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Updated: Petition against a Tony Blair presidency of the European Union

by Melanchthon Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 08:25:25 AM EST

I think we all share the same opinion: the nomination of Tony Blair as president of the European Union would be a disaster for Europe as well as for the rest of the world. We have mentioned the idea of a Europe-wide petition against it. You will find hereunder the text I've drafted. It is written in French, as I had not enough time to write in English.

First, I propose that you help me to translate it into proper English, and then we should discuss its content and presentation.

The second step will be to translate it into as many languages as possible (German, Spanish and Italian at least). Could you please tell us in which language you propose to translate it?

The third step will be to find a site to host it and to which we can link for people to sign the petition. Should we host it on ET? Should we use ipetitions?  Or la petition?

The fourth step will be to define a strategy for its dissemination: whom do we target? Through which channels do we reach them? Should we publish it on friendly sites, on PESmanifesto? Should we send it to organisations (NGOs, Trade unions, political parties)? Do we use e-mailing?

[Update]

Following the debate and several useful contributions, we have drafted what looks like a good text (although you can still make remarks).

Taking the new English version as the original, could you adapt the German (Turambar?) and Spanish (Migeru?) versions using the quotations of the treaty provided by someone?

Nanne will provide a Dutch version and one of his friends could translate it into Polish. We’re still looking for somebody willing to translate it into Italian.

You will find the New English version after the fold and the new French version below:


Update [2008-2-3 9:20:36 by DoDo]: Most current English draft version, incorporating changes suggested by Migeru, afew and DoDo in the comments:

Update [2008-2-4 00:41 by Melanchthon] There is now a new diary: Phase 2: Petition against a Tony Blair presidency

Petition against the nomination of Tony Blair as President of the European Council

We, European citizens of all origins and of all political persuasions, wish to express our total opposition to the nomination of Tony Blair to the Presidency of the European Council.

The Treaty of Lisbon provides for the new post of President of the European Council, to be elected by the Council for a mandate, renewable once only, of two and a half years. Under the terms of the Treaty: "The President of the European Council shall chair it and drive forward its work" and "shall ensure the preparation and continuity of the work of the European Council". Further, "The President of the European Council shall, at his level and in that capacity, ensure the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy"¹.

The future President of the Council will therefore have a key role in determining the policies of the Union and its relations with the rest of the world. This first Council Presidency will also have a major symbolic weight for both citizens of the European Union and for the image of the Union in the rest of the world. In this perspective, we believe it is essential that the first president embodies the spirit and values of the European project.

For some time now, increasingly insistent news reports have made evident a wish, in some quarters, to see Tony Blair appointed the first President of the European Council. This appointment, were it to take place, would be in total contradiction with the values professed by the European project.

In violation of international law, Tony Blair committed his country to a war in Iraq that a large majority of European citizens opposed. This war has claimed hundreds of thousands of victims and displaced millions of refugees. It has been a major factor in today's profound destabilisation of the Middle East, and has weakened rather than strengthened world security. In order to lead his country into war, Mr Blair made systematic use of fabricated evidence and the manipulation of information. His role in the Iraq war would weigh heavily on the image of the Union in the world, should he in fact be named its president.

The steps taken by Tony Blair's government, and his complicity with the Bush administration in the illegal programme of "extraordinary renditions", have led to an unprecedented decline in civil liberties. This is in contradiction with the terms of the European Convention of Human Rights, which is an integral part of the treaty.

The European Charter of Fundamental Rights formalizes the founding values of the European project and is one of the pillars of the new treaty. Tony Blair fought its inclusion in the Treaty of Lisbon, and eventually managed to secure an exemption for the UK.

Rather than move European integration forward, the former British Prime Minister set a series of so-called red lines during the Lisbon negotiations², with the intent of blocking any progress in social issues and tax harmonisation, as well as common defence and foreign policy.

Furthermore, it seems unthinkable that the first President of the European Council should be the former head of a government that kept its country out of two key elements of the construction of Europe: the Schengen area of free movement of people and the Euro zone.

At a time when one of the priorities of the European institutions is to reconnect with its citizens, we believe it is essential that all of the four top dignitaries, the Presidents of the Commission, Council and Parliament, and the High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy, should be people with whom a majority of citizens can identify, rather than ones rejected by a majority³. Therefore, we declare our total opposition to this nomination.


  1. Treaty of Lisbon, Article 16, point 6 (2007/C 306/18)
  2. Blair sets out EU treaty demands, BBC, June 2007
  3. Table 6 in FT/Harris poll, June 2007

New English version (thanks to someone, afew, DoDo and Migerusomeone):

Petition against the nomination of Tony Blair as President of the European Union.

We, European citizens of all origins and of all political persuasions wish to express our total opposition to the nomination of Tony Blair to the presidency of the European Union.

The Treaty of Lisbon provides for the new post of President of the Council of the European Union, to be elected by the Council for a mandate, renewable once only, of two and a half years. Under the terms of the treaty: "The President shall ensure the preparation and continuity of the work of the European Council" and "The President shall chair it and drive forward its work". Further, "The President of the European Council shall, at his level and in that capacity, ensure the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy."

The future president will therefore have a key role in determining the policies of the Union and its relations with the rest of the world. This first presidency will also have a major symbolic weight for both citizens of the European Union and for the image of the Union in the rest of the world. In this perspective, we believe it is essential that the first president embodies the spirit and values of the European project.

For some time now, increasingly insistent rumours have instanced a wish, in some quarters, to see Tony Blair appointed the first president of the European Union. This appointment, were it to take place, would be in total contradiction with the values professed by the European project.

In violation of international law, Tony Blair committed his country to a war in Iraq that a large majority of European citizens opposed. This war has claimed hundreds of thousands of victims and turned millions into refugees. It contributed to destabilising deeply the Middle East, and eroded world security. In order to lead his country into war, he made systematic use of lies and the manipulation of information. His role in the Iraq war would weigh heavily on the image of the Union in the world should he in fact be named its president.

The steps taken by Tony Blair's government, and his complicity with the Bush administration in the illegal programme of "extraordinary renditions", have led to an unprecedented decline in civil liberties. This is in contradiction with the terms of the European Convention of Human Rights which is an integral part of the treaty.

The European Charter of Fundamental Rights formalizes the founding values of the European project and is one of the pillars of the new treaty. Tony Blair fought its inclusion in the Treaty of Lisbon, and eventually managed to secure an exemption for the UK.

Rather than move European integration forward, the former British Prime Minister set a series of so-called red lines during the Lisbon negotiations, with the intent of blocking any progress in social issues and tax as well as common defence and foreign policy.

Furthermore, it seems unthinkable that the first president of the European Union should be the former head of a government that kept its country out of two key elements of the construction of Europe: the Schengen area of free movement of people and the Euro zone.

At a time when one of the priorities of the European institutions is to reconnect with its citizens, we believe it is essential that its president should be a person with which a majority of citizens can identify. Therefore, we declare our total opposition to this nomination.

New French version:

Pétition contre la nomination de Tony Blair comme Président de l’Union Européenne.

Nous, citoyens européens de toutes origines et de toutes tendances souhaitons exprimer notre totale opposition à la nomination de Tony Blair à la présidence de l’Union Européenne.

Le traité de Lisbonne prévoit la création du poste de président du Conseil de l’Union Européenne élu par le Conseil pour un mandat de deux ans et demi, renouvelable une fois. Selon les termes du traité : « Le président assure la préparation et la continuité des travaux du Conseil européen » et « Le président préside et anime les travaux du Conseil européen ». De même, « le président du Conseil européen assure, à son niveau et en sa qualité, la représentation extérieure de l’Union pour les matières relevant de la politique étrangère et de sécurité commune ».

Le futur président aura donc un rôle essentiel dans la détermination des politiques de l’Union et dans ses relations avec le reste du monde. Cette première présidence aura aussi un poids symbolique majeur aussi bien pour les citoyens de l’Union Européenne que pour l’image de l’Union dans le reste du monde. Dans cette perspective, il nous paraît essentiel que le premier président incarne l’esprit et les valeurs du projet européen.

Depuis quelques temps, des rumeurs de plus en plus insistantes évoquent le souhait de certains de faire de Tony Blair le premier président de l’Union Européenne. Cette nomination, si elle devait advenir, serait en totale contradiction avec les valeurs portées par le projet européen.

En violation du droit international, Tony Blair a engagé son pays dans une guerre en Irak, guerre à laquelle une vaste majorité des citoyens européens étaient opposés. Cette guerre a fait des centaines de milliers de victimes et entraîné le déplacement de millions de réfugiés. Elle a contribué à déstabiliser gravement le Moyen-Orient et fait reculer la sécurité dans le monde. Pour entraîner son pays dans la guerre, il a utilisé de manière systématique le mensonge et la manipulation de l’information. Son rôle dans la guerre en Irak pèserait lourdement sur l’image de l’Union dans le monde s’il advenait qu’il en soit nommé président

Les mesures que le gouvernement de Tony Blair a prises et sa complicité avec l’administration Bush dans le programme illégal « extraordinary renditions » ont amené un recul sans précédent des libertés civiles en contradiction avec les termes de la Convention Européenne des Droits de l’Homme qui fait partie intégrante du traité.

La Charte Européenne des Droits Fondamentaux formalise les valeurs fondatrices du projet européen et constitue un des piliers du nouveau traité. Tony Blair en a combattu l’intégration dans le traité de Lisbonne pour finalement obtenir que la Charte ne s’applique pas au Royaume-Uni.

Plutôt que de faire avancer l’intégration européenne, l’ancien premier ministre britannique a imposé un certain nombre de « lignes rouges » au cours des négociations du traité de Lisbonne, avec pour but d’empêcher tout progrès sur les questions sociales et fiscales ainsi que de politique étrangère et de sécurité commune.

Enfin, il nous paraît inenvisageable que le premier président de l’Union Européenne soit l’ancien chef d’un gouvernement qui a maintenu son pays en dehors de deux éléments clefs de la construction de l’Europe : la zone Schengen de libre circulation des personnes et la zone Euro.

A l’heure où l’une des priorités des institutions européennes est de renouer avec ses citoyens, il nous paraît essentiel que celui-ci soit une personnalité en qui une majorité de citoyens puissent se reconnaître. C’est pourquoi nous affirmons notre totale opposition à cette nomination.

Display:
Although I've mentioned them as successive steps, we can discuss simultaneously all the issues (wording, translation, hosting, dissemination strategy...).

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 08:32:57 AM EST
Count me in, definitely.

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.
by Vagulus on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 09:50:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Why do you hate freedom, Melanchthon?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 10:07:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
http://petition.eurolinux.org/

Melanchton, I found this while looking for relevant examples. I mention it for the bit at the bottom about EU privacy laws and the filing with CNIL.

(CNIL: France's Commission Nationale de l'Informatique et des Libertés, the authority for the protection of personal data.)


You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.

by Vagulus on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 04:37:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Thanks, Vagulus. I think privacy policy is important, too.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 04:49:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The sponsors list in the Eurolinux petition above reminded me of another important aspect: cost. Registering a domain name within the .eu (of course!) top level domain is cheap. Hosting a lot of web traffic possibly not - we may need to pass the kitty around to get started, and perhaps include a link for people wishing to make a small donation through PayPal toward the cost of running the website.

