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Countdown to $200 oil (12) - betting on Yergin

by Jerome a Paris Tue Nov 11th, 2008 at 01:07:27 PM EST

It's been a while since I did a Countdown diary - no wonder, given that oil is now below $60, ie at the same level as when I started the initial "Countdown to $100" series back in 2005...

While the $200 target looks to be some ways off right now, given the expectations of a massive global downturn, the mechanism that has been pushing prices down is the same one that had been pushing prices up in the first part of the year (as I explained in this recent opus of the series: it's the marginal cost of demand destruction that matters, rather than thr marginal cost of production. Demand was driving prices up when it was strong, and it is now driving prices down just as brutally as it is now crumbling just as spectacularly (whether directly, finally, because of high prices, or indirectly via the economic crunch).

But we now, unexepctedly, have a strong "buy" signal again: an article by CERA's Daniel Yergin telling us that current prices are justified.


Yergin has an unbeaten track record of being wrong on oil prices this decade, as this graph suggests:

Back in May, as oil prices touched $130, he famously wrote:

Two years ago, Cera created its Break Point scenario, to explore how supply disruptions and delayed development would lead to $120-$150 oil. What was not fully anticipated was the impact of rapidly rising costs. Not anticipated at all was a falling dollar and how it has stimulated a rush by investors into oil. The real question in the scenario was what would be the response to such high prices.

After years of claiming that prices would go down, he was suddenly claiming that he had predicted $150 oil all along, and announced an era of more expensive and less dominant oil.

Today, he writes this:

The world oil market is caught in what Cambridge Energy Research Associates two years ago described as a “Global Fissure” recession scenario. Total US oil demand over 2008 is down 1m barrels a day compared with last year. The last time demand dropped this much was in 1981, on the eve of the recession that was – until now – known as the “worst recession since the Great Depression”.

So he's shamelessly telling us that he predicted the crash in oil prices, and announcing that this will threaten investment in alternative energies, thus ensuring that oil remains dominant.

Beyond the lack of intellectual honesty, this should be seen as a sign to buy oil again - just like his earlier article was seen by various people, including some editors of the Oil Drum, as a sign of a good time to sell oil...

The big question of the day, as the collapsing wold economy brings about demand reduction, is whether that demand reduction will be faster or not than production reduction, as investment in new capacity is delayed, and existing capacity declines. It is these relative speeds that will drive oil prices in the short term, until production decline clashes with any pickup in economic activity and causes more price jumps.

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 11th, 2008 at 02:18:44 PM EST
Once there was a forecasting company that was the best in the business. Everyone relied on its predictions. Then something happened, and their predictions started to be no better than competitors'.

One day, a head of a competitor's company invited a colleague from the formerly best firm to a business lunch, and after fourth martini asked him: "Tell me, what has happened to you?"

He got the following answer: "You know, we used to have this partner. He was consistently wrong about everything. We came to rely on his judgement. But recently he has retired".

People say it's a true story.

by Sargon on Tue Nov 11th, 2008 at 02:42:48 PM EST
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Developed countries urged to set targets

A group of large financial institutional investors will on Tuesday call on rich countries to cut their emissions by up to 95 per cent by 2050, in the sector's strongest demand yet on climate change.

The group of more than 130 investors, with a combined $7,000bn under management, includes Calpers, Calsters, several other US public sector pension funds, and several UK public sector pension funds. The group also includes Blackrock Investment Management, Deutsche Asset Management, HSBC Investments, Schroders and BNP Paribas Asset Management.

In a statement to be sent to governments today, they urge developed countries to set targets to cut emissions by 25-40 per cent by 2020, compared with 1990 levels, and cuts of 80-95 per cent by 2050.

The investors, brought together by the Ceres group, a US-based coalition of investors concerned about climate change, want the targets enshrined in the successor to the Kyoto protocol.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 11th, 2008 at 02:57:24 PM EST
Tomorrow is the big day when the International Energy Agency publishes its long awaited World Energy Outlook update, which is expected to significantly change the tone of the debate, as it will focus on production capacity and decline via via a bottom-up, field-by-field analysis which will bring down by a large number the expected oil production level estimates for the next 2 decades.

The Oil Drum will post a series of articles commenting on the report, so be on the lookout for them, starting tomorrow.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 11th, 2008 at 03:13:39 PM EST
The report certainly needs a close look... refreshing that it analyses the supply side instead of trusting in the invisible hand to conjure up ever increasing production rates... but even so how is this for their reference scenario...

Worldwide, conventional crude production increases only modestly between 2007 and 2030 - by 5 mb/d - as almost all the additional capacity from new oilfields is offset by the decline in output at existing fields. Output from known oilfields that are already being developed or are awaiting development expands through to 2020, but then begins to drop, as few such fields are left to be brought into production and many of them enter their decline phase. Fields that are yet to be found account for about a quarter of total crude oil production by 2030.

- IEA WEO 2008, p. 249

This strikes me as crazily, wildly optimistic, based on discovery trends over the last decades...

by tirer au flanc (tirerauflanc@gmail.com) on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 07:22:23 AM EST
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European Tribune - Comments - Countdown to $200 oil (12) - betting on Yergin
the mechanism that has been pushing prices down is the same one that had been pushing prices up in the first part of the year (as I explained in this recent opus of the series: it's the marginal cost of demand destruction that matters, rather than thr marginal cost of production. Demand was driving prices up when it was strong, and it is now driving prices down just as brutally as it is now crumbling just as spectacularly (whether directly, finally, because of high prices, or indirectly via the economic crunch).

As I've said before, I think your explanation re marginal costs as setting the parameters for price setting is correct. My take on it - as a Bear of Little Economic Brain - is as a market swinging from being a "Buyer's Market" to being a "Seller's Market" and back again.

But whether it was "large volatility" (as you described it) or a "bubble" (as I saw it) the cause of the massive rise to $147.00 and fall back is IMHO the excessive gearing which results from borrowing; derivatives; or both.

It reminds me a bit of the effect of water on a RoRo ferry's car deck - except the inevitable capsize is still to come because the bow doors remain open...

Re Yergin, I've got a late invite to speak about "unitisation" of energy at the

13th IIES International Oil and Gas Conference in Teheran

where he's speaking. I could maybe find out the secret of his success...

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Nov 11th, 2008 at 03:24:45 PM EST
Yergin's success comes from his book, "the Prize" which is a really good history of the oil industry. And since the mid-90s, he's been driving CERA rather relentlessly, pushing it as the "go to" consultancy on oil&gas matters, rather successfully. Who are pundits to argue if the oil companies and banks buy his (very expensive) stuff?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 11th, 2008 at 03:30:55 PM EST
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Maybe it's because he's so consistently wrong that his advice is so valuable, as pointed out elsewhere in the thread....

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Nov 11th, 2008 at 05:08:21 PM EST
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But we now, unexepctedly, have a strong "buy" signal again: an article by CERA's Daniel Yergin telling us that current prices are justified.
I certainly won't question Yergin's history of being wrong on oil prices after your diary and links.  But is it at all conceivable his contention "that current prices are justified" could be wrong on the downside?  The chief bit of positive news for consumption appears to be that China is still growing.  Is that enough to keep oil prices around $60/bl, or could they fall below $50?  Are we so certain that deflation will not continue?  Will OPEC countries already hurt by price declines be able to cut production sufficiently to drive up the price?  Just asking.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Nov 11th, 2008 at 10:31:03 PM EST
I have little doubt as to the long term direction of oil prices, but...In the long run.... :-)  Or, how long might that be?

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Nov 11th, 2008 at 10:33:29 PM EST
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