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Macroeconomic notes on resource scarcity

by Luis de Sousa Tue Jul 31st, 2007 at 05:45:14 AM EST

When considering the economic effects of the Hubbert Peak on the production of fossil fuels, either be it Petroleum, Natural Gas or Coal, one easily understands that the first effect will be higher prices. And were from that? How will the Economy respond to sustained (or increasingly) high energy prices?

This entry is a collection of observations on the possible economic outcomes of resources' scarcity, and what current events might indicate on that matter.
 




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Since words like Trillion or Billion mean different things in different places, in this text money is quantified with the prefixes of the International System, where Tera (T) signifies a factor of 1012.

Growing

A simple way to look at this subject is to use the expressions Hubbert himself used when addressing the US Congress on the subject in 1974. Two exponential functions can describe the way money and resources' supply grows:


If M<sub>0</sub> be a national monetary stock at an initial time, and i the mean value of the interest rate[1], then at a later time t the sum of money M<sub>0</sub> will have grown exponentially to a larger sum M given by the equation

 

M=M<sub>0</sub>eit. (6)

Next consider the rate of physical production. Let Q be the generalized output of the industrial system at the initial time, and a be the rate of industrial growth. The industrial production at time t will then be given by

 

Q=Q<sub>0</sub>eat. (7)

At any given time the ratio of a sum of money to what the money will buy is a generalized price level, P. Hence

 

P=M/Q (8)

which, when substituted into equations 6 and 7, gives

 

P=M/Q = M<sub>0</sub>eit / Q<sub>0</sub>eat = (M<sub>0</sub>/Q<sub>0</sub>) e (a-i)t

However, M<sub>0</sub>/Q<sub>0</sub> = P<sub>0</sub>, the price level at the initial time. Therefore,

 


P = P<sub>0</sub>e (a-i)t

[1] Although Hubbert calls i the mean interest rate, this is actually the money supply growth rate, which is usually different.

To hold from these is that money and industrial output both grow exponentially at the rates of i and a respectively. And this simple model can help understand the way prices behave and the economy evolves with the relation between these constants:


  • i = a - money and industrial output grow at the same pace, prices remain unchanged;

  • i > a - money grows faster than industrial output, creating price Inflation;

  • i < a - money grows slower than industrial output, creating price Deflation;

The traditional concept of healthy economy is one where both i and a are positive and close to each other. Currency supply is controlled by central banks in order to keep close to this equilibrium. Both Inflation and Deflation are usually symptoms of economic failure and have negative social impacts, as described below.

In the Capitalist economic model, that is now common to most of the world, money is created as debt. Individuals borrow a sum of money today that they will repay plus interests in the future; the initial amount of money comes to existence only when inserted in the individual's bank account. Such is possible for economic growth provides extra wealth in the ensuing years to pay the debt plus interest. In the Capitalist model, low Inflation can actually be beneficial for it helps debtors complying with their interest obligations in face of industrial slowdown.

Resource Limits

If resource limits are reached and the industrial output slows or retracts, economic growth slows down or stops and in turn money supply should be reduced accordingly. But many individuals are in debt, relying on future growth; if i is immediately reduced after the reduction in a, debt default will set in, along all its ominous consequences. Using Hubbert's expressions, Inflation should be expected as the primary economic outcome of resource scarcity in a capitalist debt based system.

Interestingly there is today a set of data that points towards that same conclusion. Figure 1 shows a graph were the price of a Brent crude oil barrel is plotted for several paper currencies as percentage of their January 2004 value. Adding to that is the same price evolution but in gold terms; gold is also a currency but theoretically not manipulated by central banks and a direct function of industrial output (less the energy available, less the gold mined).
 




Figure 1 - Paper currencies and gold against Brent crude oil as percentage of January 2004. Source: Bank of Portugal. Click to enlarge.

