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Christmas Scripture LQD

by dvx Thu Dec 25th, 2008 at 08:13:15 AM EST

This article in the Süddeutsche Zeitung caught my eye this morning:

Jesus und die Finanzkrise - Der Zorn Gottes - Politik - sueddeutsche.deJesus and the financial crisis - the wrath of God
Nach dem desaströsen Jahr 2008, dem Jahr der geplatzten globalen Gier, möchte man eine andere Krippe aufstellen: nicht die mit den Schafen, Hirten und dem Jesulein-Jesus.Following this disastrous 2008, the year of the bursting of global greed, one would like to erect an alternative creche: not the one with sheep, shepherds and the Baby Jesus.
Es gibt auch einen anderen Jesus: Der steht mit heiligem Zorn im Tempel, eine Geißel aus Stricken in der Hand, stürzt die Tische um und wirft die Händler und Geldwechsler hinaus, die das "Haus des Vaters" zur Räuberhöhle gemacht haben. El Greco hat diese Szene im Tempel öfter und lieber gemalt als die Geburt im Stall.There is another Jesus: He stands in the temple in holy wrath, a scourge of knotted ropes in his fist, upends the tables and casts out the merchants and the money-changers who have made the "house of the Father" into a den of robbers. El Greco painted this scene more often than, and with preference over, the birth in the manger.
Womöglich war sie auch den Evangelisten wichtiger. Über die Tempelreinigung berichten sie jedenfalls alle vier - Matthäus, Markus, Lukas und Johannes. Die Weihnachtsgeschichte dagegen steht nur bei Lukas und Matthäus.It may well have been more important to the Evangelists as well. At any rate, all four - Mathew, Mark, Luke and John - recount the cleansing of the temple. By contrast, the Christmas story is found only in Luke and Mathew.

Given how relevant this story is to... well, you can all guess what's coming, can't you:

John 2 King James Bible

13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: 15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; 16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

Some things are so inherently corrupt that not even an infinitely merciful deity can love them: Maybe that's a spiritual bottom line message we want to take with us into the new year.

For the record, I am a person of no religious faith, so naturally I don't consider the Bible as being in any way sacred.

OTOH, I don't claim that it is entirely without merit.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt t gmail dotcom) on Thu Dec 25th, 2008 at 08:15:03 AM EST
What a brilliant idea to post this apropos theme on xmas 2008.  Though trying to reform the chicago school may be casting Pearls Before Swine.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Dec 25th, 2008 at 08:53:09 AM EST
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I was wondering about that and why this part of the Bible was never or rarely mentioned. Even looking at the follwing message, that part of seems not to be mentioned.

In Christmas Message, German Churches Attack 'Greed Culture' | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 24.12.2008

In their Christmas message, Germany's Protestant and Catholic churches warned that "money has become God"and called for a return to non-materialistic values and urged bank managers to be more prudent.

Wolfgang Huber, Germany's top Protestant Bishop, on Wednesday sharply criticized the strong profit-driven focus and "culture of greed " of individual bank managers and executives.

Huber, who represents around 25 million Protestants in Germany, said banks needed to give more priority to "sustainable value-building" rather than to short-term financial gain and hefty bonuses for its managers.

"Money has become akin to God in the current situation," Huber told daily Berliner Zeitung.

by Fran on Thu Dec 25th, 2008 at 09:03:42 AM EST
Absolutely. Any clergycritter who can talk about "sustainable value-building" is obviously missing the point.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt t gmail dotcom) on Thu Dec 25th, 2008 at 10:13:30 AM EST
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In his favour, at least he has nothing against letting people who have not paid their church tax attend Christmas Mass, unlike certain conservative politicians.

Gottesdienste nur für Kirchenmitglieder ist abwegig | RP-online| 22.12.08

Der Ratsvorsitzende der Evangelischen Kirche in Deutschland (EKD), Wolfgang Huber, hat Vorschläge aus der Politik kritisiert, Gottesdienste am Heiligabend nur Mitgliedern der Kirche anzubieten. "Die Vorstellung, dass gerade am Heiligabend nur Gemeindemitglieder einen Platz in der Kirche bekommen sollten und die anderen ausgeschlossen werden, ist abwegig."
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Dec 25th, 2008 at 11:42:27 PM EST
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That's a good one. But I keep this one on my desk top.

