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Obama Inauguration Open Thread

by Jerome a Paris Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 09:28:22 AM EST

We know the challenges ahead are daunting
We worry about what Obama will want or be able to do
But today is still a time for celebration
Bush is gone. Peacefully. Finally.


Display:
encapsulates the day:

The Mall overcrowded, wind power the main advertiser, sterling collapsing, Fiat buying up Chrysler... interesting times

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 09:58:54 AM EST
Holy bleep, Fiat buys Chrysler?!?

It wasn't that long ago that Fiat was so sick GM put up a billion dollars to buy out the Agnellis' put option.

Times do change...


The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt t gmail dotcom) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:10:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
OK, this is actually pretty non-stupid:

FT.com / Companies - Fiat to take 35% stake in Chrysler

The alliance between the two firms is to be "a key element of Chrysler's viability plan," the statement said. It will essentially see Chrysler being able to manufacture Fiat cars and components at its US manufacturing plants and gaining access to Fiat's distribution channels in markets outside the US.

Chrysler now has immediate access to popular economy-car designs - all spec'd out, all permits in place, the works. Developing their own design from scratch would be a 3+-year effort before the first vehicle hit the dealerships.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt t gmail dotcom) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:39:47 AM EST
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It all depends.

Daimler did a lot of damage to Chrysler, because they wanted the company to focus on large vehicles in the US market.

I'm hoping that Fiat sees a market for smaller vehicles in the US, but in the worst case scenario Fiat could rebadge Fiat could use their stake to sell rebadged Fiat imports in the US.

That is not going to elicit a favorable response American autoworkers, or the US government.

Retooling is going to take money, and Chrysler is heavily geared to larger vehicles like trucks and SUVs.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:04:23 PM EST
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Or is it the same across the board for all US car companies to focus on big/FUV´s/PU´s for decades?  They have shoved that false ´power and safety´ (= status) marketing model down people´s throats, until stupid consumers swallowed it world wide.  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 07:25:47 PM EST
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I gotta tell ya, that all sounds alright from a long-term perspective.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:22:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hey, Jerome, what's with the dKos Frontpage bid ? I thought you always said you didn't have enough knowledge of the ins and outs of DC to do the full FP bizniz. And you'd be distracted from here, which is basically your place.

Do I detect an agenda ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:49:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Just pushing the Overton window... ;)

Can someone grab a screenshot with the 2 recced diaries before one is gone; I can't do it from my work computer.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:56:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
How ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:03:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Done (of just the full rec column)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:07:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Also done, but only in the nick of time! (The TARP one has slipped).
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:09:30 AM EST
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Nicely phrased, JaP.  

I've always thought of amurka as a partial horror, albeit with great promise, since i beame conscious, and long before Bush..  the promise has never materialized.  Under Bush amurka became an atrocity.

Now, like rest of the world, i can only hope that amurka wakes, and keeps obama's feet to the fire.  That we use the bankruptcy of the  Anglo Disease  financial system (see Roubini today) to change everything.

And make it sustainable.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:02:43 AM EST
Here in Australia after the last election I somehow felt at ease when Kevin Rudd and Labor party won, even if I was aware that there will be no substantial change...
Because I couldn't stand Howard and his ilk (especially because you couldn't actually see him how deep he was inside Bush's ass).
I felt more like relieved that there will be less bad news coming from government, more then that I expected good news...
I feel similar about Obama. But I may be wrong...Bad news may still keep coming from Amerika...it may be just wrapped much better...
At least we'll be spared watching that idiot Bush...It wasn't even funny...It was scary. We are used to have poltroons, bandits and scam in governments, but having this total moron as a president of "the only remaining superpower" as a "leader of free world" was beyond horror...


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:21:06 AM EST
If I had migeru's dedication I'd spend hours digging up all the predictions bandied about over the past few years regarding fascism, suspension of the constitution, bombing of Iran (guilty on that one myself), suspension of elections, october surprises, etc, etc.

Civilization will always be on a knife edge. I don't think we're capable of building the material, spiritual, and intellectual robustness into our cultures required to transcend that. I think the best we can hope for is that we can make the boom / bust cycles less frequent and deep.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:56:51 AM EST
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Whatever about the rest, I'm reasonably sure that the bombing of Iran was stopped by resistance from within the executive branch after Bush and Co started running out of power.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:59:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]
maybe from China as well. I think the point there is that Bush, Cheney, and Rove were not omnipotent demons, which so many leftists were willing to believe.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:02:44 AM EST
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I certainly think it crossed their minds to bomb Iran, but I get the sense that it wasn't very seriously considered.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:12:35 AM EST
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The scary part is that not taking it seriously wouldn't have prevented them from doing it.