This time series starts before the, as of now still undeniable, OPEC production ceiling hit in the summer of 2004. In this first months all currencies observed evolved closely to each other. The price of crude continued growing and by the beginning of 2005 the currencies started to take different paths. In August 2005 something beside the Hurricanes in the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico happened: gold started decoupling from paper currencies. From then on gold took a clear downward trend, presently standing at 150% of its value in oil in 2004; at the same time paper currencies kept their weakness against crude oil. Today paper currencies are spreading among themselves with the Yen devaluating clearly more than the others and during the last year with the US dollar and Swiss Franc decoupling from the Euro and the Sterling.

Clearly the paper currency supply has grown faster than the resources drawn to the economy. Also of note is the fact that paper currencies, although varying more freely among them, are still somewhat close to each other; apart from the Yen, no other currency devaluated significantly against the others.

This decoupling of currency supply from resource supply can also be perceived by observing the path taken by non-currency metals against Brent:
 




Figure 2 - Brent crude oil prices against several industrial use metals as percentage of January 2004. Source: KitcoMetals.com. Click to enlarge.

A different scenario, although varying between the summer of 2005 and the summer of 2006, the value of these metals against oil has been below that of January 2004. It is indeed the currency supply that is inflating prices, during 2005 and 2006 the spot prices of these commodities shot up to accommodate this imbalance. During 2006 the prices of food commodities also increased by extremely fast, although that can be also attributed to extreme weather conditions during the year.

From this set of data it can be concluded that during the past two years the rate of growth of resources drawn to the economy eased off, while the money supply kept growing, hence the doubling of energy and commodities prices.

Resource scarcity will inevitably translate into lowering living standards, and theoretically it is the way that central banks adjust money supply that will define how the Economy will accommodate that: through Inflation or Deflation. Theoretically.

Economic Disruptions

As Samuelson and Nordhaus wrote in their educational textbook Economics, that Employment is the most important concern of this science:


Of all the macroeconomic indicators, employment and unemployment are those more directly felt by individuals. Everyone wants to find well paid jobs without having to search much for it or wait for a long time, and want job security and good benefits when they are employed.
[...]
The unemployment rate usually reflects the state of the economic cycle: when the product diminishes, the demand for work reduces and the unemployment rate grows.

Inflation is probably the best form to absorb the effects of resource scarcity, both socially and economically. Individuals maintain their jobs and the social framework is kept mostly intact. Wages become less and less valuable, food and clothing grow their weight on the family budget to the expense of traveling and diversion. The most important factor of social pressure on an inflationary setting is the default on mortgages; slowly families will loose their ability to afford a house. If the rate of inflation is not too high families can plan to move to smaller homes or simply quit ownership and shift to renting - it's not a pleasant move, but with job security behind is not the worst of scenarios.

On the other hand the inflation rate can get out of hand and move to hyperinflation, where prices can double in a matter of months. Paper money loses any value in such case, long term planning becomes impossible and most individuals struggle. Such periods happened in the past, notably in Brasil during the 1980s. Some stories remained from that time, like bread prices going up 30 times from the bakery to the grocery store and bus tickets being paid with chewing gum and hair pins. During hyperinflation periods social welfare deteriorates rapidly and the middle class tends to disappear.

Deflation poses different challenges. Falling prices are synonym of retracting demand with business and enterprises failing, throwing its employees to unemployment. If with Inflation the monthly budget gets tighter and tighter, on a deflationary period it simply disappears for some individuals. Non-basic goods and services take the first hits, but this time companies collapse and some economic activity sectors can totally disappear; food, clothing, and repair/recycling services are usually the last to suffer, in some cases they can even benefit at the local level.

Unemployment grows fast during a price contraction period and can create a depression spiral. More people without work retract demand even further creating more unemployment in its turn. The social pressure is immense; individuals can go from a comfortable life to begging in a short period of time, loosing all they had in the process - what they had, was dependent on their debts. Apart from the social elites, the rest of the society is severely shaken up and the power hierarchy erodes. During these kind of periods some individuals recur to desperate measures.

The Petrodollar

Before deciding between Inflation ar Deflation there's an important piece of the puzzle left to address: the Petrodollar and foreign currency reserves.

