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Wednesday Open Thread

by In Wales Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 12:44:03 PM EST

A pictureless thread!


Colour it in yourself.

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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 12:47:33 PM EST
Ah thank you, that's lovely.  My definition of purple seems to be much broader than for others.  Apparently I count too much blue as still being purple.  That picture reminded me.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 12:59:15 PM EST
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So how far round? from the pink one on the right I'd count the next ten as being the purple/blue boundary. how far for you?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:03:12 PM EST
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if you then go round another 11 then there's another three I'm uncertain about.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:06:24 PM EST
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I count about 11 plus a few in the pinky-red section.
I have a distinct memory of arguing over the colour of a little plastic hairbrush that I said was obviously purple and my friend said was obviously blue.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:10:51 PM EST
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Actually - depending on the colour profile - this ring is very short on blues.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:29:52 PM EST
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One for DoDo spotted!

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:00:00 PM EST
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Thought you'd find it interesting.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:04:28 PM EST
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you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:21:27 PM EST
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As anyone already seen this movie or read the book? Adds for it are jumping up all over the net.

Second thoughts on Charlie Wilson's War
By Chalmers Johnson  - Asia Times Online

I have some personal knowledge of Congressmen like Charlie Wilson (Democrat - 2nd District, Texas, 1973-1996) because, for close to 20 years, my representative in the 50th Congressional District of California was Republican Randy "Duke" Cunningham, now serving an eight-and-a-half year prison sentence for soliciting and receiving bribes from defense contractors.

Wilson and Cunningham held exactly the same plummy committee assignments in the House of Representatives - the Defense Appropriations Sub-committee plus the Intelligence Oversight Committee - from which they could dole out large sums

Both men flagrantly abused their positions - but with radically different consequences. Cunningham went to jail because he was too stupid to know how to game the system - retire and become a lobbyist - whereas Wilson received the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Clandestine Service's first "honored colleague" award ever given to an outsider and went on to become a US$360,000 per annum lobbyist for Pakistan.
by Fran on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:03:08 PM EST
I've seen net adverts for it. They look a bit severe. Haven't seen any reviews though, or the film.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:12:10 PM EST
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The thing is that the film's narrative is very carefully closed to avoid anybody asking "So what happened next ?". that would be embarrassing and spoil the neatly wrapped good ole boys havin' fun beatin' them there godless commies story.

the final paragraph of that review really sums it up.

Simply put, it is imperialist propaganda and the tragedy is that four-and-a-half years after we invaded Iraq and destroyed it, such dangerously misleading nonsense is still being offered to a gullible public. The most accurate review so far is James Rocchi's summing-up for Cinematical: "Charlie Wilson's War isn't just bad history; it feels even more malign, like a conscious attempt to induce amnesia."


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:53:43 PM EST
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Proof that Tom Hanks can sell anything, though, I guess.

I don't know.  Last I looked, not many people were attending movies.  So you figure, in return for spewing this bile on the public, the studio can be driven bankrupt by college kids downloading it.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:30:51 PM EST
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Diaried here.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:29:27 PM EST
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Enya: March of the Celts (from the original BBC documentary):

From the same album: Aldebaran:



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:13:11 PM EST
Two more versions for the latter, these are't cut short:

With astronomical photos:

With Enya herself in concert (a bit low-volume):



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:17:14 PM EST
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Dvořák: New World Symphony, acts 3 & 4

I listened to this when reading Verne's Eight Hundred Leagues on the Amazon at a tender age. But even today it makes me think of the Amazon, though it was written about the USA.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:40:52 PM EST
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Oh my word!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 07:20:12 PM EST
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That first one--fantastic!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 07:18:23 PM EST
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For celebrity-starved Americans:

Victoria Beckham: Worst dressed of year

Johnny Depp to Play Stalin in a Documentary

Sacha Baron Cohen to take on Abbie Hoffman for Spielberg


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:21:30 PM EST
did I mention that when I was at the WOMAD festival this summer there was a guy wandering about who was a dead spit of johnny depp. You could hear it in mentioned in loads of conversations as you walked about. But assuming it couldn't be the man we all just pitied somebody so determined to put on the style.

I saw a month later he said he was there.....bah !!!

