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by afew Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 10:37:09 AM EST

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What's the best month of the year?

(I won't vote for this one...)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 10:47:10 AM EST
November.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 12:03:57 PM EST
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Heh.

(Don't sell the bearskin afore you kilt the bear, as the French trappeurs used to say ;))

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 12:12:22 PM EST
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FT.com / World - Eurozone economy contracts for the first time
The eurozone economy has contracted for the first time since the launch of the euro a decade ago, with France hit unexpectedly-badly by high oil prices and deteriorating global conditions.

Gross domestic product in the 15-country region fell by 0.2 per cent in the second quarter, reported Eurostat, the European Union's statistical office. That marked a sharp turnaround from the first three months of the year, when GDP expanded by 0.7 per cent.

After escaping the worst effects of the global fallout from the US sub-prime mortgage crisis, the main eurozone economies have instead suffered from the impact of surging energy costs on consumer spending, tumbling business confidence and slower growth elsewhere in the world. Even during the slugging growth period at the start of the decade, quarterly growth figures had remained positive.

Fears of a technical recession - two consecutive quarters of negative growth - are widespread across the eurozone. Jean-Claude Trichet, president of the European Central Bank, warned earlier this month that the second and third quarters would be "particularly weak".



"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 11:42:12 AM EST
Sounds like Roubini has it right so far.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 12:08:00 PM EST
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FT.com / World - UK forecast punishes sterling
Sterling plunged against the euro and the dollar on Wednesday as the Bank of England gave its bleakest economic assessment for more than a decade and financial markets priced in a series of interest rate cuts.

The latest downward lurch for the pound came as advanced economies worldwide received a wake-up call that none were immune to effects of the credit crisis stalking financial sectors on both sides of the Atlantic.

In the UK, Mervyn King, the Bank of England governor, said the British economy required a "painful" adjustment to higher energy and food prices, forecasting it would grind to a halt for a year before recovering, probably to a slower growth path. There was "bound to be a quarter or two" of economic contraction.

Inflation would peak at least at 5 per cent, he added, restricting the room for easier monetary policy, but markets immediately interpreted the strong likelihood of recession and a forecast of a rapid decline in inflation next year as a strong signal of lower interest rates to come.

Sterling fell more than 1 per cent against the dollar, the euro and on a trade-weighted basis. At times it lost more than three cents against the dollar and finished the day in London at $1.8712. The euro gained ground short of 80 pence at £0.7969.



"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 11:45:21 AM EST
I've managed to get out into the garden for the first time in ages to cut the grass and survey the damage. We've had lots of rain here - we got more than our normal August allowance in one day and it hasn't stopped raining since - and no sun so everything has grown and been eaten by slugs. Including the bloody sweetcorn. Nothing has ripened, even in the greenhouse and I've neglected it so it's grown wild. Meh.

On the other hand, the apples are doing well.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 12:30:01 PM EST
There are so many Russia-Georgia diaries, I don't know where to put this, but want to share it:

"U.S. Really Surprised by Georgia-Russia Conflict?"

http://www.chicagopublicradio.org/content.aspx?audioID=27675

This is a superb sort of "US-Russia relations in the last 8 years 101".  Probably you already know this stuff, but if you are sick of exlplaining why Russia's doing what it's doing to your friends and family and hordes of kossacks (ironic name, no?), here's a handly link for you!  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 01:38:05 PM EST
The Poles and the Americans have reached an agreement on the missile shield, contrary to my expectations. Oh well. Apparently the Poles softened their demands after Georgia and accepted the terms that had been on the table as of the beginning of July.
by MarekNYC on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 03:03:30 PM EST
Because the world sucks, I bring funny pictures.

I saw this and it made me laugh.

A police dog carries a cat when ordered to, in a display of skill, during a show at the Russian OMON riot special police training base outside Moscow, May 10, 2007.

Of course the media show their anti-Russian sentiment by leaving out the pictures showing what the cat was doing before than got him in trouble.

Really, what do you expect in a country that pays its teachers in vodka?

I love this photo so much I'm posting it again.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 03:09:03 PM EST
I don't think they are paying people in vodka anymore.  But they were, and it wasn't very funny actually.  No more funny than the economic crisis hitting America, anyway.

Was that Kasparov's cat? :)  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 03:14:44 PM EST
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Maybe we'll get paid in whiskey when the American economy collapses.

Ummmm....... Whiskey......  Bourbon......

I don't know about Kasparov. Where exactly do you suppose that they got the cat from?

It doesn't look very happy.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 03:24:23 PM EST
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Where does anyone get a cat from?  Maybe koshka was just strolling down the street.  Maybe it was the cherished pet of Eddie Limonov's infant child.  Maybe it's on loan from the Moscow Cats Theatre.  Maybe it is trained Cheka KGB FSB cat.  

