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Blair Scorecard

by JakeS Fri Oct 30th, 2009 at 03:29:18 AM EST

At afew's suggestion, here's a little scorecard to keep track of which governments seem to be tilting which way in the Blair question. I have tried linking to relevant items for each country, but in some cases I've gone with my gut.

Please do not hesitate to make suggestions and provide additional references.

Left: Distribution of Council votes (updated on the 15th of October).
Right: Distribution of committed votes (updated on the 15th of October).

- Jake


Country/GroupCouncil VotesPopulation %Source/Rationale
Against6614.8
Austria101.7orf.at
Belgium122.1EuroTribune.eu
Luxembourg40.1EuroTrib.com
Netherlands133.3EuroTribune.EU
Poland277.6DoDo and EurActiv.com (DoDo and nanne)
Unlikely9730.9
Finland71.1(run their own candidate)
Germany2916.5Not a proponent of presidentialism a la Blair
Hungary122.0(santiago's analysis)
Spain279.4Mig's analysis [citation needed]
Sweden101.9EuropeanVoice.com (hat tip DoDo and afew)

Probable 21
Cyprus 4 (British dependency)
Malta 3 (British dependency)
Denmark 7 (Backed the Big Bird (hat tip: afew), Fogh is bosom buddy with Blair and the flunky we have now doesn't have an independent thought in his head)
Ireland 7 (hat tip: nanne)

Supporting 58
Italy 29 (hat tip: afew)
United Kingdom 29 (hat tip: Migeru, via afew)

Unknown 103
Bulgaria 10
Czech Republic 12
Estonia 4
France 29
Latvia 4
Lithuania 7
Portugal 12
Romania 14
Slovenia 4
Slovakia 7

Qualified majority rules (hat tip: Migeru:

Acts shall be adopted if there are at least 255 votes in favour representing a majority of the members where, under the Treaties, they must be adopted on a proposal from the Commission. In other cases decisions shall be adopted if there are at least 255 votes in favour representing at least two thirds of the members. A member of the European Council or the Council may request that, where an act is adopted by the European Council or the Council by a qualified majority, a check is made to ensure that the Member States comprising the qualified majority represent at least 62 % of the total population of the Union. If that proves not to be the case, the act shall not be adopted.

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Spain 27 (Mig's analysis [citation needed]

The diary News From The Front... Or The Back quotes Brussels insider blogger Quatremer saying

The Iraq war, a bloody stain on his CV, will in no way be an obstacle: "only public opinion is still sensitive to this question, not his electors who are the 27 heads of state and government", the diplomat goes on. "The only one who could stand in the way is Jose-Luis Zapatero", the Spanish PM. But it's hard to see how he could lead a crusade against a socialist former premier when he has just supported the re-election as head of the Commission of a conservative former PM who was just as favourable to the Iraq war, Jose Manuel Durao Barroso...
Well, as I said on a different occasion
Zapatero definitely doesn't want a diva like Blair to overshadow the Spanish EU presidency in the first quarter of 2010. Let's not forget that the "Council President" does not replace the rotating presidency, it just gives the council a visible head and some "continuity". Currently, most of the functions of the new "Council President" are carried out by the Secretary General of the Council who has been Javier Solana for many years, consurrently with him holding the position of High Commissioner for the Common Foreign and Security Policy.
Still [citation needed], though. I thought I could find one but not so far.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:59:54 AM EST
it's hard to see how he could lead a crusade against a socialist former premier when he has just supported the re-election as head of the Commission of a conservative former PM who was just as favourable to the Iraq war, Jose Manuel Durao Barroso

I must say I found this fairly empty spin when I read it in Quatremer's blog. If Zapatero is not favourable to Blair, he won't be openly basing it on Iraq, that's all. He could simply take the "small presidency" side, for instance. (Insofar as these elements enter into consideration among the heads of government in the European Council...)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 12:26:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
or just support Felipe Gonzalez for the job.... why Bliar?

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 12:32:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Wasn't there some other socialist leader recently who had to say "as a government official I can't give a definite answer, but as a socialist it's not sarkozy's business to tell the PES who their candidate should be, and Blair is not a proper socialist values-wise anyway"?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 01:04:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Luxembourg's foreign minister Asselborn.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 01:11:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The same applies to the trolling that ZP couldn't oppose Blair because he's a fellow Socialist.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 04:35:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Shouldn't the same logic imply that Berlusconi must be opposed to Blair because Blair is a communist?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 02:20:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
European Tribune - Blair Scorecard
United Kingdom 29 (can't find the story)
EUobserver: Brown backs Blair for EU president job (06.04.2009)
Tony Blair has renewed his campaign to become the first president of Europe and has received backing from UK leader Gordon Brown.
For an ET link, see Return Of Teh Blair by afew on April 7th, 2009

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 09:04:35 AM EST
European Tribune - Blair Scorecard
Belgium 12

...

