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Israeli Arab flotilla hero: kill her or revoke her citizenship?

by fairleft Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 at 05:29:05 PM EST

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Haneen Zuabi (right), who represents the Arab nationalist party Balad in the Israeli Knesset, is heckled by Anastassia Michaeli, of the ultra-nationalistic Yisrael Beteinu party (centre). Photograph: David Vaaknin/AP

Read the details in the Guardian of Israel parliament member Haneen Zuabi's experience aboard the ship attacked by Israel for why she seems very much to be a hero. But the issue for me is, how far right is normal political life now in Israel? What has become of an Israel where "the ultra-nationalistic Yisraeli Beteinu party" can be part of the government and represents near-majority (majority?) political sentiment toward Arabs? ("There've been no public-opinion polls yet, but clearly many Israelis support a hard-line approach to Gaza and the Palestinian situation in general; experts note the population has grown increasingly conservative since the second Palestinian intifada, or "uprising," in 2000, exacerbated by hard-line new arrivals to Israel from Russia and elsewhere.") And then there's the ultra-orthodox religious party Shas, which provides Israel its Interior Minister. He's seriously seeking to revoke Zuabi's citizenship! (Emphasis added):

Gaza flotilla activist faces death threats
Haneen Zuabi, a Palestinian member of the Israeli Knesset, has been sworn at by parliamentary colleagues and received death threats since disembarking on Monday
Rachel Shabi in Jerusalem guardian.co.uk
Thursday 3 June 2010 17.21 BST

While other activists from the Gaza aid flotilla have returned home, one is left facing death threats and abuse in Israel. Haneen Zuabi, a Palestinian member of the Israeli Knesset who was aboard the Mavi Marmara, is now under armed protection after nearly 500 people signed up to a Facebook page calling for her execution.

During a heated parliamentary session yesterday Zuabi was sworn at and then shoved out of the chamber amid shouts of "Go to Gaza, traitor".

The 41-year-old member of the Arab nationalist party Balad has also received death threats by phone and mail. "I am not scared," she said, speaking from her home town of Nazareth in northern Israel. "This is inherent here, it is not something that started yesterday. It is just harder and harsher now."

And then there's Israel's loony Interior Minister. Note the fantastical perspective (but I guess it is majority opinion (?) in Israel) on what was plainly a deadly attack by armed Israeli soldiers on unarmed civilians on a boat in international waters:


Interior Minister seeks to revoke Israeli Arab MK's citizenship
Israeli Arab MK Hanin Zuabi took part in Gaza aid flotilla, in what Eli Yishai calls a 'premeditated act of treason' under protection of parliamentary immunity.
By Barak Ravid
Published 22:04 03.06.10
Latest update 22:04 03.06.10

Interior Minister Eli Yishai petitioned Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein to help him revoke the Israeli citizenship of Israeli Arab MK Hanin Zuabi, who took part in efforts to break Israel's blockade of Gaza on a flotilla of aid ships earlier this week. . . .

"In recent days," Yishai wrote to Weinstein on Thursday, "Israel's citizens have witnessed how an Israeli member of parliament, Hanin Zuabi, headed a group of terrorists who aimed to hurt Israel Defense Forces soldiers, under the protection of her parliamentary immunity." . . .

"MK Zuabi used her immunity as a cloak to protect her from the law, although she was undoubtedly aware of the activists' preparations for the attack against IDF troops," Yishai wrote. "This is a premeditated act of treason, and there is documented proof of this."

The Christian Science Monitor reports (emphasis added) further on Zoabi:

Zoabi was released from police custody Tuesday because of her parliamentary immunity, and today addressed Israeli parliament in a fiery speech challenging Israel's narrative that clashes were started by club-wielding activists.

"Israel spoke of a provocation, but there was no provocation," she told the Knesset. "Why does the government of Israel oppose an investigation? Are you sure of the Israeli story?"

Her address to the Israeli Knesset was repeatedly interrupted by Jewish lawmakers calling her a traitor and shouting, "Go to Gaza, traitor!"

In a televised address Wednesday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused Israel's critics of "hypocrisy."

But Zoab has not tempered her rhetoric. During a press conference Tuesday, according to Ynet news, she said: "It was clear from the size of the force that boarded the ship that the purpose was not only to stop this sail, but to cause the largest possible number of fatalities in order to stop such initiatives in the future."