The Petrodollar can be defined as US currency hold by foreign countries with the purpose of buying oil. After the collapse of the Bretton Woods system it became the de facto pan-currency, for oil exporting countries demanded this currency for trade. This created an extra demand for the dollar putting the US, as the printer of the pan-currency, in a very favourable position. The Wikipedia summarizes it in this way:


Take the following example: Japan needs to import oil for domestic use. To do so it must first acquire dollars, as the dollar is the main currency in which oil is traded. To acquire these dollars, Japan must sell goods and services to the U.S. economy. The Japanese build a Honda to sell to the U.S. The U.S. federal reserve prints a certain amount of dollars and gives these to the Japanese in exchange for the Honda. The Japanese buy oil from Saudi Arabia using these dollars. The Saudis take the dollars and reinvest them in the Federal Reserve Bank of the U.S., and from then on they will only be used as a reserve currency.

Either way the Petrodollar ended up as the preferred reserve currency kept by Central Banks, substituting, above all, gold. To face an emergency the Petrodollar was the perfect currency, everyone needs oil and has to pay with dollars for it, pilling up the greenback seemed an intelligent thing to do. The problem is that contrary to what happened during the Bretton Woods system, when the dollar (and other currencies) where tied up to a fixed amount of gold, today there's no link between paper currency and gold. Today a dollar corresponds to about 2.4 liters of crude oil, but tomorrow it can be worth more or less than that - there's no guarantee of the amount of oil a dollar can yield in the future.

This Petrodollar system, without a tie between paper value and physical value, brought another problem, if the internal currency of a country starts to get too valuable against the dollar, internal prices also become over-valued. Without check this situation can evolve internally to Deflation, something to avoid at all costs, as seen above. To keep internal currencies stable, central bankers make sure that the dollar doesn't devaluate, acquiring more petrodollars or growing their internal currencies supply.

The Petrodollar system worked quite well during twenty years of oil trade growth between the early 1980s and the early 2000s. But now this system seems to be faltering.

Foreign Currency Reserves

There are today three main sources of pressure pointed as weakening the Petrodollar:


  • The lack of spare production capacity by the OPEC - this means that if someone has oil to sell and demands chewing gum or hair pins in exchange, they'll get it, whereas in the past the traditional oil for dollars exporters would join to get that someone out of business.

  • The US twin deficits - Since 2000 two deficits have been opening in the US: the Budget deficit created by the tax policy and the Trade deficit consequence of the country's growing dependence on energy imports.

  • The emergence of an alternative pan-currency, the Euro - although no more than just another paper currency, the euro doubled its value against the dollar in 10 years, making it more attractive to central bankers.

The first two issues are outside the control of foreign central bankers, whereas the third is something of an answer against the weakening Petrodollar. But above all what is disrupting the Petrodollar is the lack of a formal tie with a physical value: the amount of oil available to trade cannot grow like it did in the past, thus the Petrodollar weakens. This weakness compels foreign central bankers to acquire more Petrodollars to avoid over-valuation of their internal currencies:

 




Figure 3 - World foreign currency reserves in Tera US $. Source: COFER. Click to enlarge.

Up to 2002 the amount of foreign currency reserves kept growing mildly, going over 10% only in 1996. In 2002 it grew by 17%, in 2003 by 26%, in 2004 by 24%, in 2005 it slowed down to 11% just to go back to 20% in 2006. In less than 48 months the amount of foreign currency reserves doubled, from 2.5 T$ to 5 T$.

How much is 5 T$? Since its primary function is to buy oil in international trade the best way to assess the real amount of these reserves is to convert it to oil barrels: at 70 $/b 5 T$ convert close to 72 Gb.  In round numbers 14.5 Gb of oil were traded internationally in 2006, meaning that current foreign currency reserves represent about 5 years of international oil trade.

At current growth rates the amount of foreign currency hold by central banks will reach 6 T$ still in 2007 and go over 10 T$ before the end of 2010. At the same time the amount of oil flowing to international markets will not grow as it did in the past and will likely start to decline.