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:38:47 PM EST
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Samuel L. Jackson, who is a Sumway commuter, remarked on The Daily Show that he constantly gets told he looks like Samuel L. Jackson.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:43:08 PM EST
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One of them picked me up hitchhiking at the Sundance Filmfest one year.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:46:07 PM EST
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one of the Samuel L Jacksons? How many are there?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:50:50 PM EST
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At least two.  Dave Chappelle's has got to count.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:22:02 PM EST
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Oh, and for Helen, don't feel so bad.  I was at Johnny Depp's club in LA for a concert by John Trudell and Bad Dog, and was transfixed by one of my heroes on stage.  After the show my then-girlfriend asks me why i didn't talk to the guy who stood next to me the whole show.  Said i didn't see him.  Idiot, that was Johnny Depp.  Oh.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:51:30 PM EST
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Here is a vintage ET exchange on Brushes With Fame: includes Izzy meets Springsteen, whataboutbob meets Jerry Garcia, and Nearly Normal and I meet Bob Dylan.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:21:01 PM EST
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I have never been cool enough to have brushes with famous people, not of the non-political variety.  Let's see.  I had cheesecake with Charlton Heston.  Gah!  <<shudder>>  That's probably as celeb as it gets for me.  Stopping to chat with Mary Oliver walking along the beach, and playing with her dog, was enough to make me giddy for a week.  Oh, wait.  I once had an argument with Robert Altman.  That should count for something.  But nothing so cool as Bob Dylan or Johnny Depp.  My brother, on the other hand, has gone to strip clubs with Trent Reznor...

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:38:55 PM EST
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No idea who Trent Reznor is. But I know Altman! What did you argue with him about? Being a mysogynist in disguise?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:42:02 PM EST
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Yes!  That's EXACTLY what I argued with him about!  Are you psychic?  

Trent Reznor was the lead singer for rock band Nine Inch Nails.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:44:22 PM EST
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<whack> turns out I do know Reznor.

That about Altman, was my own thinking of him, and given your feminism, I thought you'd see it similarly.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:17:31 PM EST
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Um, my only encounter with any kind of person of fame was with Hal Hartley (a movie director) after a preview screening of No such thing. I went with L., who is the real movie fanatic, and admirer of Hal. I was just there for company. The movie was quite good for a while, but then it sort of got off track and the ending was just off and no good at all. After fetching our bikes L. spots him and says:

"Wow, that Hal Hartley"
Me: "Who's that??"
L, with slight impatience: "The guy who directed and wrote the movie we just saw. He is probably here to get the audience reactions before release."
Me: "Really? We should go talk to him. And tell him he needs to fix his movie, maybe he can change it?".
L: "No, let's not. It will be awful! Embarrassing for all!!"
Me: "But he is here for audience reactions! I'm audience. I have reactions!"

So, I approach him, introduce myself, and try to compliment him on his film before adding my critique and request that he rewrites and reshoots part of it. Hal kind of looks at the ground, mumbles, something, he knows the end is wrong, but, but... The guy who's with him seems perplexed, and asks if we filled out the reaction cards, some kind of put off I think. I say, "yes, of course" and try to actually have a conversation with them about the move again, making some helpful suggestions. Failure all around! Hal is whisked away.

L: See! It was terribly embarrassing for all!
Me: What? No way! I didn't find it embarrassing. A bit awkward maybe. But not much more than other conversations.
L: Okay. It was embarrassing to everyone but you! You are a terrible person. Doing that to poor Hal. I like his movies. He's a good director. He can't just reshoot, it doesn't work like that.
Me: But the end was no good. Anyway, it was funny, this little encounter. He shouldn't come for audience reactions unless he wants them.
L: Well, he didn't want them one on one, in person, like this! That's what the cards are for! But, you are right. It was funny.
Me: Fuck the cards! There was no space for elaborating all the problems with that ending! And this little diddy here was a much better ending to the evening than the one he managed in his movie! If the professionally produced stuff can't provide, we just have to supply our own.
L: Let's go home and tell everyone the story. Then it'll be worth it. And everyone will agree with me that you are a horrible person.
Me: Okay! Sounds like fun!

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:38:45 PM EST
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What film?

did it get changed?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:41:19 PM EST
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No such thing. I didn't watch it again to check.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:49:05 PM EST
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To write this without a spoiler alert:

The ending of the movie has goggles, a cigar, a machine with magnifying glasses and cuts into Sarah Polley's pretty face (blue haze effect).

I did see Sarah Polley speak at the screening of her wonderful movie Away From Her.

