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by IdiotSavant Sat Apr 17th, 2010 at 04:05:56 PM EST
Today UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown stepped out of the door of Downing Street and called an election for May 6th.
Talk about it here.
bumped by afew
(And the more important question: why do UKanians tolerate an electoral system which is so blatantly unfair?)
They are the only ones who can change the system. They are the ones who most benefit from the status quo. Guess what ... ? keep to the Fen Causeway
As in the Swiss example when formerly dominant parties are uncertain about the future they may become open to change.
Politicians may like the system that elected them, but it is not impossible for change to take place if enough political actors see it as in their interests.
It is no accident that most European democracies adopted proportional representation after the First World War, when all the old political certainties had disappeared and no party could be certain of its future prospects.
It was quite possible that the UK could have moved to a new electoral system in 1918. The two Houses of the UK Parliament agreed there should be some change, but could not agree about the mix between the Alternative Vote (in single member constituencies) and the Single Transferable Vote (in multi member constituencies). The compromise, to ensure the extension of the franchise passed before the end of the First World War and the resumption of peace time politics, was to leave the traditional first past the post electoral system unchanged.
The moment for change passed and UK politics re-froze. Are we about to see a new chance of change? Clearly not if the Labour and Conservative parties can help it, but our electoral system is one of the things that are broken about our society.
Oh and "measures to strengthen families" taken from his election literature hardly sound the most progressive thing in the world. Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
Oh and "measures to strengthen families" taken from his election literature hardly sound the most progressive thing in the world.
well it could be, but we all know it's meaningless or pathetically insulting, like three quid a week for nappies.
he might as well have said hfvbtouwfyvboau.
serious progressive policies can't help but benefit families, duh.
it's a dogwhistle agin teh gayz or something equally charming.
a useless methane burp, and we worry about the cows... 'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
The reality is that the Ashcroft money is pouring into the marginals... and that will probably work...
however, I remain pessimistic that there will ever be a change to the voting system. both major parties have too much vested interest in keeping the system as it is.
Of course, the tories want to leverage their dominance of england by reducing the number of scottish and welsh constituencies, for which there is a compelling argument (fewer electors per constituency in Scotland, plus they have their own parliament = massive over-representation). That will also wreck labour's chances in the future, which I'm sure the tories would see as a definite plus point. Sadly the labour party are far too stupid to see such a car crash coming and agitate seriously for a more democratic electoral system from a position of strength (ie they've already blown it). Please don't tell me about Brown's alleged conversion to the idea back in February, that was merely sad and desperate. the Labour party always talk electoral reform when they're weak and then ignore it when they're strong. I would never vote for them in the expectation of them supporting it, rather I'd be shocked and suspicious if they did. keep to the Fen Causeway
People of my generation were still brainwashed in schools with propaganda about PR leading to X governments in Y months in Italy and lots of blathering about corruption. I think the expenses scandal has led to greater scepticism of the value of FPTP... and a hung parliament can continue the process.
I'm not saying that we'll get change now, that depends too much on the detail of the voting results, but it can start to become a serious option (as opposed to that thing the LibDems have to be ashamed about bringing up.)
We had the same shit in New Zealand. 15 years of stable government (well, barring Winston Peters, but even he didn't upset things too much - National still went full-term) has very much proved them wrong.
Instability is a product of political culture. And voters can change that culture by de-electing those who do not play along. If the UK got PR, its politicians would have to unlearn the bad habits of FPP, and learn instead to consult, negotiate and compromise. They won't like that - but the choice shouldn't be up to them, it should be up to the people. They dance to our tune, not the other way round!
Will it be hard? Certainly. But I think the electorate is more ready than it ever has been.
wouldn't that be splendid.
if only the lib dems had more forceful leadership, and policies that really stood out as forward-thinking.
right now they should be surging with the mutual distrust of the big boyz and their cozy whitehall network, but they seem detached, amiably collegial and lacking in fire in the belly.
when you see the demican logam in the usa, it makes you appreciate what a strange miracle it's been to have a third party so many years with a not insignificant following, but they seem to unstrenuously avoid ever being significant, indeed any more than symbolic.
the time would be right for new narrative, but they seem like they're watching bucolic cricket on the green, instead of engaging and using this historical moment to affirm a vision that revealed gordo for the centre right newlab apparatchik he is, and cameron for the airbrushed media creation he is.
clegg's not stupid, he has a clue, why doesn't come out and describe reality to an electorate that has been spun so long it doesn't believe a word the tweedle men are saying?
that's all it would take... 'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
Since the 1920s the UK electoral system has relegated the third force to minor party status. Under any proportional system the party would have been a key part of the political system.
