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Tuesday Open Thread

by In Wales Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 12:53:39 PM EST

How has today's journey been?


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Identical little rowhouses next to the train tracks...must be in Britain, so I'll go with Wales -- the Motherland!

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 01:03:23 PM EST
Good old Welsh terraces.  I'll leave the finer details of location for DoDo but just so he doesn't spend too much of his evening working it out I will tell you that the photo was taken from what is currently the tallest building in Wales.

Embarrassingly, as I described to our American guest last week, it is only 23 stories high.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 01:08:24 PM EST
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Up until they started tossing high-rise condos right and left all over, I believe the tallest building where I'm from in Florida was a phone booth, so don't feel too bad.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 01:13:34 PM EST
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Ah, photographer's location.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 01:14:24 PM EST
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Spot on! I used to work there. Here are all the buses turning up at once.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 01:23:24 PM EST
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I´d be proud of that.  I think smaller buildings contribute to a more human-size life style and all that.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:05:39 PM EST
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That's easy! (Lucky shot, BTW)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 01:06:48 PM EST
lol, you clearly didn't need the clue!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 01:10:19 PM EST
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I remembered your photos from atop that tower in Cardiff, and I remember the rail triangle in Cardiff.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 01:15:50 PM EST
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As you may know I am travelling constantly from Barcelona to Zaragoza..and back.. and in Zaragoza I hardly can connect.. (unless a neighbor is nice and opens the wireless).

but today I am in barcelona.. and I must announce that tomorrow I travel to zaragoza..it will be on the first well actually the third,b ut the first day) AVE train from Barcelona to Madrid.. tomorrow the fast trains from Barcelona to madrid are officly kicked off.. and I wll be there during the inaugural journey..

this is a comemnt just to make dodo red in envy :) je jej ejee and apologize for readign stuff here so quickly.

A pleaure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 01:25:55 PM EST
Indeed envy! I am in the process of preparing a diary for tomorrow.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 01:32:10 PM EST
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yeah GREAT... but I do not have conenction there.. arghhhhhh

I will not be able to comment with first ahnd experience.. unless, of course.. the neighbor.. some neighbor.. gives me a hand...with a free wireless.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:27:48 PM EST
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Back to blighty tomorrow. Taxi to thessaloniki, flight at 3:00, back to britain by 4:00. I do love flying west.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 01:27:29 PM EST
Isn't that quite a long ride by taxi?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 01:29:59 PM EST
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Yea, just over 100 miles. Sandanski is halfway between sofia and thessaloniki. The taxi will cost me 70 euros, but a coach to sofia would only have cost me 11 lev (6 euros) but I couldn't get a direct flight from sofia till monday. Not unless i was prepared to pay lots and lots.

I have to be back in britain next tuesday and I was actually beginning to worry I might not make it cos I just couldn't get a flight.

then this olympic flight popped out of the blue. Might have been a cancellation as I swear it wasn't there the first time I looked. Yup....me take.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 01:57:41 PM EST
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Meetings all day. Work late last night. Knackered.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 01:43:12 PM EST
I've just won the scramble in the internet cafe for one of the two electric sockets so's I can run from the mains instead of a dying battery. I deserved it. I'd waited in the prime seat for an hour, the hassle being that it's in the direct balst of the fan-heater. Not only do you suffer from boiling while you wait, but when you get to the socket you feel cold !!!!

Still, addicts must suffer for their habits.

Hi....My name is Helen and I am addicted to European Tribune.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 02:06:02 PM EST
Are we to be expecting some photographs from you at some point?  Or am I going to have to invite myself out to Bulgaria so everyone can see what it looks like?
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 02:51:20 PM EST
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As I recall your expalantion about the bit twixt camera and ET was short, pithy and assumed too much knowledge on my part.

But you'll be most welcome to come over for a few days excess (and photos). I swear I'll show you some stuff that'll blow your mind.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:08:15 PM EST
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Oh! It's my fault you haven't posted a single photo then?!  In that case I will have to come over and show you how it's done.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:11:52 PM EST
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Nah, it's just that, despite your best efforts, all me piccies are crap.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:16:04 PM EST
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Hmmm. Have you been practising enough?

Anyway I have a terrible dilemma. I am trying to put together my rather belated Northern Hills diary from Thailand.  The problem is that I have at least 35 -40 photos that I want to post but don't want to overload or go OTT on the whole thing.  But given that I've narrowed them down from hundreds, I don't know how to cut even more out. Should I post them all anyway or be really tough on myself?

