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Green Can Mean Growth

by afew Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 06:38:42 AM EST

A wire on Terra Daily appears to give the lie to conventional wisdom on GHG emissions reduction and economic growth. You know, green policies mean no or negative growth, growth requires no restrictions on business, the US cannot thrive without CO2, Kyoto is "not in America's interest", etc...

Reducing Carbon Emissions Could Help US Economy

A national policy to cut carbon emissions by as much as 40 percent over the next 20 years could still result in increased economic growth, according to an interactive website that reviews 25 of the leading economic models used to predict the economic impacts of reducing emissions.

"As Congress prepares to debate new legislation to address the threat of climate change, opponents claim that the costs of adopting the leading proposals would be ruinous to the U.S. economy. The world's leading economists who have studied the issue say that's wrong - and you can find out for yourself," said Robert Repetto, professor in the practice of economics and sustainable development at the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies who created the site.

OK, the Yale site does meta-analysis using various macro-economic models, so caveat emptor. But those who predict disaster for the American economy in the case of restrictive environmental policies also claim to base their prophecies on economic models, so it seems to me it's tit for tat.

There's a questions page where you can vary your assumptions about future events and the probable effects of policy, and the site provides GDP forecasts based on your choices. Go along and play with it, or just catch the summary below the fold:


Growth rates of the U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) have been 3 percent per year over recent decades. With emissions reduced by 40 percent below projected business-as-usual trends, even under most pessimistic assumptions the GDP would grow 2.4 percent a year, reaching $23 trillion by 2030, according to the website's predictions. Under the most favorable assumptions, GDP would rise slightly above 3 percent a year.

And note this:

"The website shows that even under the most unfavorable assumptions regarding costs, the U.S. economy is predicted to continue growing robustly as carbon emissions are reduced," said Repetto. "Under favorable assumptions, the economy would grow more rapidly if emissions are reduced through national policy measures than if they are allowed to increase as in the past."

Whodda thunk? There must surely be something wrong with their models...

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Truly important.

The false meme, "economy versus the environment", is faced across the globe in efforts to move forward toward a Prosperous, Climate-Friendly Society.  It is a long, hard slog to fight.

Just yesterday, I saw a WSJ video (see: http://energysmart.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/wsj-the-anti-business-newspaper-of-record/) in which the statement was made by the interviewer along the lines that "every single study shows conclusively shows that you will hurt the economy ..."  This will be great to have the serious studies that blast that down.

Thank you (very much) for calling this to our attention. I know what I will need to be looking at and examining ...  

Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart. NOW!!!

by a siegel (siegeadATgmailIGNORETHISdotPLEASEcom) on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 07:15:59 AM EST
a siegel:
The false meme, "economy versus the environment", is faced across the globe in efforts to move forward toward a Prosperous, Climate-Friendly Society.  It is a long, hard slog to fight.

The problem with the economy vs the environment  meme is that sooner or later the environment wins.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 09:04:28 AM EST
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statement was made by the interviewer along the lines that "every single study shows conclusively shows that you will hurt the economy ..."

Heh. I'd be interested to know which studies the WSJ flak was thinking of there. If they are the sort of polluter-interest pablum that got wheeled out ahead of the phase-out of CFCs or the deployment of S02 scrubbers then the fact that every one of these so called studies massively overstated the costs and completely missed the benefits of the cleanup policies they were lobbying against at the time is a material point I think.

These guys have got serious form when it comes to failing to accurately predict consequences.

Regards
Luke

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by silburnl on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 10:10:13 AM EST
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I assume that they mean things like the falsely stated "independent study" from SAIC done for ACCF/NAM. (See:  http://energysmart.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/ass-u-me/ and http://energysmart.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/lies-damned-lies-statistics-and-statistics-from-industry -on-pollution-control-costs/)

Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart. NOW!!!
by a siegel (siegeadATgmailIGNORETHISdotPLEASEcom) on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 10:24:12 AM EST
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It is interesting and useful.

One item of interest is that you are limited in saying how much damage will occur to the 'economy' to the assumptions of the Stern Report (it looks to be) which, while very strong work, is conservative (imo and the opinion of many others) in outlining just how serious the economic dislocations, disruptions, and damage from Global Warming could become, in part because it is limited by the conservative work of the IPCC, which is behind what is happening in the real world.  

Thus, the baseline assumption is quite likely too optimistic about economic growth and there is no way to deal with this when playing with the assumptions.

Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart. NOW!!!

by a siegel (siegeadATgmailIGNORETHISdotPLEASEcom) on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 07:59:05 AM EST
Yes, I noticed too that you are limited to saying, at most, that climate change will 100% certainly cause damage... But you can't put a value on how much.

But it's an interesting attempt to go against the tide of CW promoted by a certain kind of (currently established) business interests.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 08:15:03 AM EST
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Well, sure.  I mean, if we're going to accept the findings of backwoods colleges like Yale (never heard of it, personally)....

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 09:06:49 AM EST
Preznit went there, not good sign ;)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 11:59:59 AM EST
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I think as long as it wasn't produced by the B-school, we're fine.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 at 12:03:37 PM EST
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of the global carbon trading empire will fund a single rooftop solar array, not one single array.

http://www.docudharma.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=4B44A68B157124296EFBFF816A087286?diaryId=5440

by Lasthorseman on Fri Mar 21st, 2008 at 08:19:45 PM EST


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