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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:26:12 PM EST
EUobserver / EU's Kosovo mission struggles for credibility after smuggling incident

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - In a bid to boost its credibility, the EU's justice and police mission in Kosovo has started high-level corruption cases against local officials and fired 16 of its own gendarmes who were caught smuggling cigarettes and alcohol across the border.

"Our guiding principle is that no-one is above the law and we will continue to apply that," Eulex head of mission Yves de Kermabon told MEPs during a hearing on Thursday (3 June).

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:29:10 PM EST
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EUobserver / EP projects new confidence in Washington office
EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - From the brand-new European Parliament office in Washington, Polish national Piotr Nowina-Konopka is seeking to increase co-operation between the US and EU legislatures, moving from the current formulaic contacts to practical exchanges between the law-makers representing 800 million people between them.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:29:43 PM EST
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EUobserver / Dublin at forefront of EU-Israel tension, as lone Irish ship sails for Gaza

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - As an Irish ship carrying humanitarian aid continues to sail for Gaza, Ireland has found itself hurled to the forefront of tensions between Israel and the European Union.

On Wednesday (2 June), the Irish government warned Israel for a second time to let the boat, whose passengers count among their number five Irish nationals, including a former UN deputy secretary general and a Northern Irish Nobel peace prize laureate, carry on to its destination and deliver its cargo without hindrance.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:32:09 PM EST
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Released Gaza convoy activists arrive in Turkey | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 03.06.2010
Three planes carrying nearly 500 activists from the Gaza aid flotilla arrived in Istanbul early on Thursday, and were welcomed by a crowd of supporters, many of whom waved Palestinian flags and shouted anti-Israel slogans.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:46:49 PM EST
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France24 - Gaza activists get hero's welcome in Istanbul
Cheering crowds on Thursday welcomed the return of 466 Gaza flotilla activists detained in Israel after their convoy was intercepted in a deadly raid on Monday. The bodies of nine activists killed in the operation were also flown back.

The planes arrived later than originally scheduled, landing around 2am in Istanbul's Ataturk airport. FRANCE 24 correspondent Assia Shehab said the crowd of about 1,000 people, mostly family members of the repatriated activists, energetically waved Turkish and Palestinian flags

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:52:06 PM EST
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EUobserver / UN prosecutor still critical of Serbia and Croatia
A highly anticipated report by the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, Serge Brammertz, on Serbia's and Croatia's cooperation with the court appears less positive than both countries were expecting.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:33:43 PM EST
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A spokeswoman for EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton on Thursday denied that a split is emerging inside the union on how to handle the Israel flotilla probe after Italy and the Netherlands voted against a UN call for an international enquiry. "The EU does speak with one voice," she said.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:34:22 PM EST
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Christian Wulff set to be government nomination for German president | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 03.06.2010

The state premier of Lower Saxony, Christian Wulff is to be nominated as the next German president, according to government sources.

Chancellor Angela Merkel is set to propose the 50-year-old as the successor to Horst Koehler, who resigned unexpectedly at the start of the week.

The naming of Wulff follows German media reports that the former favorite, Labor Minister Ursula von der Leyen, is no longer being considered. The media reports cite sources from within Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:46:19 PM EST
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German defense minister could abolish conscription in budget drive | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 03.06.2010

German Defense Minister Karl Theodor zu Guttenberg has reopened a long-simmering debate about the draft in Germany, saying he wouldn't shy away from "radical and controversial measures" in his efforts to cut back on military expenditure.

"Against the background of the latest savings proposal, I'm determined to put the issue of military conscription back on the agenda," the German Defense Minister said in a keynote speech on military policy in Hamburg recently.

As part of the government's planned austerity measures, the German military is facing cuts of 1 billion euros ($1.24 billion) annually over the next three years.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:47:22 PM EST
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Turkey opens a new chapter in Kurdish relations | World | Deutsche Welle | 03.06.2010

On his landmark visit to Ankara on Thursday, Massoud Barzani, president of the Iraqi Kurdistan region and the leader of the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) made pledges that testified to the major renewal of Turkish-Kurd relations that has developed recently.

"We are against the continuation of violence. We do not see Turkey's security as separate from our own. We will expend all efforts to end this deplorable situation," Barzani said after talks with Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:47:51 PM EST
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Stricken from the record - Greek media go on 24-hour strike | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 03.06.2010

In Greece, the latest 24-hour strikes have left a hole in media coverage as journalists have walked off the job.

On Thursday, no television news or radio programs are being broadcast, and online news outlets have not been updated since early Thursday morning. Friday editions of the country's newspapers are also not scheduled to be printed.

In addition to stopping the presses, Greek public transportation workers have also gone on strike. Currently, there are no bus, subway or tram services in Athens.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:48:51 PM EST
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France24 - Female judge, clerk shot dead in Brussels court

AFP- A man shot dead a female magistrate and a court clerk in a Brussels courtroom on Thursday before fleeing the scene, justice minister Stefaan De Clerck announced.

"This is a real drama. A magistrate, for the first time in history, and her clerk, were killed right in the tribunal room," De Clerck told said on national television.

The justice of the peace who was killed was presiding over a civil tribunal dealing with matters such as divorce and problems with neighbours, according to the minister.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:56:30 PM EST
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France24 - England in shock after Cumbria killing rampage
AFP- Friends and neighbours of Derrick Bird, who killed 12 people on a shooting spree in northern England, have expressed shock that a "normal bloke" could wreak such devastation.
   
But there were reportedly some prior warnings of the killings, which media reports suggest could have been caused by a family feud or a row at work -- and which caused the normally conposed Bird to explode.
   
The 52-year-old taxi driver drove through the picturesque Lake District on Wednesday morning on a terrifying rampage that only ended when he turned the gun on himself.
   
Police do not yet know what motivated the attack. He had no history of mental illness, according to the local health authorities.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 02:02:27 PM EST
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Mother stunned at son's murder rampage - Crime, UK - The Independent

The mother of gunman Derrick Bird is "stunned" by her son's murder of 12 people, including his twin brother, in a rampage apparently sparked by a family feud.

Elderly Mary Bird kept saying she wanted to speak to her sons after learning of yesterday's massacre in Cumbria, a relative said.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 02:15:11 PM EST
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Expect union-busting laws from government - union | Reuters

England (Reuters) - The head of Britain's biggest union said tougher anti-union laws are certain under Britain's new government and will trigger confrontation with workers already angered by proposed spending cuts.

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But Unite joint general secretary Derek Simpson told Reuters in an interview the kind of riots that have hit debt-laden Greece are unlikely in Britain.

The Conservative-Liberal Democrat alliance, which came to power after a May 6 election, wants to concentrate most of its efforts on departmental spending cuts as it tries to reduce a budget deficit running close to 11 percent of national output.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 02:08:55 PM EST
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Ed Miliband supports 50% female team - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

Ed Miliband has strengthened his pledge to promote women to senior political jobs by supporting a plan to ensure half of the party's new shadow Cabinet team is female.