Playing Games

The setting is clear: a growing currency supply faces a slowing (or declining) energy supply. A growing number of currency units will be needed to acquire the same number of energy units. The Petrodollar has to devaluate (the price of energy will have to inflate). Central bankers might not be aware of the oil/energy supply constraints the world faces but they have other evidence of the impending Petrodollar devaluation.

At the turn of the century the tax policy pursued in the US was slowing economic growth. To foster the economy, currency supply rates were brought to exceptionally low ciphers; as long as demand for Petrodollars kept strong that would work. By the mid of 2004 OPEC's pedal hit the metal, the US economy faced increasingly higher energy prices and a breathtaking Trade deficit. There were two options, keep the strong money supply and take the inflationary pressure or shorten the money supply and take the economic slowdown (the house bubble was a special concern). The latter option was taken.

After a succession of rate hikes up to 6% the economic slow down is here and the house bubble started to burst. But at the same time record energy prices are being registered, as so decade lows of the dollar against other currencies. These are very clear signs that economic hardship is on the horizon for the US, and that holding Petrodollars is not a good strategy anymore.

Even in the face of these evidences of a long term decline of the dollar's value, a sudden dump of petrodollars in the market is not to be expected. To understand why an interesting tool can be used: John Nash's Game Theory.

Before the current downward pressures set in, it was clear that holding dollars as reserve currency was beneficial; dumping those reserves could hurt internal economies. Taking for instance a game with two central bankers, both with the options of holding or selling dollar reserves, having as simple outcomes loosing or winning - getting better or worse:

 


Table 1 - A game with two bankers and a strong dollar. A Nash Equilibrium is achieved with both bankers holding reserves.








                     

HoldSell
HoldWin, WinLoose, Win
Sell Win, LooseLoose, Loose

Today the returns have changed, with a week dollar, holding reserves of that currency means a long term negative impact. The same game for the current days:

 


Table 2 - A game with two bankers and a weak dollar. A Nash Equilibrium is achieved again with both bankers holding reserves.










HoldSell
HoldLoose, LooseLooseAll, Win
SellWin, LooseAllLooseMore, LooseMore

A Nash Equilibrium is possible again, for as long as both bankers hold their reserves the dollar keeps some value and the losses are limited. If someone starts dumping reserves, the dollar looses its value quickly and both loose. Moreover, if a serious sell off occurs, the current wealth represented by those dollars can simply go up in smoke, something all will try to avoid.

But obviously there are more than two central bankers playing this game and its outcome is not as simple. Some countries may slowly dump small sums in exchange for imported goods, or they could just stop accepting dollars in exchange for their exports. Figure 4 shows the composition of current foreign currency reserves:

 




Figure 4 - Share of foreign currency used as reserves. Source: COFER. Click to enlarge.

Although the amount of dollars hold abroad the US continues to grow, it has been growing slower than other currencies. Despite a shy recovery in the end of 2005, there's a clear downward trend since 2001. The dollar position aggravated quite fast during 2006, from 66.5% on the first quarter to 64.7% in the last.

Stagflation

From the information gathered above it is clear that the first economic impact felt in face of resource constraints is Inflation - money supply continues to grow, fast decoupling from resource availability. As mentioned above, Inflation increases the weight of basic needs (food, clothing, health) on monthly wages, overall purchasing power goes down. This creates a downward pressure on demand for non essential goods, e.g. holidays in the Caribbean.

Eventually the erosion of purchasing power will bring deflationary pressures on the economy, with some sectors going into recession. But at the same time prices for goods directly tied with energy or natural resources will keep inflating. In the long term both inflationary and deflationary pressures will set in, perhaps in different sectors of the economy, perhaps in succeeding periods of time.

This awful economic setting got the interesting name of Stagflation in the 1960s. Awful because it means that there's no fiscal or monetary policy to manage a way out of it. Any strategy will imply a compromise, e.g. more jobs with less purchasing power or more purchasing power with unemployment. But that's exactly what should be expected of resource constraints, there's no easy strategy, the only way out to bring growth back is to draw more resources into the economy.