Of course, I should have gone up to her and said "hey awesome movie, I just thought the references to that Atom Eyogan and one Isabel de Coixet flick were a bit too obvious for people who are obsessed with your acting career". But I didn't.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 06:00:09 PM EST
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Scene from the Berlin film festival last year. The other one, which I still regret, was not waiting in line for over an hour and a half for the open tickets for 2 Days in Paris but going off to get something to eat, to come back, wait again, and find it sold out with only 10 people before me.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 06:07:19 PM EST
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My only direct brush with fame was getting into dispute with a neo-Nazi leader, who led a counter-protest at a media freedom protest rally. Eh...

Of other prominent persons I met, the only one at least Fran might know was TV presenter Max Schautzer on a walk in Cologne.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:14:30 PM EST
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Brushes with Fame?

When I was at school I lived in the same house, and ended up cleaning the shoes of the Guy who went on to be the Bass player from the Human League.  I also was in the same year at school as Andy Bell from Erasure, and with him once ended up defending another guy from a group of cows in the middle of a field.

My Mothers parents used to be a singing act at working mens clubs. They took a young lad out on his first public performances. This lad grew up to become Jim Dale, known in the UK for his part in the Carry-on films, and in the US as the reader for the Audiobooks of the Harry Potter series amongst other things.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:31:54 PM EST
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Did the Human League have a bass player? I thought it was all synths, all the time.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:18:55 PM EST
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Well he is credited as plying bass  on a couple of albums. although other places say he was recruited to play synths.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:32:18 PM EST
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afew, thanks for that, those are great "brushes" stories.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:25:02 PM EST
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I once met Jérômaparis himself. He was having lunch with a bunch of strange people in an Italian restaurant in Paris. They looked like some kind of bizarre sect.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:40:52 PM EST
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"People see me on the street/They just can't remember how to act/Their minds are filled with big ideas/images and distorted facts..."Dylan, Idiot Wind.

I'm sure its literally true, trying to be cool makes you sort of goofy I suspect.  I like the Zappa story downthread.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson

by NearlyNormal on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 08:38:24 PM EST
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Good to see you here, NearlyNormal!



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 08:43:23 PM EST
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autofrahns, Yeah!



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 08:55:23 PM EST
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It cuts off suddenly, but what music!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 09:01:12 PM EST
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Thanks, I really like this place.  Makes me hopeful.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 09:43:37 PM EST
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It gets to all of us. Theres a story about Billy Conolly which he told on a late night chat shows.  When he was  making films and TV in LA ended up living just up the street from Frank Zappa, who he'd been a fan of for many years. Every day he'd take his dog out for a walk in thehope of "Casually" running into Frank, but was too star struck to actually knock on his door. A couple of months after he moved in having failed to meet up Frank died of Cancer and so he  never got to meet him., however the dog was used to the route so he carried on going there. a few weeks later when he was walking past, Franks wife ran down to him one day as he passed and said "Are you Billy Conolly? Frank was one of your biggest fans!

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:50:13 PM EST
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The real you?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:02:39 PM EST
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SuBway.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:55:18 PM EST
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David Bowie uses the Tube in London all the time. Boasts about it. A trilby and a foreign language newspaper is all it takes.

Never seen him tho'.

however, I did once push my way right through the middle of the spice girls ..before they were famous

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:59:59 PM EST
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I saw Feargal Sharkey on the tube once.

Because I sometimes interview people, I've met a reasonable selection of B-List celebs. But - people are people. I'm not good at getting star-struck.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:23:07 PM EST
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I've been thinking for hours, I'm sure I have a story, what is it? Now I remember.

I was in a bar with Kylie Minogue in Casablanca about 3 years ago.  Ok, not with Kylie but just across from her.  She is very small.  I didn't even notice her and my friend was coming back from the toilet and mouthing "look who's over there.... loooooook" and I looked and couldn't see who it was at first.  Then I realised it was Kylie with her French boyf at the time.

A bunch of French tourists came in and spotted him, asking for autographs etc and nobody recognised Kylie.

I don't know if I get star struck but I'm more inclined to think if that they'd probably prefer to be left in peace.  So I don't go up to them.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:31:13 PM EST
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I'm not good at getting star-struck

Working at the BBC you see a fair few famous people, but not as many as you might expect. The only time I did get remotely star-struck was when I shared a lift with Ian Wright (famous footballer), he noticed I was trying not to react and gently took the piss. A good memory.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:37:34 PM EST
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I can think of a few famous people who I knew or met. When we were playing John Water's PINK FLAMINGOS at the Biograph for midnight shows we had a one year anniversary party and the whole crew showed up including Waters, Edie and Divine. Divine left a huge autograph in the projection booth which was there until we closed.
We also had the Black Panthers speaking when we were playing one of their films (about 1970- I don't remember very well,) but I do remember my ex wife getting in an argument with several of the Panthers- she was an ex- civil rights activist in the early sixties and she thought the violence talk was a loser for the cause.
I also lived next door to Sentor William Fullbright for about 20 years,and became friendly with him after his wife died. I asked him one time how he could have voted for the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. He said at that time he could not believe that the president could lie to the Congress. I thought that was rather naive.


Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:55:56 PM EST
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That reminds me, I should check whether Maggie Gyllenhaal was in an Amsterdam disco between Christmas and New Year...
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:35:52 PM EST
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She's so distinctive looking, surely there can't be a spitting image of her?!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:43:37 PM EST
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You're forgetting the alcohol component.

But the sizes match. 5'9.

Oh man.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:54:09 PM EST
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I was thinking Depp made no sense until I read young Stalin. Otherwise I think they'd need to convince Daniel Day Lewis to do more than one film every five years.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:30:03 PM EST
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Speaking of which, I really want to see There Will Be Blood.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:40:43 PM EST
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in cloudy northern California, Edwards coming in 3rd sucks, but the Obamabandwagon seems to have lost a wheel so that is a good thing.  I just wanted to thank all you guys for being here (there, actually, I guess) and giving a window on the world that is not focused on this process.  I lose perspective sometimes.  I'd like to be setting in Le Medieval at the foot of Saint-Emilion right now having Coq au Vin, accompanied by a nice wine and a stroll back through the little streets to the Cardinal during this quiet season while the vines sleep.

Instead I'm heading back to court to argue with the Prosecution about some kid's transgressions.  Shoulda been a piano player at a whorehouse or something else respectable.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson

by NearlyNormal on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:31:49 PM EST
I just wanted to thank all you guys for being here (there, actually, I guess) and giving a window on the world that is not focused on this process.

Which ET website have you been visiting ? This place (including yours truly) has been obsessed with it.

But can you play a piano ? that was always my handicap when going for that job.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:36:36 PM EST
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That hasn't been all we've talked about though. There are other conversations going on. Like one upthread on crayons and colours, and uh...

I can't play the piano either. darn it.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:43:09 PM EST
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but if that job's going you're willing to learn?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:52:16 PM EST
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They'll hire a migrant worker, it's cheaper.
Can't have a piano player in a whorehouse demanding their rights be respected.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:58:02 PM EST
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I'd guess Total Quality isn't a top priority.

It's not like anyone is going to be visiting for the music.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:08:33 PM EST
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As long as you bang out a good rythm to get the customers going.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:12:36 PM EST
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* Thump thump thump thump thumpthumpthumpthump *
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:16:46 PM EST
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Here too, shop owners here seem to think that loud thumping techno music attracts the young and the would-be-young. It more works as a turnoff for me.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:19:29 PM EST
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Er - what kind of shop owners?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:25:36 PM EST
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Clothes, sportswear, electronic media. All that is trendy.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:50:53 PM EST
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12 bar blues probably too long, eh?

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:20:38 PM EST
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unless the customer has This then you might need to be able to play the whole of Wagners Ring cycle.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:49:03 PM EST
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Well I play a pretty limited piano, but with gusto!

There are at least a few other things going on here.  Its the most important election that I remember, but damn, I'm thinking about it way too much.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson

by NearlyNormal on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:58:37 PM EST
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Well I just ran away from French TV that's talking about... Guess what...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:05:52 PM EST
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The Wedding or The Chirurgical Operation ?

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:18:47 PM EST
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The primaries...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:23:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
AFP: Jerusalem lights to go out so Bush can enjoy sunrise

JERUSALEM (AFP) -- Lights in the Old City of Jerusalem will be turned off before dawn this week so visiting US President George W. Bush can get a better view of the sun rising over its ancient walls.

Bush, who arrives in the Middle East on Wednesday for a visit lasting more than a week, had made a request to watch the sun rise over the Old City from his suite at the King David Hotel, a municipal spokesman said on Tuesday.

To make the scene more dramatic, the authorities have decided to turn off the lights illuminating the limestone walls before dawn on Thursday and Friday, the spokesman told reporters.