Labour's acting leader, Harriet Harman, announced she would be campaigning for a change to the party's rules that would see 11 out of the 22 shadow posts given to women. Current rules dictate that just four posts have to be filled by a female MP. The move would guarantee jobs for the likes of Yvette Cooper, Tessa Jowell and Caroline Flint.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 02:15:54 PM EST
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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:26:52 PM EST
EUobserver / Wobbly Hungary tasked with rebuilding trust in EU

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Brussels has warned that markets will "punish" the EU unless it restores faith in its financial governance. But the 2011 Hungarian EU presidency risks setting a bad example amid a struggle to rebuild its economy and a recent turn toward nationalism.

"I have encouraged Prime Minister Orban to do everything that is in his power to address the structural problems for Hungary, to continue and to accelerate if possible fiscal consolidation efforts," European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said on Thursday (3 June) after meeting the new Hungarian leader in Brussels.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:30:11 PM EST
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EUobserver / Parliament to probe eurozone bail-out deal

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - An influential member of the European Parliament has questioned the way in which EU leaders and finance minsters rapidly cobbled together a €750 billion eurozone rescue mechanism at the beginning of last month, referring to the process as "highly undemocratic".

The comments, made by centre-right MEP Wolf Klinz on Thursday (3 June), refer in particular to the new balance-of-payments facility for eurozone states that makes up part of the support mechanism.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:30:40 PM EST
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EUobserver / Brussels sets out plans to regulate credit rating agencies

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The European Commission has come forward with a list of amendments to revise EU rules on credit rating agencies, aiming to boost transparency and centralise supervision at the European level.

Under the proposals, the European Securities and Markets Authority (ESMA) - a new body whose legislation is currently being negotiated by member states and the European Parliament - will take over the supervision of rating agencies in Europe from national authorities.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:31:06 PM EST
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EUobserver / Policy-makers grapple with EU's controversial workers law

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The EU is still no clearer on how it should balance the freedom of the internal market and workers rights following a series of key judgements in recent years by the bloc's highest court, seen as tipping the scale more towards the protection of economic interests.

A hearing on Wednesday (2 June) on where to go next with a law governing the hiring of foreign workers - the Posting of Workers Directive - saw little agreement between the European Commission, business and trade union representatives.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:31:38 PM EST
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EUobserver
Italy, France and Germany have ignored EU court rulings on non-compliance with single market law and face fines if the situation persists, the EU commission warned on Thursday. The Italian case concerns an illegal transition period for making women civil servants retire at the same age as men.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:34:46 PM EST
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Berlin looks for ways to trim budget | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 03.06.2010

It's no secret that the German government is on the brink of some serious belt-tightening to get its budget deficit under control. However, it is still unclear exactly what those measures will entail, and where the cuts will come from.

On Thursday, members of Chancellor Angela Merkel's cabinet are meeting to continue the debate on the issue ahead of a special session beginning on Sunday where concrete plans are expected to be made.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:48:15 PM EST
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However, it is still unclear exactly what those measures will entail, and where the cuts will come from.

That's simple.  Follow the US model.  Steal from those least capable of defending themselves.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 08:34:49 AM EST
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France24 - Parliament votes to guarantee euro bailout fund

France's upper house of parliament definitively approved Thursday a supplementary budget giving the green light to the country providing 111 billion euros as a guarantee to safeguard the euro. The Senate passed the plan by 309 votes to 24. The vote approved France's contribution to a bailout package agreed to by the leaders of the 16 euro zone countries on May 9.   France's National Assembly (France's lower house) had earlier backed the plan in a vote Monday.  

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:57:53 PM EST
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France24 - 'Karachi-gate' police report mentions French president

French President Nicolas Sarkozy is mentioned in a Luxembourg police report concerning the payment of tens of millions of euros in bribes in the sale of French submarines to Pakistan in 1994.

The report, dated January 19, 2010, is in the possession of two French officials investigating DCN, the company that built the submarines, according to legal sources who on Wednesday confirmed information published on the Mediapart website.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:58:28 PM EST
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FT.com / Global Economy - Rising costs fuel food inflation fears
The rising cost of meat, dairy products and vegetable oils will increase the world's food import bill by 11.5 per cent in 2010, according to the United Nations, further stoking fears of rising food inflation in emerging countries.

Food costs make up a significant part of the price of consumer goods, and the increase is likely to lead to higher inflation at a time when many emerging economies are battling rising inflation.

Chinese consumer price inflation rose to 2.8 per cent in April, with food prices rising 5.9 per cent year-on-year - one factor pushing the Chinese authorities to take measures to cool the growth of their economy.

In its forecast about this year's food import bill, the UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation said on Thursday that the cost of imported foods would hit $921bn, its highest level after a record of $1,015bn in 2008, and well above levels before the food crisis of $350bn-$450bn a year.



"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 02:23:34 PM EST
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FT.com / Europe - Eurozone retail trade suffers sharp fall
Retail trade in the eurozone fell at its sharpest level for 18 months in April, raising fears that the bloc's economic recovery is being hampered by anaemic high-street spending.

Seasonally-adjusted retail trade was down 1.2 per cent compared to March, according to Eurostat, the European Commission's statistical arm.

Economists had expected a modest rise. The fall was partly offset by an upward revision to the March data, from 0 to 0.5 per cent growth.

The fall chimes with repeated surveys of consumers, which show that confidence is still at low levels and falling. That has filtered through to stagnant retail spending, with consequences for the broader economy.



"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 04:30:14 PM EST
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FT.com / Europe - Eurozone retail trade suffers sharp fall
Retail sales in Spain fell 2.1 per cent, and remain far below the country's long-term average. Portugal was up modestly after two months of heavy losses; Greece, Italy and Ireland do not submit monthly data.

Germany by contrast was among the biggest risers, up 1 per cent, while France was up 0.2 per cent.



"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 04:31:22 PM EST
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Economists expect virgin birth. Are disappointed.
by generic on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 05:25:36 PM EST
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FT.com / Columnists / Samuel Brittan - A plan to live with `imbalances'
Governor Zhou Xiaochuan of the Chinese central bank put forward in April 2009 the case for a "super-sovereign reserve currency". Such a currency already exists in embryonic form in the IMF Special Drawing Rights...

Why not, however, gradually give the SDR more of the characteristics of a genuine money and allocate new issues to emerging countries? This was originally proposed in a now long-forgotten plan by the late Maxwell Stamp. The purpose of a revival would not be to add permanently to emerging country reserves but to provide these countries with the wherewithal to increase investment. Surplus nations such as China would then receive payments in non-depreciating currency guaranteed against default and SDR users would have much less reason to fear undue Chinese political influence. Moreover, instead of the uphill task of persuading the western political and financial establishments that budget deficits are permissible and desirable in the face of a potential world savings surplus, the offset to that surplus would be provided by development expenditure, which would be doubly blessed as "investment" and as part of an attack on world poverty - all this would attract bien-pensant lobbies in a way that the more abstract Keynesian arguments on their own evidently cannot.