Lest it gets buried under a ton of messages: see linca's below about the computer/coding side of the project.

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.

by Vagulus on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 05:04:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Paging Colman?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 05:34:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
before any collective funding mechanism can be set up (or instead of). Might as well take advantage of my disgusting bourgeois banker condition for something useful.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 06:09:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Jeez, Vagulus- good idea, good model. While I was there, I tried to sign.
What's a "Zope Error"?

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 02:01:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Zope is the content management system behind the page. It blew a gasket.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 03:21:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The seriousness factor would go up with a specific domain, rather than using the petition website, maybe ?

Also, is a specific organisation needed for communication with institutions, media ?

Oh, and I'm signing.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 08:39:49 AM EST
I, too, think that a specific domain should be set up for this purpose. Let's discuss it.

Rather to create a specific organisation - which would be hard work - maybe we should contact organisations willing to support it.

That makes two signatures... ;-)

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 08:55:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Does the organisation needs to be much more than a French law 1901?

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 09:12:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm not sure it's worth creating an association.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:32:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Make it three.
Wow! that gets us out of the "a couple" bracket and into the higher reaches of "a few"!
Seriously, I'll stand (park?) on a corner and solicit pedestrian support if it will help Tonydawg to find a more appropriate place to grow old-- like the kennels at Crawford, Texas.

"Here, boy! Here, tony bhoy. Nice stick, Fetch!"

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 02:10:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Let me toss out the first draft of a translation. Not to worry, it is mostly a Google operation, though I did make some changes to awkward wording. But this little translator tool is getting increasingly good! (At least french->english) Perhaps we are approaching the viability of a multi-lingual ET heavily reliant on auto translation?

Pétition contre la nomination de Tony Blair comme Président de l'Union Européenne. Petition against the nomination of Tony Blair as President of the European Union.
Nous, citoyens européens de toutes origines et de toutes tendances souhaitons exprimer notre totale opposition à la nomination de Tony Blair à la présidence de l'Union Européenne.We, European citizens of all origins and of all political persuasions wish to express our total opposition to the nomination of Tony Blair to the presidency of the European Union.
Dans le cadre de la mise en oeuvre du traité de Lisbonne, il est prévu la création du poste de président du Conseil de l'Union Européenne élu par le Conseil pour une durée de deux ans et demi, renouvelable une fois. Selon les termes du traité : « Le président assure la préparation et la continuité des travaux du Conseil européen » et « Le président préside et anime les travaux du Conseil européen ». De même, « le président du Conseil européen assure, à son niveau et en sa qualité, la représentation extérieure de l'Union pour les matières relevant de la politique étrangère et de sécurité commune ».With the implementation of the Treaty of Lisbon the post of president of the Council of the European Union will be created. The president is elected by the Council for a period of two and a half years, renewable once. Under the terms of the treaty: "The President shall ensure the preparation and continuity of the work of the European Council" and "The President shall chair it and drive forward its work. Additionally, "The President of the European Council shall, at his level and in that capacity, ensure the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy."

This is the English bit from the Treaty of Lisbon, which I ended up quoting. Perhaps the quotes should be rearranged to be more direct? I.e.
Under the terms of the treaty, the President of the European Council: "shall ensure the preparation and continuity of the work of the European Council[...]" and "shall chair it and drive forward its work."

6. The President of the European Council:
(a)shall chair it and drive forward its work;
(b)shall ensure the preparation and continuity of the work of the European Council in cooperation with the President of the Commission, and on the basis of the work of the General Affairs Council;
(c)shall endeavour to facilitate cohesion and consensus within the European Council;
(d)shall present a report to the European Parliament after each of the meetings of the European Council.

The President of the European Council shall, at his level and in that capacity, ensure the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy, without prejudice to the powers o The President of the European Council shall not hold a national office.'.

Le futur président aura donc un rôle essentiel dans la détermination des politiques de l'Union et dans ses relations avec le reste du monde. Cette première présidence aura aussi un poids symbolique majeur aussi bien pour les citoyens de l'Union Européenne que pour l'image de l'Union dans le reste du monde. Dans cette perspective, il nous paraît essentiel que le premier président incarne l'esprit et les valeurs du projet européen.The next president will have a key role in determining the policies of the Union and our relations with the rest of the world. This first presidency will also have a major symbolic weight for both citizens of the European Union and for the image of the Union in the rest of the world. In this perspective, we believe it is essential that the first president embodies the spirit and values of the European project.
Depuis quelques temps, des rumeurs de plus en plus insistantes évoquent le souhait de certains de faire de Tony Blair le premier président de l'Union Européenne. Cette nomination, si elle devait advenir, serait en totale contradiction avec les valeurs portées par le projet européen.For some time now, increasingly insistent rumors speak of the desire some have to make Tony Blair the first president of the European Union. This appointment, were it to happen, would be in total contradiction with the values professed by the European project.
En violation du droit international, Tony Blair a engagé son pays dans une guerre à laquelle une vaste majorité des citoyens européens étaient opposés. Cette guerre a entraîné des centaines de milliers de victimes, contribué à déstabiliser le Moyen-Orient et fait reculer la sécurité dans le monde. Pour entraîner son pays dans la guerre, il a utilisé de manière systématique le mensonge et la manipulation de l'information. Son rôle dans la guerre en Irak pèserait lourdement sur l'image de l'Union dans le monde s'il advenait qu'il en soit nommé présidentIn violation of international law, Tony Blair committed his country in a war to which a large majority of European citizens were opposed. This war has killed hundreds of thousands, helped to destabilize the Middle East and eroded the security of the world. In order to lead his country into war, he made systematic use of lies and the manipulation of information. His role in the war in Iraq would weigh heavily on the image of the Union in the world should he happen to be named its president
Les mesures que le gouvernement de Tony Blair a prises et sa complicité avec l'administration Bush dans le programme illégal « extraordinary renditions » ont amené un recul sans précédent des libertés civiles en contradiction avec les termes de la Convention Européenne des Droits de l'Homme qui fait partie intégrante du traité.The actions taken by the government of Tony Blair, and his complicity with the Bush administration in the illegal program of "extraordinary renditions" have led to an unprecedented decline in civil liberties. This is inconsistent with the terms of the European Convention of Human Rights which is an integral part of the treaty.
La Charte Européenne des Droits Fondamentaux formalise les valeurs fondatrices du projet européen et constitue un des piliers du nouveau traité. Tony Blair en a combattu l'intégration dans le traité de Lisbonne pour finalement obtenir que la Charte ne s'applique pas au Royaume-Uni.The European Charter of Fundamental Rights formalizes the founding values of the European project and is one of the pillars of the new treaty. Tony Blair has fought its integration in the Treaty of Lisbon, and eventually managed to secure an exemption for the UK.
Enfin, il nous paraît inenvisageable que le premier président de l'Union Européenne soit l'ancien chef d'un gouvernement qui a maintenu son pays en dehors de deux éléments clefs de la construction de l'Europe : la zone Schengen de libre circulation des personnes et la zone Euro.Finally, it seems unthinkable that the first president of the European Union should be the former head of a government that kept its country out of two key elements of the construction of Europe: the Schengen area of free movement of people and the Euro zone.
A l'heure où l'une des priorités des institutions européennes est de renouer avec ses citoyens, il nous paraît essentiel que celui-ci soit une personnalité en qui une majorité de citoyens puissent se  reconnaître. C'est pourquoi nous affirmons notre totale opposition à cette nomination.At a time when one of the priorities of the European institutions is to reconnect with its citizens, we believe it is essential that its president is a person with which a majority of citizens can identify. Therefore, we declare our total opposition to this nomination.
Signatures :Signatures:
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 09:32:42 AM EST
Great! Thanks a lot, someone!

I put excerpts of the treaty because I thought it was more "readable" than the formal text.


"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 10:04:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Do you also want to mention his role with the island of Diego Garcia?

Smaller potatoes, but there are two relevant issues:

I believe that there is current court action on this issue over the expulsion of the islanders.

Tony Blair invoked an ancient and archaic "royal prerogative" to strike down their claims once more.

http://www.counterpunch.org/worthington10202007.html

The issue of torture being allowed on British soil.

Human Rights Watch


aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 10:16:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Lemme insert my proposals for addition into someone's translation:

...Tony Blair has fought its integration in the Treaty of Lisbon, and eventually managed to secure an exemption for the UK.

Instead of moving European integration forward, the former British Prime Minister has set a series of so-called red lines during the Lisbon negotiations, which also involved the intent to block any advances in tax harmonisation, defense and foreign policy harmonisation.

Furthermore, it seems unthinkable that the first president of the European Union should be the former head of a government that kept its country out of two key elements of the construction of Europe: the Schengen area of free movement of people and the Euro zone.

Finally, by selecting Tony Blair for President, the European Council wouldn't just damage the image of the EU abroad, but at home, too: it would be the selection of someone rejected by wide majorities of the population of EU member countries, as shown in a recent FT/Harris poll.

At a time when one of the priorities of the European institutions is to reconnect with its citizens, we believe it is essential that its president is a person with which a majority of citizens can identify. Therefore, we declare our total opposition to this nomination.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:00:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I agree with your additions, except I'm not sure about the reference to the poll: We oppose Tony Blair on the basis of values, not because the majority is against him.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:06:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Correct. But surely choosing someone opposed by the majority of the populace is also anti-democratic when we want the EU to turn more democratic, and goes right against reconnecting with the citizens. Maybe it should be re-worked for more coherence.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 02:49:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
We can say he would be a divisive figure, and quote the poll - is he even opposed in Britain?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 02:58:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Follow the link, yes he is. He is least disliked in Italy.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 03:01:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Great work, someone!

I haven't been able to look in much today, and I've got a thick head that tells me some bug has grabbed me, but I'll make some suggestions on the English text tomorrow morning.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 03:50:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Here's my editing of the English text, incorporating DoDo's suggestions:

The Treaty of Lisbon provides for the new post of President of the Council of the European Union, to be elected by the Council for a mandate, renewable once only, of two and a half years. Under the terms of the treaty: "The President shall ensure the preparation and continuity of the work of the European Council" and "The President shall chair it and drive forward its work". Further, "The President of the European Council shall, at his level and in that capacity, ensure the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy."

The future president will therefore have a key role in determining the policies of the Union and its relations with the rest of the world. This first presidency will also have a major symbolic weight for both citizens of the European Union and for the image of the Union in the rest of the world. In this perspective, we believe it is essential that the first president embodies the spirit and values of the European project.

For some time now, increasingly insistent rumours have instanced a wish, in some quarters, to see Tony Blair appointed the first president of the European Union. This appointment, were it to take place, would be in total contradiction with the values professed by the European project.

In violation of international law, Tony Blair committed his country to a war in Iraq that a large majority of European citizens opposed. This war has claimed hundreds of thousands of victims, contributed to destabilising the Middle East, and eroded world security. In order to lead his country into war, he made systematic use of lies and the manipulation of information. His role in the Iraq war would weigh heavily on the image of the Union in the world should he in fact be named its president.