Why did Bush go through so many chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Was the replacement rate normal for the job, or were they resigning to avoid carrying out a direct order from the Chimp in Chief?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:34:27 PM EST
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I didn't realize he'd gone through very many.  That would probably suggest something.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:37:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Beyond the hype there was and is no serious bombing scenario that would not entail 100's of thousands of dead and a major war. Iran is not Iraq. Dumping the neo-cons, Rumsfeld, Feith and their power groups helped isolate Cheney. In the end Rice's conservative realpolitik prevailed. Big words, little sticks, and Russia knew it.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 03:35:24 PM EST
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So, how well do you know Barack? - White House, News - The Independent
Every detail of his early life, marriage and political career has been under the microscope for months. But how much of his biography can you recite? John Walsh is your quizmaster

1 In which far-flung American state was Barack born?

2 At what time of day was he born?

3 By what first name was he known until he went to university?

4 We know that his father, Barack Obama Sr, comes from Kenya. But where does his mother, Ann, come from, and what's her connection with Jimmy Webb?

5 By what codename is he known to the US Secret Service?

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:21:14 AM EST
(1) Hawaii.

(2) ???

(3) (Profit! -- oh, wait...) Barry.

(4) Kansas.  Who's Jimmy Webb?

(5) Renegade.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:24:13 AM EST
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Surely the answer to 2 was spelt out by Jimi Hendrix. Leastways that's how you'd imagine some people thinking of it :-))

Well, Im a voodoo chile
Lord Im a voodoo chile

Well, the night I was born
Lord I swear the moon turned a fire red
The night I was born
I swear the moon turned a fire red
Well my poor mother cried out lord, the gypsy was right!
And I seen her fell down right dead
(have mercy)

Well, mountain lions found me there waitin
And set me on a eagles back
Well, mountain lions found me there,
And set me on a eagles wing
(its the eagles wing, baby, what did I say)
He took me past to the outskirts of infinity,
And when he brought me back,
He gave me a venus witchs ring
Hey!
And he said fly on, fly on
Because Im a voodoo chile, baby, voodoo chile
Hey!



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:29:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
you have no idea how quickly I turned the page when I saw that. Yuk, a Cosmo questionaire (only with extra added dumb).

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:26:55 AM EST
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I do not believe in "free press" at all and free flow of information. It is actually incredible how we are influenced to make one picture about some very public persons that in the end can be totally fake.
Just for example we were lead to believe that some of celebrity men are great women lovers while they actually were gay all their lives...
The real information is in possession of "service" (in this case CIA...But they are using it as they are told to...So we will know about Obama what they want us to know...even lies.
And even about that farce that they are "opening archives" every 40 years to tell " the truth" about past events. I don't fucking believe it.

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:36:36 AM EST
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Holy shit.  Miles and miles and miles of nothing but people.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:27:45 AM EST
Run. run far away. I hear a pub calling

btw, the independent had a map of cool politco type places to hang out. Heard of Bullfeathers (410 First St SE) ? The Tabard (1739 N St SW)?  Or Manush (H St)?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:36:58 AM EST
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Never heard of them, but I've only been to one or two bars in the District.

We're a little slow this morning, so we actually decided against going to the pub early.  Gonna watch it at home with y'all and then go have a couple pints and dinner later during party time.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:45:36 AM EST
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I can understand how this is historical event for people of USA. Add to this that there is no one better in show business then Americans...so let the show go on...
But for the world ( that is kind of tired of bullying by USA) this is only interesting from the point of "is this going to really change anything???". If it's not then who the fuck cares if (as USA representative) tyrant is black or white...


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:52:51 AM EST
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Well, tomorrow we get to start finding out, don't we?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:55:30 AM EST
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Hi all.

We're having a communal viewing event here at work - so might not be around much.

Not sure what it's like for y'all across the pond, but there really are not words to describe this.

I've heard a lot of people accidentally call it "Election Day" instead of "Inauguration Day."  Same vibe.

Curious thing.  All the people who hated Obama during the campaign seem to have disappeared off the face of the earth...

Anyway, I'm going to go back to my "Where were you when...?" day.  Ciao.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:35:53 AM EST
I've just realised I'm inevitably going to watch the inauguration. Weird.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:39:59 AM EST
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I'm inevitably going to miss it like I missed the endless loop of the plane hitting the second tower for the first 48 hours they payed it on TV in the US.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:02:10 PM EST
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heh, i watched 2 hours of windup, then fell asleep and missed the main deal.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 02:35:40 PM EST
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Well today has all the markings of a good day, Firstly we're due a pile of good news from the other side of the ocean. And also a big step has been taken down the road to sorting out a disagreement with an ex employer with todays ECJ ruling

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:36:51 AM EST
And Now I hear from my lawyers, and it's all on hold because my lawyer is off sick!  

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:48:36 AM EST
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I had the fastest rejection ever todya. I had an interview over the telephone and she said they'd email the results later in the day. By the time i put the phone down, the "Fail" was in my inbox. {Sigh}. I can't even get a minimum wage job.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:40:01 AM EST
I had a job for 17 minutes once, till I couldn't stop laughing at the staff singing the company song.  

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:46:42 AM EST
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A company song ? No, I thought they were a joke but didn't actually happen. tho' I might enjoy belting out the flake advert in my bestest Joe cocker

"Only the crumbliest, flakiest chocolate
taste's like chocolate never tasted before....ooh oh oh ahah"

But a serious one, I think I'd be competitive for being fired on that one.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:57:26 AM EST
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I'd be worried if you weren't

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:03:18 AM EST
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The only company songs allowed in this country are the short tunes you sing before every schnaps shot at the company parties.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:40:06 AM EST
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Just checking in to check out:

In a few minutes I'm off to an inauguration party a friend of mine has organized in an American-themed sports bar here in Cologne.