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:21:47 PM EST
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Be really tough.
Choosing your best is part of becoming a better photog.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:36:07 PM EST
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Argh!  That wasn't what I wanted to hear!
But I shall try... it make take a couple more days then.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:37:39 PM EST
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The other thing that makes this hard is that even though I am selecting just 4 days of the holiday, there are so many narratives I could form.  

I'm kind of disappointed with how the photos turned out - partly due me knowing way less about photography then and having relatively little time to take photos.  So my best photos probably don't fit in that well with a decent narrative of the hill tribes and their lifestyle/or my trek. Hmmmm.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:51:19 PM EST
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Well as per Helen's comment, that's a different kettle of piranhas. Then you're composing a story and selecting photos to tell/illustrate that story. And as she says, the way to square the circle is two diaries, one about the narrative and another about the photos.

Make the first a narrative about hill tribes/or the trek.

Make the second one a personal photo exploration, about which pictures you chose as best and why. I'm sure the denizens of the weekly photo blog would enjoy that kind of discussion quite a lot.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 05:10:00 PM EST
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Well here is a taster.  The diary is only about half done and I need sleep now.  This isn't a good enough photo to make the cut for the diary but this little boy was so sweet and he followed me from a distance.


by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 06:09:14 PM EST
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Practice. My issue is the same as I always had; I see something I want to photo and when I look through the viewfinder, it ain't there the way I see it. So I end up not taking anything.

I guess photographers find photos they can take, people like me just stay frustrated they can't take the photo they want to.

As per dilemma. find 15 - 20 that form a narrative, that's your blog. Then declare a Friday blog to be holiday photos and dump the rest there

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:39:53 PM EST
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What a tremendous plan!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:41:35 PM EST
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Does British Rail no longer exist?  Last time I was there (about 13 years ago), you could still take BR in the south of England.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 02:08:20 PM EST
Ummm...no. The tories privatised it (ie stole it from the rest of us). Naturally they did it in the worst possible way with the maximum incentive to screw things up.

Railways in Britain are now a colossal mess and the current labour administration is too cowardly to do anything about it in case it upsets Rupert murdoch or the wunch of city bankers who are coining it over the fiasco.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 02:12:18 PM EST
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Oh dear!  I hope one of the lines can get me from Edinburgh down to Birmingham!  ... and then on to London ... and to Brighton.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 06:24:44 PM EST
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there is a direct train from edinburgh to birmingham

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 06:29:38 PM EST
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There is a centralised timetabling and ticket buying website which does largely work:

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/

However, if your budget is tight, it's usually worth using the National Rail journey planner to identify the train companies you will travel with and then check their websites for any possible special deals.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 07:02:11 PM EST
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Brighton!  If you'd like to meet up, let me know.  We could go for a walk in the hills, or to the pub, or both (always enjoyable!)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 08:08:43 PM EST
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go for a walk in the pub in the hills? is that both?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 08:36:44 PM EST
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Or a walk over the hills in the pub.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Feb 20th, 2008 at 04:29:30 AM EST
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if your pub seems to have hills, then you've been drinking too much.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Feb 20th, 2008 at 04:41:09 AM EST
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...but if your hills seem to have pubs, go walking.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 20th, 2008 at 04:46:50 AM EST
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It's a distinct possibility as the IDS at University of Sussex will just have a skeleton staff.  I won't be seeing any of my old profs nor any of the fellows so I will likely wander around the town.  Actually 'towns' since I lived both in Brighton and Hove.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 11:24:34 PM EST
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DJ Grooverider

You don't take dope to the Gulf. What makes you think you're above the law you stupid clown ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 02:08:49 PM EST
Rule of thumb is you don't take drugs through international customs, to be fair.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 06:30:51 PM EST
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One of the Furry Freak Brothers cartoons by Gilbert Shelton - erstwhile Texan, sometime denizen of rural France:



paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 06:49:17 PM EST
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News - Dubai Brit Jailed for 4 Years For a Speck of Puff :: Skrufff.com - Trackitdown.net
Travellers to the United Arab Emirates were advised to apply `extreme caution' this week after a 43 year old Brit was jailed for 4 years after cops detected a microscopic quantity of hashish stuck in the tread of his shoe.