The Labour/Conservative two party system has been under serious strain since the general elections of 1974. Superficially, if you just look at how many MPs each party wins, nothing much has changed. However, as time has passed, the number of voters not supporting either major party has tended to gradually increase. If this trend continues eventually we will reach a tipping point, when the majority manufacturing properties of first past the post elections can no longer support the weight of the two party structure.
It is an open question whether unexpectedly large electoral changes happen this time, or if the current election is just a further stage in the decay of the old party system.
The PM's party usually achieves some domination of the political agenda, but usually too, the results turn out to be marginal. Consensus tends to knock the stuffing out of anything that smacks of being ideological.
In the same way as the US Constitution sets out to instill a self-governing balance between the branches of government, so the consensus system limits excesses.
I think also that the UK could be politically transformed by a hung parliament. I hope it happens. You can't be me, I'm taken
Canada has had quite a few minority federal governments during the past 50 years, without deciding to have coalitions or change the electoral system.
1 Digital Economy Bill debate
THE's general election survey shows the Lib Dems taking an early lead. John Morgan writes As the nation prepares for a general election on 6 May, a Times Higher Education poll suggests that the Liberal Democrats may be winning the battle for the academy's votes.In our voteHE online survey, 40 per cent of respondents say that they intend to vote Lib Dem, putting Nick Clegg's party ahead of Labour (33 per cent) and the Conservatives (15 per cent).Other options, including not voting, are supported by 11 per cent of respondents.The Lib Dems won even more support when readers were asked which party's higher education policies were best. Nearly half (49 per cent) went for the Lib Dems, 26 per cent for Labour and 14 per cent for the Tories.
THE's general election survey shows the Lib Dems taking an early lead. John Morgan writes
As the nation prepares for a general election on 6 May, a Times Higher Education poll suggests that the Liberal Democrats may be winning the battle for the academy's votes.
In our voteHE online survey, 40 per cent of respondents say that they intend to vote Lib Dem, putting Nick Clegg's party ahead of Labour (33 per cent) and the Conservatives (15 per cent).
Other options, including not voting, are supported by 11 per cent of respondents.
The Lib Dems won even more support when readers were asked which party's higher education policies were best. Nearly half (49 per cent) went for the Lib Dems, 26 per cent for Labour and 14 per cent for the Tories.
Then again, for the Lib Dems that actually is news.
Here's a curious thing. When the Tories were giving away few details about their policies a while back, and we all clammered for them to come clean, they were over the hill and far away in the polls. Then when the recession hit, they came up with the austerity plan, when they admitted (finally) that things would be tough and cuts would have to be made. It culminated in the most downbeat and tough speech made by a shadow Chancellor for some time. What happened? The polls narrowed. We knew more, and we didn't like it. And Labour used it to show the Tories were a nasty lot, intent on wrecking the recovery. Unsurprisingly, this didn't go unnoticed by the Tory leadership. What was the result? An optimistic promise to voters - they would cancel most of Labour's planned national insurance rise. A tax cut. Hurrah. One problem - the pledge has left them with a major credibility gap. Already struggling to explain their determination to cut faster and deeper than Labour, they now had to find an additional £6bn - which they have done through claiming to find more of those wonderful things, efficiency savings.
When the Tories were giving away few details about their policies a while back, and we all clammered for them to come clean, they were over the hill and far away in the poll
i think that was reflex blame the present leader for the meltdown mostly.
once the focus started on dave, his phoniness became readily transparent.
and gordo waffles on like the titanic captain... 'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
I'm an iPhone app developer. I'm interested in new apps that do interesting things. I also have an interest in data privacy. So when I heard that the Conservative Party had launched an app with a canvassing feature, I thought I should try it out. Call A Friend Here's how it works. Imagine that a Conservative voter - let's call him Peter - wants to campaign on behalf of the Conservative Party. He installs their app, and taps the "Call a friend" button. He sees some brief instructions, and taps "Continue".