So... I wonder what situations OMON find themselves in where the carrying about of a little cat is valued skill?  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 03:31:08 PM EST
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So... I wonder what situations OMON find themselves in where the carrying about of a little cat is valued skill?

Retrieving secret FSB agent Dennis Kucinich from situations in which he starts fights with the big dogs.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 04:00:54 PM EST
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When Kasparov isn't writing self-help books, he gets himself arrested for a living.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 03:32:40 PM EST
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Nah, Schrödinger's.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 03:24:45 PM EST
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My gums are sore after being manhandled by a dental hygienist this morning. She is from Ukraine, but with my mouth full of blood, metal picks, and hypersonic water jets, there was no chance for a discussion of Russian foreign policy.

I am starting to stress about my trip. Only 10 weeks away.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 03:50:45 PM EST
Are you the type to make packing lists? I generally am not, but every now and then a trip comes along that seems to nag at my mind. The ritual of "being prepared" through a packing list seems to help sometimes.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 04:23:44 PM EST
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I do have one, it is mostly set. I need to do the shots and get a visa for India in short order. Probably time for another packing dry run as well - backpack is 35L, which is pretty small.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 05:43:50 PM EST
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Gah, I've got to do the Indian visa thing at short notice now. My advice (after years of family experience) the sooner, the better...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 05:55:40 PM EST
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I'm out of here in 10 weeks...hope that is enough.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 05:58:38 PM EST
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Also, when are you going?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 06:16:10 PM EST
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<With hollow laughter> 10 weeks is plenty of time. The two weeks I have to get the visa, however... we'll see...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 02:49:11 AM EST
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the attitude of the indian consular staff in rome has been bizarrely hostile and recalcitrant these last couple of years. i know people who have gone to germany to get visas quicker.

feeling their oats...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 04:04:32 AM EST
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Sorry I haven't had time to read the posts at Eurotrib, so forgive me if this has been covered (I am feverishly trying to prepare my evening class...).

I had to interrupt my work to read this rant.  All I can say is wow:

The US is not a superpower.  It is a bankrupt farce run by imbeciles who were installed by stolen elections arranged by Karl Rove and Diebold.  It is a laughing stock, that ignorantly affronts and attempts to bully an enormous country equipped with tens of thousands of nuclear weapons.

A-Men!

(...and I'm not even religious!)

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 04:04:10 PM EST
And the punchline:

Paul Craig Roberts: "President Bush, Will You Please Shut Up?"

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 05:19:05 PM EST
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Yeah, but he jumped ship on the Reps long ago.  Glad he's still around hammering them, because I like his writing, even if he spent his postgrad years sniffing glue with the other supply-side filth at UVa.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 06:34:14 PM EST
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Meh, I'll skip the Republican party hack turned paleocon/racist/conspiracy theorist. They have no power, so they're not useful, and they don't say anything that people without their ugly baggage on the left do, so why bother with them.
by MarekNYC on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 06:49:54 PM EST
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Racist/conspiracy theorist?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 10:15:48 AM EST
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by MarekNYC on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 12:04:20 PM EST
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Ah, I take it back then.  Good finds.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 07:55:16 PM EST
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I wish bloggers sounded like the folks over at stratfor, rather than...well...what they sound like.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 05:56:56 PM EST
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By which I mean there is a lot of foaming at the mouth all over the place. The web was unreadable for months after 9-11 and after the start of the war - current events are approaching the same level.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 06:03:18 PM EST
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We've discovered that (strangely for a Mac) my system is corrupted.  It has something to do with the way Firefox (now 2.0.14) caches net data, and it spread  somehow through Tiger.  (May have been combined with some unknown actions i took trying to retrieve my system, changing settings and nuking stuff right and left.)

Rather than spend more time trying to figure out what's up and why it spread to Safari, eventually preventing access to my WLAN router, it's been decided for me that i need a grown-up Mac system.  Today we move to Leopard.

If you see me later today, it means the transition went as planned.  If not, it means the damn Rooskies are more nefarious than we thought, able to infect clean cupertino code.  

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 03:28:32 AM EST
The best laid plans of mice and men...

Was not able to install Leopard, so chose to complete reinstall (and update) Tiger 10.4.11.  Nice to have my laptop back.  A Mac reinstall is so easy compared to a Windows, with so much more data security, i'm really happy to be on this platform.  

And to be re-connected to ET from the comfort of my home office.  What is it about all you folks and your opinions and links and puns and flame skirmishes that make you so irresistible?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 08:44:46 AM EST
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Pheromones?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 09:11:31 AM EST
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Feral gnomes?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 09:15:57 AM EST
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Who formerly resided in quaint english gardens?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 10:56:51 AM EST
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