"The amount of the drug found on his shoe (0.003 grams) would not be visible to the naked eye and weighs less than a single grain of sugar," London's Evening Standard reported, adding that Keith Brown had been arrested when passing through Dubai Airport in transit from Ethiopia to London.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Feb 20th, 2008 at 12:14:07 PM EST
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I read the article, but the story needs more background.  If the amount is not visible to the naked eye, then this means either:

They are/can randomly stop individuals and check their entire person/luggage for microscopic particles (I read once that all US dollar bills contain residuals of cocaine--maybe an urban myth!)--which would then mean that every traveller is at risk

and/or

They had some other information / targetting policy which --

I mean, how does one detect a non-visible item stuck to the tread of a shoe, and how does one infer from this that the individual has done anything more than, say, walk across the floor in a north-indian B&B (for example)?

At first sight the story seems a hoax--

But no, 'tis true.  More details from the BBC.

BBC NEWS | UK | Tourists warned of UAE drug laws

Keith Brown and his wife had been on their way from London to Ethiopia when they were stopped and searched at Dubai airport.

At first customs officers found nothing, but then a roll-up cigarette was spotted caught in the tread of his shoe.

The 43-year-old, from Middlesex, was charged with possession of 0.003g of cannabis and was sentenced to four years in prison.

And for those who are thinking, "Well, I never go near the stuff--and really...

BBC NEWS | UK | Tourists warned of UAE drug laws

Possession of painkillers like codeine and some cold and flu medication could result in a mandatory four-year prison sentence, Fair Trials International said.

In one of the most extreme cases, it reported a man being held after poppy seeds from a bread roll were found on his clothes.

Meanwhile, a Swiss national is serving a four-year jail term after three poppy seeds from a bread roll he ate at Heathrow airport were found on his clothes.

From the two articles you've posted (thanks!) it seems that once the trial has finished they are given royal pardons and sent home--

Still, something is not right here, a lot of rich people have bought property in Dubai--are they at risk if they have codeine-based painkillers, I mean, what are the targetting rules--is it clear that certain people get through customs without being searched--

How about "Jack Straw arrested for microscopic quantity of cannabis in shoe tread", having flown to Dubai a few days after visiting his son?

Catherine Wolthuizen, chief executive of Fair Trials International, said customs authorities were using highly sensitive new equipment to conduct thorough searches on travellers.

"So many people now travel to Dubai and, as we're seeing, many have no idea what risks they're taking or their vulnerability to this very strict approach," she said.

"If they find any amount - no matter how minute - it will be enough to attract a mandatory four-year prison sentence.

"What many travellers may not realise is that they can be deemed to be in possession of such banned substances if they can be detected in their urine or bloodstream, or even in tiny, trace amounts on their person."

Very strange development.  I wonder if any other countries are following this route--the "too small to see, but you're arrested anyway"--I really can't see it.  (!)

My reading: it's the puritan wave getting larger and more dangerous--or, to change metaphor, the thin end of the wedge is being pushed in deeper.

Strangely, I can see this galvanising a younger generation to political action--4 years because you've got the dog end of someone's joint stuck on the bottom of your shoe.

More dystopianly, I can see people saying, "I hope you don't mind me asking but have you been

smoking
drinking
X other activity that leaves physical (chemical) traces

because if you have I'm afraid I'm going to have to

not see you any more (4 years!)
warn the authorities (for those who agree with the laws)
certainly be less relaxed in the company of strangers (paranoia + stress + judgement--urgh)

Overall, urgh!


Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Feb 20th, 2008 at 01:19:32 PM EST
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They are/can randomly stop individuals and check their entire person/luggage for microscopic particles (I read once that all US dollar bills contain residuals of cocaine--maybe an urban myth!)--which would then mean that every traveller is at risk

From the BBC in 2003:

German euros 'full of cocaine'

Some cocaine users snort the drug through rolled bank notes
Almost all euro banknotes circulating in Germany contain traces of cocaine, German researchers say.
Cocaine users commonly use a rolled-up banknote to inhale the drug through the nose, and experts say such notes can contaminate the cash system in cash counting machines in banks.

"Nine out of 10 banknotes show clearly measurable amounts of cocaine," Professor Fritz Soergel of the Institute for Biomedical and Pharmaceutical Research in Nuremberg was quoted as saying by Reuters news agency.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Feb 20th, 2008 at 03:39:20 PM EST
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There were a couple of BüSo kids in the S-Bahn today with 'stop the EU dictatorship' and anti-Blair paper boards around their neck.