I'm an iPhone app developer. I'm interested in new apps that do interesting things. I also have an interest in data privacy. So when I heard that the Conservative Party had launched an app with a canvassing feature, I thought I should try it out.
Call A Friend
Here's how it works. Imagine that a Conservative voter - let's call him Peter - wants to campaign on behalf of the Conservative Party. He installs their app, and taps the "Call a friend" button. He sees some brief instructions, and taps "Continue".
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This Much I Know - » The Conservative iPhone app and the DPA
Consent I read more. In order to process someone's personal data, you must meet at least one of several conditions. For this app, it looks as though the relevant condition is that Bob has given "consent to the processing". However, the app doesn't ask Bob for his permission at all, let alone check whether he has given his consent. The app doesn't even ask Peter if consent was given, and doesn't provide any guidance as to how Peter should approach Bob when he calls. By the looks of it, it is entirely Peter's choice as to whether he even mentions the fact that Bob's data will be sent on. Summary So what does this all mean? Well, if my understanding of the DPA is correct: It's possible that personal data is being stored or processed by the Conservative Party, without them having any contact with the person whose data is being processed There is no verification that the data is provided with the consent of the person that data refers to The app doesn't give a clear indication of what the data will be used for Neither the app nor its supporting web sites contain a privacy notice describing how the data may be stored and used I should stress that I don't know if or how the Conservative Party are storing or processing the data from these emails (although I have contacted them to find out, and will post again when I hear back). I would be very grateful if anyone with experience of the Data Protection Act could confirm if my reading of the Act is correct.
Consent
I read more. In order to process someone's personal data, you must meet at least one of several conditions. For this app, it looks as though the relevant condition is that Bob has given "consent to the processing".
However, the app doesn't ask Bob for his permission at all, let alone check whether he has given his consent. The app doesn't even ask Peter if consent was given, and doesn't provide any guidance as to how Peter should approach Bob when he calls. By the looks of it, it is entirely Peter's choice as to whether he even mentions the fact that Bob's data will be sent on.
Summary
So what does this all mean? Well, if my understanding of the DPA is correct:
I should stress that I don't know if or how the Conservative Party are storing or processing the data from these emails (although I have contacted them to find out, and will post again when I hear back). I would be very grateful if anyone with experience of the Data Protection Act could confirm if my reading of the Act is correct.
Ooooops Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I woke this morning with a palpable sense of relief that it had all been a dream. A very long, exceedingly dull yet febrile dream. But I see with dismay that yes, the general election really is all happening... Only the British can combine the raw materials of a Queen, a prime minister, an election and a 775-room palace and from them create an occasion with all the pomp-soaked drama of a man clocking in and out of a car park.
I woke this morning with a palpable sense of relief that it had all been a dream. A very long, exceedingly dull yet febrile dream. But I see with dismay that yes, the general election really is all happening...
Only the British can combine the raw materials of a Queen, a prime minister, an election and a 775-room palace and from them create an occasion with all the pomp-soaked drama of a man clocking in and out of a car park.
A UKIP parliamentary candidate has been reinstated after posting racist remarks on a social care website.Paul Wiffen, who is campaigning to be MP for Ilford South in east London, responded to a criticism of the party on the Community Care site. The remarks focused on Muslims, Romanian Gypsies and African and Caribbean communities. UKIP said he had been suspended but, following his apology and an inquiry, he was allowed back into the party. The comment was made in response to a post by Community Care's Outside Left blogger on asylum.
A UKIP parliamentary candidate has been reinstated after posting racist remarks on a social care website.
Paul Wiffen, who is campaigning to be MP for Ilford South in east London, responded to a criticism of the party on the Community Care site.
The remarks focused on Muslims, Romanian Gypsies and African and Caribbean communities.
UKIP said he had been suspended but, following his apology and an inquiry, he was allowed back into the party.
The comment was made in response to a post by Community Care's Outside Left blogger on asylum.