The steps taken by Tony Blair's government, and his complicity with the Bush administration in the illegal programme of "extraordinary renditions", have led to an unprecedented decline in civil liberties. This is in contradiction with the terms of the European Convention of Human Rights which is an integral part of the treaty.

The European Charter of Fundamental Rights formalizes the founding values of the European project and is one of the pillars of the new treaty. Tony Blair fought its inclusion in the Treaty of Lisbon, and eventually managed to secure an exemption for the UK.

Rather than move European integration forward, the former British Prime Minister set a series of so-called red lines during the Lisbon negotiations, with the intent of blocking any progress in tax or defence and foreign policy harmonisation.

Furthermore, it seems unthinkable that the first president of the European Union should be the former head of a government that kept its country out of two key elements of the construction of Europe: the Schengen area of free movement of people and the Euro zone.

Finally, a recent Financial Times/Harris poll showed that Tony Blair is rejected by wide majorities of the population of EU member countries. At a time when one of the priorities of the European institutions is to reconnect with its citizens, we believe it is essential that its president should be a person with which a majority of citizens can identify. Therefore, we declare our total opposition to this nomination.


by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 05:07:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I like this one, however I have one problem: I agree we should mention he is a divisive person, but I'm still unsure about the reference to a specific poll. What will we do if a new poll - manipulated or not - shows a different result?  It could weaken our position. A solution could be not to put it in the text of the petition and to mention the poll on the web page hosting it.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 05:43:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, I agree. This was just an attempt to work it in to the first draft. It's easy enough to edit out!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 05:56:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
What about the part: "We, European citizens of all origins and of all political persuasions..." ?

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 06:00:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, it translates the French. Though you could say "nationalities" rather than "origins".

My thoughts: is the petition restricted to EU citizens? Or citizens of Europe in a wider sense?

Why not just say: "We, European citizens"? ("Nous, citoyens de l'Europe")?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 07:16:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
No, it's OK. You just forgot to put at the top of your text.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 07:43:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
So I did. I'm a bit buggy at the moment.

I didn't have any changes to make to someone's first paragraph and forgot to copy it in.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 07:47:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I added something:
"Cette guerre a fait des centaines de milliers de victimes et entraîné le déplacement de millions de réfugiés. Elle a contribué à déstabiliser gravement le Moyen-Orient et fait reculer la sécurité dans le monde."

How would you put it in English?

I also think we should mention social issues:
"Rather than move European integration forward, the former British Prime Minister set a series of so-called red lines during the Lisbon negotiations, with the intent of blocking any progress in <b<social issues and tax harmonisation as well as common defence and foreign policy.</b>"

What do you think?

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 09:32:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"and turned millions into refugees"...

I'd also give gravement as "deeply" or just "seriously".

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 10:33:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"...and displaced millions of refugees."

Yes to the social issues and that drafting of it.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 11:04:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You could put the specific poll reference into a footnote. That's good because then you can also footnote a reference to the quoted passage of the Treaty.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 10:51:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If you accept that version (you as principal author have the last word), I will also do a Hungarian translation. It would also be nice if Torres or other Portuguese readers would do that version, and maybe Barbara (if we can steal her time for free) a Czech version?

Also, I don't think that not having all small languages should be seen as a problem: if this thing will gather steam, surely there will be people who volunteer to do the rest.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 12:30:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'd sign, definitely.

I'm sure it'd be pretty damn popular.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 09:35:09 AM EST
I would add two more things:

  • a reference to that FT poll that found wide public opposition to Bliar's Presidency
  • I would emphasize Bliar's negative role in negotiations about further integration, including the drafting of the Constitution


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 10:19:44 AM EST
Agree completely on first point, not so sure about the second point. There's a plausible argument that Tony did that for reasons of domestic politics, plus the Constitution was ultimately rejected not by Tony, but by the French and Dutch referenda. I don't think the charge sticks.

Unrelated: we should mention that the illegal war was in Iraq. You have to be explicit, with people.

I'll try my hand at a Dutch translation from someone's English version (or a corrected one) tomorrow evening.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 12:52:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
See my edit proposals upthread, I resticted it to the Reform Treaty.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:03:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Being ideologically inclusive and all (see Starvid's comments on Sarko, via Brooks on Obama, yesterday), can't we cite some classic de Gaulle?:

« L'Angleterre n'est plus qu'un satellite des Etats-Unis...Si elle entrait dans le Marché commun, elle ne serait que le cheval de Troie des Américains. Cela voudrait dire que l'Europe renonce à l'indépendance. »

Needless to say, what goes for the poodle nation goes for the poodle in chief.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 11:04:46 AM EST
You have to make it possible for British Europhiles to support the petition.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 11:42:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, the Welsh and the Scots are ok with me.

The good general was only talking about England...

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 12:01:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I agree with Migeru: we should word it in order to find the greatest consensus possible, including UK citizens. In fact, we should try to find allies in the UK (blogs and/or organisations).

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 12:48:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Indeed. If this would be a narrow opinion piece, you could also have slammed him for installing Barroso and cuddling up to Aznar & Berlusconi.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:05:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
And for contaminating Europe with the Anglo disease...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:08:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Migeru:
President of the EU? (4.00 / 4) Can we stop perpetuating this misleading media frame?

Under the Reform Treaty there will be a permanent President of the European Council to replace the rotating six-month presidency we had so far.

However, there will still be a President of the European Commission. The European Commission will retain legislative initiative and be the executive branch (and civil service) of the EU.

In addition, there will be a High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy, to replace both Solana's current position (associated with the Council) and the Commissioner for External Relations.

And then there will be the President of the European Parliament.

The "EU President" won't get to "run the EU". The President of the Commission will still get to do that. They won't represent the Eu internationally, the HRCFSP will do that.

I'm sick of the media frame that says that everything happens in the European Council. It only benefits the member states and people like Sarkozy and Blair, to the detriment of the Union.



We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 11:08:26 AM EST
I was just going to find this one...

So change to Council President in the draft, because Blair should not be that either.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 11:42:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You're right in principle, but you should notice that currently, when a country is in charge of the presidency of the European Council (like Slovenia), everybody (not only the media, but also the European institutions) uses the terms "presidency of the European Union".

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 12:42:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, the way you phrase things influences the discourse. If we can get people to think about the "President of the Council" we will have scored an important point,
too.

I really cannot fathom the Commission allowing the Council to steal the limelight like this.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 02:47:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
European Tribune - A petition against a Tony Blair presidency of the European Union European Tribune - Petición contra Tony Blair como posible Presidente del Consejo de la Unión Europea
Pétition contre la nomination de Tony Blair comme Président de l'Union Européenne. Petición contra la nominación de Tony Blair como Presidente del Consejo de la Unión Europea
Nous, citoyens européens de toutes origines et de toutes tendances souhaitons exprimer notre totale opposition à la nomination de Tony Blair à la présidence de l'Union Européenne. Los abajo firmantes, ciudadanos europeos de todos los orígenes y tendencias, deseamos espresar nuestra total oposición a la nominación de Tony Blair como Presidente del Consejo de la Unión Europea.
Dans le cadre de la mise en oeuvre du traité de Lisbonne, il est prévu la création du poste de président du Conseil de l'Union Européenne élu par le Conseil pour une durée de deux ans et demi, renouvelable une fois. Selon les termes du traité : « Le président assure la préparation et la continuité des travaux du Conseil européen » et « Le président préside et anime les travaux du Conseil européen ». De même, « le président du Conseil européen assure, à son niveau et en sa qualité, la représentation extérieure de l'Union pour les matières relevant de la politique étrangère et de sécurité commune ». En el marco de la puesta en práctica del tratado de Lisboa, se prevé la creación de un puesto de Presidente del Consejo de la Unión Europea elegido por el Consejo para una duración de dos años y medio, renovable una vez. Según los términos del tratado: "El Presidente asegura la preparación y continuidad de los trabajos del Consejo de la Unión Europea" y "El Presidente preside y anima los trabajos del Consejo de la Unión Europea". De igual modo, "El Presidente del Consejo de la Unión Europea asegura, a su nivel y en su calidad, la representación esterna de la Unión en las materias relevantes de la política exterior y de seguridad común".
Le futur président aura donc un rôle essentiel dans la détermination des politiques de l'Union et dans ses relations avec le reste du monde. Cette première présidence aura aussi un poids symbolique majeur aussi bien pour les citoyens de l'Union Européenne que pour l'image de l'Union dans le reste du monde. Dans cette perspective, il nous paraît essentiel que le premier président incarne l'esprit et les valeurs du projet européen. El futuro presidente tendrá, por tanto, un papel esencial en la determinación de las políticas de la Unión y en sus relaciones con el resto del munso. Esta primera Presidencia tendrá también un gran peso simbólico tanto para los ciudadanos de la Unión Europea como para la imagen de la Unión en el resto del mundo. Desde esta perspectiva, nos parece esencial que el primer presidente encarne el espíritu y los calores del proyecto europeo.
Depuis quelques temps, des rumeurs de plus en plus insistantes évoquent le souhait de certains de faire de Tony Blair le premier président de l'Union Européenne. Cette nomination, si elle devait advenir, serait en totale contradiction avec les valeurs portées par le projet européen. Desde hace algún tiempo, rumores cada vez más insistentes sugieren que algunos desean hacer de Tony Blair el primer presidente de la Unión Europea. Esta nominación, si llegara a producirse, estaría en total contradicción con los valores representados por el proyecto europeo.
En violation du droit international, Tony Blair a engagé son pays dans une guerre à laquelle une vaste majorité des citoyens européens étaient opposés. Cette guerre a entraîné des centaines de milliers de victimes, contribué à déstabiliser le Moyen-Orient et fait reculer la sécurité dans le monde. Pour entraîner son pays dans la guerre, il a utilisé de manière systématique le mensonge et la manipulation de l'information. Son rôle dans la guerre en Irak pèserait lourdement sur l'image de l'Union dans le monde s'il advenait qu'il en soit nommé président En violación del derecho internacional, Tony Blair llevó a su país a una guerra a la que se oponía la gran mayoría de los ciudadanos europeos. Esta guerra ha causado centenares de miles de víctimas, ha contribuído a desestabilizar el Oriente Medio y ha hecho retroceder la seguridad en el mundo. Para involucrar a su país en esta guerra, ha utilizado de manera sistemática la mentira y la manipulación. Su papel en la guerra de Irak pesaría gravemente sobre la imagen de la Union en el mundo si se diera el caso de ser nombrado su Presidente.
Les mesures que le gouvernement de Tony Blair a prises et sa complicité avec l'administration Bush dans le programme illégal « extraordinary renditions » ont amené un recul sans précédent des libertés civiles en contradiction avec les termes de la Convention Européenne des Droits de l'Homme qui fait partie intégrante du traité. La Charte Européenne des Droits Fondamentaux formalise les valeurs fondatrices du projet européen et constitue un des piliers du nouveau traité. Tony Blair en a combattu l'intégration dans le traité de Lisbonne pour finalement obtenir que la Charte ne s'applique pas au Royaume-Uni. Las medidas tomadas por el gobierno de Tony Blair y su complicidad con la administración de Bush en el programa ilegal de "rendición extraordinaria" han llevado a un retroceso sin precedentes en las libertades civiles en contradicción con la Convención Europea de Derechos Humanos que forma parte integrante del Tratado. La Carta Europea de Derechos Fundamentales formaliza los valores fundadores del proyecto europeo y constituye uno de los pilares del nuevo tratado. Tony Blair ha luchado contra su integración en el Tratado de Lisboa para finalmente obtener que la Carta no se aplique en el Reino Unido.
Enfin, il nous paraît inenvisageable que le premier président de l'Union Européenne soit l'ancien chef d'un gouvernement qui a maintenu son pays en dehors de deux éléments clefs de la construction de l'Europe : la zone Schengen de libre circulation des personnes et la zone Euro. Finalmente, nos parece inconcebible que el primer Presidente de la Unión Europea sea un antiguo jefe de gobierno que ha mantenido a su país fuera de dos elementos clave de la construcción europea: la zona Schengen de libre circulación de personas y la zona Euro.
A l'heure où l'une des priorités des institutions européennes est de renouer avec ses citoyens, il nous paraît essentiel que celui-ci soit une personnalité en qui une majorité de citoyens puissent se reconnaître. C'est pourquoi nous affirmons notre totale opposition à cette nomination. Cuando una de las prioridades de las instituciones europeas es reconectar con los cuidadanos, nos parece esencial que el Presidente del Consejo sea una personalidad en quien una mayoría de los ciudadanos se puedan reconocer. Por ello afirmamos nuestra total oposición a esta nominación
Signatures : Firmas:


