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Towards full-world economics

by JakeS Tue Aug 18th, 2009 at 03:47:00 AM EST

The empty world
During the 19th century, and well into the 20th, economic conditions were shaped by the relationship between capital and labour. If one had access to capital and could mobilise a labour force, the raw materials for production were largely free for the taking (although on occasion the people living on top of them had to first be removed...).

This one might call the "empty world:" Humans were an insignificant force in the grand scheme of things, and did not materially affect the availability of raw materials.

Naturally, the economics of the empty world do not revolve around the physics and economics of natural resources. Rather, the economics of the empty world revolve around the ability of capital to command labour, or of labour to command capital. The exceptions were mostly the kind of strategic resources that were made scarce less by lack of availability than by a tendency among imperial powers to hoard them from their geopolitical rivals (rubber, cotton, guano, etc.).

The full world
In the latter half of the 20th century, this changed radically: Industrial production had by then increased to the point where the availability of raw materials had become a point of crucial importance. The iconic resource crisis (although this went largely unrecognised at the time) was probably the oil shock following the peak of the Texas oil production.

This one might call the "full world:" A world in which the limiting factor on production is some combination of labour, capital and raw materials. Specifically, there is a hard ceiling on the availability of some raw materials - a point beyond which they will not be available at any price, for the simple reason that they are not physically present in the relevant amount.

Naturally, the economic models that were developed in, and adapted to, the empty world are unlikely to suffice in the full world.

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The most obvious point of departure for developing an economic theory for a full world seems to be the way different kinds of resources impose different constraints on economic activity.

Different kinds of resources
Broadly speaking, I would divide raw materials into three groups:

  1. Renewable resources: As long as they are not exploited to the point of permanent degradation, renewable resources naturally replenish themselves within a reasonable time frame. If left to their own devices, they will tend to approach some semi-stable level, or show some sort of semi-stable cyclical behaviour. They are, in the usual case, hard to stockpile in any great quantity - most physical and chemical substances that are easily formed are also easily degraded. Forests, wind, incident solar radiation, agricultural land and fish stocks are all examples of renewable resources.

  2. Reusable resources: Reusable resources are those which may be reclaimed from the products that they are used in the production of. These are typically fairly easy to stockpile - the ability to survive industrial processing without being rendered worthless upon reclamation usually means that they will not easily degrade. However, they will also typically not form in any appreciable quantity on any economically interesting time scale. Metals are the prime example of this class of raw materials.

  3. Consumable resources are those resources which can - for all practical purposes - be used only once before they are destroyed forever, and do not form in any appreciable quantities on any economically interesting time scale. These may sometimes be stockpiled and sometimes not, but once used they can never be recovered or replaced. Fossil fuels is the most prominent example, but I am sure that there are others as well.

It is worthwhile to note that renewable and reusable resources can be turned into consumable resources through incompetent or irresponsible management: A tropical forest, once clear cut, does not re-grow on any time scale that is meaningful to human civilisation. Similarly, aluminium that is burnt and scattered to the wind with the ash is in practise irrecoverable.

These three groups of raw materials impose different constraints upon the production of goods. Renewable resources constrain the rate at which goods can be produced, but does not - in principle - constrain the amount of goods that can be produced in total. Reusable resources constrain the total amount of the resource that can be in use at any given time, but does not - in principle - constrain the rate at which goods can be produced. Finally, consumable resources constrain the total amount that can ever be produced.

From this discussion, it should be fairly obvious that configuring an economy to rely on consumable resources (except as a purely transitional stage) is prima facie insanity. Further, mismanaging renewable and reusable resources in such a fashion as to render them into consumable resources is the highest of economic treason towards one's fellow man.

Different kinds of resource shocks
An economy running on empty-world principles can expect to run into a series of resource shocks, as the economic models which assume effectively infinite supplies of raw materials collide with the physical reality of finite supplies.1

However, different kinds of resources will provoke different kinds of shocks.

Renewable resources will give some warning when they are over-exploited - fish stocks decline, forests yield less timber, cropland deteriorates, and so on.

