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by In Wales Fri May 9th, 2008 at 12:53:27 PM EST

Hello there.


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I'm off out tonight to run wild (or something) at The Point.  It's a great music venue, caters well to more alternative tastes than trashy pop/club venues full of cloned boyz n girlz in the town centre.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 12:57:05 PM EST
Looks like a great place.  It reminds me of a bar we used to go to in Notts City Centre that was in an old church.  Always had acoustic bands that played stuff I grew up with.  I really loved it.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:03:14 PM EST
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I didn't know you could get girl clonez? Explainez.

I guess the nearest thing I can think of are bois.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:04:20 PM EST
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I wasn't aware that the Welsh had legalized human cloning.  Why wasn't this covered on ET?!


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:07:58 PM EST
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Censorship.  It was covered, but Gonzales couldn't have we Yanks getting any ideas.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:12:09 PM EST
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Which Gonzales? The old one or the new one?


Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 05:58:44 AM EST
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Well I made it up. If I repeat it enough it becomes real though, right?  

I'm referring to all those girls/girlz (see, it makes it look trendier...) who I can't tell apart because their clothes are the same, the hair is the same colour and style, and they all wear so much make up that no original features are left.  They are the ones usually falling about in the middle of the street with hardly anything on at 2am in the freezing cold with drunk leery lads lurching at them.  It's grim.  Perhaps this is for one of DoDo's diaries.  

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:15:07 PM EST
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Ah, I understand, and I know exactly the kind of girl you're on about. I mistook your reference for something else though, my fault.

I always wonder how they manage to wear so much makeup without:

a) wanting to scrape it all off after about five minutes,
b) getting some kind of poisoning as it leaches into their skin, and
c) realising how scary they look.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:24:01 PM EST
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This place is a hippie magnet, isn't it?

I'm going back over to the Meta thread to complain about the rampant anti-fabulousness bias at ET.  ...Right after I touch up my lipstick.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:27:52 PM EST
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Urh, you gender reactionary you! Your lipstick is the colour of blood, women's blood, from thousands of years of misogynistic oppression!

Actually, I just don't much like makeup. I would probably wear it more if I thought I needed it though...but I don't, so there. I like clothes more, but even then I somehow manage to get by without owning a single dress.

I guess I'm not very good at this whole girl thing. Sorry.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:52:35 PM EST
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No need to apologize.  Or to be judgemental.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:02:40 PM EST
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Looking like that has become the norm for that group though but still, they do look scary and false and I don't see how they think they look fab. What a terrible waste of time and effort...
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 02:56:26 AM EST
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In Wales:
I'm off out tonight to run wild

We'll ring the emergency services, thanks for the advanced warning ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:07:03 PM EST
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Turns out I only needed them to roll me home after eating too much at the Wagamama that opened the other week. Mmm yum. One of my friends was ill and bailed out so I went out to eat with another friend.  Then I was too full and too tired to go jumping about to indie rock and went home in torrential rain, thunder and lightning. It was great.

Still a nice evening out even if not quite to plan.  

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 02:54:03 AM EST
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Have lots of fun!!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:12:40 PM EST
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Victorian erotica: the original cheeky girls - Telegraph

Ever wondered what our great grandparents got up to behind closed doors? A new collection of erotica leaves little doubt, says Guy Kennaway

'I bought my first erotic photograph in the mid-1980s,' Danny Moynihan tells me. 'I had come across some photos of Austrian origin of rather portly looking ladies in petticoats playing with sex toys. I thought they were rather amusing.'

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:14:03 PM EST
Binoculars are sex toys?  Or is she into voyeurism? She uses them to look out for the birds?
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:18:42 PM EST
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Pornography! you can see her ankles, (and she's got binoculars to lend you in case you cant)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:25:34 PM EST
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you mean lovebirds? Guess we still can learn something from our grandparents. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:32:32 PM EST
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I wish I had a bicycle...

