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Saturday Open Thread - Higgins Edition

by the stormy present Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 01:49:23 PM EST

Why Can't the English?
from My Fair Lady

Is there anyone who doesn't get insulted in this song?


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I think the Norwegians and the Greeks come out of it OK...

Is anyone around to take offense at a little everyone-bashing?  Probably not.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 01:50:28 PM EST
I'm around, but it's too early to take offense.  I'm not that energetic yet.  Maybe after I've had some coffee.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 01:58:46 PM EST
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We can wait.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 01:59:55 PM EST
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Where the heck is everybody?  It's like laptops and wi-fi were never invented!

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 02:04:24 PM EST
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There has been a SHAMEFUL lack of live-blogging from this meetup.

We better get good updates afterward, with lots of pictures, or... <shakes fist>

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 02:10:24 PM EST
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I agree absolutely.  I don't even think good updates and photos are going to make up for it.  This'll require apologies, groveling, gifts even.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 02:18:07 PM EST
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probably someone dropped wine into a laptop

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 03:28:34 PM EST
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I'm tellin' ya, the spillproof keyboard is the way to go.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 03:33:08 PM EST
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how about this one?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 04:17:35 PM EST
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Ooooooooohhhh...

<salivates>

Gadgets.  Good.

Does it work?

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 04:26:47 PM EST
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I've heard various reports of how effective it is, probably not that effective in Sunny climes.

(dosn't stop my technology gland from salivating though)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 04:32:17 PM EST
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Well, that's what we have roofs and walls for.  To keep the sun out.  So we can use cool things.

Kinda expensive for an experiment, though.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 04:33:59 PM EST
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that's exactly the reason I havent got one (or have persuaded my employers to buy one either)

I've laso avoided one of these for the same reason

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 04:45:35 PM EST
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Oh yeah, I've seriously looked at those, but just couldn't bring myself to do it....
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 05:00:04 PM EST
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Don't make excuses for them.  I know for a FACT there are at least two laptops at that meetup.  The ONLY thing open to negotiation at this point is how many and what kinds of apologies and gifts Stormy and I will require.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 03:45:47 PM EST
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"apologies and gifts Stormy and I will require."

Ahem...  Surely you meant "poemless, Stormy and I will require."

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 03:53:37 PM EST
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Wait, I thought you were going on trial today?  Whose side am I on anyway?  I'm getting so confused...

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 04:00:52 PM EST
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You are on my side.  The coup was on those in Paris, not you.  I know you are hurt right now about the pancakes, but with time that will pass.  ;)

Besides, you and Stormy have been so good to me recently, I am on your side.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 04:06:16 PM EST
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BTW, I have to go now.  Hold down the fort.

&sorry I couldn't get the phone last night.  I was busy breaking into my own apartment....

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 04:08:04 PM EST
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I don't think there were any laptops. Perhaps a couple of PDA's.  Besides, we were far too busy drinking.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 11:42:15 AM EST
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Exactly - it is getting a bit cliquey or  - horror of horrors - claquey.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 06:11:27 PM EST
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Perhaps we are dividing into those who are prepared to flaunt their carbon footprint, and those who are not.

I mean, 1000 kilometres for a lunch! That is baaaad....

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 06:14:47 PM EST
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Higgins claims we American have not spoken English "in years."  I always take that as a high compliment because in my experience, folks who actually speak like Higgins usually say a LOT of profoundly stupid things.  Read the Economist if you don't believe me.

"Remember the I35W bridge--who needs terrorists when there are Republicans"
by techno (reply@elegant-technology.com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 11:07:43 PM EST
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... and it bites him in the ass.

Via Americablog:

I never thought I'd have to be calling out Barack Obama for race-baiting, but here we are. And he's not race-baiting whites, or Asians, or even Latinos. No, the African-American Senator from Illinois is race-baiting dark-skinned people. (A bit like me race-baiting Mediterraneans.)

I'd heard about this this morning - a memo that the Obama people were shopping around to the press - but didn't get the full story, or the full flavor of the story, until just a few minutes ago. I thought Obama was simply going after Hillary for supporting outsourcing of jobs, or for Hillary being supported by people who are in favor of outsourcing. And sure enough, the Obama memo talks a good deal about outsourcing, though in ways that do seem to skirt the line of racism or at least xenophobia (calling her "HILLARY CLINTON (D-PUNJAB)") and noting that "Hillary Clinton Accepted Almost $60,000 In Contributions From Employees Of Cisco Systems, Which Laid Off American Workers to Hire Indian 'Techies.'" (I was a bit uncomfortable with the use of the word "Indian" over and over and over again in the memo.) But I still wasn't sure that we had moved from outsourcing to racism until we hit the paragraph about all the money and support that Hillary has received from "Indian-Americans." Sure, the rest of the memo deals with how one of Hillary's top Indian-American supporters is allegedly a bit shady, and that's fair game, but the memo is about more than that. The memo is clearly trying to make the point that Hillary gets lots and lots of support from Indian-Americans, and apparently there's some kind of problem with that. I guess because their kin back home are stealing all of our good white jobs. (No word on whether they're sleeping with our women too.)

The full text of the memo is here. (I know, it's the NYDN, but they published it all, whaddya want from me?)

Needless to say, the Indian-American community is fairly disgruntled, as well should they be.  Hell, I'm pissed off about it, and I think everyone on the left should be.

From Sepia Mutiny:

So now the question is, how aware was Obama himself of the contents of this "anonymous" memo? If Obama doesn't distance himself from the memo immediately, this macaca is going to be sending his moolah to "Hillary Clinton, D-Punjab."

