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Initiation of Cyprus Talks, Take II

by Upstate NY Thu Sep 11th, 2008 at 11:27:07 AM EST

This morning's Cyprus News front page article on the Cyprus talks contains a couple interesting quotes which delineates the nature of the discussion and problem in seeking a resolution.


First, a quote from other news sources from Turkey's FM Ali Babacan (a quote the Cyprus News only parses):

"Turkey's guarantorship functions on the island are a necessity for security and stability in the east Mediterranean," he said on Wednesday. "We are not opening this to discussion."

The question of Turkey's insistence on intervention (i.e. invasion rights) raises an issue about Cyprus's EU status. Can a European Union member have such minimal sovereignty over its own affairs? Is this acceptable to the EU? How does this limitation of sovereignty affect the EU's responsibilities to Cyprus? (ie. what if Turkey "intervened" in an EU state?)

The fact is, guarantor rights are an absolute no go for the Cyprus Republic.

The solution to this may come in a decade or so when France agrees that Turkey should enter the EU. Who knows what the world will look like then?

Second interesting quote:

In London, Britain's former Cyprus envoy Lord David Hannay said the Greek Cypriot side's dependence on UN resolutions in seeking a solution were erroneous, given Turkey's military strength.

Asked during a lecture about UN resolutions on Cyprus that had not been implemented, Hannay said many of the documents were "dead texts".

He added he was against holding referendums on a Cyprus solution.

Lord Hannay is responsible for authoring 95% of Annan Plan 5. What more needs to be said?

An aside:

Hey Upstate NY, I was born in Rotterdam (outside Schenectady) before I emigrated to CA.  What's with the Upstate NY (if I may ask)?

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Sep 11th, 2008 at 06:57:27 PM EST
I can't escape, that's the situation.

Since 1992, I've lived in Troy, Albany, Rochester, and now Buffalo.

But, this is the curse of academia, I guess. It's like being drafted by a sports league.

Then again, my choices were few. It was this, Oklahoma City, or Miami. The latter sounds good, but ... it's rather unlivable.

by Upstate NY on Thu Sep 11th, 2008 at 08:43:26 PM EST
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We're talking College Prof.?  What field?

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 06:41:14 AM EST
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English Lit.
by Upstate NY on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 09:08:28 AM EST
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I live in Sacramento; have my own tutoring/research biz.; got my Ph.D. from UC Davis (just west of here, on the way to San Fran.) in biochem ('79).

Let me know if/how I can help.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 01:31:15 PM EST
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Hey thanks.

Really, that comment about not being able to escape upstate NY was tongue-in-cheek. It's a pretty decent place. It's cold, which I don't like, but we never have to deal with drought, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc. Those people down in Texas, Florida, Phoenix, etc. seem to have a lot more to worry about these days.

by Upstate NY on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 02:36:32 PM EST
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That Hannay should call UN resolutions "dead texts" is nothing short of astounding.

It's practically an appeal to countries to resist application of resolutions they don't like: after a time, they just "die"..?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 02:15:40 AM EST
That is how they have been operating from the start. Against international law. There was one hiccup in the plan, however.

The UN resolutions were punishments to Turkey for not following the line exactly as it was laid out. Otherwise the USA and UK would have never gone along with it in the UN. If the first invasion was the "expected" reaction to the Greek coup (whose planning was well-known to insiders) then the second invasion was a surprise. And that's why the resolutions went through in the UN. If they had thought this through they should have, one, never used the UN to inflict this punishment, or two, supported the UN resolutions and shown that time does not absolve crimes.

by Upstate NY on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 09:15:07 AM EST
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this is very disheartening. I really thought there wasa chance of a way forward and now turkey throws a spanner in the works....why ? What do they gain internationally and, more importantly, domestically ?AFAIK the occupation of N Cypris isn't popular on the mainland anymore.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 08:17:23 AM EST
They gain a lot.

Either side does not want to be seen as the recalcitrant one, so they engage in peace talks which have very little chance of coming to fruition. This clears the whole issue off their foreign policy agendas.

It's only relation is to Turkey's application to the EU.

In 2009, when the provisions of the 2006 agreement kick in, Turkey's chapters will be entirely frozen (by agreement) unless there is a new deal on recognition of Cyprus.

That's the ONLY incentive currently going for Turkey, and it's not weighty enough to force a solution.

The final and strongest incentive would be joining the EU in 10 years or so. That's probably the only thing that will bring a resolution to Cyprus.

by Upstate NY on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 09:21:00 AM EST
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