We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 11:43:47 AM EST
Thanks, Migeru!

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 12:44:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Nice, but, when translating we should probably look up the relevant quotes in the treaty of Lisbon of the language in question, rather than translating them from the French.
Lisbon Treaty, Spanish, (PDF) (Page 18, document numbering, page 20, pdf page)

6. El Presidente del Consejo Europeo:
a) presidirá e impulsará los trabajos del Consejo Europeo;
b) velará por la preparación y continuidad de los trabajos del Consejo Europeo, en
cooperación con el Presidente de la Comisión y basándose en los trabajos del Consejo de
Asuntos Generales;
c) se esforzará por facilitar la cohesión y el consenso en el seno del Consejo Europeo;
d) al término de cada reunión del Consejo Europeo, presentará un informe al Parlamento
Europeo.
El Presidente del Consejo Europeo asumirá, en su rango y condición, la representación exterior
de la Unión en los asuntos de política exterior y de seguridad común, sin perjuicio de las
atribuciones del Alto Representante de la Unión para Asuntos Exteriores y Política de
Seguridad.
El Presidente del Consejo Europeo no podrá ejercer mandato nacional alguno.»

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 05:21:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Lazy me.

You're right, of course.

I have also caught a couple of typos and people have been suggesting additions, so it will all be corrected when Melanchton posts an update diary next week :-)

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 05:25:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Petición contra la nominación de Tony Blair como Presidente del Consejo de la Unión Europea

Los abajo firmantes, ciudadanos europeos de todos los orígenes y orientaciones políticas, deseamos expresar nuestra total oposición a la nominación de Tony Blair como Presidente del Consejo de la Unión Europea.

El Tratado de Lisboa prevé la creación de un puesto de Presidente del Consejo de la Unión Europea, elegido por el Consejo para un mandato de dos años y medio, renovable una vez. Según los términos del tratado: el Presidente "velará por la preparación y continuidad de los trabajos del Consejo Europeo" y "presidirá e impulsará los trabajos del Consejo Europeo". De igual modo, "asumirá, en su rango y condición, la representación exterior de la Unión en los asuntos de política exterior y de seguridad común, sin perjuicio de las atribuciones del Alto Representante de la Unión para Asuntos Exteriores y Política de Seguridad".

El futuro Presidente tendrá, por tanto, un papel clave en la determinación de las políticas de la Unión y en sus relaciones con el resto del mundo. Esta primera Presidencia tendrá también un gran peso simbólico tanto para los ciudadanos de la Unión Europea como para la imagen de la Unión en el resto del mundo. Desde esta perspectiva, nos parece esencial que el primer presidente encarne el espíritu y los valores del proyecto europeo.

Desde hace algún tiempo, rumores cada vez más insistentes sugieren que algunos desean hacer de Tony Blair el primer Presidente de la Unión Europea. Esta nominación, si llegara a producirse, estaría en total contradicción con los valores representados por el proyecto europeo.

En violación del derecho internacional, Tony Blair llevó a su país a una guerra en Iraq a la que se oponía la gran mayoría de los ciudadanos europeos. Esta guerra causó centenares de miles de víctimas y ha desplazado a millones de refugiados. Ha contribuído a desestabilizar el Oriente Medio y ha erosionado la seguridad mundial. Para involucrar a su país en esta guerra, utilizó de manera sistemática la mentira y la manipulación de la información. Su papel en la guerra de Irak pesaría como una losa sobre la imagen de la Union en el mundo si se diera el caso de ser nombrado su Presidente.

Las medidas tomadas por el gobierno de Tony Blair y su complicidad con la administración de Bush en el programa ilegal de "rendición extraordinaria" han llevado a un retroceso sin precedentes en las libertades civiles en contradicción con la Convención Europea de Derechos Humanos que forma parte integrante del Tratado.

La Carta de los derechos fundamentales de la Unión Europea formaliza los valores fundacionales del proyecto europeo y constituye uno de los pilares del nuevo tratado. Tony Blair luchó contra su inclusión en el Tratado de Lisboa, y finalmente obtuvo una exención a su aplicación en el Reino Unido.

Más que impulsar la integración europea, el anterior Primer Ministro británico estableción una serie de "líneas rojas" durante las negociaciones del Tratado de Lisboa, con la intención de bloquear cualquer progreso en asuntos sociales, armonización fiscal, así como en la política de defensa y exterior común.

Es más, nos parece inconcebible que el primer Presidente de la Unión Europea sea un antiguo jefe de un gobierno que ha mantenido a su país fuera de dos elementos clave de la construcción europea: la zona Schengen de libre circulación de personas y la zona Euro.

Cuando una de las prioridades de las instituciones europeas es reconectar con los cuidadanos, nos parece esencial que su Presidente sea una personalidad con la que se pueda identificar una una mayoría de los ciudadanos. Por ello afirmamos nuestra total oposición a esta nominación.



We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 05:55:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If we host the petition ourselves, does anyone know about web software that could handle the petition signing ? Else I could help with the coding.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 12:00:06 PM EST
Maybe, it's worth mentioning that Tony Blair is joining one of the Wall Street's best-known banks (JP Morgan).

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/be4ed2c4-befa-11dc-8c61-0000779fd2ac.html

As Yves Smith says: "Isn't making speeches for hundreds of thousands of pounds and book deals (bad) enough? Formal private sector jobs, even advisory roles, by top government officials, should be prohibited for at least two years (four would be better). Any shorter timeframe creates conflicts of interests."

by kukute on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 12:31:16 PM EST
Oh, yeah, actually mentioning the conflicts of interest arising from his "adviser" appointments with various private companies wouldn't be a bad thing.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 02:19:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That would also disqualify Aznar - he's been in the pay of Rupert Murdoch since he left office (and covertly for the first two years while he sat on Spain's advisory "Council of State").

And Schröder (Gazprom).

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 03:18:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Of course, Migeru,

But, please, don't put Aznar in the same dish with Schröeder. It's like mixing a salad with kidneys in xerez sauce.

A big conflict of tastes!

by kukute on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 08:01:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
True.

And welcome to ET!

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 03:29:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You have my signature... but the organization stuff.. no idea.. never done such a viral thing in the internets... so I am sorry.. nothing to bring to the debate on this front... I know what I read here.

A pleasure

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by kcurie on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:23:23 PM EST
It will have to work first by word of email and by word of blog: send the link together with the text of the petition to your friends and relations; write about it in any relevant blogs, if you're a qualified contributor.

Once you've got a fair number of signatures, you'd want to have the media pick up the news for added exposure.

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.

by Vagulus on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 04:20:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
We should send this to MEPs (Members of the European Parliament) right away. When it's finished.

Prominence matters...

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 07:08:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 01:55:37 PM EST
LOL!

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 02:22:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
European Tribune - A petition against a Tony Blair presidency of the European Union
En violation du droit international, Tony Blair a engagé son pays dans une guerre à laquelle une vaste majorité des citoyens européens étaient opposés.
Can we say that not only the war was opposed by the majority of European citizens but also by a majority of his own (British) citizens? A head of government is not exactly supposed to make policy for the European public, but Blair's disregard for the opinions of the British people on controversial issues and specifically on Iraq is well documented.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 03:00:52 PM EST
I don't think a national leader who blatantly disregarded Europe for (ostensible) national interests is fit for Council Presidency, either.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 03:03:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes. Make a reference to the 2 million protesters in London as well. Let's emphasize how much this guy does not care about the plebs and their insignificant opinions.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 03:03:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Melanchthon, Great move! Count me in!
by The3rdColumn on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 03:03:26 PM EST
even if I "reside in the place most sheeple commonly know as "America".
by Lasthorseman on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 05:22:05 PM EST
When we set up the petition page we should collect information of signatories' nationality and residence, separately.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 03:19:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Okay, German version. I used Google for the draft and tried to stay as close to the French one as possible. Some things still sound a little rough on the edges, a little polish is needed. It's now presidency of the council (instead of union), mostly. Oh, and the citations from the treaty still have to be adapted.


Petition gegen die Ernennung von Tony Blair zum Präsidenten der Europäischen Union.

Wir, die europäischen Bürger jeglicher Herkunft und aller politischer Lager möchten unseren Widerstand gegen die Ernennung von Tony Blair zum Präsidenten des Rates der Europäischen Union deutlich zum Ausdruck bringen.

Im Rahmen der Umsetzung des Vertrags von Lissabon ist vorgesehen, das Amt des Vorsitzenden des Rates der Europäischen Union einzuführen, gewählt von den Mitgliedern des Rates für einen Zeitraum von zweieinhalb Jahren und maximal zwei Amtszeiten. Laut den Bestimmungen des EG-Vertrags sorgt der Präsident "für die Vorbereitung und Kontinuität der Arbeit des Europäischen Rates", "führt den Vorsitz und leitet die Beratungen des Europäischen Rates" und "nimmt auf seiner Ebene die Außenvertretung der Union in den Bereichen der Gemeinsamen Außen- und Sicherheitspolitik wahr".

Der künftige Präsident wird also eine wichtige Rolle bei der Festlegung der Politik der Europäischen Union und in ihren Außenbeziehungen einnehmen. Die erste Präsidentschaft trägt auch ein großes symbolisches Gewicht, sowohl für die Bürger der Europäischen Union als auch für das Ansehen der Union in der übrigen Welt. Aus dieser Perspektive erscheint es uns wichtig, dass der erste Präsident den Geist und die Werte des europäischen Projekts repräsentiert.