Then tomorrow I'm off to the United States of Obamica for a few weeks - so I'll see you all again in mid-Feb!

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt t gmail dotcom) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:45:07 AM EST
Where ya gonna be at?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:46:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Joe Champ's Sports Bar at Rudolfsplatz and Denver, respectively.

Anywhere in the vicinity?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt t gmail dotcom) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:53:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Aw, no, unfortunately not.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:59:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
now if it was October, Denver's a real intersting place.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:13:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Not ?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt t gmail dotcom) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:03:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That was supposed to read:

Not September?

But something got lost in translation.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt t gmail dotcom) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:04:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
in that United States of Obamica place you're going to?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:57:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
This is the big annual family visit so there tend to be a lot of demands on my time.

But I'll try and drop in and post about how new and bright and shiny everything feels!

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt t gmail dotcom) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:03:36 AM EST
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I'm not staying up until 230am for the beef of the ceremony. The TV room here is outside and there are apocalypse size insects out there anyway.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:45:10 AM EST
Seen one inauguration, seen 'em all I guess ;-)).

'sides you need your sleep for the hard work of ching all them rays. and snorkelling it off and then going to the beach bar... gah.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:53:37 AM EST
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It's 2 am here but I wouldn't watch it even if it's 8 pm.
I have no stomach or nerves for this kind of circus. And I know he is a good orator (tank you God, cause we'll all have to listen to him a lot , for some time now).
I'll see the best parts tomorrow.
But I'll believe him when I see what he is practicing...


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:02:40 AM EST
Well, it's only a 2 hour coronation here but I'll probably skip it. I can understnad why they're all so pleased, heck it must have been embarrassing to be represented by a guy who couldn't even string a scripted sentence together. So having a guy who can walk and chew gum at the same time must come as a relief.

I can understand the cynicism to a greater extent, but their disillusion will be far more profound than ours, so I'm prepared to let it be today. Nor shall I snarl at their parade and cry humbug at wanton merry making. the hangover will come slowly and surely enough.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:12:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, ok, the BBC was on. the commentator was saying, "there's a sea of Stars and Stripes here", when the only flag visible, quite clearly visible about 20 yards away, was the Canadian one.

heh.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:24:35 AM EST
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Perhaps in that shot - but the BBC guy was quite right - there are loads of US flags in the crowd - it would be amazing in there weren't - in an American crowd.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:21:08 PM EST
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it would be amazing in there weren't - in an American crowd.

Well yes, Americans are overdoing everything and for some reason they are crazy about their flag so even when they are outside of USA they feel necessity to mark their selves and show everyone where they are coming from. Like they have reason to be proud...
As much as I hate to see flags around especially without specific reason , I have been told in my childhood to respect flag and I do ... Americans have their flag everywhere...even on their ass. Now if it is mockery, I can understand...


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 at 01:19:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm going upstairs to watch. See you later, inaugurator...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:17:55 AM EST

Backup System Helped Pilot Control Jet Article

As the captain of US Airways Flight 1549 prepared to ditch his disabled jet in New York's Hudson River, he had some help from some last-resort equipment that apparently kept the plane's electrical and hydraulic systems working even as both engines nearly shut down.

(...)

The generators that routinely provide electricity weren't available because they are driven by the aircraft's engines -- which weren't putting out sufficient power after apparently having ingested several geese. But the plane's auxiliary power unit -- made by Honeywell International Inc. -- was operating during the descent and gave the pilot full use of the jet's flight-control system, according to a spokesman for the National Transportation Safety Board and other people familiar with the details.

(...)

According to one person familiar with the investigation, Capt. Sullenberger was able to keep the nose of the plane up while flying at a reduced speed partly because his aircraft's so-called fly-by-wire system used computers to prevent the jetliner from stalling, or becoming uncontrollable and falling out of the air. Preliminary data indicate that these computer-controlled safeguards remained fully operational until touchdown, this person said.

(...)

One possible fallout from the US Airways incident, according to safety experts, is that airlines now have specific data to feed into simulators to help pilots understand the flight-control movements and glide characteristics that saved Flight 1549. "Airlines that fly Airbus planes are all likely to be looking at eventually incorporating such data into their training," said John Goglia, a former NTSB member.

But in addition to basic flying skills, the ditching also underscores another factor pilots should consider in surviving such emergencies: the need to quickly choose a course of action, even if it goes against normal procedures. Barely 30 seconds after his aircraft hit the birds and lost nearly all thrust from both engines, the captain disregarded the advice of air-traffic controllers and decided that ditching in the Hudson was the best option.

"The timeliness of that decision gave the crew time to set up properly" for touchdown more than two minutes later, according to Richard Healing, a former safety board member. "Good judgment allowed them to use their skills to make that perfect landing."

Smart technology, heavy training, consistent regulation... hmmm.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:25:19 AM EST
Yes, but those backup systems are relatively recent. I'm sure i've heard of tales of aircraft being in trouble because they lost hydraulics during a power out.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:30:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
What they're referring to is basically a little windmill that pops out of the fuselage, and basically trades some inertia for electricity.

