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ET in Paris 07 photos - Montmartre memories

by Ted Welch Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 08:30:21 AM EST

The ETers in Paris 07

I got to the RV at Les Abbesses late, but Len and Helen were still there and we joined the rest of the group at Bateau Lavoir. Afew was lamenting the lack of interest in the cultural history of the area in favour of keeping up the bohemian tradition and rapidly getting something alcoholic rather than artistic or historic.

Lilianne, Bob, Dasmonde, Metavision, nanne, Afew (amused rather than bitching),
Fran, Someone, Metatone, the Dear Leader (just visible behind the lamppost), Helen,  Bruno-ken.

The way up from the Bateau Lavoir - a very nice Parisian square:

Len (illuminated) enjoying fond memories of his two years in the area:

I listened as Afew gave some background of Dalida's house:


"... Her ex-husband Lucien Morisse took his own life sometime after her attempt at suicide in the wake of Tenco's death, and Haden-Guest compared her to Judy Garland, though musically she was closer to Astrud Gilberto. Dalida's later involvement marriage to a man identified as the Count of St. Germain, who turned out not to be a count and also to prefer male companionship, only added to the picture of a personal life in turmoil and seemed to make her that much more alluring to her admirers. In the midst of this, she won the Oscar Mondial du Disque (World Oscar of Recording), a French award, to be sure, for her "Gigi L'Amoroso," beating out competitors that included Frank Sinatra's "Strangers in the Night," and recorded a peace song, "Salma ya Salama," in Arabic, on the occasion of Egyptian president Sadat's peace summit with Israel. Dalida's career in the 1980s had slowed somewhat as she entered her fifties, looking at least a decade younger but no longer doing 200 engagements a year as she had in her prime.

In 1986, she returned to her native Egypt to make a film, The Sixth Day, with director Youssef Chahine, an old friend from her early career, in which she gave what the critics felt was a superb acting performance. She continued to make Paris her home, where she remained a huge concert draw during her final decade. On May 3, 1987, Dalida was found dead of an overdose of barbiturates, an apparent suicide at the age of 54.

http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Dalida:1927118193:page=biography


Jerome and Helen calculate the energy expended in the ascent of Montmartre:

"We'd like two hours of resilience-inducing conviviality please":

Metavision, Someone's partner, Crazy Horse, Someone.

Beautiful light:

Helen saw it, I took it:

Helen seeing the light - again:

"Why don't we take the train down?":

The vertiginous descent:

vertigo mmartre

Chez Pradel:

cafe pradel

inwales-gerby

InWales, nanne, Nicholas Tobin, Laurent Guerby.

Shoot-out with Colman (Fran on the right)

colman

Firenze restaurant, Saturday:

smone-helen mig

Someone, Helen, Migeru, Montserrat.

Bruno-ken: "So I grabbed this nuclear power supporter by the throat ..."

brunoken sat

My Montserrat:

Montserrat

A somewhat happier Ted than in the photos already up:

eiffel-ted

"Memories of Montmartre"

Art student in Paris

The recent ET get-together in Paris was nostalgic for me. Montmartre in particular brings back lots of memories. My first trip abroad, at 18, was hitch-hiking with a friend to Paris from London. I was a student at Camberwell School of Art at the time. We didn't have a lot of luck hitching in France, but, just as we were contemplating a cold, damp night in a field, I saw a shooting star. I'm not superstitious, but said to myself: "I wish we could get to Paris tonight." About 30 secs later a car pulled up, asked where we were going and, when we said Paris, they told us to jump in.

Les flics

A couple of hours later they dropped us off by the Seine, just across from Notre Dame. We found a piece of open ground and began to unroll our sleeping bags. A police car screeched to a halt beside us and two plainclothes police jumped out and searched us and our bags. When one discovered a pen-knife I had in my bag he got a bit excited, and said: "Qu'est que c'est - c'est pour couper la tete n'est ce pas?" (or something like that) and apparently someone had been stabbed not far away! Despite my four years of French at grammar school, I pretended not to understand: "Don't speak French, mate." I think they decided we were pretty harmless English tourists and couldn't be bothered with getting someone to translate. One said something like: "Si vous etes Francais vous etes en prison;" We  looked blankly at them and they got back in the car and, to our great relief, drove off.

It had been a long day so we slept quite well, but we were quite far apart in the morning and each complained about the other coughing noisily in the night - till we realised that some sick tramp had come and slept between us!

