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Friday Photography Blog No. 24

by In Wales Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 09:47:35 AM EST

Hooray, doesn't the week go fast?!


The blog is in two parts again- one for the popular "What/Where is it?" for us to wrack our brains over, or simply to help you work out the location of that great shot where you can no longer remember the place you took it.

The second part is for "Photos As Usual", whatever you want to post.

Please try to keep to 600 pixels width and less than 100kb in file size and take a look at Wednesday Photography Blog No.2 for the technical bits on how to post.

Please enjoy!



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"WHAT/WHERE IS IT?"
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 02:22:09 AM EST
What kind of bird is this? I don't know.


by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 02:23:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Cousin?



Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 05:53:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Where is this?



Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:03:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, come now, you must have a harder one than that. ;-)
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:18:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Shush :-)

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:50:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, not everyone is from around here. Although at times it seems everyone has at least been here.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 12:45:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Hell, I live here, and I wasn't sure.  Not counting my daily trek from L'Enfant to Suitland, I've only been into the District four or five times since moving here, and I haven't been to Chinatown since I was thirteen years old.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 10:13:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, it's a Chinatown Gate, and given the two people who find it easy, it's perhaps a question of what town they both know?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 01:20:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Sorry, three people. Where's Drew?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 01:23:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
DC.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 10:01:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's what I was hinting at. I thought it was probably DC, and I knew you were thereabouts.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 02:39:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's not crowded enough to be New York, so I was going to go with either San Francisco or Washington.  Too many blacks and not filthy enough to be San Francisco (ducks), and Stormy and Gringo are kind of a giveaway, so I'll go with DC -- home of the half-assed, rapidly-contracting Chinatown.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 10:10:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Anser cygnoides--Swan-goose also known as Chinese or African goose.




The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)

by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 12:48:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Easy really - how was the photo taken?


by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 02:26:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Mirrors on the restaurant wall?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 04:12:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Far too easy!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 04:16:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes. What is it...where is it?



Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 05:09:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I know but I'm leaving it for others :-)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:49:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Is the head of household a German?
by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 04:06:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Nope, was French.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 04:50:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Fontainebleau, le chateau :D
by estHer on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 01:56:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Grrrr-e-a-t, estHer!!!!

But which part of the Château of Fontainebloop?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 03:14:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
estHer is toying with her dad. She's in Grenoble with a friend, skiing.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 04:12:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Where are these from?



Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 05:25:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The first two from Jamaica, then I see a Sikh guy, no clue about the rest.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 05:29:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Sorry :-(

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 05:34:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Then the inspirator: Ethiopia.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 05:51:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Sorry :-(

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 05:55:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Somewhere in South Africa?
by The3rdColumn on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:17:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Sorry :-(

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:31:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
This market is way too orderly!!!
by Nomad on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 09:09:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Is the question the place of the market (in which case I'd guess somewhere in Paris), or the origin of the ethnic ware?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 10:04:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
afew had guessed it; see just below.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 10:29:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Anyway. Now, were the sellers on the first two pictures from Ethiopia?

By the way, when is the next film blog, who hosts it and what should I watch for it?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 10:55:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I have no idea where all these vendors came from.
The next film blog is on March 14th hosted by Sven. The films are The Seven Samurai and The Magnificant Seven.
I have the two films with me and hope to watch at least one this wekend. I have my doubts about the film blog in its current form; it requires time which many ET'ers do not have. If there's not more participation this time then we have to think of a different format.
There is also no way on ET to keep reminding people aside from the open thread. I think we need a bulletin board or calendar for special events which can be continually updated.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:18:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I must admit that all these years, though I saw a number of Kurosawa's films, I only managed to get five minutes of The Seven Samurai. A good opportunity to download it.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 12:17:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Les Puces? (Flea Market north of Paris)?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:14:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You are hot today baby!



Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:39:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:55:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It's sideways, for one thing.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:57:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
corect

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:02:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm going to refrain from saying what it is so other people will have a chance to guess...
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:09:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Stormy. you must be very good at puzzles. You love the "what is it" days.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:11:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
True.  Although I don't know if I'm any better at puzzles than average, I just really enjoy them.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:14:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
My crazy guess - artificial eyelashes.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:46:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Mine too.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:48:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I wonder if we now must guess whether a woman or a man is wearing them?
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:18:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
With glitter?  My guess would be a man.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:25:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It's a woman, on her way to a 70's disco



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:36:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Now I'm having nighmares all weekend...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 10:06:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'll tell her you said that. ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 10:07:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I looked at the street from the balcony this morning - and two policemen looked at me:

1-police-50691

Like the onlookers, I wondered what was going on.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:47:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]
My first guess was that they were looking for illegal immigrants.