More on Avigdor Lieberman and his party, Yisrael Beitinu at Wikipedia. Here are some recent lowlights (emphasis added):

Lieberman's party proposes ban on Arab Nakba
Nakba, or catastrophe, is day of mourning over displacement of 700,000 Arabs in 1948 war that led to Israel's creation.By Reuters
Published 16:46 14.05.09
Latest update 03:34 15.05.09

Avigdor Lieberman's party wants to ban Israeli Arabs from marking the anniversary of what they term "the Catastrophe" or Nakba, when in 1948 some 700,000 Arabs lost their homes in the war that led to the establishment of the state of Israel.

The ultranationalist Yisrael Beitenu party said it would propose legislation next week for a ban on the practice and a jail term of up to three years for violators. . . .

Threat of the 'thought police' alarms Israel's Arab minority
Freedom to oppose Israel's right to exist among acts that right-wing politicians are attempting to outlaw
By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem
Saturday, 30 May 2009

Israeli Arab leaders have called an emergency meeting today to discuss their growing alarm over a series of "racist and fascist" bills being promoted by right-wing members of the country's parliament. One of the bills has already brought fierce accusations from two prominent Jewish Knesset members that its backers are trying to create a "thought police" and "punish people for talking".

. . . the Committee is also protesting at another bill, which was given its first reading in the Knesset this week, that would make it a crime to negate Israel's right to exist as a "Jewish and democratic state".

It was during a heated debate on that bill last Wednesday that Haim Oron, leader of the left-wing Meretz party, declared: "Have you lost all faith in Israel as a Jewish and democratic state? This crazy government, what on earth are you doing? A thought police? Have you all lost it?" And Roni Bar-On, who was the centrist Kadima finance minister in the last government, asked the promoters: "You want to punish people for talking? Soon, will you want to punish for thoughts?"

A third bill which is expected to come before the ministerial legislative committee tomorrow would enforce a "loyalty oath" on those seeking Israeli citizenship. The idea of the oath was a centrepiece of the election campaign waged by Avigdor Lieberman, leader of the hardline Yisrael Beiteinu party who is now foreign minister.

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by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 05:44:28 PM EST
Nah, I get only one then I'm banned again. There's no legitimate reason for the banning.

Will have to get another yahoo mail address and join again. This was a fun 'black humor' diary (well, at least the title is), wish I could've shared it with the large and often naive audience there.

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 08:23:27 PM EST
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did you consider changing your nickname? at least you'll have longer spells of "life" there unless you cross post diaries in other popular blogs under old name and then what they will do? you can also consider total change of personality or you cherish "fairleft" trademark?

right now they have been criticized by some bloggers that they have policy of suppressing I/P diaries, not even one was rescued or was frontpaged. So far moderators have been denying that they adopted any such policy so bloggers continue to write numerous diaries on topic, from both sides of divide. however i noticed that many such diaries attract the same crowd.

by FarEasterner on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 09:36:50 PM EST
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Yes, they suppress P diaries.

No, I've decided not to respect the unofficial policy of "you can come back if you hide your identity and don't be a nuisance." I'm fairleft, it's distasteful to pretend there's something wrong with my identity and that it needs to be hidden. I've done nothing wrong, and it's informative for the naive newbies there to see how I'm treated. The meta of that right-wing, Kafkaesque censorship regime might be more important than whatever one of my diaries there is on the surface about.

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 12:32:48 AM EST
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Let me put forward a different argument:

KOS is not first of all a progressive site. KOS is an organ of the Democratic Party of the United States. Its purpose is to elect Democrats of a "left" leaning nature. The means to do so is KOS. Frankly, your IP diaries, as all IP diaries are a threat to the Democratic Party. They raise deep questions about the astoundingly bizarre role every elected leader - democrat and republican - engages in on this topic.

For the Democratic Party, there is no upside to IP. One doesn't want to be seen as "censoring", but also one does not wish to embarrass the entire Democratic party. Sure, we can make an argument about expediency vs. long term strategy, but that's not politics in the US as far as I can tell.

If they run this right the worst case scenario is  - daily KOS will be pro Palestine shortly before the Democrats start coming out pro Palestine, and the Republicans will have egg on their faces. If they are unlucky, the Republicans will come out as pro Palestine before the democrats, and wouldn't that be a mess?

The best case scenario is that the IP issue remains static - or happily solves itself in spite of Daily KOS.

You and your IP diaries do not help the Democratic Party.

You are not "censored" - you are a "troll".

aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 09:41:51 AM EST
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You're absolutely right, of course, but the point is surely that KOS have managed to make a lot of people think that it is a progressive site. So posting such diaries there and having them deleted is one way to remind people of what the site really is about. Just don't get too upset when they are deleted.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 10:14:00 AM EST
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The dictionary sez what's being done to me there is censorship. It's extraordinary that you deny that, with your only refuge that somehow being classified within the limitlessly flexible term 'troll' means somehow that I'm not being censored. And that, of course, is the most useful purpose of the term 'troll' for the owners of PTB blogsites.