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:27:07 PM EST
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LOL... yes the other pictures are nice too.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:33:09 PM EST
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I wish I was the bicycle...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 03:19:30 PM EST
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If it had been LEP posting this I'd have assumed an entirely different meaning to the supplied heading ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:39:49 PM EST
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I am not sure what you mean? :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:55:03 PM EST
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I knew you were to innocent to understand ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:14:55 PM EST
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Oh, well.... :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:38:22 PM EST
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I see that I've been away from the OT for too long. As soon as Hillary concedes I'll be back with the latest in fantasy.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 05:05:46 PM EST
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Those models look a hell of a lot healthier and saner than the eating-disordered, current ones, don´t they?  

For what I hear, pornography today has no suggestiveness left.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:02:55 PM EST
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and this is one story where we definitely won't demand sources ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:16:47 PM EST
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metavision:
Those models look a hell of a lot healthier and saner than the eating-disordered, current ones, don´t they?  

Absolutely, todays models not only look malnourished, but also have a bad posture and look as if they are in a progressed state of osteoporosis.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:39:48 PM EST
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Fashion models and erotic models are still two different things. As wiki says:

Female body shape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Feminists criticise the excessive emphasis on body shape as part of women's self-image in Western society, and contend that a voluptuous body shape is more typical of real women in the West than the ideal pushed by some parts of the Western media through depictions of extremely thin actresses and fashion models. However, in media made predominantly by and for heterosexual men, such as video games, comic books, sports entertainment, or pornography, a more buxom and curvaceous female ideal is portrayed, one that is more in line with the sexual desires of men than those seen in the fashion or beauty industries.


The busty ideal existing in the hetero male subculture causes its own, different pathologies (mainly: breast enlargement).
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 03:31:28 PM EST
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For what I hear, pornography today has no suggestiveness left.

Audiopornography?

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 03:22:51 PM EST
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(HTML-limiting to 400 doesn't work for me today, if anyone want to change the pics to 400, please do)

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:16:17 PM EST
"С Днём Победы!"

I think it has been explained before, but, what is rysskräck?

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:24:21 PM EST
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It approximately means "russian terror", or "fear of Russia".

Like I wrote a way back.

The slightest worry about Russia results in accusations of "paranoia" and "rysskräck".

Paradoxically, the reason why America is held to such high standards is that Swedes are incredibly pro-American (they just hate Bush), and the reason that all Russian transgressions are ignored is because everyone knows that Russians are, well, Russians.

The people who wrecked our empire, invaded Finland, occupied half of Europe for half a century, vaporized Groznyj and burnt our entire Baltic coast 200 years ago. That's just what they do and you can't expect better from them, right? Rysskräck does permeate society, but everytime you mention any risks you are hollered at. But the media has no problem wipping up rysskräck even when it's unwarranted (for example the Baltic gas pipeline which is a big foreign policy issue here) while at the same time condemning the wipping up of rysskräck.

A fascinating paradox, or several really.


These pictures are from the main Swedish morning daily, as usual formenting rysskräck while calling for a smaller military budget and generally being pacifistoid.

Why? Damn me if I knew why they behave the way they do.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:49:36 PM EST
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Russophobia.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:38:35 PM EST
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Would you like russerfrykt with that?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:05:32 PM EST
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porn...

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:28:56 PM EST
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My thoughts exactly...

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:32:20 PM EST
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One wouldn't call their weapons design.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 05:08:04 PM EST
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These pictures were send to me in a e-mail attachement, called safety at work. These pictures are just a few examples. :-)

 

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:22:28 PM EST
Reminds me of one of Jeff Foxworthy's old jokes: "If you've ever had a relative die after saying, 'Watch this,' you might be a redneck."

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:29:41 PM EST
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Bee Emergency: Unexplained Mass Die-Off Hits German Hives - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

Bees in the German state of Baden-Württemburg are dying by the hundreds of thousands. In some places more than half of hives have perished. Government officials say the causes are unclear -- but beekeepers are blaming new pesticides.

 Bees in southern Germany have been dying off in their hundreds of thousands. In Germany's bucolic Baden-Württemburg region, there is a curious silence this week. All up and down the Rhine river, farm fields usually buzzing with bees are quiet. Beginning late last week, helpless beekeepers could only watch as their hives were hit by an unprecedented die-off. Many say one of Germany's biggest chemical companies is to blame.