Seit einiger Zeit mehren sich hartnäckige Gerüchte, dass manche den Wunsch hegen, Tony Blair zum ersten Präsident des Europäischen Rates zu wählen. Diese Ernennung stünde in krassem Widerspruch zu den Grundwerten des europäischen Projektes.

Tony Blair hat sein Land unter Verletzung des Völkerrechts in einen Krieg geführt, dem eine große Mehrheit der europäischen Bürger sehr kritisch gegenüberstand. Dieser Krieg führte zu Hunderttausenden von Opfern, zur Destabilisierung des Mittleren Ostens und zu einer weltweit verschärften Sicherheitslage. Um sein Land in den Krieg zu verwickeln [Verwicklung zu rechtfertigen?], bediente er sich in systematischer Weise manipulierter Informationen und Lügen. Für den Fall, dass er zum Präsidenten des Rates ernannt würde, belastete seine Rolle im Golfkrieg das Image der Union in der Welt daher nachhaltig.

Die Maßnahmen, die die Regierung von Tony Blair getroffen hat, insbesondere seine Komplizenschaft mit der Bush-Administration im Rahmen des illegalen Programms der "außerordentlichen Überstellungen" [?] stellen eine Einschränkung der Freiheiten der europäischen Bürger dar und stehen im Widerspruch zu den Bestimmungen der Europäischen Konvention zum Schutz der Menschenrechte, die Bestandteil des Vertrages ist.

Die Europäische Charta der Grundrechte formalisiert die Grundwerte des europäischen Projekts und ist eine der Säulen des neuen Vertrags. Tony Blair hat ihre Integration in den Vertrag von Lissabon bekämpft und erreicht, dass die Charta im Vereinigten Königreich nicht gültig ist.

Schließlich erscheint es uns nicht als wünschenswert, dass der erste Präsident der Europäischen Union der ehemalige Regierungschef eines Staates ist, der an zwei Schlüsselelementen des europäischen Projekts nicht beteiligt ist, nämlich an der Schengen-Zone des freien Personenverkehrs und der Währungsunion.

Zu einer Zeit, wo es eine der Prioritäten der europäischen Institutionen ist, im Einklang mit den Wünschen der Bürger zu entscheiden, erscheint es uns als unabdingbar, dass an ihrer Spitze eine Person steht, von der sich eine Mehrheit der Bürger vertreten fühlt. Deshalb bekräftigen wir unseren kompromisslosen Widerstand gegen die Ernennung von Tony Blair.



"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 05:29:03 PM EST
Great! Thanks a lot, Tùrin!

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 05:35:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Gil sila na lu govaded.

/well, at least it's dark outside

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu

by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 05:53:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Nice, but, when translating we should probably look up the relevant quotes in the treaty of Lisbon of the language in question, rather than translating them from the French.
Lisbon Treaty, German, (PDF) (Page 18, document numbering, page 20, pdf page)
(6) Der Präsident des Europäischen Rates
a) führt den Vorsitz bei den Arbeiten des Europäischen Rates und gibt ihnen Impulse,
b) sorgt in Zusammenarbeit mit dem Präsidenten der Kommission auf der Grundlage der
Arbeiten des Rates ,Allgemeine Angelegenheiten` für die Vorbereitung und Kontinuität der
Arbeiten des Europäischen Rates,
c) wirkt darauf hin, dass Zusammenhalt und Konsens im Europäischen Rat gefördert werden,
d) legt dem Europäischen Parlament im Anschluss an jede Tagung des Europäischen Rates
einen Bericht vor.
Der Präsident des Europäischen Rates nimmt auf seiner Ebene und in seiner Eigenschaft,
unbeschadet der Befugnisse des Hohen Vertreters der Union für Außen- und Sicherheitspolitik,
die Außenvertretung der Union in Angelegenheiten der Gemeinsamen Außen- und
Sicherheitspolitik wahr.
Der Präsident des Europäischen Rates darf kein einzelstaatliches Amt ausüben."
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 05:26:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Cool, I almost got it exactly right. Will do the changes as soon as we have a definite version.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 11:10:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Do you think the bit about not interfering with the work of the Foreign Affairs High Commissioner (at the end of the sentence in English, in the middle of it in several other languages) can be dropped, or should it be left included?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 03:00:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I think it should be dropped. It doesn't add relevant info and makes the sentence too long.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 03:03:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Some suggested clean-up:

  • Ernennung would be appointment, replace with Nominierung everywhere

  • Rat der Europäischen Union should be Europäischer Rat

  • In the third paragraph of the text body:

...der erste Präsident den Geist und die Werte des europäischen Projekts verkörpert.

* Fifth paragraph:

Um sein Land in den Krieg führen zu können, bediente er sich in systematischer Weise manipulierter Informationen und Lügen. Wäre er tatsächlich zum Präsidenten des Rates ernannt, würde seine Rolle im Irakkrieg daher das Image der Union in der Welt nachhaltig belasten.

  • extraordinary rendition is "außenordentliche Auslieferung". Bestimmungen is plural (ist->sind at the end).

  • In the before-last paragraph, instead of erscheint es uns nicht als wünschenswert, können wir uns es nicht vorstellen.

  • You translated "to reconnect with its citizens" as, I translate back, "to make decisions in accordance with the desires of the citizens". Is there no way to put it more faithfully in German? Say "sich wieder mit den Bürgern verbinden"? (Though that sounds somehow awkward.)

  • Still last paragraph:
...an ihrer Spitze eine Person steht, mit der sich die Mehrheit der Bürger identifizieren kann.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 05:19:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Thanks.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 12:47:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Let's recommend him as the first defendant of accusations of War Crimes at the ICC. And subsenquently first indicted. First = premier! It's almost as good as "president"!
Tony always wanted to have his name in the history books; let's afford him this HONOR.


A 'centrist' is someone who's neither on the left, nor on the left.
by nicta (nico&#65312;altiva&#8228;fr) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 07:22:53 PM EST
We will need legal advisors to help formulate recommendation. Any lawyers, barristers among the tribuners?
by The3rdColumn on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 07:33:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm no lawyer, but can't he only go to the ICC if the UK has refused to take him to court? so shouldn't the first step be to try and get him in front of a judge in the UK?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 07:38:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No lawyer though I studied law. And ceebs is right.

The first matter that needs to be sorted out is what war crimes (which the ICC would cover) Blair committed in the first place.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 07:46:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It might have already happened

And I havent heard the results of these two

UK `war crimes' claims examined in The Hague | Independent on Sunday, The | Find Articles at BNET.com

Claims that the UK has committed war crimes against Iraqi civilians are being examined by the International Criminal Court after complaints by a panel of legal experts.

In a letter seen by The Independent on Sunday, the chief prosecutor of the ICC in The Hague has described the war crimes allegations as "one of the most significant" cases he has seen, and were being given "deserved weight" by his investigators.

Luis Moreno Ocampo, the chief prosecutor, indicated that his office has now begun the formal process of gathering evidence about the claims and is now expected to ask the Government to explain its military strategy in Iraq.

Greeks accuse Blair of war crimes in Iraq | Iraq | Guardian Unlimited

Tony Blair and other British ministers are accused of crimes against humanity in prosecuting the war against Iraq in a case lodged with the international criminal court by Greek lawyers yesterday.

The Athens Bar Association accuses the government of breaching almost every international treaty and the entire spectrum of human rights in the 47-page complaint.

"The repeated, blatant violations by the United States and Britain of the stipulations of the four 1949 Geneva conventions, the 1954 convention of the Hague as well as the charter of the international criminal court, constitute war crimes and crimes against humanity," the lawyers said in a statement.

"[The accused] intended to cause severe psychological distress or major physical or psychological damage to individuals who enjoy the protection of the Geneva conventions."



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 07:58:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Jeez- just the guy to nominate for president.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 03:16:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And I couldn't find the case that I was actually looking for.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 08:19:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Regarding which languages to use, I figured this could come in handy:

Languages of the European Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Language of the European Union Language   (EU Countries)   As a Mother Tongue
(% of EU Population)   As a language other
than Mother Tongue
(% of EU Population)   Can speak the Language
(% of EU Population)  
English 13% 38% 51%
German 18% 14% 32%
French 12% 14% 26%
Italian 13% 3% 16%
Spanish 9% 6% 15%
Polish 9% 1% 10%
Dutch 5% 1% 6%
Russian n/a 1% 6% 7%
Swedish 2% 1% 3%
Greek 3% 0% 3%
Czech 2% 1% 3%
Portuguese 2% 0% 2%
Hungarian 2% 0% 2%
Slovak 1% 1% 2%
Catalan 1% 1% 2%

(Looks good enough, the column furthest to the right is "can speak language").

From a priority stand-point of having most EUropeans able to understand one of the languages good enough italian, polish and russian looks most important to add. This is not just me being lazy about doing a translation to swedish, I also figure that if we are to have a neat page it is good to limit the number of translations necessary so we don't end up waiting for that elusive translation to Latvian...

Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se

by A swedish kind of death on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 09:37:20 AM EST
Thanks, ASKOD!

I agree with you: when we have a translation in Italian, we will be ready to set up the petition page. Polish would be nice, but we must find somebody willing to translate.

If we don't have texts in Baltic languages, I don't think Russian would be politically wise...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 09:49:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Is not Russian a Baltic language too?

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
by r------ on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 10:35:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, there are Russian-speakers along the Baltic Sea, but "Baltic language" normally refers to a language family that is separate from both Germanic and Slavic.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 10:49:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Gotcha. So we don't have to worry about Eesti then, either..

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
by r------ on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 10:56:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
  1. The fact is, more Europeans speak Russian as a second language than the Baltic languages as a first language.
  2. If someone wants to contribute a translation into Baltic Languages, they are welcome.
  3. Is Estonian close enough to Finnish?


We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 10:41:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'll ask a friend for a Polish translation this weekend, if no one here can do it.

A Dutch translation is coming this evening (probably 80% of Dutch mother tongue speakers have an at least decent grasp of English, but most of them still prefer Dutch, of course).

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 10:56:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Great!

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 11:11:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Excellent!
Remember to put the actual quotes from the Treaty in the translation, rather than translating from French/English. Links to the Treaty pdfs can be found here.
(Very bottom of page, the first set of language links are for ordering a paper copy...) The relevant section is 16-6, which should be around page 20 of the pdf.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 11:27:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Impressive! Absolutely first class move we've got here Melanchthon. Thanks loads -- have already e-mailed this site addy with content to some friends.
by The3rdColumn on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 12:28:03 PM EST
It would be better to wait out the final edit and the decision on the primary hosting site before alerting people.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 12:31:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Not to worry DoDo -- sending feelers to friends is also a good way to promote ET.
by The3rdColumn on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 12:36:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Here we go:
Petitie tegen het benoemen van Tony Blair als President van de Europese Unie

Wij, Europese burgers van alle afkomsten en politieke overtuigingen willen onze complete tegenstand uitspreken tegen de nominatie van Tony Blair voor het presidentschap van de Europese Unie.