On the apparent basis for your argument: Kucinich is a Democrat and his public position on Israel and Palestine is more or less mine. But his position is consistently down-sized and attacked by Daily Kos. So, Daily Kos is not what it and you say it is, an 'elect Democrats' machine.

In the end, Daily Kos like all other Democratic Party elite entities, is controlled by the major campaign donations that flow into the party and to its officeholders and hangers on. Further refining what Daily Kos is, is a purpose of my highlighting and challenging the censors there. In the end all honorable and sincere progressives are 'trolls' there, some of us censored now, some of us later.

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 02:31:33 PM EST
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It's extraordinary that you deny that,

I am not sure that I am denying anything. I think that argument I made is a valid argument - and I wanted to hear your response to it. You have chosen to make a very strong statement to Daily KOS, far beyond the Diaries you post, and I wanted to hear more about it. Please don't be too defencive.

I do not have absolute clarity on the issue of banning - believing that I have the right to associate freely with whomever I wish, and outsiders do not have the right to "make themselves heard". Zionists believe that they have a right to hijack any conversation that they wish. That is not true. You are claiming the right to be heard, whether they like it or not.

As GK states, DailyKOS misrepresents themselves. It is also true in the US that the political system, by its design, silences dissident thought in the halls of power, and KOS is very much a part of that system. If you don't get rude, you don't get heard and at some level, if Daily KOS don't like it, maybe they need a different political system.

You are absolutely correct that "troll" is a cover for censorship.

In the end all honorable and sincere progressives are 'trolls' there, some of us censored now, some of us later.

Absolutely - because the purpose is not to be progressive, but to elect left leaning democrats to power. I have an account on DailyKOS that has been dormant for 3? years. I can't get excited about helping to perpetuate a system that I do not support.

Please accept my apologies if you felt attacked - I wanted to challenge your views and hear something deeper. I'm not sure that I see the battle you have chosen as important as you see it, but by all means, let me encourage you to continue as long as you feel that it is worth your while.

The Zionists are not only allowed to do what is forbidden to you, but receive closet assistance. You have a right to be pissed.

aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 04:37:44 PM EST
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When you said

You are not "censored" - you are a "troll".

I don't think it was defensive to think that that meant you rejected the idea that I was being censored.

But I appreciate your thoughts and thinking (except for the word 'too defensive' part). It's a tricky issue when a website becomes -- , as Daily Kos has become -- a semi-public forum for leftists and progressives forced to rest their hopes with the 'left party' in our incorrigibly two-party system. I'm not totally clear on how law and morality should deal with, regulate and construct/preserve the free speech zones of the 21st century; I suppose I'm fine with some censorship, maybe for example just of those trying to destroy the site with repetitive 'spam' type posts.

But I know that generally leftists need to strengthen the idea and reality of public forums and semi-public forums (whatever they are), and fight the privatization of citizens' main spaces for public and political discussion, i.e., big sites like Kos, which we diarists and commenters do by far most of the work creating for ourselves.

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 11:47:05 PM EST
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DKos is often an extremely good source of information, but because its purpose is to elect Democrats it is not a place for debate.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 03:13:58 PM EST
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B'nai Brith Canada nailed it. It's 1938 in Israel. It's not the Muslims we need to worry about though.

aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 05:55:15 PM EST
is popular with Russian emigrants which take with them not only Russian language, it seems. Avigdor Lieberman is all over Russian channels alleging Chechen links to organizers of flotilla. In internet forums there are flame wars and there are many sites with obvious pro_israli bias.

All that is not surprising, but I am appalled by position on the issue by so-called Russian Liberals , the most pro-Western groupies, like Yulia Latynina. She could not wait till her next Saturday show on Echo of Moscow radio, so she published article in St Peterburg Times repeating so many lies and deceptions after Charles Krauthammer that in his place I would sue her for plagiarizing.

by FarEasterner on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 09:47:40 PM EST

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasia_Michaeli

This story could not be made up.

by rootless2 on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 10:05:27 PM EST
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uZ1SUREOOQ

From the podium: "We need to vomit her from this Knesset, she's here to represent Hamas, Jihad." (MK Eli Aflalu, Kadima opposition)

Voice over: Knesset security people escorted MK Zuabi before and after the debate in the Knesset for fear of someone trying to beat her