Hungary 12

Here's some evidence:

Migeru:

When I wrote the following 18 months ago
So, in my mind it is essential that the President of the Council be an unassuming personality, not chosen for their great oratory, media savvy and their ability and willingness to strut the globe representing the EU. That's what the HRCFSP is about, and that will be a separate job. The Council President has to be someone who has the ability to facilitate coalition building within the council and broker agreements. Blair is not the person for this, he has shown that in spades through ten years of experience on the Council as PM, and for six months while he held the rotating presidency. Taking a cue from redstar's latest diary, I'd say that the Council President should be a former Foreign Minister of a mid-sized country. Also note that the Council will be writing the job description this year, before filling the position, and that the Devil is in the details of how the council will define the job of its President.
I couldn't anticipate that I would be writing the following a bit over a year later:
France's prima donna President has a decidedly negative effect on EU governance at the moment. Not only does he hijack existing initiatives to the greater glory of Sarko only to drop them when the photo-op has been obtained, but he also has fostered a culture where there is a directoire of a few large (and conservative) governments hashing out EU policy with Barroso and then ramming it through the EU Council. Even mid-sized states are not happy.

EurActiv: Big member states 'backing out of EU', warns Hungary FM (27 April 2009 )

Balázs, who is a former EU commissioner, said that large member states were looking to "strengthen" the role of other institutions as alternative decision-making fora.

The foreign minister said Germany had been working "to seize economic institutions and to strengthen the G20" since 2007.

In line with views recently expressed by Belgian Foreign Minister Karel de Gucht (EurActiv 21/04/09), he argued that the aim of such actions was to leave smaller EU member states "behind", with larger members preferring to deal with states that have "similar influence and weight".

and EU increasingly governed by the few, Belgian FM warns (21 April 2009)
With just a year to go until the Belgian EU Presidency, the country's foreign minister denounced the functioning of the Union, which he said is increasingly governed by an "executive board of big countries".

Speaking on Monday (20 April) at the opening of an annual diplomatic conference in Brussels, Karel de Gucht said Belgium would make full use of its presidency in the second half of 2010 to re-establish the EU institutional balance, which he said was in "danger".

"It is absolutely unacceptable that small groups of member states put in danger the normal institutional process," de Gucht said. "Belgium has the duty of trying as quickly as possible to re-establish the institutional balance."



En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 09:12:38 AM EST
Balázs is somewhat free-wheeling, so, unfortunately, one can't infer the PM's position from what he says.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 10:05:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I just checked the Hungarian on-line media BTW, and the only mention of StopBlair! is a translation of the Euractiv article... while there is detailed coverage of Burlesquoni's endorsement. (But, also of the BeNeLux and Austrian opposition.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 10:17:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You posted
Qualified majority rules ... As from 1 November 2014
The applicable rules in this instance are the vote totals you posted in the diary, plus
Acts shall be adopted if there are at least 255 votes in favour representing a majority of the members where, under the Treaties, they must be adopted on a proposal from the Commission. In other cases decisions shall be adopted if there are at least 255 votes in favour representing at least two thirds of the
members.
A member of the European Council or the Council may request that, where an act is adopted by the European Council or the Council by a qualified majority, a check is made to ensure that the Member States comprising the qualified majority represent at least 62 % of the total population of the Union. If that proves not to be the case, the act shall not be adopted.


En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 09:14:58 AM EST
generic:
Austria should be unlikely.


En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 09:16:20 AM EST
Germany 29 (Not a proponent of presidentialism a la Blair [citation needed])

No need: Germany is federalist. But you could link to afew's A-B-C, The Seven Dwarfs, And The Giant Bird.

Sweden 10 [citation needed]

See comment by afew.

Poland 27 (a comment somewhere on ET, but I can't find it)

No, Euractiv story in the body of nanne's Mary Robinson and Facebook Politics.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 10:02:47 AM EST
I expect Malta and Cyprus will do as they are bidden. 7 points for Tony?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 11:00:39 AM EST
I could go with that.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 11:42:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Would Cyprus not be more influenced by Greece?

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 12:33:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It is a popular sentiment that Cyprus still (despite being a crown colony no more) still takes orders from the brittish that has two prominent bases on the island.