Normally, when this happens there is still time to pull back extraction to a sustainable level in a planned and orderly way - as has been done with fishing and whaling quotas, which have restored many of our threatened and depleted fish stocks to some measure of viability.

Reusable resources will typically give less direct warning of their imminent scarcity than renewables. But in many cases there will be a reserve that can be reclaimed from our waste heaps, which will hopefully suffice to breach the gap during the transition to a complete full-world economic doctrine.

At any rate, as long as we do not behave in a truly treasonously stupid fashion, total availability of reusable resources will not be lower than it is today.

Finally, consumable resources will give just as little direct warning as reusable resources, and the economic consequences of their scarcity are far more dangerous if we are critically dependent upon them: Once availability enters terminal decline, no power on the planet will restore our access to this class of resources. They will simply not be available at any price.

Consequently, I would expect consumable resources to give the nastiest price shocks: At the limit, prices can rise to infinity almost overnight. Reusable resources will never give this kind of price shock, as they can always be cannibalised from existing goods - which have a finite (if perhaps uncomfortably high) price.

Renewable raw materials are something of a combination: If a sound policy of conservation is adopted, they will give price shocks similar to those of reusable resources. Whereas if unsound policies are adopted, they will convert into consumables, with all the resulting potential for disastrous price shocks.

An aside
A logical extrapolation would be to the concept of an "overfull world," in which the access to raw materials becomes the only limiting factor to the production of goods (this is substantially what Krugman discusses here (via), although he does not say so in quite so many words). I am convinced that most of the preceding discussion will readily carry over into the overfull world.

- Jake

1Some politicians and pundits continue to labour under the delusion that "our way of life is not negotiable." One could point out that the laws of nature are not proposing to "negotiate" on the subject of resource scarcity, any more than the laws of nature will pause to "negotiate" your rate of descent from a very tall building if, midway down, you regret jumping off the roof (nor - and more to the point - will the laws of nature "negotiate" on the subject of your abrupt cessation of descent at the bottom of the building).

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... no discussion of the economics of a full world would be complete without mentioning the alternative to getting our shit together.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Aug 15th, 2009 at 05:16:14 PM EST
And here I always thought the alternative was ...


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Aug 15th, 2009 at 09:06:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The history of Bonk was built upon these three periods (+ one more).

  • Renewables - eventually overused to the pint of extinction (Baltic anchovy)
  • Reusables - finally made un-usables (Defunctioned machinery)
  • Consumables - turning into re-consumables - Repacking*.

The last period of corporate history, never completed, but seriously begun, was exploration of the noosphere, where human brains are the renewables, and the 3 part process begins again.

*Repacking is a Bonk Business innovation, in which mediocre products are purchased retail or in bulk, have their old etiquettes or packaging removed, and are Repacked with new Bonk labels and sold at a premium, ie with a huge mark-up. We called this 'The Power of the Label'. Expectations of a product will influence eventual enjoyment of the product.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Aug 16th, 2009 at 12:50:53 PM EST
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The idea of repackaging is actually not a joke. Danish consumer electronics brand B&O excels at selling stylish designer electronics - but under the hood, a lot of it is precisely the same thing as the no-name brands.

Similar games go on with many kinds of pre-packaged foods: The brand-name food can easily cost five or six times as much as the no-name brand does... even when it comes out of precisely the same machine, in precisely the same UniLever factory, using precisely the same settings and inputs.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Aug 16th, 2009 at 03:28:03 PM EST
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In a sponsor campaign with Silja Lines (cross Baltic ferries), we put a Bonk exhibition on board. As part of that (Bonk menu in the gourmet restaurant etc),  we also ordered a decent wine from France, that was repackaged as Chateau Bonk. We shipped them the etiquettes. We sold 14 pallets of that onboard in the duty free in a week. I've heard that people are still hoarding them. Not very advisable when we also sold a sticker kit, so that anybody could Repack their own Bonk bottle of wine - if they could be bothered to soak it to remove the old label.

That's why the gluemeisters at the Bonk Repacking Division were so valued ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Aug 16th, 2009 at 03:42:56 PM EST
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See also ThatBritGuy's Economics Pt 1 - Marketing for Dummies.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 16th, 2009 at 03:51:00 PM EST
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Marketing 101 - don't sell objects, seduce with promised rare experiences.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Aug 16th, 2009 at 07:25:58 PM EST
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hah, a pearl worthy of dan draper!