It became clear after some time that it was the re-enactment of a crime, with witnesses directing two young policemen who were playing the roles of those involved in the case.

"It happened down here" - (prisoner in white trousers with police body-armour):

police-diderot-s-50694

It seemed one guy had gone down in a fight:

police-guy-down-s-50696

Later another witness adds a new dimension - the other guy is now down :

police-witness-prisoner-50710

It was only when I looked at the photos on the computer that I realised that this was more than just an ordinary fight. It was like Antonioni's "Blow-up" or that scene in "Blade Runner" when Dekard examines a photo in detail on his computer. Note the the right hand of the policeman in white body-armour :

police-knife2-50702

Again it was only on the computer that I saw the telling detail and realised that it wasn't just a punch-up - did somebody get killed across the road from us one night ?

police-knife-50704

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:49:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Bravo Ted. These are great.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:55:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Thanks LEP. They're a bit rough technically - but they are just part of images taken at tele end of Lumix's limited zoom. But my excuse is that it just enhances the gritty realism :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 09:05:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I've spent a chunk of my free-time this week worrying about technical issues like noise, noise reduction and so on. As as result the first thing I saw in those were the artefacts in the image: I may need to get a life.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 09:10:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

It could be that the prisoner is about to lose a big chunk of his life.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:14:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Did they see you taking these?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 09:34:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Who needs cctv when you have Ted with his Lumix?
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 09:59:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

If there had been cctv there might have been no need for this expensive re-enactment - there were lawyers and about a dozen policemen there for more than two hours. Who knows, if the police had been alerted when the fight started, maybe a life might have been saved.  

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:31:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Don't you think the body armour indicates a risk of reprisals (of the shooter kind)?

I mean, this might not have been a casual fight but a gang thing?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:40:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes, I thought about the possible reprisals aspect. Unfortunately we've come to realise this isn't a very nice area (pardon the pun). A cafe opened across the road after we moved in and tends to attract young guys who drink till late and I've witnessed a few drunken scuffles.

The body-armour has made me less likely to repeat what I did the other week, when a group were talking loudly round a car with door open and loud music. I was so annoyed I went onto the balcony and yelled - very loudly (in French) "Hey - there are children asleep - think of other people." Had it been the UK I'd probably have got jeers and more noise for a long time. To my surprise, they look startled, said nothing, and very soon went away.

Now I understand why I've almost never seen a neighbour look out of a window, let alone shout at them :-) Maybe I was lucky to get away with it - and the guys were just so surprised at the unusual intervention.  

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 12:19:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
They just didn't want to fuck with an obviously English "tough."

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 12:42:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

More likely an obviously English idiot :-) - who seemed angry enough to possibly phone the police if the noise continued.  

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 02:22:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
When I lived on one of the rougher estates in Corby, I heard the sounds of a fight behind my house. on opening the window I found a gang of about six skinheads kicking lumps out of a bloke lieing in a ball on the floor. so I yelled that if they didn't leave now I was going to call the police. to which one replied "We Are the police" producing a warrant card. At which point a retreat was the prudent response.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 03:47:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The ones who looked up in the first photo did - but there   was no knock at the door.

I was in a pub in Kilburn (an area of London with a lot of Irish) some years ago, standing at the door on a warm evening. Three guys came out of the pub and suddenly vans erupted police with guns and pushed one of the guys against the wall - several guns pointed at his back. I had my camera with me, but thought it wiser not to point anything at police with guns in their hands. It would have made a great photo, especially as there was a poster just above the guy against the wall - for an Irish bank ! :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:11:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
They were being fairly cool (the Nice ones). That crime-scene replay is an official event, with magistrates, police, barristers, witnesses, and at least one suspect present, and they could have more or less politely told you not to take photos.