Did not talk to them because I steer clear of cults.

In other news, my ongoing exchange with James Rogers is really entertaining.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 02:09:32 PM EST
Jolly British chappie. Gets very worked up about the Russkies as a good Brit should. Suggests you read a book by a bloke from The Economist to further your understanding. Good show.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:01:17 PM EST
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I tried to find out whether poemless had said anything about Edward Lucas and found this very entertaining pre-emptive review of his book on The Exile. Yet more fun.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:07:13 PM EST
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I don't know if I diaried it, but remember dicussing it and really go off on the guy.  I remember well, because Jerome reminded me that he's a ... member of ET!

http://www.eurotrib.com/user/edwardlucas

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:14:50 PM EST
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Right, I didn't recognize the name. He commented here.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 04:46:48 PM EST
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Only thing to do is join in ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 04:40:00 PM EST
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I suppose he's only half serious about toppling the regimes in China and Russia...

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 06:12:23 PM EST
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Had a nice trip today:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Escorial

The carpentry and restoration classes went there to ´see the furniture´ which is precious little, but the marquetry doors, with pieces as thin as a hair, are absolutely amazing and filled with themes of the arts and sciences of the time.  I found the actual designs of the geodesic dome on one of them.

The library has nice woodwork, also and we saw the basement workshops with all the building tools:  They used 3-story, wooden cranes to lift the stones that look the same as I saw in the 50´s.  A pillar with a rotating arm and ropes thicker than my wrists.

I was shocked when a security guard at the dungeon/kings´mausoleum insisted that we whisper.  Afraid we wake up the dead?!

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 02:20:13 PM EST
And learning, well, nothing, I realize it's a futile exercise to pursue it further.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 02:43:38 PM EST
I know what you mean. All the discussion and explanation in the world ain't gonna change a damn thing. People will die, mothers will cry for their children and thousands will find themselves on the road as the stench of their burning homes scorches their eyes.

And there is nothing anyone can do to stop it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 02:48:04 PM EST
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I won´t take, you two, literally, ´coz I don´t feel hopeless enough.  Yet.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 02:59:09 PM EST
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It's not even a hope to change things - the entire "situation" is completely opaque to me. There are too many nationalities, religions, and too much history involved. Abstractable topics such as first world / third world dynamics I feel I can understand to some degree, as well as less complex religious / national conflicts such as Israel's relationship with its neighbors. The complexity is so extreme in this case that I wonder if it's simply impenetrable to meaningful intellectual analysis.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:06:32 PM EST
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Latvian interior minister slams British as 'pigs'

RIGA, February 19 (RIA Novosti) - Latvian Interior Minister Mareks Seglins called the British "pigs" after another British national was arrested Tuesday for urinating on a Riga monument.

Police arrested a fifth British national caught urinating on the Freedom Monument, which is Latvia's national symbol, in central Riga.

"These people think it is a tradition to mar our monument. They are pigs, those British. A piggy nation," Seglins told reporters angrily.

Over 15 people, including Russians, have been arrested recently for indecent behavior at the monument. However, British nationals are the most frequent offenders out of any nation.




"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:06:52 PM EST
Reminds me of a certain cartoon recently

Brit to Latvian : You're such a pig for urinating there

Latvian to Brit : All Brits are pigs for urinating in streets

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:14:25 PM EST
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I'm in trial again, the phrase "the situation is desperate, but not serious, keeps going through my head.  Have to focus on the underlying banal facts.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 03:18:27 PM EST
Well i've tried to stay interested in AC vs Liverpool, but they're both crap and there's lots of "tasty" tackles flying in and has 0 - 0 all over it.

Seey yer back in UK

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 04:11:32 PM EST
My flatmate agrees with you. But he's still watching it.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 04:23:14 PM EST
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They actually had this on at the pizza shop I often go to for lunch.

Boring match.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 04:25:33 PM EST
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Ah! A goal, you spoke too soon!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 04:25:55 PM EST
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came down and saw the last ten minutes and what I saw was nothing but goals.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 04:42:37 PM EST
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AC vs Liverpool

Inter, perhaps?