Aside from the utter stupidity of issuing such a transparently racist memo, what I also don't get is why being "too close to India" would be considered any kind of insult.  It's not like saying she's too close to, for example, Osama Bin Laden.  Who the fuck cares?

Honestly, when I first read about it, I assumed it might turn out to be another plant or fraud, like the whole Insight Magazine madrassa-gate thing.  But it seems to be authentically a memo from the Obama campaign, handed out to traveling reporters by his campaign staff.

Pastor Dan over at Street Prophets has been pro-Obama in the past, and he's none too happy at this point:

This is really simple: Obama talks a good game, and now he needs to come through with the walk. Fire whoever wrote this memo, and apologize to Sen. Clinton and Indian-Americans. Otherwise, he's just another phony in an expensive suit calling on the name of Jesus when it meets his needs.

So there ya have it.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 02:21:33 PM EST
Thanks for this.  I'd only read about the subject line (which was bad enough).  I really WANT to like Obama, dammit, but you're right.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 02:31:15 PM EST
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What nobody knows at this point is whether he had any knowledge of the content (let alone the tone) of the memo.  I assume he will disavow all knowledge of it, whether he actually had any or not.  The question in my mind is what he's going to say when he does that, because it's gonna have to be good.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 02:35:14 PM EST
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Someone over at Daily Kos spoke of the banality of evil in the context of Abu Ghraib.  This article by Gidoen Levy brings it into very sharp focus.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 04:37:59 PM EST
Interesting stuff.  Thanks for posting.

I just finished reading Seymour Hersh's latest at the New Yorker, also about Abu Ghraib.  At the Pentagon, it just became a series of e-mails that Rumsfeld ignored.  Banal indeed.

by zoe on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 05:23:20 PM EST
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Any nutritionists in the house?  Because I want to know, from a nutritional point of view, whether purple cabbage counts as a leafy green vegetable, even though it's not green.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 05:01:21 PM EST
Strong bet on yes, as long as green cabbage is also a green leafy vegetabe. It only has an additional color in it, but the constituents are the same.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misčres
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 06:47:55 PM EST
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Thanks!
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 07:29:39 PM EST
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Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 05:48:11 PM EST
Check out the suns...



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 06:40:31 PM EST
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"To see the atoms in a raindrop, you would have to expand the raindrop to fourteen miles wide."



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 06:46:03 PM EST
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Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 07:03:19 PM EST
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Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 07:11:14 PM EST
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I'd so love if a sci-fi movie would finally do a truly realistic simulation of a flight through a galaxy... with point-like stars, of different luminosity and density, dust clouds that block starlight proportionately, no visible rotation but visible supernovas and changing emission clouds as the movie moves with superluminal phase speed...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Jun 17th, 2007 at 05:26:45 AM EST
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Why have they left out Uranus?

About stars, I note that those real biggies aren't that big mass-wise: they are bloated red giants.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jun 17th, 2007 at 05:19:57 AM EST
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I remember I was ridiculed for posting something by Wayne Madsen.  He again ends up being right about the USA pursing bases in Lebanon.  

It seems that while the media at the behest of the administration and the neo-cons is sowing seeds of fear and hatred in us, Mr. Cheney's old company, Halliburton is busy bidding for yet another project that has its foundations in blood.  The United States is hard at work pushing for a NATO base to be built in the abandoned Kleiaat air base in Northern Lebanon, it claims, to fight al-Qaeda and other terrorists, presumably Hezbollah.  Contenders for the billion dollar project, according to the Pentagon procurement office could be Bechtel and Halliburton and other contractors currently doing projects in Iraq. It is worthwhile noting that the late Prime Minister Harari opposed the base[vi].  AIPAC is pushing for it.  Keeping Lebanon busy, will clear the way for war with Iran.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_soraya_s_070612_high_on_hate_3f.htm

by zoe on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 05:59:17 PM EST
You are quoting an unsourced claim in an op-ed. I hazard to guess that Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich's source is -- the Wayne Madsen report.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 06:31:49 PM EST
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Given that she mistransliterated the name of the airbase (which officially hasn't been called by that name in several years anyway) in exactly the same way that Madsen did, that is probably a good bet.  Also, the source she cites in the footnote (.pdf) doesn't mention a word about it.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 07:12:32 PM EST
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No, actually, she forgot to insert the source she wanted to cite for that claim. The Bolton-AIPAC link is footnote iv, what I suspect would be a link to Wayne Madsen is the missing footnote vi.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Jun 17th, 2007 at 05:14:10 AM EST
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Oh, you're right.  She's left out footnotes v and vi.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sun Jun 17th, 2007 at 06:04:21 AM EST
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On 'again', have you read my analysis of Madsen's supposed news break on CIA flight logs?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 06:33:18 PM EST
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You weren't being ridiculed, Wayne Madsen was being ridiculed.  You chose to take it personally.

My favorite Wayne Madsen genius-o-gram at the moment is his theory that the "Russian-Israeli mob-infested" Polish intelligence service actually killed Alexander Litvinenko because -- and this was his sole piece of "evidence" -- the killers used polonium, which is named after Poland.

I could not make this up if I tried.

Source.  They've archived the original report here.

Regarding this latest article:  If this lady knows so much about what's happening in Lebanon, why hasn't she figured out how to spell former Prime Minister Hariri's surname?  She seems to have confused him with the capital of Zimbabwe, although she didn't get that quite right either....

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 07:28:10 PM EST
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