The next night we found a nice spot in some bushes by the Champs Elysee, but again cops arrived, in uniform this time, looked at our passports and told us that they'd let us sleep there for tonight, but we should find a cheap hotel. As poor students we didn't want to waste money on that and spent a lot of time looking for somewhere else to sleep, but couldn't find anywhere better (the grounds of the Sacre Coeur were too creepy) so we decided to risk going back to the same place. My friend sleeps more easily than I do and was soon asleep. After a while I saw the same two cops approaching, so shut my eyes and pretended to sleep. They looked in and then one said, in a resigned sort of way and with what I imagined must have been a Gallic shrug: "Oh - les Anglais" - and they wandered off.

The curious American

Being a student painter and full of the Romantic myth of the artist, I dragged my friend up to the Place du Tertre and did a little painting in the nearby Rue Rustique (with the top of the Sacre Coeur just visible at the end).

mem rue rustique w

There I had my first encounter with an American, a tubby guy with a cigar, with a group of other American tourists. As he got to me, to my amazement, he grabbed the painting, saying: "What have you got there boy? Oh, you haven't finished." Thrusting it back at speechless me, he passed on.

A better encounter was with an old English lady who lived in the house beside which I was painting and who came out when she heard us speaking English. She told us she'd lived there for about forty years, and had met her French military officer husband when he was stationed in Woolwich, in south-east London, which, by coincidence, was where I had lived for my first ten years.

La vie boheme

My painting was in the typical Camberwell, rather dreary realist style of that period. A painter who sold his stuff in Place du Tertre, suggested that I brightened up the colours and added a few people - a suggestion I scorned as selling out. In retrospect I tend to agree with him; why not give people stuff that makes them feel happy; it wasn't as if I was making any particularly profound point with my dull little painting.

We stayed on in the Place du Tertre, after the tourists had left. Some of the young Spanish guys, who drew tourists during the day, got out bottles of wine, guitars and sang. So we spent several evenings there - ah THIS was the bohemian life!

"We'll always have Paris"

Years later, as a lecturer (history and theory of the media) I returned with a girl-friend. I took her to Rue Rustique and told her about my experiences there during the first trip. It was an autumn day, leaves blew in little circles round our feet, we kissed and she said: "We'll always remember this". I still do - but she died, tragically young, years ago.

New Year sadness

Later still I went to a New Year's Eve party organised by one of my ex-students (she is French and was doing very well managing a design group in a large media company). It was in a small Montmartre restaurant, but the atmosphere was a bit awkward as she and her photographer husband (who wasn't doing so well) were in the process of splitting up. Later we all walked up to Place du Tertre and then round the corner, where there was a café with heaters and seats for a group of us - as there were this time, with the ET group - now another, happier, Montmartre memory.

ET meeting

On the way up, Len had told us about his memories of living in the area for a couple of lucky years, while Afew was a bit disappointed that most ETers weren't very interested in the history of the area - but in keeping up the tradition of many of its artists by finding somewhere to get some drinks. After several  bottles of wine, beer, etc. and some good conversation we moved on as a shower died away and helpful Helen suggested photo-opportunities to me, one of which worked out very well. Then it was time to descend the vertiginous steps and leave the top of Montmartre with more memories, and, I hope, more to come.



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Thanks for this wonderful diary Ted, and for putting in so much time. I didn't realize that you had a history in this area also.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 08:49:31 AM EST
Thanks very much. As you can see, my history there has been very sporadic; I wish I'd had at least a couple of years there like you. Last year I was in Paris from May to November, and returned to Montmartre a few times. I explored Paris more widely, but often hung out at the Trois Mailletz, a great bar, with a kind of Montmartre atmosphere, which has a very good pianist and very good opera/chanson singers. It's in Rue Galande, just across the river from Notre Dame on the Left bank. It gets tourists but also locals, some are real characters -  highly recommended. See

Trois Mailletz/Caveau Huchette

Flaneur

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 09:11:48 AM EST
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Thank you Ted for this lovely diary. Most of us will have taken home good memories of Paris and the stroll through Montmartre.

I'll add you diary to the collection of links in the Paris follow-up in the debate box.

by Fran on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 09:02:35 AM EST
Thanks Fran - we were in a Paris hotel with no net connection for a few days. Now with some of Montserrat's relatives in Normandy and able to use their computer. Nice to be connected again.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 09:27:09 AM EST
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Hey Ted, thanks! That was a lot of fun, so appreciate more photos to bring it back to life. (Hey, maybe go up to the debate box and add your link into Fran's photo links story...you know, saved for posterity!)