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 05:11:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
http://lolbama.blogspot.com/

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 05:11:45 PM EST



"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 05:15:59 PM EST
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I like the third one.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 05:19:59 PM EST
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Okay, this is so wrong, but I can't resist.  Credit to some guy at Fark:



Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 07:57:25 PM EST
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Jerome is going to ground you for a week, young man.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 11:17:39 PM EST
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The Cheney one, dosn't it look like the children are puppets?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 05:23:23 PM EST
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Might get a rush of signatures tomorrow, one of the UK tabloids has STOP BLAIR as its front page headline tomorrow. Only caught it in passing, but it will be on Sky in the next 15 minutes.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 05:41:44 PM EST
Ah no it's front page of the Guardian tomorrow and apparently it's an article about how the Germans don't want Blair in charge. No links yet, so no knowledge as to wether the site is in the copy.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 05:46:36 PM EST
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The article has gone online by now:

Stop Blair: ambition to lead Europe hits fierce opposition | World news | The Guardian

Tony Blair's hopes of becoming Europe's first president are running into mounting opposition across the EU, with Germany determined to stymie the former prime minister.

A "Stop Blair" website run by pro-Europeans has launched a petition against him; a transnational, cross-party caucus in the European parliament is forming to campaign against a Blair presidency; senior officials in Brussels are privately dismissive about the new post going to a Briton; and senior diplomats in European capitals also doubt that Blair is the right person for the post being created under Europe's new reform treaty.

"There was surprise in Berlin when Blair's name came up so soon," said a European ambassador. Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany admires Blair and has "great personal sympathy for Tony", he added.

"But more generally the German political elite would be puzzled by the idea of Tony Blair. His track record on EU matters is not so great. There is unease about a Briton at the top in that job. And then personally with Blair, there's the Iraq thing."

It's a good article.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:01:23 PM EST
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The front page of the petition is overwhelmingly UK again.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:16:17 PM EST
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Forbes.com: The Traders Did It!
Ask many a chief executive to pinpoint the source of Wall Street's most recent woes, and he or she will explain it isn't a systemic collapse of risk management and sound judgment that brought on more than $100 billion in write-downs. Nope, the implosion bringing Wall Street to its knees is the work of a few low-level traders.

Just last month, France's second-largest bank, Société Générale unveiled a $7 billion loss from what it said were unauthorized trades put on by a 31-year-old index trader named Jerome Kerviel. The bank blamed the crafty Kerviel's maneuverings to hide his activities for the implosion. Critics more rightly questioned how one person could have $70 billion position hidden before the bank was forced to liquidate it in mid-January.

But Société Générale wasn't the first. Those traders have been up to no good all over the place. When Morgan Stanley chief John Mack announced a $9.4 billion fourth-quarter write-down that erased profits and led to a $3.6 billion loss for the company in December, he put the blame on "trading by a single desk in our mortgage business."



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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 06:04:15 PM EST
Early exit polling out of Wisconsin shows Obama winning women 51/49.  No MOE given but I assume a 2% separation is within it.

Once again, the only demographic going strongly for Clinton are the old farts, 65+.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 07:24:37 PM EST
I was looking forward to tonight, but I think my ferret, Bear, may well have cancer, and I'm very depressed.  It's been a shitty day overall, so I'm going to call in sick to work, get hammered and find out the Wisconsin results tomorrow.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 07:35:44 PM EST
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That's a bummer.

Our ferrets went within a year, all to cancer.  Unfortunately, they seem very prone to cancer as they age.

We haven't been in a house that is 'ferret-proofable' since and I'm missing little animated slinkies bouncing around.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 07:46:51 PM EST
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Mine are about, I guess, four years old now.  You're right, it's apparently pretty common.  That said, I don't know that he's got it yet, so, for now, I'm just trying to cram food down his throat to get the weight back up.

He seems happy to eat like mad suddenly, though, so I'm feeling a little better.

Anyway, what's your call for tonight, AT?  If O's got the womenfolk, you'd think that'd point to a pretty big win.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 07:51:15 PM EST
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Hawaii should be big for Obama.  I don't even know if Clinton made any effort at all there.

Wisconsin is a state that, on paper, should go for Clinton but polls are giving it to Obama.  The Clinton people are saying they expect it to be called for O directly after voting ends - 9 AM, in your area.  The Inevitable candidate has become the Managing-Expectations candidate.  ;-)

Have you read the latest out of Texas?  Apparently the Clinton people just read the rules and discovered what they are facing there.  