In the 2005 election, more than half of all voters voted against their winning MP. Their votes were simply thrown away. In the UK, the only voters with any real power to choose the government are those who live in marginal constituencies. Less than 20% of constituencies can be considered marginal. The rest of us have little or no power to influence the outcome of the election. In fact, statistical analysis by the nef (the new economics foundation) shows that one person in the UK does not have one vote...
In the 2005 election, more than half of all voters voted against their winning MP.
Their votes were simply thrown away.
In the UK, the only voters with any real power to choose the government are those who live in marginal constituencies.
Less than 20% of constituencies can be considered marginal.
The rest of us have little or no power to influence the outcome of the election.
In fact, statistical analysis by the nef (the new economics foundation) shows that one person in the UK does not have one vote...
Swings of 150,000 people spread across 50 constituencies can swing an election, that's about 0.3% of the electorate. keep to the Fen Causeway
Which is one of the reasons we got rid of it. The unfairness was there for everyone to see. Even then, it took the best part of a decade to convince the politicians.
A fun little questionaire, obviously heavily skewed towards telegraph type issues. But I came out as practically a dead heat for Green and Lib Dem with labour a distant third. keep to the Fen Causeway
David Cameron will tomorrow promise to deliver the most extensive devolution of power in a generation when he declares that a Conservative government would hand people "direct control" over how they are governed nationally and locally. In a direct invitation to voters to join him in governing Britain, the Tory leader will promise in his election manifesto to offer California-style referendums on any local issue if residents can win the support of 5% of the population. Adopting historic language from the Labour movement about the "collective strength" of society, Cameron will also pledge to let people "be your own boss" as public sector workers are allowed to assume ownership of the services they provide.
In a direct invitation to voters to join him in governing Britain, the Tory leader will promise in his election manifesto to offer California-style referendums on any local issue if residents can win the support of 5% of the population.
Adopting historic language from the Labour movement about the "collective strength" of society, Cameron will also pledge to let people "be your own boss" as public sector workers are allowed to assume ownership of the services they provide.
Because when you think competent governance, you think Gullyvornyah.
"Could you sign this petition to make earthquakes illegal? They're really starting to bother me." Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
Here in California, where there are no spending limits of any kind for initiative campaigns, the combination of huge sums of money and the right-wing veto enshrined in the requirement to have a 2/3rds vote to approve a tax increase have produced not only a broken initiative process, but a broken state government.
This seems a ploy by Cameron to move more decision-making to places and means where the Tories have more control, but I'd be curious to hear what those with more familiarity with the situation have to say about it. And the world will live as one
And it wasn't just David Cameron in the spotlight today as the UK Independence Party also published their manifesto so FactCheck duly got to work: The analysis "EU and human rights legislation means we cannot even expel foreign criminals if they come from another EU country."
And it wasn't just David Cameron in the spotlight today as the UK Independence Party also published their manifesto so FactCheck duly got to work:
The analysis "EU and human rights legislation means we cannot even expel foreign criminals if they come from another EU country."
The main points of the Tory plan for re-election as unveiled by David Cameron in London today
FactCheck thought we had a hard day yesterday working on the Labour Manifesto but when 120 pages of the Conservative manifesto dropped in our inboxes we stopped what we were doing and got to work.
Guardian correspondents explain the key points in the policies Gordon Brown hopes will help him return to Downing Street
So, away from the sub-CBeebies condescension of New Labour's manifesto cartoons, what do we have? It won't bother enough (or indeed many at all) to make any difference whatsoever but one of the chapters in the New Labour manifesto for the 2010 General Election is entitled `Crime and immigration'. They put crime and immigration under the same heading. Like love and marriage. People can protest that the chapter merely covers the activities of the Home Office. The fact is, however, that this government has worked hard at conflating immigration with criminality. As New Labour election supremo Douglas Alexander put, it in a frankly piss-poor and weaselly answer when asked about it on Radio 4's PM yesterday, `there's a common theme'. This is particularly the case when it comes to asylum seekers or, as we used to call them in a more generous age, refugees. How do we hate them? Let me count the ways.
So, away from the sub-CBeebies condescension of New Labour's manifesto cartoons, what do we have?
It won't bother enough (or indeed many at all) to make any difference whatsoever but one of the chapters in the New Labour manifesto for the 2010 General Election is entitled `Crime and immigration'. They put crime and immigration under the same heading. Like love and marriage.