Het Verdrag van Lissabon regelt de nieuwe positie van president van de Europese Raad. De president wordt door de raad voor een periode van twee en een half jaar gekozen, en kan eenmaal worden herkozen. Het verdrag stelt "de president zorgt voor de voorbereiding en de continuïteit van de werkzaamheden van de Europese Raad" en "de president leidt en stimuleert de werkzaamheden van de Europese Raad". Verder zorgt de president van de Europese Raad "op zijn niveau en in zijn hoedanigheid voor de externe vertegenwoordiging van de Unie in aangelegenheden die onder het gemeenschappelijk buitenlands en veiligheidsbeleid vallen".

De toekomstige president heeft daardoor een sleutelrol in het bepalen van het beleid van de Europese Unie, en haar relaties met de rest van de wereld. Het eerste presidentschap zal ook een enorm symbolisch gewicht hebben, zowel voor de burgers van de EU als ook voor het beeld dat van de EU wordt gevormt in de rest van de wereld. In dit licht menen wij dat het van essentieel belang is dat de eerste President de geest en waarden van het Europese project belichaamt.

Sinds enige tijd verbreiden zich hardnekkige geruchten over de wens, die in sommige kringen bestaat, om Tony Blair als eerste President van de Europese Unie te benoemen. Deze benoeming, zo zij plaats zou vinden, zou in complete tegenspraak zijn met de waarden die gedragen worden door het Europese project.

In schending van internationaal recht heeft Tony Blair zijn land naar een oorlog in Irak gevoerd, een oorlog die door het merendeel van de Europese burgers werd verworpen. Deze oorlog heeft honderduizenden het leven gekost en miljoenen tot vluchteling gemaakt. Het heeft in grote mate tot de destabilisering van het Midden-Oosten bijgedragen, en heeft de veiligheid van de wereld verminderd. Om zijn land ten oorlog te voeren heeft Tony Blair systematisch gebruik gemaakt van leugens en het manipuleren van informatie. Zijn rol in oorlog in Irak zou zwaar op het imago van de Unie in de wereld wegen als hij in feite tot President zou worden bemoemd.

De stappen die Tony Blair's regering heeft genomen en zijn medeplichtigheid met de administratie van George W. Bush in het illegale "extraordinary renditions" programma hebben tot een ongekende uitholling van burgerlijke vrijheden geleid. Dit is in tegenspraak met het Europees Verdrag voor de Rechten van de Mens, dat een integraal deel van het Verdrag van Lissabon uitmaakt.

Het Europese grondrechtenhandvest formaliseert de waarden die ten grondlag liggen aan het Europese project en is één van de pijlers van het nieuwe Verdrag. Tony Blair heeft tegen het opnemen van het grondrechtenhandvest in het Verdrag van Lissabon gevochten en uiteindelijk een uitzondering voor het Verenigd Koninkrijk weten te krijgen.

In plaats van de Europese integratie verder te voeren heeft de voormalige Britse premier tijdens de een aantal zogenoemde rode lijnen getrokken, met het doel om vooruitgang op het gebied van sociale politiek, belasting, gemeenschappelijke defensie en buitenlands beleid te blokkeren.

Verder schijnt het ondenkbaar dat de eerste President van de Europese Unie een vooralig hoofd van de regering zou zijn dat haar land buiten twee van de belangrijkste elementen van het Europese bouwerk heeft gehouden: de Schengen-ruimte van vrije beweging en de eurozone.

In een tijdperk waar het één van de prioriteiten van de Europese instituties is om de verbinding met de burger te herstellen vinden wij het van essentieel belang dat hun president een persoon is waarmee de meerderheid van de burgers zich kan identificeren. Daarom verklaren wij onze complete tegenstand tegen de nominatie van Tony Blair.

[Commentaar: In de Nederlandse vertaling van het Verdrag van Lissabon wordt de president van de Raad eufemistisch 'voorzitter' genoemd. Men kan het woord 'president' vertalen hoe men wil; uiteindelijk zijn toch alleen de Franse, Duitse en Engelse versies van het verdrag rechtsgeldig. In alle drie wordt de president gewoon 'president' genoemd.]


Nomad, other Dutchies: 'd's and 't's? Stylistic changes?

Expressing, declaring or affirming your 'total opposition' to something is very French, it seems to me ;-P

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 04:27:32 PM EST
als hij in feite tot President zou worden bemoemd benoemd

Silly typo. That didn't take long...
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 04:30:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Super! Thanks, nanne!

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 06:22:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Hungarian -- based on afew's version, incorporating subsequent changes except the footnotes:

Petíció Tony Blair Európai Tanács elnöki jelölése ellen

Mi, mindenféle származású és politikai meggyőződésű európai polgárok, szeretnénk kifejezni, hogy teljes mértékben elutasítjunk Tony Blair-nek az Európai Tanács elnöki tisztére történő jelölését.

A Lisszaboni Szerződés újonnan létrehozza az Európai Tanács elnöki tisztjét, eme két és fél éves időtartamra szóló, egyszer megújítható megbízatásról a Tanács szavazással dönt. A Szerződés értelmében az Európai Tanács elnöke "gondoskodik az Európai Tanács munkájának előkészítéséről és folyamatosságáról" és "elnököl az Európai Tanács ülésein, és lendületed ad munkájának". Továbbá, "Az Európai Tanács elnöke - a saját szintjén és e minőségében ... - ellátja az Unió külső
képviseletét a közös kül- és biztonságpolitikához tartozó ügyekben."

A jövendő elnök következésképp kulcsszerepet fog játszani az Únió politikájának és a világ többi részével való kapcsolatának meghatározásában. Ezen első elnökségnek nagy szimbolikus jelentőssége is lesz, mind az Európai Únió polgárai számára, mind pedig az Únió imázsára a világ többi részében. Ezt tekintetbe véve úgy hisszük, alapvetően fontos, hogy az első elnök megtestesítse az európai projekt szellemét és értékeit.

Egy ideje egyre makacsabb híresztelések utalnak arra, hogy egyes körök azt szeretnék, ha Tony Blairt neveznék ki az Európai Tanács első elnökének. E kinevezés, ha bekövetkezne, teljes ellentétben lenne az európai projekt által vallott értékekkel.

A nemzetközi törvényeket megszegve, Tony Blair elkötelezte országát egy iraki háború mellett, amit az európai polgárok nagy többsége ellenzett. E háború több százezer áldozatot követelt és milliókat tett menekültté. Hozzájárult a Közel-Kelet destabilizálásához, és aláásta a világ biztonságát. Hogy háborúba vezethesse országát, Blair rendszeresen haszált fel hazugságokat és manipulálta az információkat. Ha tényleg elnökké neveznék ki, az iraki háborúban játszott szerepe erősen rontaná az Únió imázsát a világban.

Tony Blair kormányának lépései, és a "különleges kiadatás" illegális programjában való bűnrészessége a Bush kormánnyal, a polgárjogok példa nélküli gyengüléséhez vezettek. Ez ellenkezik a Szerződés szerves részét képező Emberi Jogok Európai Egyezményének kikötéseivel.

Az Alapvető Jogok Európai Chartája formálissá teszi az európai projekt alapító értékeit, és az új Szerződés egyik alappillére. Tony Blair harcolt a Lisszaboni Szerződésbe foglalása ellen, és végül elérte, hogy az Egyesült Királyságra ne legyen érvényes.

Ahelyett, hzogy előmozdíította volna az európai integrációt, a volt brit miniszterelnök egy sor úgynevezett vörös határvonalat fektetett le a lisszaboni egyeztetések alatt, azzal a szándékkal, hogy meggátoljon bármilyen haladást a szociális ügyekben, az adóharmonizáció terén, s ugyanúgy a közös védelmi és külügyi politika terén.

Továbbá, nem tudjuk elképzelni, hogy az Európai Tanács első elnöke egy olyan volt kormányfő legyen, aki Európa építésének két fő eleméből kívül tartotta országát: a személyek szabad mozgását biztosító schengeni térségből és az Eurózónából.

Végezetül, a közelmúltban egy Financial Times/Harris közvéleménykutatás azt mutatta, hogy EU tagországok népességének nagy többsége elutasítja Tony Blairt mint elnököt. Épp olyankor, amikor az európai intézmények egyik prioritása az, hogy újra kapcsolatot teremtsen polgáraival, mi úgy hisszük, hogy alapvetően fontos, hogy elnöke olyan személy legyen, akivel a polgárok többsége azonosulni tud. Ezért kinyilvánítjuk, hogy ezt a jelöltséget teljes mértékben elutasítjunk.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 05:47:59 PM EST
I couldn't proof-read it!...;-) Thanks a lot, DoDo!

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 at 06:24:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
 
Petição contra a nomeação de Tony Blair como Presidente da União Europeia

Nós, cidadãos europeus de todas as origens e inclinações políticas, desejamos expressar a nossa oposiçao total à nomeação de Tony Blair à presidência da União Europeia.

O Tratado de Lisboa prevê a criação do cargo de Presidente do Conselho da União Europeia, eleito  pelo Conselho para um mandato de dois anos e meio, renovável uma vez. Nos termos do Tratado: “O Presidente assegura a preparação e continuidade dos trabalhos do Conselho Europeu“ e  “O Presidente preside aos trabalhos do Conselho Europeu e dinamiza esses trabalhos“. Além disso, “O Presidente do Conselho Europeu assegura, ao seu nível e nessa qualidade, a representação externa da União nas matérias do âmbito da política externa e de segurança comum“.

O futuro presidente terá assim um papel essencial na definição das políticas da União e nas relações desta com o resto do mundo. A primeira presidência possuirá um peso simbólico particular, quer para os cidadãos da União Europeia, quer para a imagem da União no resto do mundo. Nesta perspectiva, parece-nos fundamental que o primeiro presidente incarne o espírito e os valores do projecto europeu.

Desde há algum tempo, correm rumores cada vez mais insistentes do apoio, por parte de alguns quadrantes políticos, à candidatura de Tony Blair como primeiro presidente da União Europeia. Esta nomeação, a acontecer, estaria em total contradição com os valores representados pelo projecto europeu.

Em violação do direito internacional, Tony Blair envolveu o seu país numa guerra no Iraque, guerra essa à qual se opôs a maioria dos cidadãos europeus. Uma guerra que fez centenas de milhares de vítimas e provocou milhões de desalojados. Que contribuiu para uma desestabilização profunda do Médio Oriente e erodiu a segurança mundial. De modo a conduzir o seu país à guerra, fez uso sistemático da mentira e da manipulação da informação. O seu papel na guerra mundial pesaria fortemente sobre a imagem da União no mundo, caso fosse ele eleito presidente.

As medidas tomadas pelo seu governo, bem como a sua cumplicidade com a administração Bush no programa ilegal de “entregas extraordinárias“ (também conhecido como “vôos da CIA“) resultaram num recuo sem precedentes das liberdades civis, em contradição com os termos da Convenção Europeia dos Direitos do Homem, a qual é parte integrante do Tratado.