Akrotiri and Dhekelia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia are two UK-administered areas on the island of Cyprus that comprise the Sovereign Base Areas military bases of the United Kingdom. The bases were retained by the UK following the granting of independence and the eventual transition of Cyprus from a crown colony to an independent sovereign state. The United Kingdom demanded and succeeded in continuing to occupy a portion of Cyprus in the form of military bases because of the strategic location of Cyprus in the Mediterranean Sea in pursuit of UK interests.

I know not more then that, but would be interested in reading more on the subject.

Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se

by A swedish kind of death on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 03:14:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Given that Greece directly sponsored the 1974 Coup which ousted President Archbishop Makarious and remains the guarantor of Greek Cypriot Claims over Turkish occupied northern Cyprus, I would expect Greek influence to greatly outweigh British Influence - unless Blair has some personal connections or allies I am not aware of.

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 04:01:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I thought Cyprus and Malta joined the EU as a concession to the UK to balance out the addition of 8 Eastern European countries presumably in Germany's sphere of influence...

So, in my mind, Cyprus and Malta vote with the British.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 04:05:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't see the influence today of the 1974 Greece of the military junta?

Britain supported Cyprus for EU membership and got involved in making it possible, is more recent. British property investment and tourism are also mainstays of the economy.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 05:54:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The Cyprus coup was the undoing of the military Junta and of the Monarchy. Like the Falklands War ended the Argentinean dictatorship...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 06:07:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Enosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
n December 1949, the Cypriot Orthodox Church challenged the British Colonial Government to put the Enosis question to a referendum. As was expected, the colonial government refused, and the Church proceeded to organize its own referendum which would take place in churches and be supervised by priests. The referendum took place on the two consecutive Sundays of January 15 and 22, 1950, with the overwhelming majority (95.7%) voting in favor of extricating the island from the British Empire and annexing it to the Kingdom of Greece.

The coup precipitated by the Cypriot Enosis movement and Greek military Junta precipitated the Turkish invasion which in turn put paid to the prospects of actual Union with Greece.  However Culturally Greek Cypriots are very much Greek rather than British even if there is a dependency on British tourism (and Cypriot expats in the UK).  It's a long time since I was in Cyprus, but my recollection is of a political culture very much more orientated towards Greece rather than Britain.  Wheter this has any relevance to the Blair issue, I really don't know.

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 08:41:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Denmark 7 (Fogh is bosom buddy with Blair and the flunky we have now doesn't have an independent thought in his head)

Denmark also stood out from the small countries in 2002-3 when Blair was fighting for the "big" presidency by supporting the idea unflinchingly. See A-B-C, the Seven Dwarfs, and the Giant Bird.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 11:05:23 AM EST
My contacts in the EU commission, who happen to hail from from Hungary, indicate that Blair would be an unpopular choice for that country's current delegation.  Unlikely is my guess.
by santiago on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 02:29:54 PM EST
Folkbladet:
Utrikesminister Carl Bildt ägnar sin energi åt att försöka bli EU:s nye "utrikesminister", men är troligen chanslös mot Frankrikes utrikesminister Bernard Kouchner. Den Höge representanten, som posten kallas på EU:s fikonspråk, blir också vice ordförande för kommissionen och kan bidra till en välbehövlig inre och yttre samordning av EU-ländernas internationella agerande. Men detaljerna är ännu oklara. Oklart är också hur mycket makt den nye permanente ordföranden ska få. Här nämns bland andra Tony Blair, Storbritanniens förre premiärminister.

Blair är inkarnationen av europeisk undfallenhet mot USA, han är genuint impopulär i Tredje världen och hans tricksande med sanningen för att lura in britterna i Irakkriget borde för all framtid diskvalicera honom för ett ledande ämbete i Europa. Varför inte bryta gubbdominansen i EU med Irlands förra president Mary Robinson? Robinson är en engagerad, skicklig och hederlig politiker, som skulle företräda det nya Europa på ett utmärkt sätt.

Det finns inga tecken på att Reinfeldt & Co har något större inflytande på den här processen heller. Det lär inte hindra patriotiska svenska media från att utmåla varje kompromiss som gjorts över ordförandeskapets huvud som en seger för Reinfeldt. Oppositionen har slutit borgfred och tiger när viktiga beslut tas om Europa.


The gist I get is that Bildt wants to become High Representative but is thought to have no chance against Kouchner, which I wouldn't be so sure of. Germany is I think going to get their candidate in either of the posts, and they might back Bildt or De Hoop Scheffer if they don't get Balkenende as prez. Do they say that Robinson is 'out of the market' in new Europe?
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 05:40:07 AM EST
Google translation:

Why not break the old man's dominance in Europe with Ireland's former President Mary Robinson? Robinson is a dedicated, skilful and honest politician, which would represent a new Europe in an excellent manner.