(madmen reference)

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Aug 18th, 2009 at 05:56:20 AM EST
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Nokia has been largely perceived as a repacker in the past, which is why it has now rebranded itself as a software company, concealing 3 divisions: a technical research division that looks ahead,  a marketing division that looks ahead and feeds back into the tech division, and a global logistics aggregator division. The network hardware business (where the real money was for many years) was spun off into a joint venture with Siemens. I've lost contact with that side - I don't know how it's doing. They were trying to fuse two organizations with totally different business structures and methods. That never seemed an easy task at the time it happened.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Aug 16th, 2009 at 03:55:07 PM EST
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I think that is a little unfair to B&O, who do a great job of selecting the proper sub-products and packaging them into an artistically designed whole. It is not an easy task to do that and then to support it, but by doing so they are able to give support to their clients which the majority of their clients couldn't get if they put their own package together...if they could.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Tue Aug 18th, 2009 at 04:29:45 AM EST
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and a excellent suggestion on how to structure the debate.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Aug 16th, 2009 at 12:22:53 PM EST
Feel free to steal it.

The empty world/full world/overfull world distinction is a terminology I swiped from Kim Stanley Robinson's Green Mars, but the distinction between different kinds of raw materials is my own.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Aug 16th, 2009 at 03:30:08 PM EST
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Very good diary, Jake!

I think we should add what the "empty world" model led to in terms of waste (mis)management and pollution: in this model, we could throw away all the stuff we wanted to get rid of without bothering about the consequences, and we did.

Now, in a "full world", we have to take these "externalities" into account because of their impact on our lives and  on the renewable resources (fish stock, for example). So waste and pollution are also limiting factors in this economy.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Sun Aug 16th, 2009 at 01:02:01 PM EST
Pollution is not treated separately here, because it is simply raw materials with the opposite sign convention: Pollution is the consumption of the raw materials known as "clean air," "available land," "clean water," etc. And those raw materials usually fall into one of the categories above.

Although it may be necessary to break each of the preceding distinctions further down: "Clean air," for example, can mean air without sulfuric acid (which is renewable - sulfuric acid washes out) or air without greenhouse gas pollutants (which is largely consumable).

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Aug 16th, 2009 at 03:29:11 PM EST
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Thank you for formulating this so clearly, I have been thinking about an accesible presentation of similar materila but not being able to find such a distinct presentation.

It does give me an opportunity to throw in an historical interpretation of the 70ies stagflation.

As it was presented to me in school the 70ies stagflation (high inflation, high unemployment, low economic growth) killed of the belief not only in the Philips curve but in Keynesian economics in general.

As wikipedia puts it

In the 1970s, many countries experienced high levels of both inflation and unemployment also known as stagflation. Theories based on the Phillips curve suggested that this could not happen, and the curve came under concerted attack from a group of economists headed by Milton Friedman--arguing that the demonstrable failure of the relationship demanded a return to non-interventionist, free market policies. The idea that there was one simple, predictable, and persistent relationship between inflation and unemployment was, at least, questioned.

This is essentially a clash between two theories of empty world economics. From a full-world economics theory we have the US peak oil in 1970 and the increase in oil price.

Now, I am not saying that this has not been observed before. Browsing wikipedia I found for example:

Stagflation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the resource scarcity scenario (Zinam 1982), stagflation results when economic growth is inhibited by a restricted supply of raw materials.[14][15] That is, when the actual or relative supply of basic materials (fossil fuels (energy), minerals, agricultural land in production, timber, etc.) decreases and/or cannot be increased fast enough in response to rising or continuing demand. The resource shortage may be a real physical shortage or a relative scarcity due to factors such as taxes or bad monetary policy which have affected the "cost" or availability of raw materials.