Also, to afew...I didn't know you were feeling disappointed about the lack of history buffs...<damn> Liliana, me and you and Len should have hung closer on the walk...I love that stuff. Next time!!

lastly, my own sweet memory from this trip: On Sunday morning, Liliana and I got up...somewhat early... and went over to the Musee D'Orsay. Then after a few hours there, we wandered across the river to the Tuilleries, where we found an outdoor bistro under the trees there. At the first bistro, the waiter couldn't be bothered, so we wandered over to another, and the waiter there was a sweetheart. He said we should wait - that it might take five minutes, but that he would find or create a table for us. Which he did, by comandeering a table that a couple wasn't using. And then we ordered, had a nice glass of wine, and just sat there there quietly enjoying the warmth of the day, surrounded by happy, friendly French families (and lots of kids). It was such a sweet moment, with my gal, and this warm good vibe. Hard to describe. We didn't want to leave...could have lingered all day...except then we had to make a mad sweaty dash to the hotel and the train station to catch our train. But wow, that bistro, the great service our waiter gave us, and the sweet vibes...the French get bad-mouth in so many ways, but I'd say they know how to do things right! It was a moment we will never forget...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 09:14:42 AM EST
Let it stand on the record that I wasn't disappointed. I don't know much really about the history of Montmartre, and, at the Bateau Lavoir, was just doing as LEP told me and trying to keep people occupied with culture etc while LEP and others caught up with us. I just wanted to get drunk, not lecture people. LEP is therefore entirely to blame and I am as usual an innocent victim.

I think In Wales and I may have met the Tuileries waiter on Saturday morning. He was wondering if we were interested in eating, and was very persuasive in an intelligent way - but we were on our way to lunch with ET...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 09:50:40 AM EST
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I thought it was very optimistic to think anyone could be interested in history and culture with so many interesting people from the internets meeting up in meat world. First time for me, meeting everyone, and I couldn't have been less interested in the surroundings with all the important talking to be done... So, let us take it as a sign of great success!
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 11:02:25 AM EST
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You're quite right. Though no one did really believe anyone was interested in history and culture...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 04:21:14 PM EST
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Great photos and a great story, Ted. Thanks!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 09:51:41 AM EST
That SOUNDS like a recommendation - where's the real one ? :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 10:32:10 AM EST
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Oops, thought I'd done it!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 11:54:17 AM EST
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Great selection of photos and I love the story, thanks for sharing it.
It's a shame I couldn't get to Paris earlier for the Montmartre walk but I did have a chance to wander through with afew on the way to the Friday dinner.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 12:45:53 PM EST
I added some of the missing names.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 03:25:38 PM EST
Bruno-Ken said he would be in town over the Christmas holidays. Melanchton suggested we all go to Lyon for a Christmas meet up. I think Paris would be more practical since several of us live here and all transportation leads here.
I had to leave early during the Saturday luncheon so I felt a little cheated and would be most happy to have another day or two of warm relations and conversation with ET'ers before next summer. So you can call this an early feeler. Anyone else interested?

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 04:55:16 PM EST
More than interested, but didn´t all roads lead to...
Madrid?

I´m glad to have enough notice because it will be hard to resist.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 06:17:16 PM EST
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Madrid in December doesn't sound so bad.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 02:16:31 AM EST
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Ohh yeah!

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 04:43:46 AM EST
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I've never been to Madrid, so I'm for that. That makes three already. Bruno-Ken, can you take a side trip?

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 07:03:34 AM EST
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But we're still thinking of spending our Xmas break in Crete or something like that...

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 07:08:33 AM EST
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There's lots of time before December.
By the way, apropos of yesterday's brief conversation; did you see Mike Stark's emotional piece on Kos pushing for support of bloggers and other progressive  auteurs of the internet? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/26/232943/250

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 07:49:24 AM EST
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At the Paris meetup Colman and I had an exchange about the apparent different in culture between American and European blogger (exemplified in the differences between Booman's and ET), specifically the approach to financial rewards and the impression that American bloggers secretly want to become pundits.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 08:11:56 AM EST
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I can't agree with that. I think American bloggers", like Kos, want  a revolution in the Democratic Party and to change things drastically from within and from a position of power (perhaps that's what you mean by "pundit.") I don't know if Kos actually wants power for himself or just want a large say.
But I don't see how financial rewards come into play. Glen Greenwald, who I feel has the finest mind on American internet, left his job as a top first amendment lawyer in New York, when he became so shocked at the shreding of the American Constitution and started his own blog on spec. As we know, it grew like wildfire and now he writes a daily column for Salon. His second book is about to come out. His outlook is totally American so I don't know if many here read him. Glen Greenwald is a true patriot and totally selfless. Surely, finances mean nothing to him. If I was his father, I would be very proud of him.
Finally we can't compare Europe and America. America is always in flux; Europe is not. That's why I like it here- I'm old and I appreciate the relative calm.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 08:41:56 AM EST
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Over to Colman ;-)