"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 03:44:42 AM EST
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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:27:19 PM EST
Statements by senior Israeli military commanders made in the Hebrew media days before the massacre revealed that the raid was planned over a week in advance by the Israeli military and was personally approved by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Minister of Defense Ehud Barak. The elite Israeli commando unit known as Unit 13 was tasked with carrying out the mission and its role was known by the Israeli public well before the raid took place. Details of the plan show that the use of deadly force was authorized and calculated. The massacre of activists should not have been unexpected.

On May 28, three days before the raid, top Israeli military officials revealed details of their strategy to Maariv, Israel's most widely circulated paper. The caption of the Maariv article reflected the military command's plan to use force: "On the way to violence; one of the boats is on its way."



"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 09:03:51 PM EST
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FT.com / Middle East - Israel signals rethink on blockade
Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, was meeting senior ministers last night to discuss ways to ease the Gaza blockade. One Israeli official, explaining government thinking, said it was "necessary to examine every ship that could bring rockets and missiles into Gaza" while also allowing "civilian products" to reach the population. "We are currently exploring additional paths to implement this principle," the official said.

News agency and television reports suggested ministers would consider some sort of international role in enforcing an arms embargo on Gaza. But the prime minister's office was also quoted as saying another aid ship intending to reach Gaza at the weekend would not be allowed to do so.



"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 02:17:16 AM EST
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Xinhua Official Shares Details of China's News Cleanups - NYTimes.com

In a lecture he gave to a group of journalism students last month, a top official at Xinhua, the state news agency, said that the mission was not so picture-perfect. The official, Xia Lin, described how a design flaw had exposed the astronaut to excessive G-force pressure during re-entry, splitting his lip and drenching his face in blood. Startled but undaunted by Mr. Yang's appearance, the workers quickly mopped up the blood, strapped him back in his seat and shut the door. Then, with the cameras rolling, the cabin door swung open again, revealing an unblemished moment of triumph for all the world to see.

The content of Mr. Xia's speech, transcribed and posted online by someone who attended the May 15 lecture at Tianjin Foreign Studies University, has become something of a sensation in recent days, providing the Chinese a rare insight into how their news is stage-managed for mass consumption.

Titled "Understanding Journalistic Protocols for Covering Breaking News," the speech was intended to help budding journalists understand Xinhua's dual mission: to give Chinese leaders a fast and accurate picture of current events and to deftly manipulate that picture for the public to ensure social harmony, and by extension, the Communist Party's hold on power. ...



If you can't pay the bills, it's not sustainable.
by marco on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 03:30:48 AM EST
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Xia Lin (夏林), Xinhua Deputy Chief Editor, Reveals Secret Details of Old News Stories | China Digital Times
Following blogpost has been deleted from the original source, but there are plenty of copies online, translated by CDT:
In the afternoon of May 15, Xia Lin, Chief Editor of Xinhua News Agency, and Editorial Department Director of Reference News, visited our school to present a report. The topic of the report was "Understanding Journalistic Protocols for Covering Breaking News: Case Study of Xinhua News Agency's Reporting of the Yushu Earthquake Relief Efforts." During his presentation, Mr. Xia Lin provided many shocking, and previously unknown details about the Wenchuan earthquate (1), Xinjiang's July 5th Incident (2), and the return of the Shenzhou 5 (3). Below are several key excerpts compiled from a live recording of Xia Lin's comments. It is possible that there are inaccuracies or ambiguities. In addition, Mr. Xia Lin has not reviewed [this document]. It is only provided for reference.

1. Reporter dresses up as solider to take pictures of the wreckage of a helicopter downed during the Wenchuan earthquake relief activities.

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2. After the "July 5th incident" there was no "July 7th incident"

... After glancing through seventeen of the 175 photos that the journalist had taken, he [Xia Lin] couldn't stand looking at any more of them. According to autopsies performed by the judiciary, not only had the dead been murdered, you could basically say that they had been tortured to death. ...

... The incident has been dubbed "battle of the grunt laborers" because those who participated in the fighting were from the lowest social classes of the Uyghur and the Han. As the pictures show, they were carrying clubs in their hands, most were bare-chested, some had tattoos. Speaking of this he remarked, "Those who took to the streets had nothing."

After reflecting on the causes of the incident, he remarked, "The current structure of Chinese society remains unstable. Those unable to maintain stable lives for themselves are the majority. An ideal society should be shaped like a diamond, few at the top, few at the bottom, with the middle class being the majority. Our society is currently shaped like a pyramid; the lower social classes compose the majority. If the middle class, those with stable lives, composed the majority then they would definitely not want their current stable lives to be disrupted; therefore, they would actively work to promote stability."

Insomuch as Hotan jade (6) represents Xinjiang, the July 5th riots are said to represent irreparable cracks in this jade emblem. In light of the situation as it existed at the time, publishing large numbers of actual photographs would have only further inflamed the ethnic conflict, causing the nation's Han Chinese to attack Uyghurs. This would have caused irreversible damage. [Therefore,] Xinhua reported on the situation to the outside world to the smallest degree possible. Further, they intentionally played down the important significance of the second wave of conflicts that occurred on July 7th. That is why people say, "After the `July 5th incident' there was no `July 7th incident.'" Actually, at the time twenty-seven provincial level administrative regions sent anti-riot police to Xinjiang to maintain order.

3. Yang Liwei emerged from the cabin with his face covered in fresh blood.

When the Shenzhou 5 spacecraft successfully returned, the image of Yang Liwei emerging from the cabin was broadcast live to the entire world. In those images, although Yang Liwei's face appears a bit pale, his body appears sound. He was quickly carried off by a big group of anxious workers. However, the Yang Liwei of those images had actually already been cleaned up. When he first opened the cabin door his face was covered with fresh blood. Then the blood was wiped from his face, and they re-filmed the image of him emerging from the cabin. How could this be? When Yang Liwei was being interviewed he revealed the dangers he experienced while taking off and landing.

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Although best efforts have been made at fact checking, please understand that we cannot provide a 100% guarantee of the accuracy of the words [above]. ...



If you can't pay the bills, it's not sustainable.
by marco on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 03:31:40 AM EST
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Not that it will help them understand (and they wouldn't understand even if his pronunciation was better).