Stagflation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Under this set of theories, the solution to stagflation is to restore the supply of materials. In the case of a physical scarcity, stagflation is mitigated either by finding a replacement for the missing resources or by developing ways to increase economic productivity and energy efficiency so that more output is produced with less input. For example, in the late 1970s and early 1980s, the scarcity of oil was relieved by increases in both energy efficiency and global oil production. This factor, along with adjustments in monetary policies, helped end stagflation.

What changes are the conclusion. Seeing that the stagflation depended on less extraction of a consumable resource, we can conclude that increasing the rate of extraction or replacing it with another resource (for example gas) only creates a bigger bust down the line. The only way of leaving that path is to stop using the consumable resource in favour of a renewable resource (say wind-power) that can be extracted using reusable resources.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Aug 16th, 2009 at 01:52:53 PM EST
A key thing to note is that the definitions of inflation are bound up with the empty world "view." I've tried to diary about this a couple of times and never hit "post" because it's exceedingly hard to express because inflation is a circularly defined thing, but some of the oddities about inflation:

  1. Overemphasis on wage inflation.
  2. Failure to account for asset inflation.

definitely derive from an "empty world" set of assumptions.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Aug 19th, 2009 at 05:13:35 AM EST
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Two years ago I asked How is inflation calculated? and got some very good answers.

The general conclusion I took with me is that inflation is defined differently by different actors.

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Aug 19th, 2009 at 03:20:22 PM EST
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In the latter half of the 20th century, this changed radically: Industrial production had by then increased to the point where the availability of raw materials had become a point of crucial importance. The iconic resource crisis (although this went largely unrecognised at the time) was probably the oil shock following the peak of the Texas oil production.

Yes, though this was more like the last quarter. I tried to find some data on resource prices, but apparently the historical time series are somewhat slippery because the trend they will show depends to a high degree on the deflator (i.e. inflation measure) used.

At least, this is stated by a Swedish Professor called Svedberg. He argues that the inflation indices have been too high, whereas a lot of other people have argued that the changes recently introduced with regard to hedonic pricing have made the indices too low, so I am just passing that along.

Svedberg does have an interesting table in one of his lectures (pdf) which shows that the use of metals and oil has grown at a slower rate than overall economic production since the 1970s. This strongly points to their relative scarcity. With regard to metals, I would guess that recycling rates have gone up a lot, and that the figures shown here are of overall inputs, not extraction.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Aug 16th, 2009 at 06:30:32 PM EST
Or alternatively this just reflects the development of the non tangible economy.

Particularly over the last 15-20 years, GDP growth has been driven by activities that consume little or no physical resources - information, banking, service sector etc.

by senilebiker on Tue Aug 18th, 2009 at 04:32:54 AM EST
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senilebiker:
activities that consume little or no physical resources - information, banking, service sector etc.

there's another side to that, though, because those 'activities' subsidise and finance the most destructive 'other' activities, whose additions to the GDP are rife with profits that will have to be paid for later, and steal from the commons.

obviously the tool of finance is not inherently the problem, ot Jerome would not have pulled off such a mighty achievement recently, but this tool is being so seriously misused right now, it has become such an accomplice to so much of what is wrong around us, and case like Jerome's are the exception.

great diary, Jake, very clear, organised, and accessible writing, thanks.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Aug 18th, 2009 at 05:54:43 AM EST
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melo:
service sector etc.
there's another side to that, though, because those 'activities' subsidise and finance the most destructive 'other' activities
I remind you that massage therapy is part of the 'service sector'.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 18th, 2009 at 05:57:39 AM EST
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ouch, haha

hit a nerve there, teach me to be more discrete about my clients...

besides you know quite well i rob from rub the rich to feed the poor, so there!

seriously tho', i do feel bad thinking how maybe i'm helping evil people feel good, so they can go forth and destroy better the next day, and yes it bothers me, as it should.

i guess for purity's sake i should establish a person's eco-credentials before selling my services, lol.

i did say a couple of things i probably shouldn't have though! (i generally don't attract clients like that, i was subbing in for a friend.)

those 'escort girls' of berlu are fully culpable in that they are selling energy to him. without those hits he he would have crumpled a long time ago.

information is expensive, because server farms use huge amounts of energy, banking is expensive because of dishonesty and bad faith.