"The blood of those who died - you are the one who murdered them." (MK Julia Shamalov-Berkowitz, Kadima opposition)

"I will say this in Arabic  if I can: go to Gaza traitor (in Arabic), a traitor, that what she is, we don't need traitors here in the Knesset." (MK Mark Regev, Likud coalition)

Voice over: Not only about the flotilla, also beneath the belt:

"One week in Gaza we will see what will happen to you, a single 38-year-old woman woman in gaza we will see how they treat you." (MK Yohanan Plessner Likud coalition)

Voice over: The tall woman trying to attack Zuabi and evicted is Anastasia Michaeli of Israel Beiteinu (Lieberman's party, coalition)

Anastasia Michaeli to the camera: "We should not let a traitor talk in the Knesset. We are a democratic country but there is a limit and we must not let a traitor talk and present the position of the terrorist organisations."

Voice over: The people restrained and taken out of the Knesset after this are Arab MKs Jamal Zakhalka (Balad) and Muhammad Barakeh (Hadash/socialists)

Voice over: Today we reached a new climax in the Israel-Palestinian conflict: We almost came to blows in the Knesset assembly.

More from the podium: "Gilad Shalit is in the hands of those you (plural) represent and you didn't do a thing - bastards." (MK Rotem of Israel Beiteinu)

Jewish MK Ilan Gil'on of Left party Meretz against the right wing crowd: "You are crazy you've gone out of your minds, irresponsible."

Voice over: The Arab MKs defended Zuabi and the mood got even hotter

From the podium, Arab MK Zahalka: "Listen to me well: MK Zuabi deserves a (military) decoration for two reasons. One that she fulfilled her moral and political duty (Interruption from Jewish MK Ben Ari: "She will get Hamas award") against the siege on Gaza." (interruption by Jewish MK Shamalov-Berkowitz).

Voice over: When MK Zuabi got on the podium to talk, the MKs simply didn't let her do so.

Zuabi: "I will say every word that I want to say."

Rivlin, chair of Knesset: "From this moment no interjections. Let her talk. The power of democracy is in our ability to hear. Believe me, I have been in this house for longer than you. This is an emergency hour for the Knesset. The Knesset must be able to complete its debates."

Voice over: One after the other the MKs were evicted from the hall. (5 MKs are evicted.)

Rivlin: "Go outside, calm down, show them where the coffee is outside. Take your time to calm down."

As Zuabi leaves the podium, calls: "Traitor, traitor."

Voice over: The debate was cut short. Zuabi, who kept her cool (`facon') throughout the debate, could even be seen to shed a small tear. A rift was torn between the Arab and Jewish MKs. It is doubtful if anyone will say hello in the corridors of the Knesset when he next sees her.

From the podium, Arieh Eldad (National Union): "The blue and white flag is yours. You are in the Jewish state even if your bowels turn. The hatikva is your national anthem even if your heart twists/is aghast. And if you don't like it - drink the sea of Gaza."

http://intifada-palestine.com/2010/06/arab-member-of-knesset-hanin-zuabi-who-was-on-the-gaza-flotill a-came-yesterday-to-a-knesset-debate-on-the-flotilla-and-was-not-allowed-to-speak

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 01:11:06 AM EST
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((*youtube 8uZ1SUREOOQ))

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 03:11:35 PM EST
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Erdogan also compared the Israeli actions to those of Kurdish militants in Turkey and stood up for Hamas, calling them "resistance fighters fighting for their land".

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/erdogan-tells-israel-in-hebrew-thou-shalt-not-kill-1.2 94186

But the most important thing for Israel in Haaretz is this


Mossad chief Meir Dagan warned this week that Israel is gradually being transformed from an asset to a burden for the Americans.
by rootless2 on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 10:10:01 PM EST
I find it difficult to believe that Israel has been an asset to the US for quite some time.


aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 10:32:32 PM EST
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You may find it difficult to believe because the common mythology is that the "israel lobby" makes the leaders of the world superpower dance to the tune of a minor client state. The sheer improbability of that theory doesn't seem to make anyone less enamored of it.
by rootless2 on Fri Jun 4th, 2010 at 11:40:26 PM EST
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It is probably analytically productive to distinguish between being an asset to the US and being an asset to the people running the US. It is possible to be the latter without being the former, and vice versa.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 12:10:48 AM EST
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There's something to be said for the theory that what matters is campaign donations and similar. Whether what the campaign donators want done burdens the U.S. or not is basically irrelevant (unless things get completely ridiculous, and that point hasn't been reached).

And, btw, on the 'burden' concept goes, military 'burdens' are food for the U.S. military-industrial complex.