Kilburn pubs I remember from years back, and they didn't have a safe sort of feel... You were no doubt very wise not to take pictures, you might have found yourself up against (the wall and) some mean and possibly Special Branch coppers.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:35:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

As I remember it, the cops were very psyched up - now one thinks of the case of the young Brazilian shot on suspicion in the tube in London. This was the time of the conflict in Northern Ireland - and with any sudden movement one of them might have shot first and asked what I had in my hands afterwards - especially as it was a SLR - not the friendly little Lumix :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 12:07:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
There were no guns around on this occasion, but I didn't feel it was time to make a speech about my rights...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 12:35:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Pretty easy, I suspect.

""

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson

by NearlyNormal on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 09:18:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
is that the cliff village at Mesa Verde?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 09:50:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes it is, from a perch just above the "restored" portion.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:34:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 10:31:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
South of England coast...? Can't remember the exact location as I thought about Jersey and got it mixed up !

"What can I do, What can I write, Against the fall of Night". A.E. Housman
by margouillat (hemidactylus(dot)frenatus(at)wanadoo(dot)fr) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 05:23:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
German Coastal observation bunker in Jersey (MP3)! It was used in a james bond movie ?

"What can I do, What can I write, Against the fall of Night". A.E. Housman
by margouillat (hemidactylus(dot)frenatus(at)wanadoo(dot)fr) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 12:18:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I might have posted this before, but I don't know as I got an answer.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:12:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You did post it before but I can't remember where it is!  It reminds me of the gates to the law courts near Notre Dame in Paris.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:27:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
South!

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:28:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I remember it was Egypt.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 12:20:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yep, it's the gates of Aswan Cathedral

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 01:24:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Ah-hah!  That's why it's not familiar, I haven't been to Aswan.  But I did peg the Coptic part.  (Not hard with the crosses and all....)
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 01:29:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
And I was betting on you getting it.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 01:37:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It can't be what I initially thought it was because (a) you wouldn't have been allowed to take a picture of it, and (b) there wouldn't be women casually sitting on the steps.  On closer inspection, it looks like it could be the Coptic Museum?
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 01:29:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Two of my favorite pastry shops in Cardiff. Oh wait; it can't be Cardiff; they don't use the euro there!



Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:54:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Ha ha!  We don't get lovely cakes like that as a matter of course in shop windows round 'ere.  And when you say pastry shops I think of pies and pasties not cakes.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 12:06:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Which also reminds me of a lad in my year who went to write the name of his favourite actress on a wall and ended up writing 'Pasty Kensit'.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 12:10:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I was just trying to lure you to the "big city" with sweets so that you'd give me some photography lessons.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 09:29:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
No point trying to lure me with things I can't eat!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 12:12:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Why is that? If it's too personal don't answer.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 12:24:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm totally lactose intolerant and not great with wheat either!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 12:41:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, that's a downer. I'll have to lure you with this. then:



Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 12:52:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
This will not be easy.


A Community Affair or Old Style Recreation


I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 12:56:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It looks a little like the gardens near the Louvre in Paris.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 01:13:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Not close, really, but a good guess.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 03:32:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Enigmatic. It doesn't look recent. It might even go several decades back. The band looks like one of those all-wind (+ percussion?) set-ups the French call the harmonie.

The group is made up mostly of retired people and children. Ladies are dancing together, possibly for lack of male partners. Perhaps because it's daytime on a workday. Not enough people are dancing, anyway, for it to be a formal occasion. It looks improvised.

There's a fountain to the left, drops are falling. The place looks public, a park or garden, perhaps of a palace or "stately home". It looks French to me, but there's no clincher.

So. An afternoon concert somewhere in a French public garden attracts older folk for the dancing and mothers with their kids?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 03:50:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Fantastic analysis! Very observant. I will give a few hints because no one will guess otherwise.  It is a Sunday afternoon in 1995.  The park scene is in a city that is the capital of a very small country the nominal language of which is a descendent of Latin. Wine produced there is very good but traditionally not appreciated outside certain areas.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 08:43:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Aha. So this could be in Bucarest?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 01:23:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Or Lisbon. In fact, I wouldn't call Romania "very small".