(utmärkt = excellent...)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 06:03:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
afew:
utmärkt = excellent
Outstanding?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 06:06:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Etymologically, yes, but semantically it is closer to "excellent."

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 06:08:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I would much rather have Bildt that Kouchner, to be honest.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 06:04:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Me too. Kouchner is a crook.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Fri Oct 30th, 2009 at 03:59:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Rough translation:



Utrikesminister Carl Bildt ägnar sin energi åt att försöka bli EU:s nye "utrikesminister", men är troligen chanslös mot Frankrikes utrikesminister Bernard Kouchner. Den Höge representanten, som posten kallas på EU:s fikonspråk, blir också vice ordförande för kommissionen och kan bidra till en välbehövlig inre och yttre samordning av EU-ländernas internationella agerande. Men detaljerna är ännu oklara. Oklart är också hur mycket makt den nye permanente ordföranden ska få. Här nämns bland andra Tony Blair, Storbritanniens förre premiärminister.Foreign minister Carl Bildt puts his energy into an attempt to become the EU's new "foreign minister," but probably doesn't stand a chance against France's foreign minister Kouchner. The High Representative, as the post is called in EU-speak, will also be deputy speaker for the Commission and can contribute to a needed cooperation on European international affairs. But the details are still unclear. What is also unclear is how much power the new permanent chairman [of the Council] gets. Here Tony Blair, ex-PM of Britain is among the names mentioned.
Blair är inkarnationen av europeisk undfallenhet mot USA, han är genuint impopulär i Tredje världen och hans tricksande med sanningen för att lura in britterna i Irakkriget borde för all framtid diskvalicera honom för ett ledande ämbete i Europa. Varför inte bryta gubbdominansen i EU med Irlands förra president Mary Robinson? Robinson är en engagerad, skicklig och hederlig politiker, som skulle företräda det nya Europa på ett utmärkt sätt.Blair is the incarnation of European subservience to the US, he is genuinely unpopular in the third world and his economical treatment of the truth when he was luring Britain into the Iraq war should disqualify him permanently from any higher office in Europe. Why not break the sausage fest in the EU with Ireland's ex-president Mary Robinson? Robinson is an active, nice and honest politician, who would be an excellent representative for Europe.
Det finns inga tecken på att Reinfeldt & Co har något större inflytande på den här processen heller. Det lär inte hindra patriotiska svenska media från att utmåla varje kompromiss som gjorts över ordförandeskapets huvud som en seger för Reinfeldt. Oppositionen har slutit borgfred och tiger när viktiga beslut tas om Europa.Nor is there any sign that Reinfeldt and his friends have any serious influence on this process. Which has not prevented patriotic Swedish press houses from declaring every compromise made behind the [rotating] chairman's back as a victory for Reinfeldt. The opposition has declared [untranslatable Scandinavian term - roughly "parliamentary peace"] and keeps quiet when important decisions are made about Europe.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 06:05:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
borgfred... [untranslatable Scandinavian term - roughly "parliamentary peace"]

Germanic. It's Burgfrieden in German, original meaning: peace among individuals enforced inside and under the 'jurisdiction' of a castle. I guess this must have existed in English as well, but maybe died out of use for lack of 19th century or WWI-era re-use; afew?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 06:52:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Old English for borg/burg is burg (modern Eng "borough").

There are heaps of compounds with this, among which

burgfolc townsfolk
burggemót town meeting (moot)
burgwaran/s burghers

The equivalent of fred/fried was frið, but this one went out of use, replaced by the French borrowing "peace", some time in the Middle English period.

I can't find an example of burgfrið.

OTOH, there are also lots of OE frið compounds, of which the prettiest is friðcandel: "peace candle" -- the sun.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 09:02:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]
On the political rather then linguistic side of borgfred this was proposed at the beginning of the presidency but rejected by the opposition (contrary to what this article states). Of course, one can still be disappointed with their political effiency on certain issues.

Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se
by A swedish kind of death on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 09:59:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
in a major interview, was distinctly noncommittal about French support for Blair.