In some parts of the region, hundreds of bees per hive have been dying each day. "It's an absolute bee emergency," Manfred Hederer, president of the German Professional Beekeeper's Association, told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "Fifty to 60 percent of the bees have died on average, and some beekeepers have lost all their hives."

The crisis hit its peak last weekend. Beekeepers from Germany's Baden-Württemburg reported hives full of thousands of dead bees. The worst-hit region, according to state officials, was along the upper Rhine river between the towns of Rastatt and Lorrach. The Rhine valley is one of Germany's prime agricultural regions.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 01:54:06 PM EST
mother nature's getting tired of waiting for us to pick up on hints.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 06:16:41 AM EST
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My helicopter money has arrived!

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:15:53 PM EST
How much of a helicopter can you now afford?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:18:55 PM EST
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Remote control helicopters are (relatively) cheap, and apparently quite popular with geeks.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:20:56 PM EST
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Now if only Nancy would stop being such a linguine-spined liberal and give us our awesome gas-tax cut, we'd really be set.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:22:36 PM EST
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Maybe an hour helicopter tour in Hawaii.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 04:36:21 PM EST
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Did you do the direct deposit?

Mine's not supposed to be mailed until the 30th.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:21:18 PM EST
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Yeah, direct deposit, which is why I'm getting it now and not in 4-8 weeks.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:41:44 PM EST
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I didn't even know there was a direct deposit option.  Have to keep that in mind next year.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 02:50:24 PM EST
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Do they just use the same method as your regular refund/payment?  Because I don't remember being given an option for the helicopter monies.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 04:42:07 PM EST
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Yeah.  There's a page at the IRS website with the schedule.  It's based on the last two digits of your SSN.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 04:50:32 PM EST
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Have any used that website for making payments or know anything about its reliability? I was looking to pick up some Ukranian CDs (http://www.umka.com.ua/eng/), and they're using that service for making payments on purchased goods. Call me prejudiced, but I'm slightly (just a wee bit) hesitant about submitting credit card information to the Ukraine...

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 03:27:32 PM EST
- BBC: Europeans get drunk 'to have sex'

The UK has one of the worst reputations for binge drinking and underage sex but there are striking similarities between countries, a study found.
A third of 16 to 35-year-old men and 23% of women questioned said they drank to increase their chance of sex.

The study - of 1,341 young people in nine countries including the UK - is published in BMC Public Health.

Young people were also more at risk of unsafe sex while under the influence of alcohol or drugs, the study found.

The researchers said although it was well known that use of alcohol and drugs was linked to risky sexual behaviour, this study showed many young people were "strategically" binge drinking or abusing drugs to improve their sex lives.

- FP: Teen rappers drop some verse about The Economist

Maybe we don't have to worry that Americans are too dumb to read the Economist after all.

A teenage rap duo in Chicago has recorded a track, aptly called "The Economist," that extols the British publication's breadth and brevity and samples podcast commentary by correspondents Edward Lucas and Anthony Gottlieb.

"The style in which they write is simple and concise, how do they get their sentences so precise?" the rappers wonder. [UPDATE: Matt Yglesias quips, "The answer, of course, is 'heavy-handed editing' facilitated by lack of bylines."]

And the chorus is a gem, too: "He reads the Economist so he can get the gist, its solid competence gives him confidence that his intelligence is correct."

The rappers also weigh in on accusations that the Economist pushes a particular line: "Yes, they have a bias; it's pro-democratic. And pro-free trade; they are very emphatic."

- Metro: Grave diggers use skull as bong

A group of teenagers have dug up a secluded grave, removed the skull of a boy from the coffin and converted it into a marijuana bong.
Police found out about the grave theft whilst interviewing Kevin Wade Jones, 17, about the use of a stolen debit card and he told them all about it.

Police in Houston believe the grave is that of an 11-year-old boy who died in 1921.

- BBC: US and Russia in sandwich battle

From Cold War to cold meats... sailors from the US and Russian navies have tested their culinary skills in a sandwich-making competition.