The gesture is just one of several that Bush's Israeli hosts will extend to the president of their main ally during his landmark three-day visit this week -- the first by a sitting US president to Israel and the Palestinian territories in nine years.

by Fran on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:04:16 PM EST
AFP: Jerusalem lights to go out so Bush can enjoy sunrise

JERUSALEM (AFP) -- Lights in the Old City of Jerusalem will be turned off before dawn this week so visiting US President George W. Bush can get a better view of the sun rising over its ancient walls.

Bush, who arrives in the Middle East on Wednesday for a visit lasting more than a week, had made a request to watch the sun rise over the Old City from his suite at the King David Hotel, a municipal spokesman said on Tuesday.

To make the scene more dramatic, the authorities have decided to turn off the lights illuminating the limestone walls before dawn on Thursday and Friday, the spokesman told reporters.

The gesture is just one of several that Bush's Israeli hosts will extend to the president of their main ally during his landmark three-day visit this week -- the first by a sitting US president to Israel and the Palestinian territories in nine years.

by Fran on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:04:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Reminds me, one of the first years after the border to Yugoslavia opened, we spend the summer vacation there. One afternoon, the hotel personal came knocking on the roomdoor, demaning that all guests had to meet in the dining room, noone was allowed to stay in the room or leave the hotel. The reason was, Tito was visiting his villa near Opatija - and until his cars have past everbody was more or less locked up in the dining room.
by Fran on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:08:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Some animals are more equal than others...

How long ago was that? Have you seen any of the "TITO" inscriptions on mountainsides (made from collected gravelstone)?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:11:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
DoDo:
Have you seen any of the "TITO" inscriptions on mountainsides

Might have seen it, but it was pre-school and I would not have been able to read it. :-)

Must have been approx. 1956 or something - not quite sure, all I remember how my grand-parents and my mother were flustered about having to stay in. And I remember a fountain next to the hotel, who's illumination at night changed colors.

by Fran on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:15:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
How is that different from the average chief of state of a Big Western Power TM moving around nowadays ?

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:20:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I guess that was Fran's original point. And it is such moments I get furious at the naive West-idolising of liberals in my region.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:21:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I know that in 1956, Hungary's border barricades were dismantled both towards Austria and Yugoslavia. Now that was melt between Tito and post-Stalin Warshaw Pact, but the development with the West may have been parallel.

I don't know when the TITO inscriptios were made, I saw them from the late seventies until 1990.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:20:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]
This Friday, the first photoblog of '08 will be PHOTOS AS USUAL and PEOPLE. Does that sound ok to all?

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:26:43 PM EST
Yeeeaaaah!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:32:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill progress

I've been asked to advise strategy on this bill for soem people involved with tryign to get a clause taken out that would remove reproductive freedom of deaf people... but I'm confused about the process. I'm only really familiar with dealing with MP's and not so much with the Lords. It appears to be going through the House of Lords according to the chart (but doesn't show that it has been through Commons first).

My query around the stage it is at (about to go to report stage if I understand correctly) is whether we are writing to the Lords to ask them to put forward/support an amendment or if it is too late for that and we have to ask them to reject the whole thing.  

Any advice?

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:32:23 PM EST
I've just watched an energy efficiency ad in which the family concerned turn down their heating to 20C (!), thus saving money on their heating bill. Which they spent on a sun holiday.

<sigh>

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:29:00 PM EST
That's what all of the "green" energy gurus in America ate telling people to set their thermostats to.  Why "(!)" ?

Of course, getting in a car or on a plane for a holiday kinda negates any positive environmental effects of the energy conservation at home.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:32:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
20C seems a touch high. 18C seems more appropriate to me. When we had a thermostat it was set to 15C.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:44:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No wonder you are always sick!

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:51:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
dipping down to 17 at night once we were tucked in, but we've tried inching the daytime temp to 18 gradually. not so bad, once you get used to it, but i'm not sure i'd be thrilled about going much lower.

in a crisis, most of california could go without heating for most of the year. it's the AC that's a bigger problem.

by wu ming on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 03:17:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]
i find that my office gets way too hot at 20C...we have a stupid heating system that's more of an air conditioning system so it blows hot air when you want heat.  If I need it on I put it to the min setting which I think is 17C...or 19C (can't remember)...but I know that when I'm not in the office my colleague turns it up to 24C...
I've been off work since last Friday and my skin is fine...when I go in tomorrow the 'heating' will be on and my skin will become very dry and flakey.  I HATE IT!!!

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde
by Sam on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:48:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That always happens when I use the heating in the car.  I'd hate to have it on all the time at work.  My last office had that kind of air con that blew out warm air in winter (circulated through 23 floors) and cold in summer, not controllable floor by floor let alone in each office.