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 03:22:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Agreed, but what about the wine?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 02:44:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What about the wine? I wouldn't put Port (or Sherry) in the wine category really. While an exchange student in the UK, my sister was asked whether in Spain we prefer French or Italian wine. Which means even Spanish wine is little known outside conoisseur circles.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 at 06:01:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Port wine is among the best-known wines in the world, and has been over a longer period than many. Whereas Romania (and the same is true of Moldova, which I didn't think of) has excellent wines (apparently) that are little-known. But no, I didn't think it was a "small country" either.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 at 04:06:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I suspect there are such parks all across Europe, from Lisbon to Moscow. Personally, I first thought of a park in Vienna when I saw the photo.

But with your hint, I quickly guessed Moldovan capital Chişinău, and indeed it seems to be a fountain in Pushkin Park:



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 04:07:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
DoDo gets the prize! Good sleuthing. I honestly didn't think anyone would guess.  We drove from Bucharest to Chisinau and back in 1995. Moldova was kind of grim back then, but I returned years later and things had improved somewhat.  Beautiful country and the wine is wonderful and inexpensive. I think at one time Moldova was the principal supplier of wine within the Soviet Union, maybe still. The quality is very good and I think it could export to the whole world if permitted. I haven't seen Moldovan wine in the US though.



I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 10:32:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I recall something about a wine copyright issue? Will try to look it up.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 12:16:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I found no copyright issue, only tariffs, and a March 2006-October 2007 ban by Russia on Moldovan wine for not meeting health standards (behind which Moldovans suspected a political motive).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 12:50:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Interesting articles.  I really have a lot of sympathy for all of those former Soviet republics that are trying to maintain/improve their economies and maintain independence. Visiting most of them during the mid 90s, I saw a lot of people living in poor conditions and it did not appear as if improvements would come rapidly.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 04:14:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What?


What?


What?

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 05:15:10 AM EST
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The first: looking down a well? The second: the antennae of some bug? The third: lightning catcher atop a church?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 05:54:45 AM EST
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I was thinking the second was a moth.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 06:01:27 AM EST
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Yes!

Very good...

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 01:12:10 PM EST
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Genau!

Das ist richtig!

A well at a winery in Napa...

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 01:11:39 PM EST
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The third is indeed a lightning rod (with replaceable tip), used at least once...

Though it's on a Turm (tower) in the Schwarzwald...

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 01:17:36 PM EST
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The second one makes me think of 'Tausendfüssler', I think 'centipeds' in English.

The third I am undecided between a Minaret and a (electric) screwdriver against the sky. :-)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 05:55:15 AM EST
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Hundertfüßer = centipede,

Tausendfüßer = millipede.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 06:40:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
thanks DoDo - so I guess your antennas might be more correct. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 07:08:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Ceebs has it above, a moth...
by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 01:13:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What, where, and why is it significant?


If you know what, then you know where...

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 05:18:30 AM EST
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The first is the old synagogue in Prague. But you got me with the second, though the stone color looks familiar...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 06:33:04 AM EST
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Once again, you are correct sir!

But why is it so significant? Or what about is so?

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 01:20:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't know, I can look it up on Wiki or Google, but answering that way is not fair.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 02:37:24 PM EST
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The stone is fantastic, a wonderful color (sandstone, I think)...

It is next to the Neckar...

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 02:01:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If it is near the Neckar it could the castle in Heidelberg.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 02:08:01 PM EST
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Damn! Indeed it is! I thought of everything else in the region, even including Heidelberg University, but forgot about the intact part of the castle facade...

When I was here for the first time, we did the full tour in group behind a tour guide, who told a lot of anecdotes about the recent history of the castle. Then when the tour ended and he said farewell to everyone, he came to us -- and greeted us in Hungarian: an emigree...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 02:29:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
giele's photo shows the inner courtyard side:



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 02:32:01 PM EST
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The scaffolding on one side on gioele's photo reminds me of one 'anecdote' told by that tour guide: an old women exclaimed at the end of a prior tour, "I was here in my childhood, and it looks exactly the same!" To which the tour guide responded in his own re-telling "But dear lady, we had to spend millions for it to look the same..."

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 02:35:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Hi In Wales, been busy so wasn't able to re-post photos... Here they are.