A Carta Europeia dos Direitos Fundamentais formaliza os valores fundadores do projecto europeu e constitui um dos pilares do novo tratado. Tony Blair lutou contra a sua integração no Tratado de Lisboa, e eventualmente assegurou que não fosse aplicada no Reino Unido.

Ao invês de promover a integração europeia, o antigo primeiro-ministro britânico impôs uma série de “linhas vermelhas“ durante a negciação do tratado, com o intuito de bloquear qualquer progresso  nas questões sociais e fiscais, bem como na política externa e de segurança comum.

Finalmente, parece-nos impensável que o primeiro presidente da União Europeia seja o antigo chefe de um governo que tenha mantido o seu país de fora de dois elementos chaves da construção da Europa: a zona Schengen de livre circulação de pessoas e a zona Euro.

No momento em que uma das prioridades das instituições europeias é a reaproximação aos seus cidadãos, parece-nos essencial que o eleito seja uma personalidade com a qual a maioria dos cidadãos possa identificar-se. Daí afirmarmos a nossa total oposição a esta nomeação.

Our portuguese-speaking members may wish to confront the quotes to the treaty's portuguese version. I am not sure if the reference to the extraordinary rendition flights shouldn't be shorter.

by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 12:55:36 AM EST
The remarks that I have made just after the translation referred to the translation process (based on the updated version). Now I address the petition's substance:
Remember that Blair prevented from the start a joint european standing on the eve of the Iraq's war. Therefore consider adding something like.

"As chief of government, Tony Blair acted preemptively
to make a common european standing on a major crisis, in Iraq, both unreachable and irrelevant. Can there be a worst credential for a candidate to represent our common security and foreign policy?

by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 01:20:39 AM EST
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bad mistake. one should not identify Tony Blair's country. In The last but four paragraph one should substitute "... Reino Unido." by "... seu país." (his country).
by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 01:28:53 AM EST
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Thanks a lot, FMADIS!

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 03:18:53 AM EST
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FMADIS? even the abreviation is lenghty... {87|)
by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 07:04:24 AM EST
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Petition gegen die Nominierung von Tony Blair zum Präsidenten der Europäischen Union.

Wir, die europäischen Bürger jeglicher Herkunft und aller politischer Lager möchten unseren Widerstand gegen die Nominierung von Tony Blair zum Präsidenten des Europäischen Rates deutlich zum Ausdruck bringen.

Im Rahmen des Vertrags von Lissabon ist vorgesehen, das Amt des Vorsitzenden des Europäischen Rates einzuführen, gewählt von den Mitgliedern des Rates für maximal zwei Amtszeiten von je zweieinhalb Jahren Dauer. Laut den Bestimmungen des EG-Vertrags sorgt der Präsident "für die Vorbereitung und Kontinuität der Arbeiten des Europäischen Rates", "führt den Vorsitz bei den Arbeiten des Europäischen Rates und gibt ihnen Impulse" und "nimmt auf seiner Ebene die Außenvertretung der Union in Angelegenheiten der Gemeinsamen Außen- und Sicherheitspolitik wahr".

Der künftige Präsident wird also eine wichtige Rolle bei der Festlegung der Politik der Europäischen Union und in ihren Außenbeziehungen einnehmen. Der ersten Präsidentschaft kommt auch ein großes symbolisches Gewicht zu, sowohl für die Bürger der Europäischen Union als auch für das Ansehen der Union in der Welt. Aus dieser Perspektive erscheint es uns wichtig, dass der erste Präsident den Geist und die Werte des europäischen Projekts angemessen verkörpert.

Seit einiger Zeit mehren sich hartnäckige Gerüchte, dass manche den Wunsch hegen, Tony Blair zum ersten Präsident des Europäischen Rates zu wählen. Diese Nominierung stünde in krassem Widerspruch zu den Grundwerten des europäischen Projektes.

Tony Blair hat sein Land unter Verletzung des Völkerrechts in einen Krieg geführt, dem eine große Mehrheit der europäischen Bürger sehr kritisch gegenüberstand. Dieser Krieg führte zu Hunderttausenden von Opfern, Millionen von Flüchtlingen und trug zur Destabilisierung des Mittleren Ostens sowie zu einer verschärften Weltsicherheitslage bei. Um sein Land in den Krieg führen zu können, bediente er sich in systematischer Weise Lügen und der Manipulation von Informationen. Würde er tatsächlich zum Präsidenten des Rates ernannt, so belastete seine Rolle im Irakkrieg daher das Image der Union in der Welt nachhaltig.

Die Maßnahmen, die die Regierung von Tony Blair getroffen hat, insbesondere seine Komplizenschaft mit der Bush-Administration im Rahmen des illegalen Programms der "Sonderüberstellungen" (CIA- Flüge) stellen eine beispiellose Einschränkung der Freiheiten der europäischen Bürger dar und stehen im Widerspruch zu den Bestimmungen der Europäischen Konvention zum Schutz der Menschenrechte, die integraler Bestandteil des Vertrages ist.

Die Europäische Charta der Grundrechte formalisiert die Grundwerte des europäischen Projekts und ist eine der Säulen des neuen Vertrags. Tony Blair hat ihre Integration in den Vertrag von Lissabon bekämpft und letztlich erreicht, dass die Charta im Vereinigten Königreich nicht gültig ist.

Statt die europäische Integration voranzutreiben, stemmte sich der ehemalige britische Premierminister während der Vertragsverhandlungen gegen jeden Fortschritt auf den Gebieten der Sozialpolitik, der Steuern, der gemeinsamen Verteidigung und der Außenpolitik.

Außerdem können wir es uns nur schwer vorstellen, dass der erste Präsident der Europäischen Union der ehemalige Regierungschef eines Staates ist, der an zwei Schlüsselelementen des europäischen Projekts nicht beteiligt ist, nämlich am Schengen-Raum des freien Personenverkehrs und an der Währungsunion.

Zu einer Zeit, in der es eine der Prioritäten der europäischen Institutionen ist, sich den Bürgern anzunähern, erscheint es uns als unabdingbar, dass an ihrer Spitze ein Präsident steht, mit der sich eine Mehrheit der Bürger identifizieren kann. Deshalb bekräftigen wir unseren ausdrücklichen Widerstand gegen diese Nominierung.



"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 12:57:30 AM EST
Thanks again, Turambar!

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 03:17:48 AM EST
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Since I don't speak French, I've translated from the English version. I have also swapped some of the quotes around in order to match the ordering given in the Danish translation of the treaty, where this does not disturb the sense of the paragraph in question.

Underskriftindsamling imod nomineringen af Tony Blair til formand for den Europæiske Union

Vi, de undertegnede europæiske borgere, ønsker uafhængigt af vor oprindelse og politiske tilknytning i øvrigt at udtrykke vor udelte modstand imod nomineringen af Tony Blair til posten som præsident for den Europæiske Union.

Under Lissabontraktaten oprettes formandsposten for det Europæiske Råd som en ny tillidspost i EU. Formanden vælges af Rådet og har et mandat der strækker sig over to et halvt år og højst kan fornyes en gang. Traktaten fastslår at formanden bl.a. "leder Det Europæiske Råds arbejde og giver det fremdrift" og "sikrer forberedelsen og kontinuiteten af Det Europæiske Råds arbejde". Ydermere fastslår traktaten at "Det Europæiske Råds formand varetager i denne egenskab på sit niveau Unionens repræsentation udadtil på de områder, der hører under den fælles udenrigs- og sikkerhedspolitik".

Den fremtidige formand vil således have en nøglerole i udformningen af Unionens politik overfor, og relationer til, resten af verden. Det første formandskab vil desuden have stor signalværdi for såvel den Europæiske Unions borgere som resten af verden. Givet disse overvejelser mener vi at det er af største betydning at denne første formand afspejler ånden og værdierne i det europæiske projekt.

Der har nu i et stykke tid cirkuleret stadig stærkere rygter der indikerer et ønske, i visse kredse, om at se Tony Blair udpeget som den første formand for den Europæiske Union. En sådan udpegelse ville være aldeles i modstrid med de værdier der ligger til grund for det europæiske projekt

Tony Blair trak, i strid med international lov, sit land ind i en krig i Irak som et massivt flertal af Europas borgere var og er modstandere af. Denne krig har kostet i hundredetusindvis døde og sårede civile og har drevet millioner på flugt. Den har bidraget til en dyb destabilisering af Mellemøsten og skadet fred og sikkerhed i verden. I optakten til krigen løg og misinformerede Blair systematisk offentligheden. Hans rolle i Irak ville virke stærkt tyngende på Unionens gode navn og rygte i verden såfremt han blev udpeget til formand.

De skridt Tony Blairs regering siden har taget i "krigen mod terror," såvel som hans meddelagtighed i George Bushs ulovlige fængslinger, har ført til hidtil usete indgreb i de demokratiske frihedsrettigheder. Dette er i direkte modstrid med den Europæiske Menneskerettighedskonvention, der er en central del af Lissabontraktaten.

Den Europæiske Unions charter om grundlæggende rettigheder formaliserer de grundlæggende værdier i det europæiske projekt og er en vigtig del af fundamentet for den nye traktat. Tony Blair kæmpede imod chartrets indlemmelse i Lissabontraktaten og sikrede i sidste ende Storbritannien et forbehold overfor forpligtelserne i chartret.

I stedet for at fremme europæisk integration opstillede den tidligere britiske premierminister en række såkaldt 'røde linier' under forhandlingerne om Lissabontraktaten, med den hensigt at blokere alle fremskridt indenfor social- og skattepolitik, såvel som forhindre den europæiske union i at formulere en fælles udenrigs- og sikkerhedspolitik.

Ydermere forekommer det utænkeligt at den første formand for den Europæiske Union skulle være en tidligere statsleder hvis regering holdt sit land udenfor to vigtige dele af det europæiske samarbejde: Eurozonen og Schengen-samarbejdet om fri bevægelighed over grænserne.

I en tid hvor et af de højt prioriterede områder indenfor det europæiske samarbejde er at genskabe kontakten mellem Unionens institutioner og Europas borgere mener vi at det er af største vigtighed at formanden er en person som ikke vækker antipati hos flertallet af europæiske borgere.

Af ovennævnte grunde erklærer vi vor udelte modstand imod Tony Blairs nominering.

Hope this helps,

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 02:18:33 AM EST
Sure it helps! Thanks, Jake!

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 03:16:52 AM EST
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Sorry I wasn't around till now, but the English draft looks good to me.

My only suggestion (which may or may not impact the different translations):

In Paragraph 5, for

It contributed to destabilising deeply the Middle East, and eroded world security. In order to lead his country into war, he made systematic use of lies and the manipulation of information.

read:

It has been a major factor in today's profound destabilisation of the Middle East, and has weakened rather than strengthened world security.  In order to lead his country into war, Mr Blair made systematic use of fabricated evidence and the manipulation of information.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 05:42:52 AM EST
Not to be a nuisance, but I'd like to insist a little on this edit.

Mainly on "fabricated evidence" in place of "lies".

Why? I think we'd all agree that we think Bliar is a liar. We're sure he knowingly sanctioned the use of false information, indeed that he helped organize it with Washington.