People can protest that the chapter merely covers the activities of the Home Office. The fact is, however, that this government has worked hard at conflating immigration with criminality. As New Labour election supremo Douglas Alexander put, it in a frankly piss-poor and weaselly answer when asked about it on Radio 4's PM yesterday, `there's a common theme'. This is particularly the case when it comes to asylum seekers or, as we used to call them in a more generous age, refugees. How do we hate them? Let me count the ways.
The Conservatives have also signalled - although there was no reference to this in the manifesto - that they would prefer to see deficit reduction measures split 4:1 between spending cuts and tax increases, rather than the 2:1 split implied by the Government's plans. If they aim for the same overall tightening of 4.8% of national income or £70 billion in today's terms as the Government, then a 4:1 split would imply an eventual spending cut of around 3.8% of national income (£56 billion) and a tax increase of around 1.0% of national income (£14 billion). If the Government was to stick with a 2:1 ratio throughout its planned tightening, it would be looking for eventual spending cuts of 3.2% of national income (£47 billion) and tax increases of 1.6% of national income (£23 billion).The tax increases that the Government has already announced will deliver about 1.2% of national income (£17 billion) in the medium term, suggesting that they might need to announce further tax increases worth around 0.4% of national income (£6 billion). Of the 3.2% of national income spending cut (£47 billion) they need, their plans to 'protect' (but shrink as a share of national income) non-investment spending on the NHS and part of the education budget, offset by a rise in the share of national income spent on overseas aid, would get them only a small part of the way there. We would have to wait for a Labour Spending Review to see where much of the rest fell.
The Conservatives have also signalled - although there was no reference to this in the manifesto - that they would prefer to see deficit reduction measures split 4:1 between spending cuts and tax increases, rather than the 2:1 split implied by the Government's plans. If they aim for the same overall tightening of 4.8% of national income or £70 billion in today's terms as the Government, then a 4:1 split would imply an eventual spending cut of around 3.8% of national income (£56 billion) and a tax increase of around 1.0% of national income (£14 billion). If the Government was to stick with a 2:1 ratio throughout its planned tightening, it would be looking for eventual spending cuts of 3.2% of national income (£47 billion) and tax increases of 1.6% of national income (£23 billion).
The tax increases that the Government has already announced will deliver about 1.2% of national income (£17 billion) in the medium term, suggesting that they might need to announce further tax increases worth around 0.4% of national income (£6 billion). Of the 3.2% of national income spending cut (£47 billion) they need, their plans to 'protect' (but shrink as a share of national income) non-investment spending on the NHS and part of the education budget, offset by a rise in the share of national income spent on overseas aid, would get them only a small part of the way there. We would have to wait for a Labour Spending Review to see where much of the rest fell.
,Election non-news - where's the deabte on the war? Afghanistan? our people, their people dying but no mention, no leadership hereAll this as all reporting with British forces is banned during the election -- ForeignOffice/ Mod inspired censorship...Which helps no end with the non-debate going on here as they appear in their buses, power stations, factories (delete as applicable)..>No . I amnot kidding. Mod - possibloy wint Foreign Offcie connivance, have completely banned Afghan embeds during the election MoD spinner emailed me to say when this was put to the media they didn't complain much. So I asked around.Journos told me people went ballistic. Seems the MoD spinner was, well, just spinning, after all.They didn't ban war reporting at end of WW2 election - but then again look at what happened to Churchill.
All this as all reporting with British forces is banned during the election -- ForeignOffice/ Mod inspired censorship...
Which helps no end with the non-debate going on here as they appear in their buses, power stations, factories (delete as applicable)..>
No . I amnot kidding. Mod - possibloy wint Foreign Offcie connivance, have completely banned Afghan embeds during the election
MoD spinner emailed me to say when this was put to the media they didn't complain much. So I asked around.
Journos told me people went ballistic. Seems the MoD spinner was, well, just spinning, after all.
They didn't ban war reporting at end of WW2 election - but then again look at what happened to Churchill.