Le Figaro - Politique : «Ce n'est pas mon fils qui est visé, c'est moi»Le Figaro: Sarkozy Interview
Une fois Lisbonne ratifié, Tony Blair peut-il être un bon candidat à la présidence de l'Union européenne ?Once Lisbon has been ratified, could Tony Blair be a good candidate for the presidency of the European Union (sic)?
Il est trop tôt pour le dire. Il y aura un débat. Nous sommes en présence de deux thèses : faut-il un président fort et charismatique ou un président qui facilite la recherche du consensus et qui organise le travail ? Personnellement, je crois en une Europe forte politiquement et incarnée. Mais le fait que la Grande-Bretagne ne soit pas dans l'euro reste un problème.It is too soon to say. There will be a debate. There are two theses: do we need a strong and charismatic president or a president who helps to seek consensus and who organizes the work? Personally, I believe in a politically strong Europe embodied [by someone]. But the fact that Great Britain is not in the euro remains a problem.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 05:57:54 AM EST
With Poland's declaration, it's now 66 votes, 5/27 = 18.5% of countries and 14.8% of the population against. (Blocking minorities are still a long way to go: 121 votes, 10 countries, 38.1% of the population.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Oct 26th, 2009 at 07:21:13 AM EST
JakeS, will you update diagrams and table in this diary, or are you waiting for more declarations for a separate update?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Oct 26th, 2009 at 02:54:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'll update it.

But I'll have to reconstruct the spreadsheet essentially from scratch, because I was too stupid and short-sighted to document the code properly...

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Oct 26th, 2009 at 03:03:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
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Rules and timing unclear

(EurActiv) - The criteria for who to choose for these two new top positions were not written down in the Lisbon Treaty. It will therefore be up to Europe's heads of state and government to decide on who they want to choose as their new representatives.

Judging from the way the president of the European Commission has been selected in the past, it can be expected that mysterious bargaining will once again take place among the 27 EU countries.

The bargaining package will have to take into account decisions already taken to reappoint José Manuel Barroso as European Commission president and Jerzy Buzek as president of the European Parliament. It will also take into account the distribution of important portfolios in the Commission.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 at 07:00:54 AM EST
EU backlash as David Miliband pushes President Boney Blair | Mail Online

A foreign backlash is growing against Tony Blair becoming Europe's first president.

Despite a brazen attempt by David Miliband to drum up support, leading political figures in France, Germany, Austria and Poland warned yesterday that the former prime minister was an unsuitable candidate.

Mr Miliband risked accusations of abusing his position as Foreign Secretary by using an official meeting of EU foreign ministers in Luxembourg to garner support for Mr Blair. 

The leading Blairite cabinet minister also continued to take to the airwaves to play up his former leader's credentials.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 at 07:33:06 AM EST
Steve Bell on Tony Blair and the EU presidency | From the Guardian | The Guardian  

Lazy link to cartoon

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 at 07:38:34 AM EST
Is that supposed to be Brown on the right?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 at 08:31:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Ah, sorry, figured out at last...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 at 08:33:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]
What a juxtaposition!

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 at 03:46:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
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Finacial policy is in step with Sarkozy and Merkel.

Juncker supports limiting bank bonuses payouts

Eurogroup head Jean-Claude Juncker gave support on to a French proposal to set international limits on bankers' bonuses.

"I totally support the proposals made by France," for a G20 summit to be held in the United States on September 24-25, Luxembourg Prime Minister and Eurogroup head Juncker told reporters as he arrived for a meeting of EU finance ministers in Brussels.

Earlier French President Nicolas Sarkozy announced his intention to urge his G20 partners to limit banking bonuses, after winning a commitment from French bankers for a system of performance-related pay for traders.

Juncker "would not refuse" to serve as EU president

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 at 08:57:13 AM EST
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Sufficient reason to move the 29 votes of France to column "Unlikely" next to Merkel. Also based on agreement of the Big Three only to support a candidate by consensus, a de facto veto power.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 at 03:33:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
With the latest news, maybe not:

afew:

LEAD 2 Paris peu enthousiaste sur Juncker à la tête de l'UE | Reuters

Plusieurs diplomates européens ont indiqué mardi que Paris continuait de soutenir la candidature Blair même si l'Elysée n'est pas prête à aller jusqu'à l'affrontement sur cette question avec certains de ses partenaires européens, qui s'inquiètent du poids trop important qui serait réservé aux grands pays au détriment des petits.

Cette question figurera au menu d'un dîner entre Nicolas Sarkozy et Angela Merkel, mercredi à Paris.

Roughly: European diplomats say Paris isn't supportive of Juncker and still backs Blair, even if the Elysée is not ready to go as far as a face-off with European partners who worry about too much weight being given to the big countries over the small.