massage? a renewable resource, an ever-expanding market, (though many unable to afford last year's prices), and i just heard from a friend who worked at a private villa in Nice (€180,000 a week rental), that the going rate fro a live-in massage therapist there in season is €2,000 euros a week!

still peanuts next to the bar bill, i bet. the cook bought one fish for €500 from his source.

funny old world...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Aug 18th, 2009 at 10:03:49 AM EST
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melo:
banking is expensive because of dishonesty and bad faith.
Jerome already dealt with this in his reply to your previous comment...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 18th, 2009 at 12:45:16 PM EST
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case like Jerome's are the exception

I'm not sure that's true. Most of the employees in the banking sector - even of the minority engaged in front office activities of wholesale banking (as opposed to overwhelmingly boring retail banking) are engaged in mundane and necessary tasks. The number of people engaged in trading and speculative investment activities is not that large - it's just that they are the most idolised, "sexy" and talked about, and of course that they capture disproportionate fractions of bank income.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 18th, 2009 at 11:15:35 AM EST
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This is true, having a measure of industrial output to compare would be better. Still, the difference is striking enough to say that until 1971 energy resources and other resources were so abundant that any efficiency in their use was unnecessary, whereas the picture changed afterwards.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Aug 18th, 2009 at 07:10:49 AM EST
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senilebiker:
Particularly over the last 15-20 years, GDP growth has been driven by activities that consume little or no physical resources - information, banking, service sector etc.
That has to be a good thing, since it shows that "growth" is possible without increased resource use precisely because the monetary value of intangible services is included in our measure of activity.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 18th, 2009 at 07:19:11 AM EST
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Does that include the monetary value of bubbles, Ponzi schemes, and other market manipulations?

As usual, there has to be - and there isn't - a distinction between intangible value creation, and intangible thievery and mendacious accounting.

And even the service sector has significant infrastructure costs. It would be interesting to compare the energy and raw material costs needed to produce and run a server and a car.

I suspect the total resource bill would be closer than many people realise.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 18th, 2009 at 07:28:20 AM EST
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Towards full-world economics
1Some politicians and pundits continue to labour under the delusion that "our way of life is not negotiable." One could point out that the laws of nature are not proposing to "negotiate" on the subject of resource scarcity, any more than the laws of nature will pause to "negotiate" your rate of descent from a very tall building if, midway down, you regret jumping off the roof (nor - and more to the point - will the laws of nature "negotiate" on the subject of your abrupt cessation of descent at the bottom of the building).
I am reminded of Richard Feynman´s
For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled.


En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 18th, 2009 at 04:23:56 AM EST
Of course. This is called being reality-based.

Homo Oeconomicus is not reality-based, by definition. The whole point of economic activity is to cheat the restrictions of reality and to maximise personal resource use. Excessive resource consumption and freedom from legal, moral and physical consequences is the entire point of wealth capture.

It's the most important sacrament of the capitalist religion. So in fact - and in reality - capitalism is rooted in the principle that the restrictions of physical and moral reality must only apply to the minimum possible extent to those individuals who define themselves as successful.

As long as you can buy something, you should be able to buy it, irrespective of the consequences.

As long as you can exploit something or someone, you should be able to exploit them.

It's incredibly stupid and brutal. But it's also the dominant Washington and Wall St religion.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 18th, 2009 at 07:39:58 AM EST
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ThatBritGuy:
It's incredibly stupid and brutal. But it's also the dominant Washington and Wall St religion.

it's also primitive and barbaric, as inhuman as ancient hegemonies like the aztecs, to whom symbols also trumped the value of human life.

'evil' is not too strong a word, imo.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Aug 18th, 2009 at 08:31:05 AM EST
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En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 20th, 2009 at 05:00:43 AM EST
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Great argument. Well made. Two thumbs up from me.
by joelado on Tue Aug 18th, 2009 at 11:33:54 AM EST
One can only imagine, what kind of speculative bonanza this "overfull" would (will) be. We would not only have housing bubbles, but also all kinds of resource bubbles. That have a direct effect on real economy. A rentier paradise.
by kjr63 on Wed Aug 19th, 2009 at 09:59:07 AM EST


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