Historically Stagflation was felt in the West throughout the 1970s and early 1980s, as a consequence of the Peak in US oil production and the embargo imposed by OPEC in 1973. In the early 1980s the outburst of the Iran-Iraq war created an unprecedented energy supply collapse and many countries went into Deflation (Portugal was one - maybe a story for another time). The North Sea and Saudi Arabia would eventually put an end to the crisis (but ended up exporting it to the USSR).

It is interesting to note that on his educational textbook Understanding the Economy, from 1984, Andrew Dunnett wrote:


Summing up, the inflation of the 1970s is, partially, result of resources' scarcity. The frightening scenario of resources fight, at the international level, forecast by the models of catastrophe, may have started already. Such signals the end of an era of fast and continuous growth of living standards that seemed to be the natural way of things since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution.

Final notes

Today Stagflation seems the most likely long term outcome of the Hubbert Peak of World conventional oil production and of natural gas in Europe and North America. These resources have no replacement at hand and the Economy is already feeling their lack with commodity prices growing steadily during the past two years.

A sudden collapse of energy/resource supply imposed by the Hubbert Peak, immediately yielding a Deflationary crisis like that of the early 1980s, is not to be expected. Deflation is a likely outcome only in the wake of some extreme event (large scale natural disaster, war, etc). The crisis will evolve slowly with results more similar to those endured during the 1970s. But this time Stagflation could be much harder to solve or soften, given the amount of foreign currency reserves kept by central bankers, which could seriously reduce the effects of their monetary policies.


Luís de Sousa
July 2007

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Good diary.

Re petrodollars.

Firstly. Oil is a relatively small part of global trade.

Secondly

Japan needs to import oil for domestic use. To do so it must first acquire dollars, as the dollar is the main currency in which oil is traded. To acquire these dollars, Japan must sell goods and services to the U.S. economy.

I can't understand why anyone should say this.

The Japanese can sell their goods and services to whoever they wish, and then exchange THAT currency for dollars on the FX market.

However, US global hegemony has allowed the US to act as the Great Consumer for as long as people accepted dollars as payment ie a "dollar hegemony".

The key point is not what currency oil is priced in, but what happens to the proceeds.

And IMHO the age of the dollar is now over.

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by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 05:57:53 AM EST
Hi Chris, thanks for the comment.
Firstly. Oil is a relatively small part of global trade.

Can you put that in numbers? I don't see how you can dwarf 5T$.

The Japanese can sell their goods and services to whoever they wish, and then exchange THAT currency for dollars on the FX market.

I don't follow your reasoning. They'll have to acquire dollars anyway, if the oil exporter does not accept the yen.

The key point is not what currency oil is priced in, but what happens to the proceeds.

You might be right, but by investing those proceeds in US assets the oil exporters are perpetuating the concept of dollar as a pan-currency, hence creating the extra demand.


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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 08:57:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Can you put that in numbers? I don't see how you can dwarf 5T$.

Global GDP is $60T, isn't it?

Say you want to buy a barrel of oil and you have Y10K but no $. You call your friendly investment bank and buy $80 from them with your yen, and use that to buy the barrel. You don't have to have any dollar reserves.

The size and liquidity of the FOREX market is stunning. According to wikipedia, turnover is over $600B daily. It takes on the order of 2 weeks to move $5T.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 09:16:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hum, I don't think you can compare GDP directly with international trade. You don't sell everything you produce overseas.

I also don't think that the FOREX can give you an accurate account of the value of goods traded internationally - it's mostly currency swap.

Take the US case for instance:

Imports total 190 G$/month

Oil imports stand at 30 G$/month

So oil accounts for about 1/6 of their imports. Maybe not the best example, but you get the idea.

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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 10:22:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Interestingly enough, Cia world factbook has a chapter for "world" stating:

GDP (purchasing power parity):
GWP (gross world product): $65.95 trillion (2006 est.)