D: Your old man was a fucking hump from Southie, bag handler at the airport. Right. You're family's all crimminals except for the old man, huh?
C: And one priest since you seem to know everything.
D: Last I heard, he was happily married to a twelve-year-old boy, living on a beach in Thailand. Father's family's living in the Southie projects like tick three a minute at best. Your mother grew up on the north shore. Huh. Well, ladeefuckingda. You were a kind of double kid, I bet. Right? One kid with your old man. One with your mother. You're upper-middle class living the weeks. Then you're dragging r's and you're hanging in the big, bad Southie projects with your daddy the fucking donkey on the weekends. I got that right?
C: Yup.
D: You got different accents? You did that, you, you little fucking snake. You were like different people.
C: You a psychiatrist?
D: Well, if I was, I'd ask you why you were a statie, making thirty grand a year. And I think, if I was Sigmund fucking Freud, I wouldn't get an answer. So tell me what's a lace-curtain motherfucker like you doing in the staties?
C: Well, families are always rising and falling in America, am I right?
Q: Who said that?
C: Hawthorne.
D: What's the matter, smartass? Don't know any Shakespeare?
Q: We have a question.

Do you want to be a cop, or do you want to appear to be a cop?

It's an honest question. A lot of guys want to appear to be a cop. Gun, badge, pretend they're on TV.
D: A lot of them just want to slam a nigger's head through a plate glass window.
C: I'm all set without your own personal job application. Am I right? ...
D: What did you did you say to me, trainee? ...
C: ... With all due respect, sir, what do you want from me?
D: ... Hey, asshole, he can't help you. I know what you are, and I know what you're not. I'm the best friend you have on the face of the earth, and I'm going to help you understand something, you punk. You are no fucking cop.
Q: He's right. We deal in deception here. What we do not deal with here is self-deception. Five years from now, you could be anything else in the world, but you will not be a Massachusettes State Trooper.
C: You're sure of that?
Q: I'm sure of that.
D: Guaranfuckingteed. You got 1400 on your SATs, kid. You're an astronaut not a statie.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Dec 25th, 2008 at 09:35:16 AM EST
Where from?

(Gogol points back here).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Dec 26th, 2008 at 05:42:33 AM EST
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This is my transcription of dialogue in a major motion picture (love that sell-point, so quaint) which must remain nameless, and so too those of its cast of characters. I believe it is not available on the www in its entirety, which is why I transcribed it some time ago. And with blatant regard for unenforceable property rights, I now submit, the sequence depicted is a masterpiece of moral suasion.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Dec 26th, 2008 at 10:04:24 AM EST
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Not to steal MT's thunder, but:


The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt t gmail dotcom) on Sat Dec 27th, 2008 at 03:56:50 AM EST
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Cheezes.  I never understood the story:  He was supposed to be a peaceful person, but he went ballistic.  How where the merchants supposed to know it was his father´s house?  Was it?...  How could they know about christianism if it wasn´t founded yet?  The merchants didn´t know about the father, the son and the bird if they were jewish.

What good are temples that are empty most of the time?  Like parked cars and boats at the marina.  They should be multi-use, or time-shares, not wasted space.  Nothing wrong with farmers´ markets....


Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Thu Dec 25th, 2008 at 07:08:08 PM EST
You're much too kind. The guy's clearly off his head, and dangerous. Frankly, I'm surprised he wasn't tackled to the ground and tazered by security guards. Who does he think he is? Laws are not just for other people. What an asshole.

Anyway, I don't think this kind of criminal assault behaviour should be condoned on ET.

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by martingale on Thu Dec 25th, 2008 at 10:35:12 PM EST
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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Dec 25th, 2008 at 08:26:28 PM EST

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