A 'centrist' is someone who's neither on the left, nor on the left.
by nicta (nico@altiva․fr) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:42:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I understand that the APU on a passenger jet is typically a small jet engine that drives an electrical generator.  I don't know if it has its own self contained fuel supply, but I would suppose so.  When you see the little exhaust pipe on the very end of a 747 that is the APU.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:18:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
apparently Dick cheney will be in a wheelchair cos he tore muscles during the packing. Yes, those sarcophagi are heavy aren't they ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:27:31 AM EST
Especially the lead ones.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:32:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]
This is fun.  Crowd throws cold water on Tweety's little Village Lovefest by doing the "Hey hey hey, goodbye" chant when Bush comes out.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:35:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Anyone remember Dr.Strangelove?

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 07:39:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Dubya looks radiant. Think he's pleased to be leaving?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:33:52 AM EST
Cheney is Dr Strangelove! He's even got the right sneer!
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:35:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The mine shaft?

Cheney as Dr Strangelove.

An indelible image- thank you.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:34:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Damn, I knew I was late.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 07:40:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I reckon Junior's had enough by now.  He seems to have basically decided, "Fuck it," about a month ago.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:37:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Obama looks as if he's shitting himself walking down that corridor.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:41:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Maybe he figured out what a mess he'd got himself into.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:49:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Very likely.

There was a certain look of "I'm about to do what?".

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:51:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
We've had a running joke around the office with Obama impressions, every time crappy news on the economy or foreign affairs comes up, saying, "Man, this is some bullshit."

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:53:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
He's been looking like he wanted to be put out of his misery for at least half a year.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 21st, 2009 at 02:45:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
one of those rare times I miss not having TV (others are NBA and MLB playoffs). I'm sort of watching it online, but it would be much more comfortable on my couch.

Oh yeah, I'm back in the City as of Sunday night. A month in Europe was nice though a bit exhausting. Good skiing (though apparently every bit of France got loaded with snow except  Savoie) Met someone and Melanchthon, missed Mig and the others in London unfortunately. Nice to be back home.

NB not sure why the Londoners insisted on naming their financial district after New York. Weird.

by MarekNYC on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:47:57 AM EST
The pastor is kinda scary/sleasy.

Well. I guess it'a a cultural thing.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:53:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That was a terrible invocation.  And the way he said "Sasha" in some kind of insane Mexican vampire voice was just creepy.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:54:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
What was he invoking? Does it have horns and rather too many tails?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:58:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
As with Marek, not really my culture, so hell if I know what he was doing.  But he sounded like some kind of bizarre foreign child molester when he said Sasha Obama's name.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:01:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Pastor no.2 is even weirder. Where do they find these people?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:33:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
He's just old. And religious, of course.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:36:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"That the red man can get ahead, man"?  Come on, that was good, even if he is a believer in the Magic Space Daddy.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:40:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
He seems pretty normal to me, but unlike white evangelicals, black religiosity is part of the normal background hum around here something I here snippets of every Sunday as I walk around from the churches that dot pretty much every block in my neighbourhood.
by MarekNYC on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:41:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No need it's already sat in a Wheelchair behind him.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:03:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
not my culture. Then again white protestants are virtually non-existent around here, and the Upper East Side isn't really a Rick Warren kind of place.
by MarekNYC on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:57:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You were in London ?? why didn't you say ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:58:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I did say, back in mid-December right before I left for Europe. Mig, Ceebs, TBG, and metatone replied but in the end I wasn't able to see any of them unfortunately.
by MarekNYC on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:00:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Wednesday just got more and more complicated a day. Sorry I was just too tied up.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:02:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
arethra has me choking up a bit, not about My Country, but that the soul idol of my teenage years is up there.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:55:30 AM EST
Not a big soul/gospel fan, but I do like Aretha.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:57:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
She sang the wrong words to "God save the Queen" tho'. You'd've thought someone would have told her.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:59:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Don't be silly.  Aretha is the Queen.  That'd be quite obnoxious to sing for herself.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:03:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
why, your version DRM protected?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:03:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Did he actually blow the oath?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:07:37 PM EST
Was it him or the judge?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:08:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Both.  Roberts screwed up the first line.  Obama screwed up the second.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:10:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I found it most apropos that Obama had to at least attempt to correct the Chief Justice to properly administer the oath.  May it be an omen.  If ever a Chief Justice was in need of correction....

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:24:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Attempt to get him to read the oath out incorrectly, then claim he wasnt legally president?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:27:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I would hope Roberts understands that, per the Constitution, Obama became president at noon, oath or not.  The oath is a formality.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:36:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Is there a transcript or youtube of this.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 03:46:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Not a transcript but:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFCzWaeJ4yM

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:20:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
((*youtube GFCzWaeJ4yM )) without the asterisk.




Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:27:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
For a transcript of the exchange, plus background:
http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/2009/01/20/roberts-obama-jumble-presidential-oath-of-office/

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:27:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Per the Architect of the Capitol:

Each president recites the following oath, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Would that the oath for the Vice President were so concise and to the point.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:41:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The nightmare is over

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:07:58 PM EST
Well, we survived.  Bush is officially gone.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:08:00 PM EST
I still think we should take a wooden stake to Cheney in his coffin, just in case he rises again.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:12:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Mean, Silver stake?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:14:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
well just to be sure.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:16:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I see that Obama has walked out to make sure Bush gets on that helicopter.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:54:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Where's the guy with the button briefcase?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:55:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
and now we learn he (they) were there after all.  The Button Briefcase defines the presnitcy, and survives as the most important symbol... and there it is even on the inaugeral stage.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:15:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
probably having a lie down, but at least he managed to fight Cheney off yesterday in his last desperate attempt to start a war. (Who really believes he injured himself packing)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:25:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
He's gotta be the only person alive who looks even more menacing in a wheelchair.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:27:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
damn you said alive



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:33:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I was thinking the same thing.  The wheelchair somehow makes him look even more like the personification of evil.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:34:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
He must be pretty upset he only discovered the perfect image just too late to really make it work for him.

Mind you, shooting lawyers from a wheelchair would be difficult. Let's be honest, there aren't too many people so scary that you apologise to them when they shoot you.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:55:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
on second thoughts, if he pressed the button just before he walked out, how long before the missile hits and starts something? </paranoia>

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:15:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Is it just me, or did they use non-smokeless gunpowder for the ceremonial guns, for the dramatic effect? ;)

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:08:48 PM EST
Here comes the Roosevelt paraphrase...

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:13:52 PM EST
It's a pity that in talking about the sacrifices made by earlier generations he referred to Khe Sanh - Dr. King wouldn't have approved.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:27:06 PM EST
I luv's me some poetry.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:32:04 PM EST
I guess I don't really get poetry.  Didn't think much of it.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:33:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Her chance to remind everyone of what's important, the frame in which all this is happening, and the power of the strongest force in the world, love.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:43:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The internet is clogged.

All the media outlets are too chopped-up to be useful.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:33:28 PM EST
The BBC live feed still works.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:34:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Got it.  Thanks

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:01:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The tubes are jammed, someone call a plumber!
by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:16:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
MSNBC is working just fine.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:20:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
National anthems are funny.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:39:10 PM EST
Symbols are immportant not for what they are, but for what they... symbolise.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:42:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Lowry rocks!  and he reminded everyone about the first Native principle, "respect for your creation."

"Where the Red Man can get ahead, man."

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:39:12 PM EST
Lowery won me over with that one.  I couldn't understand most of what he was saying until that bit.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:42:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
 Yes  ( despite someone's comment above) and he was very good about exploitation of the poor by the rich.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:42:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It was a very 20th century speech. It could have been given in 1933, or 1941, or 1961, or 1981. Patriotism, America is still THE global leader, our best days are ahead, we don't have to accept decline, America can do anything, join together and we can do it, we'll limit government where necessary.

It was a well-delivered speech, but it didn't contain a whole lot that was new. I did like the inclusion of "non-believers" when he listed the religious affiliations of Americans, even though that's a problematic term.

On another note, during that speech, this country was still. Nothing outside moved. Not a single car drove by. The Mexican gardeners across the street were gathered around their truck listening to the speech.

I can't say I remember many inaugurations - only as far back as 1985 - but I don't recall this level of interest and attention. (Though to be honest, I was on the streets in San Francisco protesting Bush on Jan. 20, 2001, so that colored my perceptions.)

And the world will live as one

by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:45:23 PM EST
One takeaway i had, as you, was the continued focus on amurka as world leader, number one.  Sure he has to play to that crowd, but it still struck me as off-color.  I also was put off by continued references to the sacrifices of the pioneers taking the west, with no reference to the fact that the West was populated by a very fine people subject to eradication.

I also think it's cool that a busload of staffers took off after the oath to the White house, to begin governance.

As an amurkan in Europe, at the end of the day i'm still really, really glad to be here and not there (though i miss my friends, family and colleagues ohne Ende.)

the hope begins, and let's have him take some strong steps to build windpower as a priority.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:53:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I also was put off by continued references to the sacrifices of the pioneers taking the west, with no reference to the fact that the West was populated by a very fine people subject to eradication.

I thought you'd have something to say about that bit ...

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:06:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Indeed; there were too may lines like that. Some good ideas in swell but unrefined wrapping, for an audience who wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

I had joked before the speech that I feared he would get up and do a Cleavon Little lines from Blazing Saddles. But what I wanted was an MLK or Lincoln speech that would talk to the ages.

Compared to the speech of Dr. King's that I heard last night, what we got was a nice bit of eloquence that didn't get the editing required. Skilled BHO is as an orator, but it takes more years than he has to match the experience and insight into history which I guess I was hoping for.

The phrase after your
... toiled in sweatshops and settled the West;..,
is
...endured the lash of the whip and plowed the hard earth..
quickly stitched with a line that is not really sequitor to the worker theme
For us, they fought and died in... Concord and Gettysburg; Normandy and Khe Sahn...
Immediately after that is the line I bet we were supposed to be thrilled by;
... these men and women struggled and sacrificed and worked till their hands were raw so that we might live a better life.

My bleeding little toe...Generations of whipped people, hundreds of years of slavery in America - from Columbus's time really - what is there to indicate that these people (generally) were actually dreaming of a better life for their kids?

