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ET Paris Meet-up, September 2009

by Fran Wed May 20th, 2009 at 01:02:43 PM EST

It's time to get ready for the ET Meet-up in Paris, which this year will take place on Saturday

September 12th.

So mark the date in your calendar.

Picture by Helen


Let us know who intents to participate and as most of us might arrive already on Friday, ideas for a programm will be welcome. LEP - you always had good ideas, let us know if you have something in mind for this year.

Also links and information for accomodation is welcome. So far most of us stayed at the Hotel Passy-Home, which is a simple but nice Hotel.

The actual place for the meet-up on Saturday will be announced in a later diary.

Will attend:
Bernard
Colman and ??? (Sam and Christopher)
Crazy Horse
Cyrille and ???(Mouna)
dvx
Fran
Helen
Jérôme
LEP
Millman
nanne
Nomad
papicek
RogueTrooper
someone
vladimir

Maybe:
ceebs
gk
JakeSr
Loefing
marco
Memnosyne
Metatone
Migeru
pi
UnEstranAvecVueSurMer
Sassafras
Sven Triloquist
whataboutbob

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Millman, looks like your wish has been granted. :-)
by Fran on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 10:43:21 AM EST
Could you people please add your name in this section if you are coming - thanks! Makes it easier for me to keep an overview of who is coming. :-)

So up to now it is

Colman
pi
Helen

who else?

by Fran on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 12:33:46 PM EST
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I'll be there (I'm about 45 mn by train, SW of Paris).
by Bernard (bernard) on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 01:42:19 PM EST
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I will be there. Fun shall be had!
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 02:36:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Great!
by Fran on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 11:49:03 PM EST
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I've noted it in my calender. But my attendance is subject to the usual constraint that my rent has financial priority. I know, I'm boring that way :-P

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 05:55:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Hope you can make it.
by Fran on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 11:45:45 PM EST
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Assuming finances are healthy, I'll manage it somehow.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 06:21:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Would be great if you could make it this time. :-)
by Fran on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 11:45:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I will be there

Money is a sign of Poverty - Culture Saying
by RogueTrooper on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 01:43:15 PM EST
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Put me down on the maybe list - work etc.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 02:53:20 AM EST
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You'll be there...you just don't know it yet.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue May 12th, 2009 at 04:31:41 AM EST
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I'm going to be there.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 04:27:48 AM EST
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Paris in September.

This should be possible. Count me in (Subject to ratification by the fiscal authorities.)

"It Can't Be Just About Us"
--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire

by papicek (papi_cek_at_hotmail_dot_com) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 08:43:13 AM EST
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Hmm, I think the wife and I are a Maybe on this.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed May 20th, 2009 at 09:35:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
by Fran on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 10:43:36 AM EST
As per usual, helen will be driving the beer hunt tho' I want more French beer. Going to Paris to drink belgian beer seems wrong somehow.

 I think I'll try and take a slightly more symmetric photo next time.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 11:09:22 AM EST
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Going to Paris to drink beer (period) sounds wrong.
You should be drinking some good French wine! There's plenty of it around: white, red, rosé, bubbly, cooked, sweet, dry, semi, fruity, oaky, vanilla, ... you name it. Much better than beer (at least when in France).
by vladimir on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 02:14:06 AM EST
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you are possibly right, but I like beer and invariably prefer it. Also, I can get drunk on beer (an occupational hazard) and be functional the next day. Wine hangovers are, by contrast, brutal.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 02:15:50 PM EST
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I'll have to introduce you to some "special" French wine which is hangover free (good quality Bordeaux in general). You need to avoid Côtes du Rhône - which undoubtedly has the best price quality ratio... but can leave your head feeling glued the following day.

But if you're a beer fan... Belgian beats French by miles.

by vladimir on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 03:39:28 PM EST
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Biere ou vin...this must be explored further, in Paris. I will pack a thirst.

"It Can't Be Just About Us"
--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire
by papicek (papi_cek_at_hotmail_dot_com) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 06:44:40 PM EST
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The Stoner's Advantage is of course is no hangover whatsoever. But getting out of bed is a problem ;-)

As is finding the way back to the hotel...

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 12th, 2009 at 12:03:10 PM EST
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I once spent five hours trying to find my way home.

It was, yes, three or four blocks away.

So...yeah, I'll take the hangover....

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed May 20th, 2009 at 09:38:55 PM EST
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I was telling the story at my friends funeral of the night he tried, under the influence of much beer and smokeables to steal a train. After the line had shut down for the night, because he had missed the last train and  thought it best that he had a vehicle that you didn't need to steer to attempt to go home in.