Sarkozy and Merkel will talk about this over dinner in Paris on Wednesday.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 at 03:39:26 PM EST
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Disappointed Sarkozy shifts gaze from Washington

PARIS (Reuters) - French President Nicolas Sarkozy, initially dubbed Sarko the American for his pro-U.S. stance, is finding it much tougher to deal with Washington than he had anticipated and is recalibrating his policies accordingly.

CHIDING OBAMA

... the chemistry never bubbled. Analysts say Obama clearly prefers dealing with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Sarkozy is visibly frustrated by the situation.

Sarkozy's critics say he is jealous of Obama's high profile and hurt by public putdowns -- such as the U.S. president's refusal to dine with him during a visit to Paris last June.

Officials say the disconnect is centred on real issues, such as Obama's attitude to Iran's nuclear ambitions, which has been less hardline than Sarkozy's hawkish stance .  

Sarkozy and Merkel on Turkey's Membership Bid: One Europe or Many?

As a result, Sarkozy will not particularly like to be in the shadow of Tony Blair.  I support the view Sarkozy is using Blair as a deviation to be open to bargaining the coming weeks.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 at 04:40:25 PM EST
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That's my hunch, too, but that's not a vote against.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 at 07:28:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
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See my latest comment.

"The focus is now seemingly on Balkenende."

"Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini has said that the decision will be taken in consensus."

"Sarkozy, the French president, and Merkel, the German chancellor, discussed the new EU president at a dinner at the Elysée palace on Wednesday. They are understood to have agreed that the post should be filled from the main centre-right EPP grouping, which brings together the parties currently ruling most EU countries."

The dark horse in the race: JP Balkenende.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Fri Oct 30th, 2009 at 04:35:46 PM EST
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Blair's old rival, Jean-Claude Juncker, makes bid for president - Times Online
Franco Frattini, Italy's Foreign Minister, delivered a second setback when he said that the choice of future president should be "unanimous and the result of consensus" among the 27 EU member states. Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian Prime Minister, who will not make tomorrow's summit after contracting scarlet fever, had indicated he favoured Mr Blair. "That's true," Mr Frattini added. "But the entry into the fray of Mr Juncker and why not [Dutch Prime Minister Jan-Peter] Balkenende changes the picture."
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Oct 28th, 2009 at 03:09:52 AM EST
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From Times article:

Franco Frattini, Italy's Foreign Minister, delivered a second setback when he said that the choice of future president should be "unanimous and the result of consensus" among the 27 EU member states. Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian Prime Minister, who will not make tomorrow's summit after contracting scarlet fever.

That's been my argument in latest comments here. The Big Three already had this agreement, voting will be done in secrecy during bargaining for all positions of the new EU Commission. To preserve unity, it's not going to be Tony Blair. His high profile will work to his disadvantage with Sarkozy, Merkel and in the end with Brown also. No one wants Blair reinstated in another 5 year haul with all benefits and expenses paid.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Wed Oct 28th, 2009 at 03:56:06 AM EST
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Another for the No camp, by virtue of having an own candidate:

Vaira Vike-Freiberga is ready to become the preisdent of the EU

RIGA - Latvian ex-president Vaira Vike-Freiberga agreed to become a candidate for a new post of a European Union president.

Today, the Prime-Minister Valdis Dombrovskis had a conversation with the former president, during which he promised to support Vike-Freiberga on a state level.

In Prime-Ministers opinion, Vike-Freiberga has all the necessary knowledge and experience, to hold such a senior position. He believes, that Vike-Freiberga could become a compromise figure, as no one, from the already named, candidates did not receive the support of all the EU countries.

Vike-Freiberga mentioned, that both private individuals, and the representatives of several non-state organizations in some of the EU countries have told her, that she would be perfect for the post.

Earlier the candidature of Vike-Freiberga was highly evaluated by the Lithuanian president Dalia Grybauskaite.

Unfortunately, like Balkenende, Freiberga is another candidate who is no alternative to Bliar in terms of support for the Iraq War and Atlanticism.

(Currently discussed candidates in order of my preference: Halonen, Juncker, Verhofstadt, Lipponen; then Balkenende, Freiberga, Bliar.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 03:03:45 AM EST
...and two more names brought into play... by Atlanticists:

Baltic candidates emerge for EU presidency : Europe World

Estonian President Ilves was also described as a strong candidate.

Writing in the Polish daily Gazeta Wyborcza, infuential Polish policymaker Jacek Saryusz-Wolski commented: "He is a very intelligent politician who was educated in the US, but no one would doubt him being a European."