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 08:45:18 AM EST
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I've found a much greater expectation among the Americans that political blogging can/should be a career rather than civic action. It seems odd, like paying people for participating in democracy. And that's  across a fairly wide sample of bloggers. As you point out, Greenwald may not be making as much now as he was, but he's certainly making a living out of it.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 08:49:30 AM EST
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There's also an increasingly loud complaint that we can't keep doing this unless we start getting paid. So, how did people manage to make it work before?

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 08:51:01 AM EST
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I think that it's important to distinguish between the pay-me-so-I-keep-going crowd and the pay-me-to-do-something-else crowd.

If what you're aiming for is proper journalism, then in the long term somebody is going to need to be paid for a full-time commitment to doing the required leg-word - voluntary work only takes you so far. But that then makes you a traditional media outlet, more-or-less, with a business model and such things. If what you're doing is opinion/analysis stuff based on existing sources then I don't know why you'd need to be paid for it.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 08:55:18 AM EST
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Reader sponsorship is good enough, but yes, you need some sort of board of members who decide what is a fair amount to pay you for your time.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 09:18:57 AM EST
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We need leaders in the democratic experiment- and leaders have to eat as well. Even though blogs are participatory I regard the blogs I go to as information and opinion sources and I donate to all the ones I read just as I would have to pay to read the New York Times. I donate here, as well as to kos, common dreams, antiwar.com and Steve Gilliard who I miss very much.
And as Coleman says right here full time people can do better work; for me the blogs are the journalism which I prefer.
And I must say that Jerome must be very good in his work to be able to post here as much as he does.
Finally I want to apologize to Ted for hijacking his wonderful photo diary and I will excuse myself for a little while;  I'm very late for my nap.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 09:12:10 AM EST
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Jérôme is leveraging specific knowledge he already has in writing most of his stuff, as are most of us. Full-time people have the advantage of being able to do original reporting. I have little evidence that they do better opinion or analysis. Most blogging isn't original reporting, and most of us aren't all that interested in doing it.

Think-tanking is another matter.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 09:16:13 AM EST
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That nap did me a world of good. Perhaps we don't speak of the same thing. I really don't distinguish between blogs (ET, Kos, Steve Gilliard, Juan Cole,etc) and news sites (Common Dreams, antiwar.com). They're places I go to, almost every day, to get news, opinion  and analysis. At this point in time,I trust them much more than the mainstream journals. If I can participate in the discussion that's even better, and if the web sites can change things, thats much better. If they say they need money then I like to send something, to, well, pay my share. I never question what they do with the money nor do I care.
It's just my small way of saying "Fuck You" to the establishment.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 10:07:34 AM EST
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The line I'm drawing is between; opinion writing, which involves sitting at home mouthing off; primary reporting which involves making phone calls, interviews, travelling to see things for yourself; press release transcription and research work. Opinion writing doesn't need to be compensated, nor does press release transcription. Real journalism does because it's too time consuming to do as a hobby. Most of the news sites are simply writing opinions about what's in the news or other sources.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 10:15:22 AM EST
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That's where we differ. Every newspaper pays its opinion writers, probably very well. And I'm happy to pay for opinion writers if I read them every day. I know that the closing of two blogs, Billmon (voluntary) and Steve Gilliard (death) left big holes in my heart, especially Steve who I read very day for about three years.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 10:32:00 AM EST
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Maybe we're just sick of capitalism and corporate jobs. I know I am.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 07:47:40 PM EST
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Time to rescue Revenue sharing by ThatBritGuy on October 22nd, 2006
The real problem is - is it possible to build a collaborative model that not only relies on collaborative content but also includes some element of collaborative income distribution?

I've been thinking about how this might work for TBB, and it's really not a simple problem. The six options are:

  1. Run it along Kos lines, where the site owner keeps all of the money after expenses.
  2. Run it as a benevolent dictatorship, where the site owner keeps some of the money and distributes the rest to active contributors according to a subjective assessment of value and work done.
  3. Automate the distribution to make it based on rankings of some sort, or volume of contributions.
  4. Forget about any kind of income at all, and run it on a volunteer not for profit basis.
  5. Make contributions voluntary, and include some revenue directing options so that happy readers can direct cash, or perhaps just applause, to deserving contributors.
  6. Combine 3 and 5 so that there's a special 'That really was outstanding - please pay this person some of my montly subscription' rating option, and then tally up the results at the end of the month and split the spoils accordingly.


Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 10:57:31 AM EST
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To which I say: why should there be income?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 10:59:15 AM EST
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Coleman. Is there technically a way of moving this thread, say starting with my post at 1:49 into tonight's open thread? It might be more appreciated there.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 11:17:13 AM EST
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Seconded.  My half a quarter of one intercent's worth is...something Jerome mentioned a while back, to do with non-tangible items (non-resource-extracting items?) becoming a larger part of the economy--to the benefit of the planet.  It ties in with Migeru's comments (if I've understood them at all) with regard to Keynes: that you could bury money in bottles, get people to dig it up and: voila!  An economy.

So all "non resource destroying" activities, such as massage, teaching, or writing articles to the net, can create a self-supporting market, fed at the edges by (sustainable) resource producers, so the writer is paid by the musician who is paid by the farmer who is paid by the writer...that kind of thing.

Or, if our default position is: If you don't want to do it, you don't have to (which is fine for voluntary associations), then when it comes to earning money, we'll all head to the resource-extracting part of the economy.  I suppose we could say, "Anyone can give you a massage if they want"...no, I don't mean that in a sarky way, I mean something bigger: That if "we" (us progressive types) invest in what we think of as quality production, then there will be more quality production money around for us to...use as an alternative to resource depleting money..

So, in a hypothetical, I enjoy your writings to the point where I'm willing to directly pay my ten cents or euros.  However you think I write a pile of disjointed nonsense and prefer the keen wit and cool analysis of Migeru, who in turn favours the writings of That Brit Guy, who is a fan of LEP, who likes whataboutbob, who likes melo...

...and slowly an economy developeth?  There's something about not wanting to pay for things...that...I dunno...someone else can say this more clearly perhaps?

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 11:25:21 AM EST
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That is a really cool comment.
My half a quarter of one intercent's worth is...something Jerome mentioned a while back, to do with non-tangible items (non-resource-extracting items?) becoming a larger part of the economy--to the benefit of the planet.  It ties in with Migeru's comments (if I've understood them at all) with regard to Keynes: that you could bury money in bottles, get people to dig it up and: voila!  An economy.
First of all, the bottle example is straight out of Keynes, I'm just quoting. Second, I think the non-tangible part of the economy expands not for the benefit of the planet but for the benefit of employment. The benefit of the planet is a side effect, and is not being realised. However, the point stands that a steady state economy (in terms of resource use) need not be a stationary economy - the service sector in particular has infinite scope for growth and diversification regardless of resource use.


Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 11:30:48 AM EST
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For medium sized values of possible, it's not possible.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 11:43:57 AM EST
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And allow me to say at this point that Scoop is a pig to install, especially under Apache2. But it's done now, on the proper host.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 11:48:50 AM EST
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Now, that is a comment that needs to be in the open thread.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 11:50:42 AM EST
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Meh, still have to apply the customisations, which is another chunk of work. I should move es.et over as well, if you're going down that route rather than one of your other schemes.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 11:51:56 AM EST
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That's been frozen since I discovered there are other parts of the interface that are broken because the stupid code uses the display value of a button (in English) as the value that gets passed to the server in HTML forms.

I wish I had time for "schemes".

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 12:06:45 PM EST
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Because the site costs money to run.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 11:20:39 AM EST
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But that's a very different issue, and order of magnitude, from compensation for work done.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 11:44:59 AM EST
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Hopefully this does incarnate into another thread...sehr interessant! I was ruminating the other day about the idea of our creating our own online college, which would pay for ET and even put coin into people's pockets. The model already exists, so we would just have to research how it is done...and transmogrify it for our own needs.

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 03:22:09 PM EST
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There are many options.

To the 'Why should there be income?' question, one answer is 'Why shouldn't there be?'

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jun 28th, 2007 at 12:08:28 PM EST
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You have great stories to tell, Ted, and I keep looking at the pictures over and over to bring back the good times.

It´s a "trip" to go back to old places and superimpose new memories on them, isn´t it?

Say hello to Montserrat!

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 06:14:46 PM EST
It looks like great fun!

Next time I'll be there, if jet fuel stays cheap.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 03:07:36 AM EST


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