A bit of paradise fronting the China Sea, where is it?

by The3rdColumn on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 06:54:30 PM EST
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A bit of paradise fronting the China Sea, where is it?

by The3rdColumn on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 06:57:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Still in that bit of paradise fronting the China sea...

by The3rdColumn on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 06:59:25 PM EST
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Last of bit of paradise by the China Sea series...
by The3rdColumn on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 07:01:48 PM EST
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No worries about the delay and thanks for reposting, they are great photos!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 4th, 2008 at 02:25:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

by The3rdColumn on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 07:06:40 PM EST
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If I remember rightly, afew got the answer right to these two photos... Bravo!
by The3rdColumn on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 07:08:57 PM EST
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"PHOTOS AS USUAL"
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 02:22:42 AM EST
My cheeky nephew - he moves too much, I couldn't lock the focus on his eyes...



by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 02:24:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 04:29:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

taken with this set-up:

setup

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 04:36:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Note the expensive elastic-band-and-sheet-of-paper brand bounce set-up.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:04:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
My word Colman. How much did you spend?
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:43:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Fairy Island

Taken with the GR-D and a Cokin IR filter.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 04:38:48 AM EST
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That's come out really well.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 10:01:21 AM EST
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Actually, it's an entry for screwed up photos as well - I completely forgot that IR focuses in front of visible light so that setting the focus to infinity manually was not a wining scheme - the thing is completely out of focus, so that it certainly won't enlarge any bigger than that. Silly me.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 10:10:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Your IR attempts are much better than mine so far!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 10:31:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Sam's getting a touch bored at flashes going off this week:

Cthulhu Sam

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 04:41:11 AM EST
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Men!!!

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde
by Sam on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 04:53:33 AM EST
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Right, Sam!  Let him believe 'it's the flashes' and 'boredom', but we know better......  (;

That´s the spirit!

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 01:33:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Personally I blame the hormones...

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde
by Sam on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 02:34:30 PM EST
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estHer is away on vacation but she left me four photos to post for her.

A photo of a photo- she on the right and her best friend from her Paris days- eight years ago.

The others are more recent.



Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:02:51 AM EST
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studying pinks is definitely the principal reason for living in i-tal-ia.

(land of valleys)

the tropical sunsets seem so over the top garish, whereas these roses and gossamer pinks destroy me, how does pink ever get so pure?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:51:03 AM EST
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Tonopah Nev.

""

  Coming off the Extraterrestrial Highway I stopped at an old spring for a smoke and a couple also on a bike stopped to check out if I was okay (it being the desert and all) then we rode on in to Tonopah.  I pulled up next to them on the outskirts of town and got this as we stopped to watch the sunset.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson

by NearlyNormal on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 09:33:42 AM EST
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this one was pitch black, i hit the 'enhance' button in iphoto, and voila!

that's going to be it for i think for this week, my 'flickrexport' software is on the blink. it won't take the reg. no. and i'm waiting for tech help to get back to me. iphoto crashed hard twice yesterday, and offered me to set up with no prefs...i shoulda said no, but clicked 'yes' and now...

botheration!

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:55:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

the long, long road of teaching myself to bake good bread...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 02:50:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

another oddity, especially as the white circle that looks like the sun, isn't!

the real sun was 15 pts west and below the hill-line.

???

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 02:52:55 PM EST
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It looks like the moon two or three days short of full. Say, about the 17th or 18th of this month?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 03:00:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
i took it yesterday.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 03:15:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

here's one i didn't get around to posting last week

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 03:06:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

These are my Italia World Cup victory flip-flops. I think he must be a fan of the French team. Viva Italia!


Plotting his escape...

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 05:22:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
These are my Italia World Cup victory flip-flops. I think he must be a fan of the French team.

I love that cat ;-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 06:36:08 AM EST
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Yeah, well wait till I get him his EU/Italian pet passport, then he'll have to join the club (so to speak)...

Pet passport

He is GREAT!

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 01:29:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

this gent kindly let me take his pic as he was waiting for his needles to be taken out.

the chiropractor uses them for healing, though he told me it's not acupuncture. similar, but different.

there was a lady, also bristling needles, who told us the story of her health breakdown, she was dizzy and nauseous to the point where she couldn't eat, lost strength and weight and could not move from her bed for 8 days. her doctors had no idea how to heal her, and then by chance she met Davide Testerini, who took her in hand, and now she's fine.

he is the son of a local dentist, who went to the states and became a chiropractor, then returned to italy, took a medical degree, and has specialised in cognitive neurology.

he used no drugs, simply giving her spinal adjustments, needle therapy and exercises.

he flies out to boston once a month to teach at harvard medical school for two weeks.

he allowed to take this snap of him. wonderful healer, man on a mission.
 