A president from a smaller member state could find broader support from EU members than a candidate from a large one, and Ilves would make a great double act with Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt, who could become the EU's foreign policy head, Saryusz-Wolski argued.

"Bildt and Ilves share similar views with Poland in trans-Atlantic matters as well as in Eastern policy questions," he said.

In response to the suggestion, Ilves would neither confirm nor deny that he would be willing to stand as a candidate if nominated.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 03:08:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I looked for something more specific than that last sentence, but could only find this:

AFP: London fights back in Blair Brussels bid

Lithunania's foreign minister, Vygaudas Usackas, also said the bloc needed "a dynamic new face for Europe, with robust, strategic visions...," before revealing his president is suggesting Latvia's female former head of state Vaira Vike-Freiberga.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 03:11:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
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EPP leaders meet ahead of the EU Council

In EPP gathering, Frattini and Joseph Daul expressed their support for JP Balkenende. I guess he will be a candidate after all ...

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 10:15:22 AM EST
Council president should be 'consensus builder' | Policies | EU governance | Council of Ministers | European Voice
The Spanish, Belgian and Hungarian prime ministers set out profile of a Council president with whom they would like to work.

The prime ministers of the three countries that will hold the next rotating presidency of the EU have said that the future president of the European Council should be someone who can build consensus, who respects the EU institutions and who can effectively represent the Union in international fora.

The prime ministers of Spain, Belgium and Hungary, which hold the rotating six-month presidency successively from January 2010 until June 2011, were speaking in Brussels ahead of a two-day summit of EU leaders.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 01:37:38 PM EST
Council president should be 'consensus builder' | Policies | EU governance | Council of Ministers | European Voice

José Luis Zapatero, Spain's prime minister, said that EU leaders would discuss the criteria for the position of Council president tonight before discussing any specific names.

Zapatero said the president should be someone "with a European vocation who wants to strengthen the Union as a matter of principle".

His Hungarian counterpart, Gordon Bajnai, said he or she should be someone who can "represent Europe in a strong way", to help ensure Europe is not left out of major decisions on international issues. But he also said the president should be willing to "listen to everyone" and to be a good "consensus-builder". The president should be able to work with the existing EU institutions, such as the rotating presidency, to avoid "infighting" that might weaken the EU.

Herman Van Rompuy, Belgium's prime minister, said that the president, whose term in office would last two-and-a-half years, should have "European commitment", should respect the EU's institutions and should be able to look for "consensus and compromise".

Van Rompuy warned, however, against focusing too much on the personality of the president. "The future of Europe does not depend on one person. It depends on a balanced game of all institutions", he said.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 01:39:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Blair seems to be doing a pretty good job of building a consensus that he is inappropriate. Does that count?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 01:41:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That's a rather empty "all of them", the way I read it...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 02:25:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That Zapatero is reported to have declared after the meeting of PES member state leaders that he wants the High Representative job for the Socialists seems more significant. Migeru, can you find a verbatim quote in the Spanish media?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 05:17:10 PM EST
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Spain, Belgium, Hungary? Get the news six months early.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 04:19:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
EU lehnt Tony Blair als Präsidenten ab | Sueddeutsche Zeitung | 29.10
Europas Sozialdemokraten lehnen den britischen Ex-Premier Tony Blair an der EU-Spitze ab. Die Präsidentschaft könnte an die Konservativen gehen, vielleicht sogar einen Österreicher - dafür reklamieren die Sozialdemokraten einen anderen Spitzenposten für sich.

Die Chancen des ehemaligen britischen Premiers Tony Blair auf den Posten des Präsidenten des Europäischen Rates tendieren seit Donnerstag gegen null. Beim Treffen der sozialdemokratischen Regierungschefs vor dem Beginn des EU-Gipfels fand der britische Regierungschef Gordon Brown kein Gehör für sein Plädoyer zugunsten seines Vorgängers.

Social Democratic parties don't want him. The "President" could be a conservative, in which case the Social Democratics want another top position. Basically Blair doesn't have a chance.

Later, the article claims that Merkel isn't particularly thrilled at the idea of Blair. As possibilities, they mention Schüssel . Juncker, and Balkenende.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 01:56:31 PM EST
I have a low feeling that Balkenende will be the winner. No one appears to oppose him. So we may have helped to prevent Bliar, but two of his Iraq War allies will be in two of the top EU posts.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 02:28:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If we look at all the posts, I would say that by helping to defeat Blair we have increased the chance of someone halfway decent from the soc-dems on some post. If Blair had got the PoTEC, then the rest could have gone to other conservatives.

Better a wolf in wolf clothing...

Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se

by A swedish kind of death on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 04:05:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The second quoted parapgraph contains the important news: at a gathering of seven SocDem EU member state leaders, Brown asked for but failed to get the endorsement of his colleagues for Bliar.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 02:30:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The article also reports that at the meeting, EP PES leader Martin Schulz and Brown had a fierce war of words over the nomination.

The latest name for High Representative is Massimo d'Alema.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 02:34:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Meanwhile, the Guardian continues to channel Bliarite spin, even if this time, they identify the issuers as "Blair fans" etc. But let's focus on the article starter image:

European council presidency may be just the job for Tony Blair - but he can't ask | Politics | The Guardian


Belgium's former leader Guy Verhofstadt, whose bid to be EU commission president faltered once he became the frontrunner. Photograph: Yves Herman/Reuters

...Blair is in the curious position of being the frontrunner for a major new post, though there are serious question marks over his chances because he is refusing to campaign. "Tony will not put himself into a position where he is humiliated like Guy Verhofstadt," one friend said.

What they forogt to say is who foiled Verhofstadt's bid and paved the way for Barroso... a certain PM with the initials T. B.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 03:57:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
...something mentioned by Le Monde, as Sarko's and Merkel's reason to not name a candidate like Schröder & Chirac did:

L'amitié entre Angela Merkel et Nicolas Sarkozy est dopée par la nouvelle politique allemande - LeMonde.fr

On a un peu parlé de la présidence du conseil de l'Union européenne. Les deux soutiennent-ils l'ex premier ministre britannique Tony Blair ? Motus : ils ne veulent pas réitérer la contre-performance de Gerhard Schröder et Jacques Chirac qui soutinrent en 2004 tambours battant la candidature du Belge Guy Verhofstadt à la présidence de la Commission, pour se heurter à un veto de... Tony Blair. Mais, confie un convive, "la chancelière et le président apprécient tous les deux Blair et continuent à le dire".


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 at 05:13:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Only third of voters want Tony Blair to be EU president - Telegraph

At the Brussels summit last night, there were growing signs of opposition to a "President Blair", as a group of smaller EU member

states launched a co-ordinated "attack of the dwarves" in a bid to block him.

The group of countries, which includes Ireland, Finland, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg and Sweden, used a dinner discussion over "rules of procedure" last night to try to define the presidency as a low-key chairmanship instead of the high-profile figurehead post Mr Blair covets.

Ireland abandoned its previous support for Mr Blair after John Bruton, a former Irish prime minister, put himself forward for the job.

A senior Irish minister told The Daily Telegraph: "We will not be supporting the idea of a Blair-type president of Europe."

Rejecting personal lobbying from Mr Brown, European Socialist leaders also signalled opposition by announcing that they want a centre-right candidate to take the presidency while a left-winger gets the new job of EU high representative for foreign affairs.

Not just Ireland pulling out, but note Denmark in with the dwarfs.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 30th, 2009 at 03:28:08 AM EST
Only third of voters want Tony Blair to be EU president - Telegraph

Significantly however, senior EU sources said that both Mr Sarkozy and Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, have now cooled on Mr Blair's candidacy.

"The mood music from France and Germany has not been positive," said one source. "It's not looking good for Blair."

Mrs Merkel, who has never made her position clear, was last night said to be supporting a low-profile "chairman" candidate such as Herman Van Rompuy of Belgium or Jan Peter Balkenende of the Netherlands.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 30th, 2009 at 03:28:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Cowen strengthens support for Bruton candidacy

THE GOVERNMENT last night strengthened its support for John Bruton's campaign for the presidency of the European Council, but strongly criticised an attack on its stance by Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny.

The battle for the position intensified at the opening of a two-day summit at which EU leaders struck a deal last night to ensure Czech ratification for the Lisbon Treaty.

by det on Fri Oct 30th, 2009 at 04:06:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
FT.com / UK - Blair has not given up on EU presidency

Tony Blair yesterday refused to throw in the towel as a potential European Union president, in spite of evidence that Europe will choose its new head from a cast-list of relatively unknown figures on the world stage.

The two-day EU summit in Brussels ended with Mr Blair's candidacy looking doomed. However, he was said by aides to be "relaxed" and British officials still hope he can win through when Europe has a closer look at the options.

A decision on who should take Europe's top jobs has been deferred until another summit - probably on November 10 or 12.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 31st, 2009 at 10:04:47 AM EST
afew:
a cast-list of relatively unknown figures on the world stage
These Brits are tirelessly annoying.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 at 08:54:39 AM EST
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