Was he ignoring history that he knows, but needs a different forum to bring it out? Was the Khe Sahn line put in to mollify the right? or does he really believe that they fought for us and not as part of a draft-refined meat-grinder?...and that it is in the same league as the other 3 in US American history?

The real stuff happens tomorrow, I suppose. It was all for show today.


Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 05:52:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Was the Khe Sahn line put in to mollify the right?

It could well have been. His job today was to persuade as many Usians as he could to at least give him the benefit of the doubt.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 21st, 2009 at 03:28:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yesterday. I slept badly. <sigh>
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 21st, 2009 at 03:29:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
AS if to outline the work that remains to be done, we received two telephone calls, both ignored, during the inaugural address--from a business.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:30:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I've been busy all day and didn't watch the whole thing - just enough to see that it was still Obama being Mr, sorry, President Everything to Everyone.

America will fight to protect it's way of life and not apologise - but the times have changed and the American way of life must adapt with them. Etc.

So - yeah - whatever. Let's see what happens when he goes into decideration mode.

On the positive side - it could have been McCain and Palin. {extended clammy visceral shudder}

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:45:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
On the positive side - it could have been McCain and Palin. {extended clammy visceral shudder}

Wash your mouth out with soap young man.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:50:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, now, TBG is just being touchy because Obama brought up that little war where the American colonies defeated the Brits.  ;)

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:53:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Hey if that was the cost of removing a selection of religious lunatics, we'll live with it.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:54:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Speaking of, I thought all the God stuff was a bit tiresome.  But I like that Obama acknowledged non-believers along with the Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Jews.  Also, was that last benediction weird or what?  

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 02:00:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I thought Lowery's benediction was weird, but in a fun way.  Warren's invocation was atrocious.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 02:12:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Largely agree, except my residual Catholicism appreciated the Our Father.  I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't think it has any place in a political ceremony.  But there is something in the cadence of it I find calming.  

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 02:24:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I did think that the benediction was very 60s priest.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 02:55:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Strange timing.  One of the books I received today is an original publication of the votes and proceedings of the first Continental Congress, 1774.  Includes a rough draft of the Bill of Rights.  Neat...

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 02:20:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Welcome back, how was the journey ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:53:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Good - will write more when I'm done playing catch-up.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 02:00:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I had the same reaction as you. To me, he missed the moment-it will never appear again.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 03:58:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No, I don't think he did. I think he's a smarter politician than you, TBG or I.

The question is what he really wants to do with it and what he can practically do within the constraints of the system he finds himself - and the extent to which he can alter that system.

He has to bring the US population with him.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:00:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
By all accounts he's running a very professional operation so far. I expect that whatever he does he'll be decisive and effective. I agree the question is what he wants to do and how he can play within the system. I don't expect to like everything that he will want to do.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:09:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well no. But you wouldn't like everything Jerome or I wanted to do.

Hell, you wouldn't like everything you wanted to do!

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:11:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Precisely.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:12:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oooo, goody, we get to watch Bush fly out of town in the helicopter.

Perfect.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:50:17 PM EST
Don't hit your head on the way into the chopper, war criminal.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:54:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Shoes at the ready, everyone.

Buh-bye, asshole.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:55:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
and keith nails it:  we have liftoff (and then i forget the second klinger.)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:57:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The crowd: "Nananana, nananana, hey hey hey, goodbye."  Love it.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 12:59:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
But what did Keith say right after We Have Liftoff that busted me up, and then my old guy brain promptly forgot it.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:02:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I dunno.  I didn't hear it.  Knowing Keith, it was probably pretty good.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:03:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Obamagirl in a hula hoop!

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:05:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The fall of Hanoi or something.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:10:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Saigon.  Exactly.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:11:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oops, I need some coffee...

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:33:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
OMG Bush is GONE!!!

I.  Can't.  Believe. It.

He got in his helicopter and flew away.  Just like that.  ... it's over.


Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:00:21 PM EST
Make this a diary (with the OMG Bush is GONE!!! as title and the last sentence below the fold) and I'll front-page it :-P

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:08:35 PM EST
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Aw, what the hell.  OK.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:11:11 PM EST
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There's something important i want to say about the inaugeration, based upon personal experience and political examination and reality:

Fuck Feinstein

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:04:10 PM EST
Amen to that. There have been persistent rumors she may run for governor of California in 2010. We are hopeful that it won't happen. If she chooses to run for reelection to the Senate in 2012 she will face a primary challenge. If she retires, we will be very pleased.

And the world will live as one
by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:07:10 PM EST
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Not being terribly versed in the details of US politics, what's up with Feinstein?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:08:37 PM EST
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She's a torture-loving fascist pig.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:09:50 PM EST
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Not to mention she is one of the most "bought" politicians, and will not listen to reason.  And she is directly responsible for Cali's energy crisis, with her lack of "oversight" of PG&E and Enron.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:13:02 PM EST
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she's a total Bush-enabling torture lover. One circle of hell above Lieberman

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:21:02 PM EST
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Not even, because at least we all know what we've got in Joe Lieberman, whereas many people, especially outside of Cali, don't appreciate how bad DiFi is.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:23:40 PM EST
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Feinstein is deeply linked to the Wall Street and defense industry network, through her husband and defense contractor Richard Blum. Her antipathy of the left runs even more deeply, dating back to her days as a San Francisco politician. She defines herself by her aggressive "centrism" and by keeping the progressives out of the picture. Suspicious of democracy and a defender of the elite.