The contest was held during a visit by the US destroyer Stethem to the eastern Russian port of Vladivostok to mark Victory Day. Officers also joined in.

A Russian cook took the prize for best-tasting sandwich while an American came top for most original presentation.

Sandwiches topped with cucumber sails were among the Russian offerings.

The ingredients included peppers, smoked ham, lettuce, cheese, mayonnaise, olives, cherry tomatoes and gherkins.

The US winner in the individual contest got a bottle of vodka, and presented his Russian rivals with USS Stethem caps and sweatshirts in return, the BBC's Dmitry Klimov reports.

- MT: Fugitive Moose On the Loose

A moose is on the loose in Moscow, Interfax reported Tuesday.

The moose escaped from Losiny Ostrov (or "Moose Island") national park in eastern Moscow on Monday afternoon and ran across a road before disappearing into streets near Sokolniki park.

An official at the Moscow Department of Natural Resource Management and Environmental Protection, Alexei Akhundov, said Tuesday that park rangers would wait for the moose to reach Sokolniki park and catch it there.

Moose often migrate from Losiny Ostrov toward Sokolniki, since the population is too large in the national park, Akhundov said

No O&E complete without gratuitous pic:




"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 03:34:31 PM EST
Do you run a pool where we have to guess which of these stories prove to be fake?

By the way, who's that a picture of?

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 03:50:25 PM EST
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  1.  Do you think one of them is fake?

  2.  I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not.  If you are, thanks for commenting anyway.  If you aren't, welcome to the wonderful world of Odds&Ends!!!  


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 03:56:33 PM EST
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  1. They are the kinds of stories which prove to be fake, were anybody to be interested enough to follow them up, or were the media outlets less willing to dress them up as news.

  2. I was kidding, I like Keanu Reeves too.


Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 04:20:56 PM EST
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Hm.  The best thing about Odds & Ends is that mostly the wacky stories about Russia are true.  And there is no shortage of them.  Also, I can post pictures of guys just because I think they are hot.  Guys like Vladimir Putin.  Also, it's best when I do these as diaries, when I can edit out the bloody typo's...  gggrrrrrr...


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 04:32:23 PM EST
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I knew you liked Putin, I was only joshing you. He's not my cup of tea, but then I don't expect everybody to find the same people attractive.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 05:31:00 PM EST
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It's Neo from the Matrix.
[G33k Aler7!]


"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 03:56:44 PM EST
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Sarkozy.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 04:09:31 PM EST
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Asia Times: The case for invading Myanmar

With United States warships and air force planes at the ready, and over 1 million of Myanmar's citizens left bedraggled, homeless and susceptible to water-borne diseases by Cyclone Nagris, the natural disaster presents an opportunity in crisis for the US.

A unilateral - and potentially United Nations-approved - US military intervention in the name of humanitarianism could easily turn the tide against the impoverished country's unpopular military leaders, and simultaneously rehabilitate the legacy of lame-duck US President George W Bush's controversial pre-emptive military policies.

by det on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 04:06:29 PM EST
Good idea, since they have some oil reserves...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 04:21:23 PM EST
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Surely, you're joking...

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 04:28:32 PM EST
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For those who are interested, there's a debate on agriculture in the Debates Box, and a TOC Agriculture (that may need completing) in the Occasional Series box.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 04:21:20 PM EST
Yves Smith has an interesting post today that showcases a relatively recent paper, "Is Managed Futures an Asset Class? The Search for the Beta of Commodity Futures" (Frankfurter and Accomazzo). The abstract is here.  Smith's post is interesting in itself. He does well to tie together econometrics of arbitrages and regulatory prudence, or lack thereof, at the CFTC, as food and petroleum price levels are escalating. Any relationship between production and price (spot or contracts) may be spurious or indeterminate due to natural environmental flux, some suggest. But the CFTC chairperson is a sitting member of the US President's Working Group on Financial Markets, and the PWG response to the growth of this sector of the financial industry is foreboding.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri May 9th, 2008 at 04:50:05 PM EST


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