(properly ordered and unpicked) Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
might as well stay at home and browse wikileaks keep to the Fen Causeway
Intersting video presentation (1:37). He is suspecting that Cameron is getting good at the presentation thing. keep to the Fen Causeway
Is a lot less sure
Would I like to join the government? I'd love to Dave, but I'm afraid I don't have time. ...- and I know that all these things take time, lots of time. There are regular evening meetings to attend, documents to read, publicity to prepare. And the internal politics of most small organisations make Westminster look like a playgroup. This seems to me the biggest and least thought through problem with the Conservative's Big Society. Modern life is so busy,... My humble experience at local level has taught me two things: everyone wants a say in how an organisation is run. And very few people are prepared to give up their precious time to help.
This seems to me the biggest and least thought through problem with the Conservative's Big Society. Modern life is so busy,...
My humble experience at local level has taught me two things: everyone wants a say in how an organisation is run. And very few people are prepared to give up their precious time to help.
The Liberal Democrats angrily attacked David Cameron for complaining about the detailed terms for the debate which his own officials had been instrumental in drawing up. The Tory leader expressed concern that the tightly-controlled format would hamper free-flowing discussion and lead to a ''slow and sluggish'' programme which would leave viewers disappointed. However the Lib Dem head of general election communications, Johnny Oates, said the Conservative negotiating team had actively sought to make the rules more restrictive. ''I think that if he had an issue about the rules being too restrictive, he should have sent a different negotiating team with a different negotiating brief,'' he told BBC Radio 4's The World at One.
The Liberal Democrats angrily attacked David Cameron for complaining about the detailed terms for the debate which his own officials had been instrumental in drawing up.
The Tory leader expressed concern that the tightly-controlled format would hamper free-flowing discussion and lead to a ''slow and sluggish'' programme which would leave viewers disappointed.
However the Lib Dem head of general election communications, Johnny Oates, said the Conservative negotiating team had actively sought to make the rules more restrictive.
''I think that if he had an issue about the rules being too restrictive, he should have sent a different negotiating team with a different negotiating brief,'' he told BBC Radio 4's The World at One.
There's no getting around this: Eddie Izzard's Party Political Broadcast for the Labour Party is masterly. I know, I know. Who cares what a celebrity thinks? But he actually deals with that point in the broadcast, pointing out he's been a Labour Party member since the mid-90s - he then goes on to diffuse the issue by making a joke about it. The whole thing is full of jokes, in fact -- good jokes, funny jokes. And it's the blend of humour and seriousness that makes it so effective.
And all I could think (cattily) was, "you were a lot funnier when you wore a frock". keep to the Fen Causeway
Now he's all hi-res, polished and more predictable. It's easier to be passive.
Sadly so many brilliant comedians don't live too long. You can't be me, I'm taken
If Google did politics, it might be something like the third floor of Millbank Tower. Behind two sets of security, in the offices where New Labour's 1997 victory was won, 300 Conservatives are now doing their best to make David Cameron prime minister. The mood is young, keen and informal; lots of daylight, lots of white paint and rows of computers and screens. It feels like the kind of place where everyone has had a gap year and everyone might buy an iPad, the optimistic end of the digital age.
Wonder how many of your staff understand the "Don't be evil" concept? Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
Reason being, if you're with Brown now, I think you're probably going to be with Brown at the election unless Clegg miraculously generates enough to support to form a coalition government in a hung parliament (even under the miracle scenario, I can't imagine the LDs with a majority). Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
The Tories in hopeless districts vote LD to keep Labour out and Labour votes LD in hopeless districts to keep the Tories out and ....
LD majority.
(You read it here, first.) She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Besides - I don't see a great deal of difference between the relevant party positions. There's the usual leaky bucketload of rhetoric, but it's frightening how closely the parties agree about almost everything.
It's not as if anyone is proposing something radical, like representative democracy.
Cameron's pitch is just a cynical attempt to sell government off to his rich wobbly chums, as he well knows.