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 01:47:32 PM EST
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La Repubblica claims that this disgusting parody was released by Israel's propaganga ministry.,
L'ufficio stampa del governo israeliano ha divulgato per errore un video-farsa proprio sul sanguinoso arrembaggio costato la vita di nove persone. Il video creato da Latma Tv si intitola "Flotilla- We con the world" (Flotilla- Noi inganniamo il mondo) ed è la parodia di "We are the world".
I haven't found any confirmation of this part of the story. I true, I think Israel's propaganda is basically over.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 02:03:23 PM EST
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DemocracyNow!: "Israeli Military Retracts Claim Passengers "Al Qaeda Mercenaries"

"The Israeli military, meanwhile, has been forced to retract its claim that passengers aboard the flotilla were agents of al-Qaeda. An Israel Defense Forces press release sent out two days after the assault says approximately forty flotilla passengers 'are mercenaries belonging to the Al Qaeda terror organization.' The independent journalist Max Blumenthal says both he and an Israeli colleague asked the Israeli military press office to substantiate its claim. No evidence was provided, and one day later the press released was modified. The original headline was changed from 'Attackers of the IDF Soldiers Found to be Al Qaeda Mercenaries' to 'Attackers of the IDF Soldiers Found Without Identification Papers.' Commenting on the retraction, Blumenthal writes, 'The more Israel's claims about the flotilla's terrorist links are challenged, the more they fall apart.'"

Attackers of the IDF Soldiers Found Without Identification Papers, 02 June 2010 , 10:47

Photographed are a number of the bullet proof vests discovered on board the Mavi Marmara, suggesting passengers were prepared for a gunfight. Photo: IDF Spokesperson

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In a special meeting of the Security Cabinet it was disclosed that a group of 40 people on board the Mavi Marmara was found with no identification papers. Moreover, they were equipped with bullet proof vests, night-vision goggles, and weapons.
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Tarachansky reached the IDF's Israel desk, interviewing a spokesperson in Hebrew; I spoke with the North America desk, using English. We both received the same reply from Army spokespeople: "We don't have any evidence. The press release was based on information from the [Israeli] National Security Council."  Read more...


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 03:02:49 PM EST
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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:27:50 PM EST
Renewable energy exempted from potential EU ban on hazardous household goods | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 03.06.2010

The renewable energy industry has won exemption from a piece of European Union legislation aimed at banning the use of hazardous chemical substances in household electronic goods.

The vote comes as a relief to solar panel companies such as First Solar Inc, which had strongly resisted the attempt by some members of the European Parliament to ban the substance cadmium, used as a compound in the panels made by the US company.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:49:24 PM EST
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France24 - BP cuts off leaking oil pipe in newest bid to stem leak
AFP - BP on Thursday successfully cut off a fractured oil pipe using giant shears, pressing ahead with its latest bid to seal the leak as President Barack Obama announced a third trip to the region.
  
After a diamond-blade saw got stuck in the pipe lying a mile down on the sea bed, the British energy giant was forced to use rougher means to slice it off.
  
"The other saw that we attempted to use was not successful in getting the internal drill pipe so we replaced it with the shears, which don't have as clean a cut, but we do have a cut now," Admiral Thad Allen told reporters.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:59:31 PM EST
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BP cuts ruptured oil pipe with shears | Reuters

The energy giant's undersea robots sheared off a pipe at the seabed site of the massive oil leak after more than two days of trying. Hours earlier, two rating agencies downgraded BP debt, reflecting assessments that the company would suffer lasting damage.

The U.S. disaster response chief, retired Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen, said the next step, to begin later on Thursday, will be to position a containment cap over the riser pipe and attempt to bring at least some of the escaping oil and gas to the surface.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 02:06:26 PM EST
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Cap placed over Gulf leak; oil flow still raging
A cap was placed atop the blown-out Gulf of Mexico oil well Thursday night, but oil was still spewing into the Gulf waters on Friday morning.

The containment cap was placed over the main pipe on the leaking well on Thursday, but the oil flow seemed to overpower that cap. BP spokesman Toby Odone said he had no immediate information on whether the cap was successfully attached.
hat tip Booman Tribune

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 08:29:36 AM EST
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ht marisa

wwitv video | text: "There's 1150 acres of that stuff right there that are mine," said Cvitanovich. "Two weeks from now you're going to come back and you're going to see nothing but open shell."

The oysters in Barataria Bay are healthy and growing, but because of the oil now threatening their leases, oystermen fear this year's crop could be a total loss. "Those oyster beds are 15 to 20 miles inland," said Drago's owner Tommy Cvitanovich. "For that oil to already be that far inland and we weren't able to stop it in the outside waters, it's truly sad."

Democracy Now! Travels Across Coastal Louisiana, 2 June 2010

AMY GOODMAN: On shore, I speak with Dean Blanchard outside his shrimping facility in Grand Isle, Louisiana. I ask him to talk about how the BP oil spill has impacted the shrimping business.
DEAN BLANCHARD: Everybody's upset here. They put us out of business. We'd usually have ninety people working right now. We'd have five, six hundred fishermen running around here. You couldn't be standing up right here, if it'd be a regular day without BP, you know?
AMY GOODMAN: So, what did BP do? What do you think of what they did?
DEAN BLANCHARD: What did they do? They--twenty-eight years' worth of work, and they completely shut me down. You know, they put me out of business. A
AMY GOODMAN: How much of the water here is closed? How many of the beaches?
DEAN BLANCHARD: Everything is closed. For a boat to bring me seafood, he has to travel fourteen hours....

DEAN BLANCHARD: Basically BP's holding these people hostage. They're putting them in a toxic environment with no training, and they ain't go no choice. But, you know, they don't--they're used to working in a cash business. They've got to be paid. They borrowed everything they could to get their boats ready to go shrimping, and when it was time to harvest [May, June, July], just like me, they're broke. They ain't got no choice. So they ain't no different than a terrorist. They're holding these people hostage, is what they're doing. And they're so scared, they don't want to come out of their room. They're threatening them, I'm telling you. They sign contracts. If they say something, they're fired.
AMY GOODMAN: Could we ask to talk to them?
DEAN BLANCHARD: You could try.
AMY GOODMAN: Could we ask you a few questions about the oil on your boom?
FISHERMAN: I'd rather not. I'd rather not get involved right now.
AMY GOODMAN: What?
FISHERMAN: I'd rather not get involved right--
AMY GOODMAN: But so, this comes from where, the oil on your booms?
FISHERMAN: Dean, I can't get involved with that, Dean.
DEAN BLANCHARD: Yeah, I told them that. They don't believe me.
AMY GOODMAN: Does BP get upset if you say anything?
Well, all the best to you.
FISHERMAN: Yes, ma'am.
DEAN BLANCHARD: They're scared, you know? They got 'em hostage. If they get fired, there's no way for them to make a living. And BP wants to give you a one-time payment of $5,000. My bills are $5,260 a day. What am I going to do with? Does it matter to me if I go broke on a Tuesday or a Wednesday? You know? I mean, come on. It's a joke, you know? The American President--the President ought to be ashamed of himself. That's who's--I hold him responsible right now. The President, I voted for that man. It was one of the worst mistakes I ever made. I thought he was a man and he was going to bring about change. But if this is change, it's not change for the better. The President ought to be ashamed of himself.