The local police found him in the cab, attempting to find the starter, and having persuaded him outside, gave him a lift home so he didn't try to steal it again once they had gone.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 20th, 2009 at 10:21:23 PM EST
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That's policing: these days he would have had a SWAT team interdicting a terrorist act.

A mate of mine told me how after the A610 bypass was opened from the M1 about eight miles past Eastwood in Nottinghamshire a friend of his and a mate took out his custom Vauxhall Calibra turbo (or some such) at 3am to see how fast it would go.

He was doing over 140mph when he passed a police car who had stopped for a fag-break, and they took off after him and flagged him down.

The policemen (both car aficianados, which is probably compulsory) walked around the car admiringly, had a look under the bonnet, and then one took out his notebook.

"Right lads. Nice burn, we clocked 144 - let's call it 85 shall we?"

3 points on the licence, small fine.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu May 21st, 2009 at 06:37:16 AM EST
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That was pretty typical on the Beeline Highway in South Florida, out in the middle of nowhere near the sugar cane.  Friend of mine got pulled doing something well over 100 in his Pontiac Firebird, got off with a small fine.

You'd probably never get away with it on the A610 now.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu May 21st, 2009 at 08:13:34 AM EST
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Chris, no chance of you going to the meet-up this time?

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco on Thu May 21st, 2009 at 10:55:26 AM EST
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"Going to Paris to drink beer (period) sounds wrong."

Well, chacun a son gout, and their type of hangover; living in France I sometimes drink wine and sometimes beer. I wouldn't say it's "wrong" to go to Paris to drink beer, but to spend any of a limited amount of time in Paris "hunting" for beer of various flavours seems not so much "wrong" as a bit sad, and sadly, the Brit habit of just getting pissed seems to be catching on with French youth. Personally, in Paris, I prefer to go to places where I can drink in the ambience, and the particular type of booze is rather secondary, see suggestions.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 05:25:26 PM EST
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but to spend any of a limited amount of time in Paris "hunting" for beer of various flavours seems not so much "wrong" as a bit sad

Yup. And your point is .. ?  

chacun a son gout  :-))

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 12th, 2009 at 06:36:39 AM EST
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Aw, that's not true.  I generally don't care much for beer from the Continent, but I quite like French beer.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed May 20th, 2009 at 09:39:46 PM EST
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September 12 is OK for me.
by vladimir on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 02:24:14 AM EST
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This will be my first Paris meetup as a non-parisian.
But I'll make sure that I (we, probably) will be there.

I would recommend that one lunch or dinner is spent at les Vendanges (porte d'Orléans) where you get truly awesome food for 35€ (25 if you go for the two courses menu, which I really should do if I don't exercise more until then).

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 01:14:57 PM EST
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Oh, and ??? is called Mouna ;-)

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi
by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 04:17:16 AM EST
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I know, but is Mouna coming?
by Fran on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 02:47:14 PM EST
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Most probably.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi
by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 05:32:21 PM EST
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LEP:
As for Friday, we could consider visiting the Pere Lachaise cemetary, with a dinner in the Chinatown of the 20th arondissement afterwards. We considered doing that last year but changed our plans for reasons I don't recall, although we certainly had a great dinner in the quartier Mouffetard.

Sounds good to me.

by Fran on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 11:46:49 PM EST
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Just thinking out (virtual) loud, I wonder if it would be possible to get a discount on a contingent of rooms at the Passy Home.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 03:30:33 AM EST
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It should be possible to reserve a block of rooms for two nights (Friday and Saturday) until (say) a month prior to the meetup weekend.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buitler
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 04:07:35 AM EST
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As soon as I got some time I will send them a mail and ask.
by Fran on Tue May 12th, 2009 at 12:48:55 AM EST
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now there is a 60% chance i will be in Paris in September, in which case i will most definitely attend the meet-up.

as an idea, what about trying to meet up with other blogs/bloggers and associations with similar or related themes to ours?  for example, Café Babel?

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco on Wed May 20th, 2009 at 12:33:11 PM EST
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when i lived in Tokyo, occasionally i attended the Tokyo Pecha Kucha Nights:

What is Pecha Kucha Night?

Each presenter is allowed 20 images, each shown for 20 seconds each - giving 6 minutes 40 seconds of fame before the next presenter is up. This keeps presentations concise, the interest level up, and gives more people the chance to show.

how about have a EuroTrib Pecha Kucha night (or day) at the Paris meet-up?  we can tweak the requirements (e.g. images optional, different time limits, etc.) as we want, of course.  the main idea is to have a format to elicit interesting talks and discussions in a creative fashion.