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 08:20:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Fascinating, melo!

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 08:38:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]


'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 09:14:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]
A few photos from my daughter's (Mira's) camera...

by delicatemonster (delicatemons@delicatemonster.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 10:01:01 AM EST
I love the suspended motion of the second one!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 10:04:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Beat me to it, was just about to comment the same when I saw yours.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 10:06:50 AM EST
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Mira says 'Thanks'!
by delicatemonster (delicatemons@delicatemonster.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:50:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The child's eyes in the first photo are wonderful.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 10:30:40 AM EST
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Thanks! Her name is Natasha, a friend's daughter. She's part Swiss and part American Indian and part Swede.

A nice combo, as it turns out :-)

by delicatemonster (delicatemons@delicatemonster.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:55:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Mira the well-named wins the portrait competition. And the acrobatics!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 12:41:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Thanks for the kind words! My daughter read your comment and she's really pleased that you like the photographs.

But I don't know about 'winning' anything....this blog has so many wonderful photographs--portraits and others.

by delicatemonster (delicatemons@delicatemonster.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:49:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
How old is Mira?

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 02:39:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]
She will be 14 in two months.
by delicatemonster (delicatemons@delicatemonster.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 01:22:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Mira is the same age as estHer, my daughter, who will be 14 in two weeks. estHer is an avid photographer and I post several of her photos here each week since she's in school when the photo blog takes place and can't do it herself. estHer is a member and comments from time to time on ET and did write a couple of diaries here when she was twelve.
You should get Mira to join ET and maybe they can converse. We're in France but estHer does get along in English since I'm American and I have been speaking English to her since her infancy.
Are you in Richmond, Va? I lived in D.C. for close to 40 years.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 05:23:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, Richmond,VA--home of the ex-confederacy. A very strange place, actually, with monuments to folks that would, in less rarefied climes, be called traitors I suppose. Occasionally, we get the round up of local yokels all dressed out in wool confederate wear in the middle of July. They always looked a little pained ...

I ran into a museum curator who actually said "Save your confederate money, for the South shall rise again." I couldn't tell if he was joking or not:-)

I'll get Mira to post here -- Thanks, that's a great idea.

by delicatemonster (delicatemons@delicatemonster.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 10:44:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I know Richmond. I had a cinema there in the 70's and 80's; near VCU.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 11:02:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If memory serves me from the mid-later 80s, would that be the old Biograph theater, that showed what VCU students considered relatively exotic foreign films ...? Ingram Bergman 7th seal and so forth? Earlier, I heard, Bruce Springsteen was penning tunes for the E-street band on the stair steps of the Village cafe, two or three blocks down.

All of this pre-dates me, but I was there in the mid to late 80s and still remember the Biograph. If that was your concern, kudos for bringing culture to a relative wasteland.

by delicatemonster (delicatemons@delicatemonster.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 09:24:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes. It  was the old Biograph; (the main one of course was in Washington) which opened in 1972. We always lost money in Richmond because the city and VCU were just not big enough to support an art theatre. If my memory still serves me well, we gave the Biograph in Richmond to our manager in 1975. He lasted a few years and then it closed. I went to Richmond several times over the years and always enjoyed it. I don't remember hearing about Bruce Springsteen.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 11:56:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Make that "we gave the Biograph in Richmond to our manager in 1985."

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 at 05:20:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
delicate monster, thanks for these, all of them are splendid!

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Mar 1st, 2008 at 05:25:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hi Melo,

Don't thank me, thank my daughter and thank you! I've been scrolling through your photos and they are phenomenal...My wife and I visited the Le Marche region of Italy once and it's got the same quality of light you've captured. Just gorgeous. She studied in Perugia at the University for Foreigners and loved it.

I was born there, but adopted to the states when I was quite young. But I think if there was a place I'd ever be happy to die, it'd be Italy. I know that sounds weird, but I think it's true.

by delicatemonster (delicatemons@delicatemonster.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 09:35:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
hey dm

thanks for the feedback...i just catch light really.

umbria is neighbour to le marche, i can see its mountains from near where i am.

i hope you make it back again, and comps to your daughter!

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 at 09:53:52 PM EST
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