GDP (official exchange rate):
$46.76 trillion (2006 est.)

Exports:
$12.44 trillion f.o.b. (2004 est.)

Imports:
$12.09 trillion f.o.b. (2004 est.)

As to wheter or not these numbers are comparable with those previously provided in this thread, I am not sure. Definitions within economics seams to be a tricky matter.

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 10:40:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Exports:
$12.44 trillion f.o.b. (2004 est.)

Imports:
$12.09 trillion f.o.b. (2004 est.)

That's a well-known disparity in the accounting. Can you believe it?

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 10:42:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Seriously, since so few tax exports, and so many tax imports, its almost axiomatic that more effort will go into hiding imports from the authorities than into hiding exports.


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by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 03:25:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Seems we annually export goods valued at $350 billion to space aliens.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 06:08:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, global GDP is the sum of international trade and intranational trade. I say global GDP is 12 times the size of the oil market, and you point out that for the US oil imports are 1/6 of total imports. US GDP is about $10T

Oil imports $360B/month
Imports $190B/month
GDP $417B/month

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 10:41:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Round numbers, the oil traded in 2004 amounted to 0.5 T$.

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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 11:04:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Giving the US figures don't help too much.

We know that the US pays $ for oil, that is her currency of course. The point at issue relates to other peoples' use of the "petrodollar", and I believe that many commentators - not to mention many conspiracy theorists - are labouring under a misapprehension as to the importance of the $ for denominating oil prices.

That having been said, an unHoly Trinity of:

(a) US massive over consumption of oil;
(b) continuing growth of non-US global oil demand; and
(c) the fact of a maximum level of global oil production (whether it is called a "peak" or a "plateau" is semantics);

will IMHO lead to a breakdown (slow motion crash if we are lucky), in the current global financial system and arising out of a discontinuity in the Dollar/Oil relationship. Within 2 to 5 years, I believe.

I don't think that the charts you have kindly supplied are inconsistent with that thesis.

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by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 10:49:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't think that the charts you have kindly supplied are inconsistent with that thesis.

They couldn't, because that thesis is the whole point.

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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 11:09:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You clearly don't read The Economist.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 11:09:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Nice to know that my intuition is occasionally supported by something more substantial then!

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by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 11:23:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Luis, do you know where one could find a Leontieff model for the global economy?

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 09:25:14 AM EST
If there's someone out there working along those lines it has to be Charlie Hall.

Unfortunately I haven't read anything solid on the Economy from him (shame on me) but he has been looking into the Economy as an open system interacting with Nature, drawing resources (inputs) and producing waste (outputs).

Just by incident he has a fresh new book on the subject.

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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 10:29:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Get a bit of insight on his work here (20M ppt).

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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 10:54:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Icky!!!

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 11:10:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Would you mind producing a chart where the vertical axis spans the entire 0% to 100% range? How about a line chart of Marchetti curves for the shares of global currency reserves?

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 09:29:38 AM EST
You look like a machine gun today :). It's a great idea, but I really lack the time right now.

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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 09:45:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Heh, I just like to post a separate comment (be it to a diary or to another comment) for each issue. I have noticed when I write a comment addressing more than one separate point, the odds are the responses will focus on the issue I considered tangential.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 09:46:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Here are Marchetti curves for the "market share" of the USD and the Euro in global currency reserves:

Maybe the Euro will take over from the Dollar in 10 years' time?

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2007 at 04:35:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Is that exponential growth? Can we have a log-lin plot?

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 09:30:42 AM EST
The rate varies strongly, but I think an underlying exponential trend is there. If I find the time I'll do that graph.

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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 09:43:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You could also send me the csv of the COFER data, and I'll post the charts in the comments here.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 09:44:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The total currency reserves seems to have two exponential trends with different slopes before 2000 and after 2001.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 1st, 2007 at 04:32:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What happened in May 2005?

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 09:32:40 AM EST
A strong dip in oil prices.