(Pecha Kucha nights happen in cities around the world.  if you want to attend one, you can check if your city has them on their website: Pecha Kucha Cities)

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco on Wed May 20th, 2009 at 12:57:03 PM EST
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We are already overwhelmed with the great conversations we have. Really. The absolutely best thing about meet ups is the non-stop fascinating conversation with people you've never met but just have so much in common with.

It's a goodidea in other circumstances but we really don't need conversational catalysts.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed May 20th, 2009 at 01:47:02 PM EST
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yes, i know there are already plenty of great conversations.  but my thought was that providing a forum with a modest amount of structure, if only for an afternoon or an evening, might offer an outlet to present ideas, experiences, opinions, suggestions, etc. in a way that might not have a natural or obvious way of coming out in casual conversation.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco on Wed May 20th, 2009 at 01:55:47 PM EST
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Sounds good.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 12:21:33 PM EST
I'll try to attend 8-)

Now what ?
by pi (etribu-at-opsec.eu) on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 12:30:47 PM EST
I'd like to go but I can't confirm it yet.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buitler
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 01:53:39 PM EST
Quoting Hank Williams, "god willing and the creeks don't rise," i'll be there for a long weekend.

Since the Paris meetup is so late, i'll have to rethink my idea for a fall meetup in Bremen.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 02:07:43 PM EST
Bremen sounds good!  I have relations in Oldenburg!

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 03:15:17 PM EST
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We will do this.  I was originally thinking early fall (assuming i sign the wohnung contract this week.)  If we meet in Paris 12 Sept that rules out fall.  So it might not be 'til next spring.  (Who wants to come to Bremen in winter, when all there is is the best Weinachts Markt in Germany.)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 04:07:22 PM EST
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Sounds like you are not going to be in Paris. :-(
by Fran on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 11:49:33 PM EST
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Fran, i'll do everything i can to be in Paris in spetember.  merely meant that i'd rethink when to have a meetup in bremen.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 03:09:06 AM EST
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That response was for Frank! :-)
by Fran on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 03:38:21 AM EST
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Hi Fran!  I will miss you and your calm and luminous presence! Perhaps you'll make it to Bremen?

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 03:02:09 PM EST
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I'm definitely up for Bremen (as you know). Anytime. Perhaps we could persuade Jake and NordicStorm etc?

Paris is a possibility. If my daughter is still studying in France (the Delphic Oracle is required for any preknowldge of this), then more of a probability. I also have a long-delayed trip to Lyon to make ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 04:34:41 PM EST
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I might be able to make it to Bremen, if I know early enough.
by Fran on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 11:44:35 PM EST
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then do a Bremen meetup beforehand. I appreciate it may fall right into people's summer holidays but so long as it doesn't clash with WOMAD (late July) I'd be very tempted.

I only failed Amsterdam due to being in a new job and not getting the time off.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 02:13:57 PM EST
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I don't think missing a meet-up can count as a failure!

I'll be in Rotterdam 14-16th June.  How about 12-14th. June?

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 03:10:04 PM EST
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There's no chance of a summer meet in Bremen, for me, because I will be homeless between 2 June and middle or end of July.  when my new Wohnung is ready.  but i must leave where i am now in a few weeks, hence the gap.  always the chance of a private meet.  there has been some talk of putting me back on the road in June as well.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 04:00:56 PM EST
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Yikes, the flights are ridiculously expensive into rotterdam. Can't afford it I fear. I can't even begin to justify anything over £150 for a weekend I fear.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 04:03:26 PM EST
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Eurostar to Brussels is way cheaper than that. How much is it to Amsterdam?

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buitler
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 04:04:39 PM EST
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I was suggesting combining my meeting in Rotterdam with a meet-up in Bremen, not a meet-up in Rotterdam!  Unfortunately June doesn't suit CH, so we'll have to go back to plan B and wait until after the Fall!

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 04:11:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
(Flights into Amsterdam Schipol are often cheap, and trains from Schipol easy. I don't remember the train fare to Rotterdam, and I think I would have if it were that high...)
by Sassafras on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 05:49:12 PM EST
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Tampere-Bremen is a cheap Klingonair flight for me.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 12th, 2009 at 12:04:59 PM EST
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I intend to be at the meet up.
As for Friday, we could consider visiting the Pere Lachaise cemetary, with a dinner in the Chinatown of the 20th arondissement afterwards. We considered doing that last year but changed our plans for reasons I don't recall, although we certainly had a great dinner in the quartier Mouffetard.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 04:37:23 PM EST
Looking forward to seeing you again. :-)
by Fran on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 11:50:10 PM EST
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I'd like to attend, but more than creeks rising or not will determine. So far, I'm up to organizing a long-delayed brief jaunt in June, but not to Paris except for planes most likely.