And in Pennsylvania they didn't bother to field a full delegate slate.  

What a bunch of chumps.

Any word about Edwards knocking off Wynn in your neck of the woods?  

(Being called to dinner.  Be back in a bit.)

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 08:09:31 PM EST
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Wisconsin all depends on who shows up.  If Obama did, indeed, win women (or lose by an almost-meaningless margin), I don't see how he loses tonight.

The Congressional Black Caucus is apparently very pissed at the SEIU for supporting Edwards over Wynn.  She really stomped him (and thank God for it).

Tejas is close, if you believe SurveyUSA, which seems to be the hot-handed pollster this year.  They've got it at 50-45%.  But, even if Clinton had won it by 9%, Obama would've likely walked away with the majority of delegates, so for it to be this close -- bearing in mind Obama hasn't begun campaigning yet -- is pretty bad.

Ohio's now 52-43% per SUSA, so that gap seems to be closing fast.  March 4th looks like it'll be a long night.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 08:16:43 PM EST
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Result from Exit Poll (via TPM):

Obama 55.3%
Clinton 42.98%

No idea if those will hold, since they may or may not have been weighted yet.  Obama apparently won among men, 61-35%, and then we know the 51-49% Obama "win" among women.  Women made up 57% of the electorate.

Again, could be complete bullshit if they're not properly weighted yet, but, if they are, Obama won.

Scattered reports say turnout was very high on the college campuses.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 08:30:44 PM EST
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All the foo-foo about "cold weather" is laughable.  It doesn't get cold in Wisconsin until it's -20F.  People tend to do their chores, schooling, or jobs during the daylight and then vote after dark.  I've read differing reports about turn-out.  

Wynn, from what I heard, was a lazy slob who neither represented nor served his district.  Good on them wot flung him out.  It should also serve as a wake-up to the rest of the lazy slobs and Blue Dogs.  

If the Black and Progressive Caucus' in Congress - not necessarily the same thing - get their act together and start politicing as a block the next Congress could get mighty interesting!

(Saw your comment on BooTrib.  You nasty boy.  :)

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:05:49 PM EST
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Heh.  Come on, it was too easy a joke to make!

Yeah, Wynn was a real joke.  Pro-war, apparently opposed the SCHIP expansion, etc.  Bad guy, and I'm glad Donna Edwards blew him away.

Ah, but the weather might've been important for the elderly.  The cities were apparently ice rinks today, for all practical purposes.

Fucking McCain's up there threatening Chavez!

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:11:19 PM EST
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;-)

There's a (Japanese?) proverb, "Those we kill with our mouths live the longest."

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:37:05 PM EST
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Fits the whole Obama-Clinton game pretty well. ;)

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:38:35 PM EST
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Have a beer & forget politics for a while.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 07:49:17 PM EST
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Nah, I'm alright.  Snapped back -- the benefit of being mildly bipolar. ;)  Am going to have a beer, though.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 07:53:11 PM EST
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Exit polls for those interested:

Obama won women, 51-49%, apparently.  Also apparently won families with income below $50k (median), 51-49%.  Won Indies, 63-34%.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 07:44:33 PM EST
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Christ, Pat Buchanan has been just ripping into Michelle Obama for her "For the first time, I was really proud of my country" comment.  I give him half an hour before he burns a cross on the MSNBC set.  I knew the "uppity wife" meme would eventually emerge.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 08:44:26 PM EST
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Who gives a damn what Buchanan says.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 08:52:22 PM EST
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It's a shame when he flies off the handle, because he's actually a hell of a political analyst.  Not always right, but always with some pretty solid insights about the ebb and flow of campaigns.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 08:55:19 PM EST
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McCain wins.  Obama/Clinton "too early to call," but saying that it looks like a "substantial margin" for Obama.  So apparently the exit polls held.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:02:19 PM EST
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Those exit poll numbers were, indeed, the weighted exit polls.  So, again, it should be in the neighborhood of

Obama 55.30%
Clinton 42.98%

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:03:52 PM EST
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That's impressive.  A 12 point win in a state that Clinton should have been competitive in?  That's real impressive.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:08:55 PM EST
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She lost everybody but the 65+ crowd (again, assuming the exit polls are roughly correct).  Essentially older white women are the last remaining portion of her base in these kinds of states.