So I blocked all the vents up. Naughty me.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:54:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
We normally turn our heating up to 20C when it's extremely cold. Most of the time it's just off.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:13:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sarkozy proposes companies pay a third of profits to employees

PARIS (AFP) -- French President Nicolas Sarkozy proposed on Wednesday that a third of company profits should go to employees, with the same amount reserved for shareholders and investment.

"A system in which a third of the profits of a company would be for shareholders, a third for employees and a third for investment is a system ... that would have a certain coherence and logic," he told parliamentarians.

"Those that think it is too much should say it's too much and above all why," he added.


Nicolas Sarkozy endorses Tony Blair in EU job

Tony Blair is to return to the front line of European politics in Paris this weekend - amid growing signs of a campaign to install him as the European Union's first fully fledged president.

Mr Blair has agreed to speak alongside Nicolas Sarkozy, the President of France, who is actively promoting the former prime minister for a role that would make him the most influential figure in EU affairs.

Mr Sarkozy told The Daily Telegraph he held talks with Mr Blair over Christmas while both were holidaying in the Egyptian resort of Sharm El Sheikh.


Sarkozy says no plans to abolish 35-hour work week

PARIS, Jan 9 (Reuters) - French President Nicolas Sarkozy denied on Wednesday that the government planned to scrap the 35 hour working week but said he wanted to move ahead with reforming the system.

"Yes, in 2008, I want to go much further in reforming the 35 hours," he told parliamentarians in a news year's address.

"But it is not the government's intention to abolish the legal working limit because it's the base point for calculating overtime," he said.


Nicolas Sarkozy's ex puts spotlight on Bruni

Cecilia Ciganer-Albéniz - Sarkozy until their divorce last October - told two French journalists that while she respected her husband's choice of partner, she does not think that "Carla Bruni is necessarily the one who will make him forget her in a hurry".

(...)

glossy weekly Gala published photos of Italian-born Miss Bruni wearing a showy pink, heart-shaped diamond engagement ring by Dior.

It is one of two jewel-encrusted rings she has received from Mr Sarkozy in recent days.

In all, the paper said, the couple had spent 80,000 euros on gifts for each other since they started dating late November.

(...)

In the second book out this week, the authors reveal that Mr Sarkozy was briefly hospitalised in secret in October for treatment of an abscess in his throat.

The revelation is potentially embarrassing, as Mr Sarkozy had promised to break with a presidential tradition of hushing up any medical problems - such as predecessor Jacques Chirac's stroke or the late François Mitterrand's prostate cancer, which his doctor lied about for 11 years.

And can anyone tell me if Ms Bruni offered Nicolas a Piaget or a Patek Philippe watch. I can't bear not knowing.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:41:21 PM EST
Sarko: Don't Blame Putin for United Russia Win

French President Nicolas Sarkozy, when asked at a press conference about the fact that the OSCE declared the parliamentary elections in Russia undemocratic , stated that it was "completely ridiculous" to Russian President Vladimir Putin should not reproached for the United Russia Party's victory at the polls. "He cane be reproached for human rights and Chechnya," the French president added.

Sarkozy said that he cannot reproach a person and then call on him to participate in the solution of world crises. He mentioned Putin's role in settling the Iranian nuclear problem.

Sarkozy made an official visit to Russia as head of state in October of last year and expressed a desire to Putin to understand Russia better. The Russian president responded with a quotation from the poet Tyutchev: "Russia cannot be understood with the mind, nor its land measured by the acre. It is a special case. You can only believe in Russia."

This, not noteworthy for Sarkozy's remarks, but for Putin's quoting Tyutchev, and the shock horror copy-editing over at Kommersant.com.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:50:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'd much rather have Putin than Blair as EU President.

I wonder what the result of an EU-wide popular vote on that matchup would be.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:54:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
(hehehe.  This is too easy.  Sarkozy and Blair are new Moose and Squirrel...)

Uhm.  Don't you have to be a member of the EU to be President of it?

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 05:12:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The new Reform Treaty changes that. We'll have permanent Presidents for 3 years.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 05:29:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The President of the EU does not have to reside in or be a citizen of the EU?

For real?

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 05:34:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The only restriction in Article 9b of the Consolidated versions of the founding Treaties of the European Union as amended by the Treaty of Lisbon (IIEA version) is that the President of the European Council shall not hold a National office. I don't see any restrictions on the President of the European Commission either.