What? The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
it's frightening how closely the parties agree about almost everything. It's not as if anyone is proposing something radical, like representative democracy.
it's frightening how closely the parties agree about almost everything.
true dat.
daft old fart v. daft young squirt.
sewn up... The PTB has won, whichever janus face is on top.
at least this doesn't have to drag on 2 freaking years, like in the USA.
watching these shucksters is already making me feel liverish, and it's only just begun.
i guess covering them all with a thick layer of ash might help...
or giving clegg some arnie-type steroids. 'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
I went to a Hull police station the other day. They had five different police cars, and they were just about to buy a £73,000 Lexus. David Cameron, Leaders debate, 15 April 2010 Cathy Newman checks it out Politicians like to have a go at the police for spending too much time behind a desk and not enough time pounding the streets. But last night, PC Plod got it in the neck over his choice of wheels. During last night's TV debate, David Cameron suggested the fancy Lexus purchased by the police in Hull was a striking example of public sector waste. But was it anything of the sort?
I went to a Hull police station the other day. They had five different police cars, and they were just about to buy a £73,000 Lexus. David Cameron, Leaders debate, 15 April 2010
Cathy Newman checks it out Politicians like to have a go at the police for spending too much time behind a desk and not enough time pounding the streets. But last night, PC Plod got it in the neck over his choice of wheels.
During last night's TV debate, David Cameron suggested the fancy Lexus purchased by the police in Hull was a striking example of public sector waste. But was it anything of the sort?
The push-back on this could be amusing. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Oceania will fight the EastAsian hordes to protect Airstrip One. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
What did last night's election debate mean for British journalism and media? The thoughts of some of our regular bloggers are below. Please add your view in the comment box.
What did last night's election debate mean for British journalism and media?
The thoughts of some of our regular bloggers are below. Please add your view in the comment box.
Pundits, journalists and news reporters tried hard to talk in professional terms about David Cameron's poor showing in the Leaders Debate last night but some critics were slightly less subtle. ITV may this morning be wishing it had read the Tweets and Facebook updates it shared with the world a little more closely (if the video* doesn't play, there are some screengrabs beneath):
(ITV have copyright blocked the video, but the screengrabs are still there. Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
Brown doesn't have to respond to this cos it's not threatening his vote so he'll just stay wonky cos that's his comfort zone. It's cameron who'll have to come out swinging and I'm wondering what he;ll say. keep to the Fen Causeway
Brown should be happy by all of this, of course. As long as Cameron isn't getting a majority of seats, he's still got a shot to hold the office. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
It would be a mistake, not just for the reasons you suggest, but because Clegg isn't the wonk guy you can de-stabilize with the deep thoughts. He's the Blair smiley face who puts voters at ease (without the heart of evil). He'll just roll with the attacks, do the chicken noise and kung fu it by looking at the audience and saying "see we must be doing something right".
that's what all that naming people, looking them in the eye, walking up to them did. He made them part of the team. I bet that was all nicked from Clinton's debate with Bush 1. keep to the Fen Causeway
Nick Clegg definitely came out of last night oblivious that he'd done well. He thought he fluffed the first half
The leaders debates have renewed speculation about a hung parliament, so Channel 4 News thought it would be interesting to find out whether it was possible to vote for one. Independent political analyst Greg Callus reports. A general election resulting in a hung parliament (where no single party has an overall majority of seats) is not that common in recent times. In the 20th century, only the general elections of 1910, 1923, 1929 and February 1974 failed to give any party more than half the country's MPs. But 2010 seems like a potential candidate, if not least because since 1945 no government with a working majority has ever lost power to a different government with a working majority. Pundits and pollsters currently suggest a close finish again this year, and oddly, the public seem not to mind.
A general election resulting in a hung parliament (where no single party has an overall majority of seats) is not that common in recent times. In the 20th century, only the general elections of 1910, 1923, 1929 and February 1974 failed to give any party more than half the country's MPs.
But 2010 seems like a potential candidate, if not least because since 1945 no government with a working majority has ever lost power to a different government with a working majority. Pundits and pollsters currently suggest a close finish again this year, and oddly, the public seem not to mind.
Last week, I met a Jewish Chelsea supporter, who told me that paedo bikinis were making them think about emigrating.
Last week, I met a Dutch banker, who told me that paedo bikinis raped the next door's beagle.
Awesome. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
"Last week, I met a Lithuanian World War Two veteran, who told me that the Politically Correct brigade should be stopped before things get any worse."