Read more...

U-3 down. Imports up.


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 10:20:29 AM EST
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Ocean currents likely to carry oil along Atlantic coast | UCAR
A detailed computer modeling study released today indicates that oil from the massive spill in the Gulf of Mexico might soon extend along thousands of miles of the Atlantic coast and open ocean as early as this summer. The modeling results are captured in a series of dramatic animations produced by the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) and collaborators.

hat tip Booman

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char

by Melanchthon on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 08:32:17 AM EST
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Come to California with your tourist $$$!  We have strict environmental laws, high class hotels, world famous wines, friendly hookers.  Forget about the oil soaked beaches of Florida and Come To California!

When the world gives you lemons, screw the south.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 08:40:19 AM EST
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And come quickly, before Carly Fiorina does to the state what she did to HP.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 08:56:51 AM EST
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Ain't Carly a gem.  And with the gulf in the condition it's in I just heard a Carly ad talking about how Boxer is out of touch with her concern for the environment. Carly will keep us safe from terrorists (like BP?),

I hope Carly gets flogged in the fall.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 06:43:50 PM EST
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UK gets final warning over London air quality | Reuters

EU air quality legislation sets a limit on the maximum concentrations of certain pollutants. Britain has failed to comply with standards for dangerous airborne particles known as PM10, which are emitted by industry, traffic and domestic heating, the Commission said.

These particles can cause health problems including asthma, cardiovascular problems, lung cancer and premature death.

According to the latest data, the Greater London Urban Area and Gibraltar exceed PM10 limits

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 02:11:30 PM EST
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why is gibraltar so polluted? harbour toxins? heavy industry?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 03:26:40 PM EST
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Why is Gibraltar a tax haven, smuggling and money-laundering centre? Why does the UK repair its nuclear submarines there rather than in Britain?

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 04:39:37 PM EST
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we want answers!!!!

stamps foot petulantly

no answers, no debate... another process we don't have permission to 'fully understand'.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Jun 6th, 2010 at 05:15:17 AM EST
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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:28:10 PM EST
EUobserver / EU company admits blame for sale of phone-snooping gadgets to Iran

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Nokia-Siemens Networks on Wednesday (2 June) admitted its share of the blame for Iran's brutal crack-down on anti-government demonstrators last year after selling mobile phone surveillance to the authoritarian regime.

"We absolutely do find ourselves in a tricky situation and need the help of people in this room to help us navigate in these challenging times," Barry French, head of marketing and corporate affairs with Nokia-Siemens Networks, told MEPs during a hearing on human rights and new information technologies.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:32:45 PM EST
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EUobserver / Europeans among least trusting Facebook users, study says

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Western Europeans are among the world's most suspicious users of social networking websites but Asians are the most duplicitous, a new study has found.

Focusing on the biggest player in the field, Facebook, which is used by just over half of all internet surfers, the survey by Belgian firm InSites Consulting noted that 47 percent of people in southern Europe and 44 percent in western Europe have "little trust" that Facebook will not pass on their private data to third parties.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:33:11 PM EST
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Even jeans are too alluring for the Sharia police in Aceh | The Observers

Sharia police in the Indonesian province of Aceh are stopping women dressed in jeans and forcing them to change into long government issued skirts.

The semiautonomous province on the northern island of Sumatra has the highest proportion of Muslims in the country. In order to bring an end to decades of fighting between Muslim separatists and the army, the national government consented to the adoption of Sharia law in Aceh in 2002. To enforce the new laws, a special unit of police, called Wilayatul Hisbah or "the vice and virtue patrol", was established.

On 26 May, the West Aceh district of the province intensified their crackdown on women wearing tight fitting trousers by issuing the local police with 20,000 long skirts. Women who are stopped at checkpoints for breaching the bylaw are now furnished with a skirt and have their trousers confiscated. The women cannot be arrested however.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:53:59 PM EST
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France24 - Twitter spoof leads anti-BP campaign
A satirical Web user who has been slamming British oil major BP for weeks over the oil slick crisis has decided to put his online popularity to good use by donating 10,000 dollars (8165 euros) to Gulf Restoration Network, a non-profit conservation group.   Since its launch on May 19, the BPGlobalPR Twitter account has ridiculed BP's management of the oil slick crisis, earning in the process 111,347 followers (and counting).
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:57:25 PM EST
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France24 - Volunteers embark on 520-day 'space odyssey'
AFP- Six men from Europe, Russia and China were Thursday locked away from the outside world for the next one-and-a-half years, in an unprecedented experiment to simulate the effects of a mission to Mars.
   
One Chinese man, one Italian, one Frenchman and three Russians will spend the next 520 days in a 550 cubic metre facility at a Moscow research institute to test how their bodies and minds react to prolonged isolation.
   
Dressed in blue overalls, the six gave the thumbs-up sign and smiled for the cameras as loved ones and wellwishers gave them an emotional send-off before they entered the facility.
   
"See you in 520 days," shouted one of the Russian participants, Sukhrob Kamolov, just before a scientist shut the door on the facility and sealed it shut at around 1000 GMT.
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 02:01:37 PM EST
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France24 - France's Le Monde vows independence as it seeks new owner

AFP - Le Monde, France's high-brow newspaper of record, on Thursday vowed to remain independent despite imminent plans to sell itself to a new -- and possibly foreign -- owner.

"A page of the daily's history will turn," publisher Eric Fottorino wrote in a front-page letter to readers that said five bidders were interested in taking control of the paper currently owned by its journalists.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 02:04:43 PM EST
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in your bedroom.

Gareth Edwards made just-releasing Monsters (so he says) for 15000 bucks. But it doesn't matter if it cost 1.000.000 - it's still cheap. And this movie is going to be highly influential around Hollywood board rooms.

But the video above shows how he personally made 250 video effects for the BBC Drama 'Attila the Hun' (apart from directing the 2 hour TV movie). In his bedroom.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 11:38:15 AM EST
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The technology of film making has driven the costs off a cliff.  For the previous costs of the film stock one can purchase an entire production studio, including three RED cameras.  To make stuff like:

Jackson had WETA Digital behind him and his experience with Lord of the Rings of digital grading, "live" action (digital performance capture) CGI, but .... still.

(BTW, Andy Serkis is setting up his very own Acting School.)

All this is eye-candy, at best, depth of image most of the time, and the rest wearisome One Trick Pony imagery:

(Note rip-off of Lord of the Rings at 1:08)

Monsters and battle and the Good Guys Win ... except for a supporting role actor who must needs bite the dust so the lead can have a grief and re-dedication scene providing emotional "depth" (sic).