The European Parliament "shall be composed of representatives of the Union's Citizens".

And that's about it. I just searched the entire PDF for the word "citizen"

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 05:47:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Fascinating.  So are you going to start a "Draft Putin" movement? ;)

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 06:02:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Sorry, I misread what you meant. I thought with "member of the EU", you mean countries, and indeed the EU's current Presidents are countries, presently Slovenia. (Bliar is a citizen of the EU.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 06:02:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Bliar is a citizen of the EU

Maybe, but the sky is a different colour on the world where he lives.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 06:11:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Have a 10...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 06:14:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Argg!! Noooo! Please! Spare us from more Blair. What the fuck are they thinking?? Ick!!! Where can we protest this?
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:51:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Wish I could rate your comment with a 4 times 10!
by Fran on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:57:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I sent one of my 4's for you.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 08:28:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Here?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:57:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Hadn't Melanchthon spoken about starting a petition against Blair as EU president ?

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:51:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
22:18 ANSA dispatch

Maurizio Remmert has just confirmed that he is the REAL father of Carla Bruni.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 06:18:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
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"The new French electoral law will be based on the Italian model"
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 06:26:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That's the euro against the pound sterling.

Very strange moves.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:49:08 PM EST
what's the dollar doing?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:58:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Countdown to €1 pound?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:02:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
When it's 1:1 can we join?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:05:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Actually, you could say that seriously. Methinks a psychological barrier would be passed with the pound nationalists.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:07:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Actually I am serious, but methinks the nationalists will need rather more than that.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:10:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Nope. Even at 10:1 the nationalists would still want to keep the currencies separate. It's the mythology, not the reality.

The pound is tanking because sub-prime is about to blow up under the City. Interests rates will be going down, and unlike the US which still has a nominal link to oil, an industrial sector of sorts, and wields a hefty military machine - even if the insides of the economy are rotting like a pear - the UK economy is built on debt, bullshit, and impression management.

The pound has gone from $2.11 to $1.95 in a few weeks, and no one is talking about it on the news here.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:17:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Methinks the Pound being a higher-valued currency than the Euro is part of that myth: the reality is that the strength of a currency isn't determined by unit value. But weakness is noticed that way, see Americans and the dollar vs. the Euro.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 05:00:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes ,it is. It was a huge story in either the Guardian or Indy on monday. I've got to change all my spare cash into euros cos given the amounts it's worth doing, especially as I'm transferring to the Continent.

Wish we were in the eurozone already, it's dumb staying in sterling.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 05:17:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What are the dates of major liquidity injections by the ECB?

I suspect the large jumps may be due to UK banks taking advantage of them, if indirectly (as they cannot borrow from the ECB but can benefit from the Euro/Pound Libor differential.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:10:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
but it should have gone down in the past week as the ECB loans had to be repaid (the big liquidity injection on the 20th or so was just for 2 weeks).

so there are other factors playing.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 05:21:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Not if the ECB injection lowered the longer-dated Euro LIBOR rates relative to the pound rates and the British banks borrowed longer-dated cash from the European banks. Say, the ECB lends out a wad of 2-week cash and the Euro banks lend a chunk of that to the British banks at 1-month or 3-month maturities.

In fact, I don't think the European banks would have lent any money out of the ECB injection with maturities any earlier than the end of the year, as the whole point of the exercise was to balance their books for the end of the year.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 05:29:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Huh, from 2:3 to 3:4 in a year.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:36:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What is the policy for advertising with ET?

It looks like I'm going to run another piece on the Atlantic Review and Atlantic Community.

The lede on the draft (written by the, ah, editors) starts with "Nanne xxx of the European Tribune is critical of"

I'm not entirely comfortable with that.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 05:15:11 PM EST
[ET Moderation Technology™] As long as you cross-post here I don't have a problem with that wording.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 05:17:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Very intersting article in the Guardian about how the republicans are reacting to the problems of the economy out on the stump. Particularly why romney isn't the man of the moment.

McCain talks up his ability to fight "big pharmaceutical companies", and when Romney told him in a Saturday candidates' debate that those companies weren't "bad guys", McCain pushed back: "They are."

Romney lost that argument. His business background simply didn't sell here. At his overflowing rallies in this state, where he'd never been expected to do well, Huckabee mocked Romney's real-world successes like a matador dancing around a bull. He can understand the audience's worries, he said, and Romney can't. High gas prices "won't affect where they [meaning the rich] go on vacation. It won't affect the way they live." His final anti-Romney line was a killer: "Maybe people want a president who looks like the guy you work with and not the guy who laid you off."



