Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 06:14:21 AM EST
The stormy present responds to Private:
Before I could leave my office both towers came crashing down and Arab Muslims were literally celebrating and dancing in the streets of Paterson, New Jersey when the towers collapsed.
There is no direct evidence that this actually happened. No video, no photos, not even any first-hand accounts in New Jersey newspapers, and I do think they would have been all over it if they felt on Sept. 12 that they had jubilant terrorists living in their midsts. Because pretty much everyone with olive skin was under scrutiny at that point. Never mind that poor Sikh guy who got shot.
Regarding the "dancing in the streets" all I can say is that your position that there is no evidence is blatantly false. If you wish to contact the local news stations in the New York/New Jersey area that would probably have archives of tapes.
The stormy present responds:
Look, it's not my job to support your argument for you. As I said above, you have made a thus-unsubstantiated claim, which I have challenged. It's your job to support it with evidence. I'm not going to do your homework for you.
quotes start at European Tribune: A personal reaction to 9/11
While stormy present may not wish to do private's work for him or her, I think that it is worth a look.
From the diaries - afew
If the proof is sitting in the local news stations in their archives, and not in the newspapers and not on the Internet then we have a conspiracy story here, the flip side of the US did the 9/11 bombing. I could see some editor, or even a few editors saying - lets work to keep things calm. No need to cause further problems. I just can't imagine that all editors would say the same thing - especially after it was shown somewhere.
The view that Muslims were "dancing in the streets of the US" is a dangerous view. It needs to be countered.
google 9/11 attacks "dancing in the streets"
google "world trade towers" celebrations
google Paterson dancing 9/11
Bingo. First link is about folk dancing. The second is about Muslims dancing in the street in Patterson NJ. One very small problem though - the source is European Tribune. I'm sorry. This is not reliable proof. :)
It does look like a cable company showed a video of Muslims celebrating in Paterson NJ.
In case you are not aware, after September 11, Paterson went into a week long celebration. Happy Arabs openly danced in the streets and exchanged candies. Footage of dancing Palestinians quickly disappeared from our TV-s but footage of the celebrations on the American soil never made it to the public. I wonder why.
Nonna Berina Daniel Pipes
Sorry about the poor quality of the quote, but it is the second best I could find on the Internet. The best follows.
Another painful example of the media's role in perpetuating anti-Arab and Muslim feelings is that false report that Arabs in Paterson, New Jersey were joyous and dancing after the attacks. This lie was repeated for a week, until it was pointed out that the video that was shown over and over was of a wedding in Palestine that was taken a number of years ago. The media deliberately broadcast this tape to inflame feelings against Arabs in the US, and did so until a number of American officials, among them those in Paterson, intervened, calling the showings incitement. There is no such thing as Arab joy over the terrorist attacks.
So just what type of credibility does the September 11 Digital Archive Have?
The September 11 Digital Archive was funded by a major grant from the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation and organized by the American Social History Project/Center for Media and Learning at the City University of New York Graduate Center and the Center for History and New Media at George Mason University. The September 11 Digital Archive
Unfortunately there is not much information here that can be used to try to track down which Cable Company was producing the video. It certainly seems to have sunk without much of a trace. While there is no proof, the trouble finding the source for that "week long" celebration points to an error rather than a cover up.
Snopes has some things about celebrating Muslims during 9/11:
Alleged flag desecration by Dunkin' Donuts employees
Budweiser employee allegedly witnessed Arabs celebrating 9/11 at a convenience store
A Shell service station allegedly refused to serve a US soldier
Snopes goes through a certain amount of effort to prevent selecting and quoting. I'll respect their wishes to have you read it from the source. Go to the Dunkin' Donuts debunking and read the last 4 paragraphs starting with "Beyond the myriad of "Is it true?" questions arising from such rumors lurks the larger issue of what rumors say..."
There were some celebrations. The big news was that the Palestinians were dancing in the streets.
The big news was not that Arabs in Paterson NJ were dancing.
Searching for more information I went to Wikipdedia. They have an entry under
Celebrations of the September 11, 2001 attacks.
The only celebration they note is again from Palestine. Interestingly they claim that the celebrations may have partly been staged. Who knows what the exact truth is with Wikipedia, but it is highly unlikely that they would miss Muslims celebrating in the streets of the US.
It is most unlikely that reactions from Palestine would upstage reactions from the US streets themselves.
Bluntly, it does not look like there were Muslims celebrating the attacks within the US. Perhaps private can find one or two individuals, and perhaps he can also find one or two Christians or Jews. Antiwar.com and youtube mentions Jews, and buried in the myriad of revisions on Wikipedia there are mentions of Christians.
I have found much more evidence of 5 Jews celebrating the attacks than Arabs in Paterson NJ, and I wasn't looking for celebrating Jews.
I haven't tried any hate sites yet. Ah: Some people think that Little Green footballs is a hate site. Yup, they have some stuff:
But I didn't see anything from the streets of the United States. I didn't bother checking the comments.
The next stage is to find out whether and when Islamic organisations condemned the attacks. (using Wikipedia's September 11, 2001 attacks/Muslim American reaction for a list of Islamic orginizatons)
Islamic Society of North America
U.S. MUSLIM RELIGIOUS COUNCIL ISSUES FATWA AGAINST TERRORISM. This article is undated.
Council on American-Islamic Relations the Islamic Circle, and 143 other Muslim organisations signed the Fatwa against terrorism.
Finally, does the Koran say anything that would indicate that terrorism is bad?
"Whoever kills a person [unjustly]...it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind." (Qur'an, 5:32)
Other applicable passages of the Qur'an and Sunnah were cited by the Fiqh Council of North America in their fatwa against terrorism issued on 2005-JUL-28:
- "Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong (even) if they do evil." (Al- Tirmidhi)
- "We made you to be a community of the middle way, so that (with the example of your lives) you might bear witness to the truth before all mankind." (Qur'an, 2:143)
- "Let there arise from among you a band of people who invite to righteousness, and enjoin good and forbid evil." (Qur'an, 3:104)
- "All creation is the family of God, and the person most beloved by God (is the one) who is kind and caring toward His family."
Christianity says something about malicious rumours.
Exodus 20:16 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbour.
And something about judging others.
Matthew 7:2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.