Point here is the cost of a film has not much to do with the emotional palate - put it - of a film.  That all starts with story and the costs of story haven't changed: one person sitting in front of a computer hacking away.  Film makers are going to reach the end of the technical side of the film real quick, if they haven't already.  The Tim Burton/Disney raping re-telling of Alice didn't come close to the box office of Avatar even tho' it was 3D and released immediately on the heels of Avatar.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 01:13:35 PM EST
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What the industrial machine does with the technology, and what your young film-maker does, are two different things imho. Shooting on carefully-chosen location is expensive too. Building sets is expensive. Properties are expensive - and all this old-fashioned stuff means lots of people - and then you have to feed all of  them, put them in hotels etc etc.

The first flush of any new cost-cutting, option-allowing, simulation technology is always crappy, and based on trying to replicate past methods of production. The synthesised saxophone, if you will. People were happy if you just said that 'it reminds me of a sax- somehow'.

But eventually people start treating a synthesiser like a new instrument.

Not the Potemkin Stairs reference ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 02:11:54 PM EST
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She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 03:39:29 PM EST
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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 01:28:33 PM EST
France24 - 'Golden Girl' Rue McClanahan dies at 76: report

AFP - Actress Rue McClanahan, who found fame in the long-running US television sitcom "Golden Girls", died Thursday at age 76, People magazine reported on its website.

McClanahan, who played the man-hungry Blanche Devereaux in the popular series which ran for seven years from 1986 to 1992, passed away after suffering a massive stroke, her manager Barbara Lawrence told People.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 02:03:47 PM EST
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i just listened to all 4 parts, and cannot find anything he says as unreasonable, but he's a teabagger!

which is why i believe eventually the force of the teabagger movement if it joined forces with the kossak/move on/greenpeace crowd would be unstoppable, especially with someone as convincingly courageous as this man as leader.

nothing remotely beckian...

tough talking realism is what i take away from his vids.

i don't get authoritarian, does anyone here?

all he needs is a wig and a quill, the pose is pure 1798!


'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 03:21:53 AM EST
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It's not entirely unreasonable, he definitely hates Wall St and Goldman in particular. His descriptions of their behaviour as reminiscent of mafia crime families is amusingly apt.

but there's a confusion of terms going I that I cannot decide is deliberate. He keeps referring to capitalism, yet those he denounces, Walmart and Wall St, are an inevitable product of american capitalism. His praise of mom-and-pop stores is charmingly nostalgic, but his solution, the belief that "progressive libertarianism" is gonna promote that which he wants and somehow prevent what he despises is ludicrous.

Because to do that means that somebody has to police the business environment, determine the bounds of permissible behaviours and ensure that there are prevention mechanisms for going beyond them. and that somebody So, while he's very plausible on diagnosis, indeed some of his darker ideas of where things are headed are similar to some of my fears, his solutions are typical libertarian magic thinking; it's childish and likely to makes things much worse and that makes it dangerous.

We've had libertarianism, it was what we had before cities when we moved around in hunter gatherer groups. government is what happens when people settle down into stable societies and need to protect themselves from those more prone to the darker side of human nature, the predators and the violent. To imagine that this is gonna go away and we can survive in tight knit communities without social organisation is to go through the Looking-glass and meet the Red Queen.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 06:44:29 AM EST
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Ooops

3rd paragraph, 1st line;-

Because to do that means that somebody has to police the business environment, determine the bounds of permissible behaviours and ensure that there are prevention mechanisms for going beyond them. and that somebody is a government

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 06:46:17 AM EST
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runaway government spending is a problem though, both sides agree running huge deficits and compound interest with them is a sign of badly organised management.

extreme socialism without personal moral maturity has led to tragic results, just as extreme rightwing government has.

corruption is endemic within the system, all agree on that too.

too much power centralised, be it one -ism or another, leads to topdown authoritarianism, in that i agree with libertarian values, where i don't agree with them is their contempt for the welfare society, the 'devil take the hindmost' attitude.

could one combine the best of the two systems? without personal moral maturity?

if there were born a party which did combine those two most disaffected of groups, with a charismatic enough leader, it would be a pleasure to vote them in. i don't mean a perot or nader, but someone talking like this guy. the libertarian wing would check the trotskyites, who in turn would enforce the social justice element missing from the 'fastest-rat-wins' laissez-faire, hands-off, no-regs is good regs thrust of the paulites.

sorta what the lib dems should be all about in the uk, and sorta maybe are beginning to be finally...

as for the mom and pop stores, i think that's what's going to be left or re-emerge after the box stores cave from high oil prices.

thanks for the intelligent feedback.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 07:26:56 AM EST
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The difficulty of your ideal coalition is that each wing thinks the other is the the problem. I doubt it's a marriage made in heaven.

What they both fence around is the concept of power, who wields it and in whose interest. Libertarians fear government power because they feel it is hostile to individual liberty (however defined). Government centralists (to coin a name) fear that non-state actors usually behave contrary to public good.

Most people accept that there are compromises that have to be made and each country has, in the past, made its own arrangements according to their culture. this has latterly broken down under globalisation with a homogenization project largely aimed towards the Cut-throat capitalism US corporates prefer.

In this both sides of the argument, the teabaggers and the statists are wholly wrong. I agree with Celente's diagnosis, but ceding power to the corporates is going to make matters worse, not better. We need government that is visibly on people's side and this is where the US model breaks down, in that government there is an enabler of the corporates against the people. this model has been forced on countries all around the world to disastrous effect.

The necessity is to create forms of government that are resistant to corporate buyout and support, the voting system or indeed the governmental system is irrelevant until you reach the point where the corporates cannot buy favour. Because in capitalist societies money is influence over power. And power is the problem.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 08:06:40 AM EST
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Helen:
Libertarians fear government power because they feel it is hostile to individual liberty (however defined).

not hard to see why, when so many laws are made by the stupid for the stupid, and enforced by the even more stupid for the benefit of the utterly stupid (and evil).

not that being a scofflaw is any noble, but...

the truth they hold to my mind is a healthy distaste for bureaucracy, featherbedding and clumsy social systems that self-propagate, morphing into the opposite of what they purport to do, all the while in staunch denial.

they are lacking in the vital organ of compassion though, which is best represented in the liberal prog left, greens etc.

and both hate the bought-and-sold politics of today's pred-cap model.

why don't they realise they're on the same page? all flesh and blood, related and needing the same things, (mostly for gvt to get out of bed with the corporations)?. i believe the racist/belligerent/xtian elements of the teabaggers are a problem which is out of control, but you can't dismiss all their concerns as easily, and they do evince some desire to get off their keisters and participate, too bad their brains have been half-eaten by too many Cheetos, but still...

because they've been divided and conquered. teabaggers may be stupid mostly, but they're numerous and at least trying to put some fear of the people into supposed public servants.

progs rail on blogs and support the leftier campaigns, but don't hit the streets much, unless to vote and stimulate other voters, which is great too.

marry the intelligence with the fire and numbers, and you'd have a big majority.

cuz right now you have the mother of all ideological logjams, and a lock on all but the subtlest of change. the system is corrupt to the core and lurching around like rasputin with 14 slugs in him.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 12:49:35 PM EST
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My goodness gracious! what a lot of 17th century clichez packed into one comment. You write as if Chapter XIII were, as it were, "programmed" into  your DNA...