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 05:49:17 PM EST
In the comment thread of that article is a good suggestion for a difference between a government and a business;-

Get a grip, people. Running a government is different than running a business. Businesses focus on the bottom line by delivering goods and services efficiently. Governments are supposed to focus on the welfare of its citizens from getting too close to the bottom by delivering services effectively. For the last seven years, the US government has performed neither efficiently or effectively.


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 05:57:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Ouch!

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 06:02:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Dozens of Nashi Protesters Detained
Police detained dozens of Nashi activists at an unauthorized rally outside the European Commission's offices in Moscow on Wednesday, in a rare instance of the pro-Kremlin youth group running afoul of the law.

Some 700 activists gathered at the delegation's office at 14/1 Kadashevskaya Naberezhnaya in central Moscow to protest the imprisonment of a fellow activist in Lithuania, which is an EU member.

The rally was not sanctioned, and police dispersed it, rounding up 50 activists and new Nashi leader Nikita Borovikov, Nashi spokeswoman Kristina Potupchik said, Interfax reported.

Police said the detainees were taken in for questioning on possible charges of illegally gathering for a protest.

The rally was meant to protest the jailing of Konstantin Goloskokov, who was sentenced to two months in prison on charges of illegally crossing the border earlier this month. Goloskokov was traveling to Estonia to participate in a Nashi picket at the former site of a Soviet memorial.

Don't hold your breath waiting to read about this in the WSJ...

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 06:14:19 PM EST
BBC Four Documentaries: Atom
In this three-part documentary series, Professor Jim Al-Khalili tells the story of one of the greatest scientific discoveries ever: that the material world is made up of atoms.
I caught the second half of Part I yesterday and I thought it was pretty good. Unfortunately I missed Part II as I wasn't aware it was today. Part III is tomorrow.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 07:02:11 PM EST
it's repeated from 2 till 3 this morning if you can record it.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 07:05:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Whoops, I missed your comment :-(

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 03:35:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC - Atom - Have Your Say
Atom will be repeated, both on BBC Two and BBC Four, at some point in the future. We cannot confirm a date at present. If you would like to be notified when the series will be repeated on BBC Four then sign up for our weekly newsletter.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 08:26:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]
They should release it on DVD. Apparently there's a book already. I can't see why they can't sell both.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 08:54:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
From the same page "there are no plans to sell it as a DVD at the moment"

Gits, if it hasn't got fluffy animals, victorian dresses, or isnt a comedy, they aren't interested.

(and it's not on iPlayer either)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 09:01:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Another BBC documentary that would sell like candy on DVD is The Power of Nightmares. They could even do it on a "burn on demand" basis from a garage. Idiots.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 09:27:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC NEWS | Programmes | Power of Nightmares re-awakened

The problem is that the films are full of archive film and music from a multitude of sources. The reason my series are normally not released on DVD is that it is prohibitively costly and a nightmare - no pun intended - to clear the rights.

But so many people have now asked for the series to be released in this form that I think it probably will happen.

NOTE: We are very keen that the programmes are made widely available including in America and although the main networks have shown little interest, we are confident that the programmes will be shown in some form. There are however no plans for a book or that the BBC should publish transcripts in addition to the unofficial ones already existing on the internet. Further news about the Power of Nightmares and in particular availability of a DVD or video will be published here.

Is it that much harder to licence them for DVD release than for TV showing? Theres definitely a demand out there, that's not the only series produced by Adam Curtis that I would buy (Although it's probably near the top of the list)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 09:35:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
ceebs:
The problem is that the films are full of archive film and music from a multitude of sources. The reason my series are normally not released on DVD is that it is prohibitively costly and a nightmare - no pun intended - to clear the rights.
So intellectual property rights make it impossible to release documentaries? That means intellectual property rights have to go.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 09:38:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC NEWS | UK | UK troops in blood disease checks
Eighteen British service personnel are being tested amid fears they may have been given contaminated blood while serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The troops are being screened for a range of diseases including HIV, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed.

The blood transfusions were given to personnel serving in the two countries after 2001 from American supplies.

The MoD said the risk of infection was low and that the troops could have died without receiving the blood.

The personnel are being tested for HIV, Hepatitis B and C, HTLV - a virus similar to HIV, Chagas - a tropical parasitic disease which occurs in the Americas - and the sexually-transmitted infection syphilis.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 07:27:17 PM EST


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