And the world will live as one
by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:57:10 PM EST
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Not to mention an arrogant fuck.

I will never forget laying out the foundation of the Cali energy crises to her A. B. C. and she wouldn't even listen.  3 months later when it went A. B. C. she didn't have the courtesy to call and ask what to do.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 02:08:04 PM EST
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Her knee-jerk reaction to 9/11 was to propose a 6-month moratorium on student visas. She must have gotten enough angry calls from University of California administrators because that proposal quietly died.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 03:40:18 PM EST
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Yes, I too intoned this, repeatedly, as she sullied the dais.
by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:14:15 PM EST
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I like another take of Keith's:  "We'll give you a few minutes to try this at home...  say it out loud... Barack Obama, 44th president of the united states."

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:10:32 PM EST
What Digby saidTM

I actually sang it, loudly...

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:12:25 PM EST
You know, Nina Simone is one who would be particularly proud on this day, as would "Strange Fruit" Billie Holliday.  Thanks for the reminder.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:29:19 PM EST
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The man who invented the doner kebab has died - Telegraph

Mahmut Aygun, was suffering from cancer and died in Berlin at the age of 87.

Known as the "kebab king" he was born in Turkey and moved to Germany at the age of 16 to open a snack stall. He invented the doner kebab nearly 40 years ago.

Kebab meat, consisiting of roast lamb and spices, had traditionally been served with rice but in a moment of inspiration Mr Aygun saw that the future lay in putting the meat inside a pitta bread.

That allowed customers who had been drinking to wander off into the night with their food and eat it as they stumbled home.

Mr Aygun once said: "I thought how much easier it would be if they could take their food with them."

The first of the new snacks was served on March 2, 1971, at Hasir, his restaurant in Berlin.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:14:59 PM EST
And there you have it, the synchronistic juxtaposition of historical events.  ;-))

Why, texas legend James mcMurtry and band ate just that after the gig and drinking ceremony were finished.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:19:46 PM EST
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She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:26:29 PM EST
(OK, lets try that again.)



She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:30:48 PM EST
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Denoument

Paraphrasing Jim Lehrer: Obama must be relieved by how pleasant the transition went.

The calvacade of officers emerging from the Capitol seemed to my child only an opportunity to critique wardrobe. I pity Michelle: she lives now in DC and desperately needs to appoint a stylist located some place far, far away. Otherwise, the allusions to Camelot will surely drift into further obscurity.

I had not expected Feinstein to open the ceremony.

The talent hired for Master of Ceremonies VO was unfortunate. Several Miss America Pageants must be on his c.v.

The Queen of Soul was subdued.

Barry's address: The content evidently suffered from too many writers and revisions: no salient feature of a corporate mission surfaced from the bog. "Analysts" perhaps will dwell on the last three minutes devoted to the imagery of "winter" his liturgical stylings rather than the proposition "our nation is at war." With "statistics" or "faith"? Surely not terrorists of the broader ME. Apt citations from any of Lincoln's pragmatic discursions on industrial conflict among the states are too abstruse to condense; connection to any FDR inaugural, simply will be untenable despite Barry's supplication to "crisis." Commentators will overwrite Barry's ennui today as they did in August.

I recall Maya Angelou reciting "Morning in America" and sigh, again, heavily.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:35:19 PM EST
Rachel Maddow:  "No more hawks and doves, now we need owls, who think about what to do."  or something like that.  Wow.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 02:24:19 PM EST
i don't know it this is a significant harbinger of change or not, what with Obama speaking about our dark winter and all, but just now i caught a glimpse of my first flock of geese (ducks) flying south across my glass ceiling.  Wow.

Anyone seen J around these parts?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 02:27:45 PM EST
They are reporting that Ted Kennedy collapsed at the luncheon.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 02:53:01 PM EST
Apparently something happened to Byrd, too.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 02:57:27 PM EST
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No word yet on their condition.

This is very bad news.  If they can't be on the Senate floor to vote it is going to be that much harder for President Obama to get his agenda passed.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 03:07:46 PM EST
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I guess Kennedy had another seizure.  Orin Hatch said Kennedy was conscious before they took him away, so I think he is alright now.  

No word on Byrd.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 03:13:49 PM EST
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CNN reporting Byrd is fine.

I guess the room was really hot.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 03:14:50 PM EST
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Yeah, both Hatch and John Lewis said Kennedy's condition improved a great deal by the time he got to the ambulance.  And, like you said, it sounds like Byrd is alright.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 03:19:22 PM EST
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Per Howard Fineman: Byrd was having trouble eating and was taken out earlier.  Kennedy was taken out after a seizure.

Other news: The Guantanamo Bay military court has been suspended.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 03:05:15 PM EST
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He must have done that immediately after taking the oath.

Talk about hitting the ground running!