Again, men have no pleasure (but on the contrary a great deal of grief) in keeping company where there is no power able to overawe them all. For every man looketh that his companion should value him at the same rate he sets upon himself, and upon all signs of contempt or undervaluing naturally endeavours, as far as he dares (which amongst them that have no common power to keep them in quiet is far enough to make them destroy each other), to extort a greater value from his contemners, by damage; and from others, by the example.

So that in the nature of man, we find three principal causes of quarrel. First, competition; secondly, diffidence; thirdly, glory.

... rather than the culture of competition, diffidence, and glory to which you are inculcated from cradle to grave. Falklands Forever!

re: "We've had libertarianism, it was what we had before cities when we moved around in hunter gatherer groups."

lol. Really?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 08:02:58 AM EST
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First, competition; secondly, diffidence; thirdly, glory.

And which of those three motivated that post?

Don't make me mention Homer Simpson. ;)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 08:07:32 AM EST
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eh?

Is my moral blindspot showing?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 08:24:19 AM EST
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Well, here you have the advantage of me. I've never read Leviathan or any other of the books by the great and good being largely ignorant of sociology and economics beyond the little I understand from here.

So the idea that I talk silly-headed claptrap is no surprise or disappointment. But melo asked the question and I repsonded as best I'm capable.

If I'm really so wrong, what do you think of this guy ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 08:11:19 AM EST
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oh, you should know, I'm teasing you. Hobbes, Locke, Hume --these are the "forefathers" of the anglo-political cannon, its been said, over and over and over... No one need actually read more than one sample per each of the literature they produced to recognize the concepts of propriety in modern governance --"civilization"-- that survive today in republican ideology.

I don't think, you are "wrong." I think, stereotyping is a difficult habit to break, because it's comforting to plan one's actions and limit one's own agency within a narrow range of possiblities.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 08:38:03 AM EST
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Helen:
We've had libertarianism, it was what we had before cities when we moved around in hunter gatherer groups. government is what happens when people settle down into stable societies and need to protect themselves from those more prone to the darker side of human nature, the predators and the violent. To imagine that this is gonna go away and we can survive in tight knit communities without social organisation is to go through the Looking-glass and meet the Red Queen.

Libertarianism and Anarchy are very different kinds of beasts. And I wouldn't completely rule out the feasibility of cooperative anarchy. The state is not only a protection from violence but also a major source. Relative poverty at the level our societies feature isn't possible absent the coercive power of the state. Add to that gratuitous but ruthlessly enforced rules like the ones governing drug use and maybe the occasional war and a stateless world doesn't look all that bad in comparison.
Now libertarians on the other hand need a coercive government in order to enforce their holy property rights. And in a capitalist society enforcing property rights basically means enforcing a hierarchy. That is what they call freedom.

by generic on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 08:12:51 AM EST
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"And in a capitalist society enforcing property rights basically means enforcing a hierarchy. That is what they call freedom."

This is a very sensible observation of ideology in service to political objective.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 08:42:42 AM EST
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Libertarianism and Anarchy are very different kinds of beasts

Only in the advertising. When you open either tin the same shit pours out.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 09:08:39 AM EST
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re: "When you open either tin the same shit pours out. "

How do you know this? Whence your conviction?

Please give examples. In my experience, a hierarchy of agency is the prevailing mode of enterprise organization. A society characterized by anarchy, like a nation governed by laws not men, is more difficult to locate than instances of purported "consensus." lol. Periodic attempts by corporate authorities ("officers" of some group) to cultivate "creativity" or "skunk works" --the purpose of which is invariably to "liberate" institutional protocol by excluding participants from the body-- is the exception that proves the rule.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 09:39:07 AM EST
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Agree. While many purporting to be Libertarians or Anarchists (a subset of the former) are, in fact, total tossers, I don't think Helen can condemn these historical subjects to non-discussion.

Lao Tzu, founder of Taoism in the sixth century BCE, once stated, "The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." Murray Rothbard called him "the first libertarian intellectual," saying that Lao Tzu focused on the individual over society in general.


You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 09:47:00 AM EST
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The total tossers aren't just the exception, it is that, because these people are those who would set the system up, it is flawed from the outset.

Anarchy/Libertarianism, one and the same. Maybe inspired by different books written by different delusionists, but same result. The strong (with guns) prey upon the weak. the settled are preyed upon by the itinerant.

They made anarchy and called it liberty.

I like the idea of Odonism from the book The dispossessed, but I note that it only works with aliens. Humans ain't designed for perfection.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 10:17:46 AM EST
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With respect to Lao Tzu, I think he was setting up a false argument that pits authoritarianism against self-realisation.

Authoritarianism is a mode of relationship which assumes that other people are guilty of something - and if they aren't, they should be.

A culture can have entire shelves full of statutes, without turning into an authoritarian Orwell-fest.

Most Western cultures actually do this. By the time you've compiled a constitution, a bill of rights, a collection of practical legislation, and a history of argument and judgement by precedent, you have one BIG pile of paper.

But it only becomes authoritarian when you try to bury the population under it.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 10:21:11 AM EST
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re: "Authoritarianism is a mode of relationship which assumes that other people are guilty of something - and if they aren't, they should be."

Say what?

Is guilt?

Is "the other people"?

For example, do you mean to conclude, The idea of authority is necessarily vested in a body of rules of conduct ("shelves of statutes") or laws designed by "other people" (heteronomy); people who subject autonomy or even abrogate any idea of autonomy to codification ("authoritarianism," the ideology of, dogmatic performance of authority) are authoritarians; therefore, anyone capable of uncoerced decisions (ethics) voluntarily commits a crime. That is, autonomy contradicts his or her "relationship" to some code which proscribes one's duties and obligations to all "other people" or society.

If true, how would you differentiate authoritarianism and socialism?