Great! "Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
"Last week, I met a wheelchair-bound youth worker, who told me that paedophiles always go to the front of the housing queue."
I love it! "Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
"Last week, I met an old youth worker, who told me that the National Debt killed Diana."
"Last week, I met an African World War Two veteran, who told me that anti-capitalists should be banned from drinking in England and Wales."
Run for the border Helen!
I'll give you covering fire. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
It's a plot keep to the Fen Causeway
Last week, I met an African World War Two veteran, who told me that Polly Toynbee was to blame for the recession.
Heh! Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
"Last week, I met a Lithuanian cabin boy, who told me that 5 more years of Gordon Brown served in the Royal Navy for 30 years."
"Last week, I met a lesbian investment banker, who told me that the European Human Rights Act put them on benefits."
"Last week, I met a devout Muslim World War Two veteran, who told me that Gypsies were no substitute for proper married relationships."
Heh "Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
This one sounds true:
"Last week, I met a devout Muslim policeman, who told me that binge drinkers served in the Royal Navy for 30 years."
TORY leader David Cameron got his maths and his message wrong, says the Plymouth man referred to in this week's historic televised leaders debate. Speaking about immigration to an audience of nine million viewers, Mr Cameron said: "I was in Plymouth recently and a 40-year-old black man... said, 'I came here when I was six, I've served in the Royal Navy for 30 years. I'm incredibly proud of my country. But I'm so ashamed that we've had this out-of-control (immigration) system with people abusing it so badly'." The man referred to was Plymouth businessman Neal Forde, aged 51. He told The Herald that he was teased by his workmates yesterday morning. "I don't mind. At least he took 10 years off my age," said Mr Forde. "And he said I spent 30 years in the Navy. I was actually in for six years, as a marine engineer serving on HMS Intrepid and HMS Berwick."
TORY leader David Cameron got his maths and his message wrong, says the Plymouth man referred to in this week's historic televised leaders debate.
Speaking about immigration to an audience of nine million viewers, Mr Cameron said: "I was in Plymouth recently and a 40-year-old black man... said, 'I came here when I was six, I've served in the Royal Navy for 30 years. I'm incredibly proud of my country. But I'm so ashamed that we've had this out-of-control (immigration) system with people abusing it so badly'."
The man referred to was Plymouth businessman Neal Forde, aged 51.
He told The Herald that he was teased by his workmates yesterday morning.
"I don't mind. At least he took 10 years off my age," said Mr Forde.
"And he said I spent 30 years in the Navy. I was actually in for six years, as a marine engineer serving on HMS Intrepid and HMS Berwick."
The 40-year-old joined the navy no later than age 10? The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
Oh, wait, wrong century.
ComRes for S Mirror/Independent on Sunday
Con 31 -4, Lab 27 -2, LD 29 +8 Oth 13 -2. Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
ComRes for Sunday Mirror/Independent on Sunday tomorrow puts Lib Dems in second place:Conservative 31 (-4)Labour &nbs p; 27 (-2)Lib Dem &nbs p; 29 (+8)Others &nbs p; 13 (-2) Change since last ComRes poll, for Independent/ITV News 14 April. Change since ComRes for IoS/S Mirror 11 April: Con -8, Lab -5, LD +13, Others nc.Additional questions:
Such a difference I'm wondering if their Model has gone ping! on 'em. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
I understand Parliament is elected district by district - or whatever you call 'em - and the relation of national support to district support, especially to the marginal swing districts Helen has talking about, is tenuous. Further, it may very well be I don't understand UK election strategy and tactics. But ...
Jimminey. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Another great looser from this election seems to be FPTP. Even if the Lib Dems finish last they will probably have the political clout to demand PR as a condition of any support. And if they come 2nd or 1st but still have vastly fewer seats I think the public outcry would be so great that the government would have absolutely no choice but to put PR to a referendum.
that I don't know enough to evaluate. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
:-) She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
An LD surge hurts the tories more than labour. keep to the Fen Causeway
The reason Brown decided not to go in 2007 was because the polling in the key marginals was very poor. It was the first time they noticed the effect of Ashcroft's money. Money is a sign of Poverty - Culture Saying
LD 33 (+4) Con 32 (-1) Lab 26 (-3)
Lib-Dems still surging. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
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