Latinos are another story, but I wouldn't bet on Latinos if I were her.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:13:48 PM EST
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Historically, Latinos don't vote in Texas.  That's why the border districts have so few delegates.  So she has  the 65+ and a group that doesn't vote to propel her to victory.

This is starting to get ridiculous.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:26:50 PM EST
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That works with the assumption that nothing happens within those two groups.  Obama beat her with Latinos on the Potomac.  She won them big in SoCal, but the margins decreased as you moved East through AZ and NM.

They're virtually tied in Texas at this point, I'd guess.  And Obama winning Ohio is not at all out of the question.  An Obama win in either one probably puts this to bed.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:31:27 PM EST
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The "incumbent effect" matter a great deal: Obama won late-deciders 63-37%.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:32:57 PM EST
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A month ago Clinton was up - what? - 10 or 20 points?  

The man is impressive.  Ya gotta admit.  The man is impressive.

He's got the organization, he's got the patter, and now he's running the table.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:45:18 PM EST
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If this winds up with a similar margin to what the exit polls predict, I just don't see how she recovers.  She's just camped herself in Ohio.  Is she going to concede Texas now?  She's strong in Ohio, so why not park it in Texas for now?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:50:34 PM EST
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She's got 1,000+ delegates.  In theory there is the potential to do well in Texas and Ohio to jump back into the lead.

Notice, tho', that Clinton does OK in a state until she arrives and campaigns?    ;0

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 10:04:47 PM EST
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I have noticed that, actually.  She seems to either plateau or fall a bit, while Obama's numbers suddenly begin rising exponentially.  The effect already seems to be taking place in Texas and Ohio, and he's got a lot of time left.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 10:07:11 PM EST
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This gives a bit of history.

That's a good site, BTW.

The AA vote in Ohio is going to be pumped.  They will know Clinton is on the ropes and they could be the ones to knock her out for the first AA presidential nominee of a major political party.  And one with a very good chance to be elected.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 10:24:19 PM EST
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Big time.  If I had to guess, I'd say that Obama will still lose the Latino vote, but I think he'll close some of the current two-to-one gap, bringing it to perhaps 55-45% or 53-47%.  Blacks will overwhelm that with the typical 80-20/90-10% split, and the final result will be determined by whites in Houston, Dallas-Ft Worth and Austin.

I have to think it favors Obama.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 10:28:49 PM EST
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And, yes, running the table is really something.  Nine in a row -- perhaps ten by the end of the night -- is pretty stunning.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:52:33 PM EST
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To be blunt about it, Texas has a nasty history and culture of racism.  This makes me think the 65+ (white) demo, outside of the major metro areas, will stay with Clinton.

Historically, blacks and Latinos in Texas -- as across the US West generally -- have gotten along pretty well and, to be blunt about it, the TexMex culture doesn't put a high value on women having leading roles in politics.

Now add they just found-out Texas got caucus ...

I think Clinton is going to get creamed in Texas.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:51:36 PM EST
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Oh, in terms of delegates, I think she's going to get slaughtered there, and that in a state she desperately needed a big win from.  Not knowing about the caucuses just revealed more of the extent to which her staff is incompetent.

Not sure about TexMex culture, though.  What about Ann Richards and Molly Ivins?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:55:19 PM EST
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We need a victory/concession speech drinking game.  Jen suggested that everytime Obama ends a sentence with "when I'm president of the United States of America," and everytime Clinton says "I'm ready on Day One," we take a shot (or a sip of beer).

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 10:00:53 PM EST
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No bet.  I'm a lightweight.  After 10 minutes I'd be annoying my housemates with songs from the IWW Little Red Song Book

LOL

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 10:12:50 PM EST
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LOL, oh, dear.  That won't do.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 10:14:55 PM EST
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Not meaning to pry, but who is Jen?  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 10:27:00 PM EST
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Significant other.

Hey, sorry about last night.  I fell asleep!

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Feb 20th, 2008 at 06:00:03 AM EST
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MSNBC calls it for Obama.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 09:19:07 PM EST
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Czech police wonder where bridge has gone | Metro.co.uk

Police in the Czech republic are trying to find out who stole a 4 tonne railway bridge from the border town of Cheb.

The company which was responsible for looking after the bridge raised the alarm when, ever alert, they noticed that the bridge wasn't there any more.

What's "Personal use"?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 08:43:07 PM EST
It means no one else gets to play with your new bridge, unless they ask nicely.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 at 10:09:45 PM EST
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