Possibly related clinical inference:

[W]hat is certain is that the moral equilibrium achieved by the complementary conceptions of heteronomous duty and of punishment properly so called, is an unstable equilibrium, owing to the fact that it does not allow the personality ["self-realisation"?] to grow and expand to its full extent. As the child grows up, the subjection of his conscience to the mind of the adult seems to him less legitimate, and except in cases of arrested moral development, caused either by decisive inner submission (those adults who remain children all their lives), or by sustained revolt, unilateral respect tends of itself to grow into mutual respect and to the state of cooperation which constitutes the normal equilibrium. It is obvious that since in our modern societies the common morality which regulates the relations of adults to each other is that of cooperation, the development of child morality will be accelerated by the examples that surround it. Actually, however, this is more probably a pheneomenon of convergence than one simply of social pressure. For if human societies have evolved from heteronomy to autonomy, and from gerontocractic theocracy in all its forms to equalitarian democracy, it may very well be that the phenomena of social condensation so well described by Durkheim have been favourable primarily to the emancipation of one generation from another, and have thus rendered possible in children and adolescents the development we have above. [Piaget, 324-325]

How would you differentiate so-called liberals' exhortations for "adult" government from so-called authoritarians' deprecations of "nanny state"?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 11:24:29 AM EST
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You're assuming that these words and phrases are based on rational, conscious motivations.

Authoritarianism is based on hatred for self and other. Everything it does and stands for comes from that.

It can, and often does, pretend to be moral. That doesn't mean it is, or that it has the same basis for morality as adult cultures do.

For if human societies have evolved from heteronomy to autonomy, and from gerontocractic theocracy in all its forms to equalitarian democracy, it may very well be that the phenomena of social condensation so well described by Durkheim have been favourable primarily to the emancipation of one generation from another, and have thus rendered possible in children and adolescents the development we have above.

Yes, exactly - assuming you're understanding 'emancipation' as increased personal autonomy balanced with empathic awareness, and not as a pseudo-Oedipal death struggle, which is how authoritarians understand it.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 11:42:01 AM EST
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re: "You're assuming that these words and phrases are based on rational, conscious motivations."

Don't tell me what I assume. Don't tell me what I understand. I will tell you one thing I assume: authoritarianism does not act ("it does," "It can...pretend"). It does not think. It has no conscience. Authoritarianism is an intellectual construct of one person's motives to act.

And I will tell you another operating assumption that I live by and that you can take to the bank: A moral is a result of an action. A morality is a collection of historical results. The result of one's actions may or may not be the result that one intends, that is desires or predicts, through ethical practice --the intellectual discrimination of possible actions. The predictability of ethical practice is the subject of moral fictions, those spoken and those written.

I asked you to explain your thesis of authoritarianism. I asked you two specific questions which you have not answered. Now. Would you have me to understand from your reply, which diverges wildly from generalization to the extremely peculiar affectation of an individual, you speak from experience?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 12:08:29 PM EST
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Authoritarianism is an intellectual construct of one person's motives to act.

No, authoritarianism is a behavioural syndrome with specific identifiable actions and attitudes. q.v. Altermeyer.

A moral is a result of an action. A morality is a collection of historical results.

Yes indeed, actions speak louder than words or ideals. Your point?

Incidentally, 1 & 2 above are the entirety of my 'thesis of authoritarianism'.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 12:45:13 PM EST
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I read Altermeyer's discursion on authoritarian group psychology (sociology of) based on experiments with self-described "RWA" adolescents, 18 - 24. Lemme see. The word autonomy appears once in his interpretation of questionnaire responses, "The Personal Origins of Right-Wing Authoritarianism." The section begins, "If we line up the usual supects for explaining anything we do, viz. our genes and our experiences, we have to wonder, "Do some people get born authoritarian followers? Maybe they do."

What 1&2?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 05:21:59 PM EST
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While I disagree with Helen's tin-can appreciation, seeing Rothbard quoted (presumably favourably) on "the individual over society" doesn't bring me nearer to agreeing with yours. One of the main ideological underpinnings of neoliberal economic dogma (to which Rothbard contributed and in the context of which I suggest his statement should be interpreted) is the pre-eminence of the individual (and the economy, understood as the aggregation of individual choices, to be all that matters - next stop Thatcher quoting Hayek, "there is no such thing as society").

What this has to do with anarchism, which has historically been associated (largely but not exclusively, it's true) with horizontal forms of social and economic organisation and cooperation, isn't clear to me.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 10:31:45 AM EST
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As usual, it's impossible to discuss this usefully without defining terms.

One of the key issues is that the words themselves are meaningless without good definitions - and the definitions have been corrupted to the point where they're useless. (What does 'liberal' mean now?)

The active difference is the quality of relationship, not of labelling or of ideology.

All relationships exist on a spectrum from the exploitative to the mutually supportive.

Capitalist, communist, socialist, and anarchist relationships can all exist anywhere on this spectrum. So can relationships with that ill-defined entity known as 'government'.

Oddly, the chief exception to this rule is the corporation, which is designed and mandated to be exploitative by statute.

The second most obvious exception is libertarianism - especially Randian objectivism and Tory so-called self-reliance - because these belief systems explicitly negate the value of mutual aid and social investment.

They also negate the value of social contracts which replace a mythology of personal omnipotence and limitless potential with a reality of enhanced security and opportunity - at the minor cost of limiting personal 'freedom' to relatively ethical actions.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 10:13:52 AM EST
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re: "the chief exception to this rule is the corporation, which is designed and mandated to be exploitative by statute."

No. This is a principle error from which cascades a politically expedient fallacy that individuals cannot, are incapable, of cooperation unless authorized, permitted, by officers of state bureaucracy.

A corporation, incorporation, is simply an identification of a group of people for a purpose, to obtain an objective, common to all members.

Corporations form and dissolve all the time.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 11:41:08 AM EST
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No, that's nonsense. No one believes that cooperation requires a state mandate. Everyone who isn't psychopathic has - or should have - personal experience proving otherwise.

But clearly exploitation in capitalist (and other) forms does require a state mandate - with the interesting implication that it might be lessened considerably if that mandate were withdrawn.

A corporation, incorporation, is simply an identification of a group of people for a purpose, to obtain an objective, common to all members.

Not in corporate law, it isn't. By statute, the 'objective common to all members' is stated explicitly as profit for shareholders. And the benefits of membership are explicitly limited to shareholders.

Other stakeholders are costs, not co-parties, and certainly not equal members - even though most corporations would produce no value at all without them.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 12:56:16 PM EST
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum might be a good place to start on defining some terms.

Classically, the similarities between Libertarianism and Socialism with Anarchism are roughly equal. One synonym for Anarchism has been Libertarian Socialist.

I tend to think of politics surrounded in 4 extremes:

Anarchism, Communism, Libertarianism, and Fascism representing the view of the place of the individual in society, and the view of the nature of property.
 

aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 12:37:50 PM EST
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While a political spectrum has many valid applications I think in this case it misses the point. This model looks at different ideologies as equally valid value judgements without taking into account that their basic tenets can often be self-contradictory or empirically shown to be false.
by generic on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 03:25:17 PM EST
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I think that is terribly unfair to anarchists.
by generic on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 09:59:04 AM EST
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"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 04:18:19 AM EST
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