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 03:10:47 PM EST
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Well thats positive, sounds like he's a man with a plan.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:13:56 PM EST
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Can we have a diary about Guantanamo when some information starts coming out?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:24:03 PM EST
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There is this so far...

AP via Google: Defense: Prosecutors seek to pause Gitmo trials

Guantanamo prosecutors are seeking to put the war crimes trials on hold while the future of the widely criticized tribunals remains in doubt, a military defense lawyer said Tuesday.

Under the proposal, the prosecutors would ask judges to stay pending cases while President Barack Obama's administration reviews the military commissions system and the legal alternatives for prosecuting suspected terrorists, said Navy Lt. Cmdr. Bill Kuebler, a military defense lawyer who represents a Canadian being tried before the tribunals.

Kuebler said the chief prosecutor for the military commissions discussed the plan earlier Tuesday with the chief defense counsel, but that the defense opposes the idea and thinks that, in any case, the judges would reject it.



Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:34:38 PM EST
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I'm hunting things and as soon as I ome across more, I'll knock something together.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:52:45 PM EST
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BBC reporting Kennedy has been taken to a hospital on a stretcher.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 03:12:38 PM EST
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Kos quoting Nate Silver:
For as much as some parts of the world have developed a habit of looking down on America, it's highly unlikely that any nation in Europe or most of the rest of the world would have elected someone like Barack Hussein Obama as their leader.

It's amazing how Americans are misinformed, one way or the other. On one hand they believe we are being overrun by mass-breeding muslim fundamentalists, and on the other hand as soon as they stop lynching negroes they act like they have been the shiniest beacon of progressivism all along.

A 'centrist' is someone who's neither on the left, nor on the left.

by nicta (nico&#65312;altiva&#8228;fr) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 03:38:37 PM EST
Döners all around, amurkans.  Quality regulated, no less (hopefully not too late.)  (Though i miss me a good burrito.)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 03:54:05 PM EST
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I get the impression than you'll live in California again before your time is up.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:42:21 PM EST
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Well i sure do miss the Cali sunshine, and Frisco fog.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin
by Crazy Horse on Wed Jan 21st, 2009 at 05:07:00 AM EST
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Everyone's focused upon the medical conditions of these two aged Byrds, politically, perhaps rightly so.  and one could say i'm paying attention as well.

But i want to make a celebratory official statement.  What with the end of the Whitey House in history, despite my distrust of bought politics, there is something very significant about this day.  So after dinner (yes it's later here in Yurp) i decided (was coerced) to drink a glass of single malt.

Chosen to begin was a single cask Port Ellen (Islay, the same island as the holy Caol Ila) from 1983, finished in sherry.  It was delicious enough that i was then persuaded to open a bottle of Tomatin single cask, also sherry finished, from 1976, before Obama was born or close.  ( I can't believe it remained unopened for so long here, but this is an Occasion.)

it was so delicious that i was tempted to finish the bottle.  Luckily, Obama's call to responsibility took hold, and we're now drinking the ET holy ganz normal Caol Ila 18.

We now get to celebrate the first Secretary of Energy, officially confirmed, who actually has a clue about sustainable energy.

Here's to Dr. Chu, otherwise known as My Man!  Dr. Chu, you are welcome to spend an evening with The Illuminated Brothers und Schwestern von Caol Ila for a "spirited" discussion.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anas Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 03:50:41 PM EST
Stopper that Port Ellen. Remember I'm coming over for a meeting of the Brethren ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:12:26 PM EST
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Now that it is over, can I be critical of the inauguration?

I honestly don't know what is worse, Michelle's sparkly puke-gold brocade outfit paired with olive green leather gloves & shoes, or Jilly's short skirt-bare legs-sexy boots ensemble.  

What is it that makes First Ladies dress like my grandmother circa 1960?  And why didn't anyone suggest a nice warm pair of black tights for Jilly?

I suppose if you average the age of their outfits, you would get their real age...

:D

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:27:19 PM EST
Yhe Inauguration crowd viewed from Space (big graphics file)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:01:43 PM EST
Food poisoning hasn't been much of an issue so far on this trip. I had a bad kebab in Auckland which ended poorly as it were, and now today, of all things, I had a can of coke that has landed me in bed temporarily while my stomach sorts it out.

Anyway, looks like lunch at 3:30pm and the beach after that.

Oh yeah - happy new American president day to all.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:46:35 PM EST
I was told once it was a good idea to wash cans or pour them in a glass because who knows what kind of vermin might have been on the can while it was in storage.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 21st, 2009 at 02:47:25 AM EST
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the can stories are false.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 21st, 2009 at 06:12:36 AM EST
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Nah, I've seen where cans are stored sometimes. Rat urine is a definite option.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 21st, 2009 at 06:20:52 AM EST
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That may well have been it. No reason the surface of a can can't be as bad as any other non-organic surface.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jan 21st, 2009 at 06:41:58 AM EST
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I do know of one major UK supermarket chain who used to make its warehouse staff at its distribution centre go off the clock when using the toilets, with the result that staff would go against the back of the stacks of vegetable pallets.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 21st, 2009 at 07:51:44 AM EST
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See the relevant Snopes story.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 21st, 2009 at 08:25:58 AM EST
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