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 12:37:46 AM EST
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Israel is a huge market for US arms merchants (no matter how much is actually paid for by Israel), a major reason for the longevity of the Saudi monarchy, and a resource to be used worldwide in propping up other client states. It is also the home in exile of the Republican administration right now. Newt Gingrich and Sheldon "Swiftboat" Adelson are up to their necks in Israeli politics.

http://coteret.com/2010/05/30/gingrich-on-cover-of-adelsons-israeli-daily-us-polices-could-lead-to-a -second-holocaust/

by rootless2 on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 08:29:32 AM EST
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More to the point, campaign donations on one side, and nothing on the other. The NRA may well be much bigger than AIPAC, but there are downsides to following their requests, whereas there's no significant anti-AIPAC lobby.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 10:15:40 AM EST
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J Street is a joke, by the way. They LOL fearlessly demand that Israel investigate itself.

fairleft
by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 02:36:17 PM EST
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No, Mr. Erdogan, the Kurds are like the Gazans and Turkey is like Israel, and Haneen Zuabi's treatment by Israel is like that Leyla Zana suffered in Turkey
In 1991 she became the first Kurdish woman to win a seat in the Turkish parliament. She created a scandal when she spoke Kurdish on the floor of the parliament after being sworn in, as speaking Kurdish in the public arena is a criminal offense in Turkey.[1] The Kurdish language, even when spoken in private, had been illegal for decades in Turkey.[1] Only in that year, 1991, was the Kurdish language finally legalized, though speaking Kurdish remained illegal in public spaces, as Zana was sworn in.[1] Her remarks ended,
I swear by my honor and my dignity before the great Turkish people to protect the integrity and independence of the State, the indivisible unity of people and homeland, and the unquestionable and unconditional sovereignty of the people. I swear loyalty to the Constitution. I take this oath for the brotherhood between the Turkish people and the Kurdish people.[2]
Only the final sentence of the oath was spoken in Kurdish: "I take this oath for the brotherhood between the Turkish people and the Kurdish people."[2]

Although Zana's parliamentary immunity protected her, after she joined the Democracy Party, that party was banned and her immunity was stripped. In December 1994, along with four other Democracy Party MPs (Hatip Dicle, Selim Sadak and Orhan Dogan), she was arrested and charged with treason and membership in the armed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). The treason charges were not put before the court, and Zana denied PKK affiliation; but with the prosecution relying on witness statements allegedly obtained under torture [1], Zana and the others were sentenced to 15 years in prison. At her sentencing, she asserted,

This is a conspiracy. What I am defending is perfectly clear. I don't accept any of these accusations. And, if they were true I'd assume responsibility for them, even if it cost me my life. I have defended democracy, human rights, and brotherhood between peoples. And I'll keep doing so for as long as I live.[2]
She was recognized as a Prisoner of conscience by Amnesty International. In 1994 she was awarded the Rafto Prize, and in 1995, was awarded the Sakharov Prize by the European parliament. She also won the Bruno Kreisky Award. In 1998 her sentence was extended because of a letter she had written that was published in a Kurdish newspaper, which allegedly expressed banned pro-separatist views. While in prison she published a book titled Writings from Prison.
In fact, Turkey's actions are even more outrageous than Israel's in this comparison because all Leyla Zana did was to speak one sentence in Kurdish in the Parliament, whereas Haneen Zuabi was actually attempting to break a blockade by her own government.

Then again, both acts can be seen as nonviolent civil disobedience...

Anyway, clearly Erdogan is applying a double standard here.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 03:20:23 PM EST
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"Anyway, clearly Erdogan is applying a double standard here. "

I also like the allies of Malaysia's insane former PM who are prominent in the freegaza movement, having proven their human rights credentials so convincingly.

by rootless2 on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 03:35:39 PM EST
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Haaretz: Leftist and rightist Israelis clash at Gaza flotilla protest in Tel Aviv
The protest was originally planned by to mark the anniversary of the Six Day War which broke out 43 years ago today. Among the organizers were left wing parties Meretz, Hadash and Peace Now organization. The demonstrators carried banners saying "The government is drowning us all," "We must stride for peace," and "A right wing government = clear and immediate danger to state security."

As the demonstrators marched from the Rabin Square near the city's municipal building toward the Tel Aviv museum several hundred rightist demonstrators followed the procession. Upon their arrival at their final destination the spirits heated up between the two opposing groups, during which they two sides cursed and shouted at each other.

A smoke grenade was also hurled at the left wing demonstrators from an unknown source.



By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 5th, 2010 at 06:14:31 PM EST


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