But "lies" does mean using false information knowingly. It implies volition. And we can't prove volition. We can show evidence was fabricated, "fixed around the policy", but not that Blair deliberately intended to lie.

It may feel good to call a spade a spade. But we want this petition to go somewhere, we want as many signatories as possible. I think we should avoid offering a handle for accusations, or simply perceptions, of extremism.

It seems to me that in the (those I can understand!) translations (great work, everyone!) "lies" has been translated straight by the equivalent word. I do suggest we tone it down to "fabricated evidence".

If everyone wants to put "lies", I'll still sign! What bothers me is we might lose other signatories because of it.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 06:28:58 AM EST
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I agree with this: we shouldn't say anything that could detract from the "credibility" of the petition.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 09:53:21 AM EST
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If we set up an independent site, we'll need translations not only of the petition text, but also of a few other things like instructions to sign the petition, mail sent to individuals, and various other small texts... Try not to lose contact with the translators, especially for those more esoteric, rare languages we don't seem to have on ET, like Italian or Polish...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 at 08:14:10 AM EST
First, in paragraph eight:
Rather than move European integration forward, the former British Prime Minister set a series of so-called red lines during the Lisbon negotiations, with the intent of blocking any progress in social issues and tax as well as common defence and foreign policy.
do we mean "tax harmonization"? Do we mean "taxation". I used "tax harmonization" in the updated Spanish version.

Now, At the risk of being fastidious about this, I really have a problem with adopting the narrative that the President of the Council is the President of the European Union. It is clear to some commentators and should be clear to all that there will be four top jobs to be filled, three of which with the title of "President" and one of which up to now identified as "President of the EU":

  • President of the European Commission
  • President of the European Council
  • President of the European Parliament
  • High Representative for the common Foreign and Security Policy

In this vein, I think "President" should be replaced with "President of the Council" wherever there is any ambiguity or the context includes the EU as a whole. In the title, I would put President of the European Union in scare quotes. Therefore:

In the title

Petition against the nomination of Tony Blair as "President of the European Union".
with scare quotes.

In the first paragraph

We, European citizens of all origins and of all political persuasions wish to express our total opposition to the nomination of Tony Blair to the Presidency of the Council of the European Union.
Full title, including the word council explicitly.

In the fourth paragraph:

... increasingly insistent rumours have instanced a wish, in some quarters, to see Tony Blair appointed the first "President of the European Union"...
Scare quotes.

In paragraph nine:

... it seems unthinkable that the first President of the European UnionCouncil should be the former head of a government that kept its country out of two key elements of the construction of Europe ...

And in the concluding paragraph:

At a time when one of the priorities of the European institutions of the European Union is to reconnect with its citizens, we believe it is essential that its the Council's President should be a person with which a majority of citizens can identify.
Apart from the grammatical inconsistency of having its (singular) refer back to European institutions (plural), he is not going to be the President of all the institutions, nor of the EU as a whole.

This may sound like nitpicking but you don't fight narratives without carefully picking every word.

As I wrote this I realised that we don't want Blair representing the EU in any capacity. We could be successful in blocking him as President of the Council but they might say "okay, let's make him Commission President or (worse!) 'Mr. CFSP'". I think we should find a way to block him from all four two jobs. This becomes too clumsy in the opening paragraph, but in the last paragraph it has a place since we mention all the European institutions. We could say

At a time when one of the priorities of the Institutions of the European Union is to reconnect with citizens, we believe it is essential that all of the four top dignataries, the Presidents of the Commission, Council and Parliament and the High Representative for the CFSP, should be people with which a majority of citizens can identify.
That way we block Blair from any EU job. In fact, the High Representative job might be more to his liking and a continuation of his current stint as Middle East envoy.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 06:19:34 AM EST
"harmonisation" was in the earlier draft and got forgotten. It should be:

progress in social issues and tax as well as common defence and foreign policy harmonisation.

I particularly agree with your final point: we should oppose his nomination to any major post in the EU.

While we're nitpicking: dignataries dignitaries.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 06:42:33 AM EST
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Eh, 'common' and 'harmonisation' seems redundant, should it not be rather

progress in social issues and tax harmonisation as well as common defence and foreign policy.

?

Melanchthon, are you around? We should really have a final draft for the English version today, and then ask all our translators to update theirs.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 07:12:12 AM EST
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Okay, I just inserted a new English version with the changes discussed herein into the diary, just below the fold.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 09:22:07 AM EST
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I added in the "instanced" edit I suggested.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 10:36:52 AM EST
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I already applied the President of the European Council in the Hungarian version. I think we should have that even in the first paragraph instead of the longer version.

dignitaries... should be people with whichwhom a majority of citizens

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 07:17:25 AM EST
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One more thing, asking afew:

increasingly insistent rumours have instanced a wish

This "instanced" sounds to me, I don't know, somehow upper-class. Worse, I had to look it up in the dictionary. Is it just me, or would there be a more common-language variant?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 07:20:36 AM EST
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Actually, "rumours" is part of the problem here. It's not rumours, since there are news items about people willing to back Blair etc. How about :

increasingly detailed news items have made evident a wish...

(Though "instanced" is not a good choice, I don't think there's an "upper-class/lower-class" issue here. The language of a petition should be as exact as possible, that's all. If you deliberately write it in tabloidese, the kind of people who sign petitions will take no notice of it - sorry if that sounds snobbish, but it's a fact).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 09:36:24 AM EST
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I'll put up an Italian version later today (Sunday). It's almost done but I must be off for an errand.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 08:50:13 AM EST
Here is the latest most inistent rumour:

I'll be president of Europe if you give me the power - Blair | Special Reports | Guardian Unlimited Politics

Tony Blair has been holding discussions with some of his oldest allies on how he could mount a campaign later this year to become full-time president of the EU council, the prestigious new job characterised as "president of Europe". Blair, currently the Middle East envoy for the US, Russia, EU and the UN, has told friends he has made no final decision, but is increasingly willing to put himself forward for the job if it comes with real powers to intervene in defence and trade affairs.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 09:23:00 AM EST
Hahahahah! "has told friends he has made no final decision," What a political animal!
by The3rdColumn on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 01:23:01 PM EST
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Here's an Italian version. There are some minor changes that appear better in Italian than a literal translation. I've noticed in reading the treaty that there are no provisions or norms for "nomination" or "candidatura." The president is elected by the majority of Council members.(I imagine this opens a discussion on whether he's entitled to be a candidate or not along with others.)

Also I qualified "exemption for the UK" as an "esenzione giurisdizionale" since that is what the treaty says. The UK can't be dragged before European Courts if its laws concerning human rights contrast with those of the Union.

In the paragraph on "extraordinary renditions" I have spelled out in full the Convention (Convenzione europea per la salvaguardia dei diritti dell'uomo e delle libertà fondamentali) as in the Treaty's protocols and therefore changed the preceding phrase to "...,have led to an unprecedented decline in liberties and civil rights,..."

Whatever, we can discuss these fine points in the next diary.


Petizione contro la candidatura di Tony Blair come Presidente dell'Unione europea

Noi, cittadini europei di ogni origine e appartenenza politica, desideriamo esprimere la nostra totale opposizione alla candidatura di Tony Blair alla presidenza dell'Unione Europea.

Il Trattato di Lisbona istituisce una nuova figura istituzionale: il presidente del consiglio dell'Unione europea eletto dal Consiglio con mandato di due anni e mezzo rinnovabile una sola volta.  In base al trattato, il presidente "presiede e anima i lavori del Consiglio europeo;" e "assicura la preparazione e la continuità dei lavori del Consiglio europeo [...]" Inoltre, "Il presidente del Consiglio europeo assicura, al suo livello e in tale veste, la rappresentanza esterna dell'Unione per le materie relative alla politica estera e di sicurezza comune, [...]"

Il futuro presidente avrà dunque un ruolo chiave nel determinare la politica dell'Unione e nei rapporti con il resto del mondo. La prima investitura avrà un peso simbolico maggiore sia per i cittadini dell'Unione europea sia per l'immagine dell'Unione nel mondo. In tale prospettiva, crediamo che sia essenziale che il primo presidente incarni lo spirito e i valori del progetto europeo.

Da tempo voci insistenti esprimono il volere, in certi ambienti, di vedere Tony Blair scelto come primo presidente dell'Unione europea. Tale elezione, qualora dovesse accadere, sarebbe in totale contrasto con i valori professati nel progetto europeo.

In  violazione della legge internazionale, Tony Blair ha impegnato il suo paese nella guerra in Iraq, una guerra osteggiata dalla stragrande maggioranza dei cittadini europei. La guerra ha mietuto centinaia di migliaia di vittime e ha creato milioni di rifugiati. La guerra ha contribuito a destabilizzare il Medio Oriente e a erodere la sicurezza mondiale. Per portare il suo paese in guerra, Tony Blair ha fatto un uso sistematico della menzogna  e della manipolazione dell'informazione. Il suo ruolo nella guerra in Iraq peserebbe negativamente sull'immagine dell'Unione nel mondo qualora fosse eletto presidente.

I passi presi dal governo di Tony Blair e la sua complicità con l'amministrazione Bush nel programma illegale delle "extraordinary renditions" (consegne straordinarie), ha portato a un declino senza precedenti delle libertà e dei diritti civili, palesemente in contrasto con le norme della Convenzione europea per la salvaguardia dei diritti dell'uomo e delle libertà fondamentali che è parte integrante del trattato.

La Carta dei diritti fondamentali dell'Unione europea formalizza i valori fondanti del progetto europeo ed è uno dei pilastri del nuovo trattato. Tony Blair ha osteggiato la sua inclusione nel Trattato di Lisbona e ha strappato un'esenzione giurisdizionale per il Regno Unito.

Invece di promuovere l'integrazione europea, l'ex primo ministro ha posto dei pesanti paletti durante le trattative a Lisbona con l'intento di bloccare qualsiasi progresso su temi sociali e in materia di tassazione nonché sulla difesa comune e la politica estera.

Inoltre appare insensato che il primo presidente dell'Unione europea sia stato in precedenza il capo di un governo che ha tenuto il suo paese fuori da due pilastri fondamentali della costruzione europea: la zona Schengen che regola il movimento libero dei popoli e l'Eurozone.

In un momento storico in cui una delle priorità delle istituzioni europee è di rinsaldare il contatto con i propri cittadini, ci pare essenziale che il presidente debba essere una personalità nella quale la maggioranza dei cittadini possa identificarsi. Per tanto, dichiariamo la nostra netta opposizione a questa candidatura.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 04:52:41 PM EST

"...to see Tony Blair appointed the first President of the European Council. This appointment, were it to take place, would be in total contradiction with the values professed by the European project."

Article 9B, point 5 says that the president is elected by a qualified majority of the European Council.

Anyone can be nominated. The bottom line is who can muster a qualified majority. Tony Blair can lobby all he wants with members of the European Council. With this in mind, the goal should shift to petitioning European Council members.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 05:18:38 PM EST
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thanks a lot, de Gondi! We can pursue the discussion in the next diary: Phase 2: Petition against a Tony Blair presidency

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 at 06:45:59 PM EST
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