Oh, and finances. Who knows?

by Mnemosyne on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 07:51:44 PM EST
Yes, who knows? Hopefully it will become a possibility, would be nice to meet you. :-)
by Fran on Sun May 10th, 2009 at 11:48:00 PM EST
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I'll be there!

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 03:27:35 AM EST
I'm in. Awesome.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 03:56:44 AM EST
Will whataboutbob still be on the European continent in September? Don't know...but if I am, will try hard to join the fun!! Stay tuned...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 07:01:22 AM EST
The first Meet-up there is a chance I can attend! After five years of scrupulously following ET, it was about time.

I can thank being done with school for that. I'll let you whenever I am sure.

Thanks Fran for the Announcement.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 02:43:31 PM EST
Hope you can make it this time. :-)
by Fran on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 02:51:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Eurostar's booking is one week away from the weekend of 12th september and there will be £59 tickets avialble if booked in the next couple of weeks.

I'll probably do Thursday through Monday and make a big weekend of it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 04:29:16 PM EST
You mean return tickets, of course (just so that people know...).

It's likely they will be available for a bit longer, I'd say. Regrettably, taking non exchangeable that far ahead is rather risky for me.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 05:31:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
This all feels a bit strange, because I should have come to the last meet, but chance intervened and it's sort of a weird anniversary for me(!)  

I'd love to come, but I don't know my situation. I'm pretty much trapped in the UK until I can get medical travel insurance again, for one thing.  I'm making the most of it by taking the children on a long-aspired-to UK road trip this summer  :)

by Sassafras on Mon May 11th, 2009 at 06:07:48 PM EST
I'll put you in the maybe list, just as a good omen. Who knows, maybe you can still make it. :-)
by Fran on Tue May 12th, 2009 at 12:50:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I thought that anyone covered by NHS was also covered by Sécurité Sociale. Hae I made that up in my deranged mind?

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi
by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Tue May 12th, 2009 at 01:59:43 AM EST
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Absolutely.  But had I become ill in Paris last year (instead of a couple of days before), I would either have spent two months in a Paris hospital (where I know the care would have been excellent, but that would have been really hard on my family) or needed an air ambulance home.  I'm perfectly fit, my condition is stable and I will be able to get insurance, maybe even by September.  I'm just not going to like what it costs!
by Sassafras on Tue May 12th, 2009 at 02:19:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
unpleasant financial surprises, I can make it.
by Nomad (Bjinse) on Tue May 12th, 2009 at 04:22:16 AM EST
If this is going to be an East Paris centered meetup, I'd recommend what is probably the least expensive accommodation you can find anywhere in the city:  Hôtel Vicq d'Azir

Last time I recommended it, a room went for €35 / night. It's perfectly adequate, no frills, yet well above hostel comfort levels, and is just a hop and a skip from the Gares du Nord and Est.

As an added extra, the hotel is kitty corner from the French Communist party headquarters : ), designed by Oscar Neimeyer [worth a visit] and is within walking distance from La Villette and the canal de l'Est.

It's a very lively part of town, with the Oberkampf quartier, its bars and music, and the Bouffes du Nord [a superb theater].

I hope I'll be available for the meetup. I can't make a commitment just now, but I'll certainly be available for advice as to where to go and dine in the mean while.

by Loefing on Tue May 12th, 2009 at 03:08:22 PM EST
Thank you for the tip and it would be nice if you meet you at the meetup. :-)
by Fran on Wed May 13th, 2009 at 12:53:44 AM EST
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I might be able to attend, I checked trains, and it looks like I should be able to get a couchette from Verona to the lovely Paris Bercy station for around 55 Euro one way (on the SNCF site) or 45 (Trenitalia's "Smart Price"), but they only go on sale 3 months in advance anyway, so I have plenty of time to decide.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue May 12th, 2009 at 05:40:49 PM EST
Would be nice if you could come. :-)
by Fran on Wed May 13th, 2009 at 12:54:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Next year.  I've started saving, this year its the granddaughters on a cross-country car trip lasting a month.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Thu May 14th, 2009 at 12:39:54 PM EST


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