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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 09:41:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Why/How would that cause gold and the dollar to decouple from the other major world currencies?

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 09:43:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
My reading is that they decoupled more clearly in August and not in May. The dollar took an ease from the secular downward trend by then, helped by the last wave of rate hikes.

As for the gold I really don't have an explanation. Somehow investors understood by then that gold was on a secular bull without end in sight.

Some people claim that gold is still manipulated by central banks that avoid strong appreciations by dumping reserves on the market. I can't say how true these concerns are, but gold surely evolves in a different way than other metals. The fact that gold has depreciated so much in latest months (against crude oil) is by itself a riddle to me.

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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 10:08:43 AM EST
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My reading is that they decoupled more clearly in August and not in May.

I said May because amazingly all the curves converge to a point (to within visual accuracy) at that time. Somehow the indices get pinched and then they start diverging.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 10:17:10 AM EST
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... toward acting as if money supply is exogenous to the economy, so that resource scarcity meets with (externally dictated) growth in money supply to determine inflation.

But since the large majority of money supply is created endogenously, it is a lot more plausible to view this in terms of resource scarcity sparking inflation which leads to the creation of additional money.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 03:30:08 PM EST
Does it matter which way around this is? The effect is the same, and it's equally hard to think of an amelioration strategy whichever end of the telescope you look through.

Concentrating purely on oil sales also misses consequential costs which will accumulate throughout the system, as everyone attempts to add their mark-up to oil-related products.

Since almost everyone relies on oil to some extent, this is going to add significantly to the misery, and the proportion of Gross Planetary Product which is influenced by oil prices will be much higher than that accounted for by direct sales.

I'd suggest we're seeing this already in the form of 'middle class' inflation, where food prices are rising because of transport costs and climate change.

This won't be mentioned in the official inflation figures because they are - effectively - dishonest.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 05:46:20 PM EST
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Does it matter which way around this is? The effect is the same ...

Of course it matters. Certainly the effect on the economy is the same whether we report what is occurring in the economy, or resort to myths such as government dictating the total size of the money supply ... even if everyone believes that money is exogenous, it does not magically make the money supply exogenous.

However, if we rely on these modern myths, that also means that our vision of possible responses is also trapped in myth.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Jul 30th, 2007 at 07:43:32 PM EST
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Since almost everyone relies on oil to some extent, this is going to add significantly to the misery, and the proportion of Gross Planetary Product which is influenced by oil prices will be much higher than that accounted for by direct sales.
That is why I think models (and data) on the interactions between sectors are very important. Just the size of the oil sector is not a good enough indicator.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2007 at 07:01:27 AM EST
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Inflation is promoted as the "least-bad" option available for dwindling resource.  It does have a downside, not mentioned here.

The historian, David Hackett Fischer, has written a book, The Great Wave, in which he presents a measured 700 year correlation of crime and the rate of inflation.  We can see it in recent US history.  The Great Depression, deflation and low crime.  The 80, prosperity, inflation and high crime.  Even now, as we can see an uptick in inflation being matched by an uptick in crime.

Neither Fischer or anyone else has explained this correlation.

by interguru (jhd -at- interguru -dot- com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2007 at 11:33:23 AM EST
That has to be the most intriguing first comment ever.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2007 at 11:42:02 AM EST
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Welcome to ET.
I avoided plunging into those social side-effects because they are extremely painful.

During inflation times people go into crime to obtain things otherwise they wouldn't. From small steals to organized crime, all becomes attractive.

But during deflationary times things can get even worse. As I wrote, individuals can go from a comfortable life to begging in a very short period of time - desperate measures are taken. You wouldn't know, but a lot of people commit suicide under these circumstances.

Another story that survived here from the 1980s is related to this. It is said that on a coastal town in 1982 seven family headmen terminated their lives in a single afternoon.

Naturally crime leads also to violence and death. This is all too painful for me to address objectively, but from my experience the mild-inflation days were not as difficult as the depression times.


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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Wed Aug 1st, 2007 at 04:07:20 AM EST
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