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A Palestinian state? 'Not today, not tomorrow, not ever'

by shergald Tue Jul 20th, 2010 at 09:07:00 AM EST


English language subtitles begin at 2 minutes, 15 seconds.


The words of Bibi Netanyahu in 2002 about a Palestinian state: 'Not today, not tomorrow, not ever' were spoken only a year after this recorded interview divulged Netanyahu's disdain for Bill Clinton and the Oslo Peace Accords, which had as their alleged purpose the creation of a Palestinian state.

The Institute for Middle East Understanding provided another version of the highly publicized 2001 Netanyahu interview, an English translation of his controversial comments recently made public by Israel's Channel 10. Apparently, unaware he was being recorded, Netanyahu's candid remarks about America and the peace process leave many questioning how seriously his professed desire for peace with the Palestinians can be taken today.

Dismissing America as "a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction", Netanyahu bragged about how he "stopped" the Oslo peace process and Palestinian statehood. Comments made before and after this 2001 interview betray a similar lack of interest in serious peacemaking:

In a 2002 speech before the Likud Central Committee, he said of a Palestinian state, "Not today, not tomorrow, not ever."

In a September 2008 interview, he said that, if elected Prime Minister, he "will not volunteer concessions and the removal of Jewish communities."

Yet, none of this right wing Likud rhetoric is new.

The Bible of Israel's Likud party which is now in power, its political platform vis a vis the Palestinians, is precisely what has been happening for the past 43 years: the nullification of Palestinian statehood through military occupation and colonialism.

Here's the The Likud Party Platform

PEACE AND SECURITY

1. Declaration of a Palestinian State: A unilateral Palestinian declaration of the establishment of a Palestinian state will constitute a fundamental and substantive violation of the agreements with the State of Israel and the scuttling of the Oslo and Wye accords. The government will adopt immediate stringent measures in the event of such a declaration.

2. Settlements: The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria [West Bank] and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

3. The Permanent Status: The overall objectives for the final status with the Palestinians are: to end the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians on the basis of a stable, sustainable agreement and replace confrontation with cooperation and good neighborliness, while safeguarding Israel's vital interests as a secure and prosperous Zionist and Jewish state.

4. Self-Rule: The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan River. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs.

4. Jerusalem: Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem, including the plan to divide the city.

5. The Jordan River as a Permanent Border: The Jordan Valley and the territories that dominate it shall be under Israeli sovereignty. The Jordan River will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel. The Kingdom of Jordan is a desirable partner in the permanent status arrangement between Israel and the Palestinians in matters that will be agreed upon.

6. Security Areas: The government succeeded in significantly reducing the extent of territory that the Palestinians expected to receive in the interim arrangement.

The Likud platform essentially leaves the Palestinian people in a kind of limbo, which some (like Jimmy Carter) propose is nothing less than an Apartheid existence, a collection of bantustans within an Israel that extends from the Jordan River to the sea. It is not unlike what existed for Black South Africans under the Afrikaaner government before the 1990s.

Likud's intent to nullify Palestinian freedom and independence is also found in the document, A Clean Break, a plan developed by American Neocons for the first Netanyahu government in 1996, when Netanyahu claimed 'no land for peace, peace for peace'. That perspective is what drives Netanyahu and Likud policy today.

There is nothing that Netanyahu has proposed today to suggest that his view of peace with the Palestinians has changed. It is better to give 2% than to give 100%, and that is precisely what Netanyahu has in mind even before direct negotiations with the Palestinians are underway. Since his election, Netanyahu has publicly declared that East Jerusalem, the Jordan Valley, the border area with Jordan, and the settlement lands are not negotiable.

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JULY 20, 2010

"PEACE ENVOY" BLAIR GETS AN EASY RIDE IN THE INDEPENDENT

Last month, the Independent carried an interview with Tony Blair, the former British prime minister and now "the international community's Middle East envoy." (Donald Macintyre, 'Tony Blair: Former PM urges Israel to ease Gaza blockade', Independent, June 4, 2010; http://www.independent.co.uk/n...

Taken literally, the "international community" refers to the UN General Assembly, or perhaps to a majority of its members. But in media Newspeak, the term stands for the United States joined by its allies and clients. As Noam Chomsky has noted: "Accordingly, it is a logical impossibility for the United States to defy the international community." (Chomsky, 'The Crimes of "Intcom"', Foreign Policy, September 2002; http://www.chomsky.info/articl...

As for the "peace process" being facilitated by the "peace envoy", Gideon Levy, a columnist in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, comments:

"The masked ball is at its peak: Preening each other, Obama and Netanyahu have proved that even their heavy layer of makeup can no longer hide the wrinkles. The worn-out, wizened old face of the longest 'peace process' in history has been awarded another surprising and incomprehensible extension. It's on its way nowhere." (Levy, 'An excellent meeting', Haaretz, July 8, 2010; http://www.haaretz.com/print-e...

Read on: http://www.medialens.org/

A masked ball, indeed.

by shergald on Tue Jul 20th, 2010 at 09:25:51 AM EST
So may I ask: why are we all pretending that something like peace will happen? Certainly the Palestinians are continuing with the pretense: Abbas says no direct negotiations until 'borders' are predetermined. Of course. Borders is now the only issue because it will clearly put Israel in the hot seat. And that's why there will be no direct talks: Netayahu is not going there because it would undermine the ruse that is the Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations.


by shergald on Tue Jul 20th, 2010 at 09:30:49 AM EST
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Since it's official consensus Israeli policy that there will never be a real two-state solution, West Bank Palestinians (instead of acting as if reviving the anti-peace peace process will do anything other than buy PR victories and time for Israel) should fight for democracy within the entity that now rules them: Israel. They can get around to changing the name later, but that's not a big deal.

fairleft
by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Tue Jul 20th, 2010 at 01:54:06 PM EST
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I'm not pretending. Israel has no interest in peace and will only change its course when made to by the USA and hell will freeze before that happens.

I don't even believe that the Palestinians think it is possible. It's just that they know they will be bombed heavily if they acknowledge there is no point pretending, while only being bombed occasionally if they continue.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 20th, 2010 at 01:54:24 PM EST
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Sad to agree with you Helen, but those are the choices. It was Jeff Halper (ICAHD) who predicted the Apartheid outcome several years ago, who said, I just hope that they (Israelis) don't decimate them (Palestinians). I suppose that he sees another Intifada coming when Israel finally annexes the territories, minus the bantustans. The Walls will eventually arise around them, and we will see a replication of Gaza several times over.

by shergald on Tue Jul 20th, 2010 at 07:24:11 PM EST
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The apartheid comparison goes back way beyond Halper.
At the onset of international "Israel Apartheid Week" in solidarity with the embattled Palestinian people, I want to start by quoting a South African who emphatically stated as far back as 1963 that "Israel is an apartheid state." Those were not the words of Nelson Mandela, Archbishop Tutu or Joe Slovo, but were uttered by none other than the architect of apartheid itself, racist Prime Minister, Dr. Hendrik Verwoerd.

He was irked by the criticism of apartheid policy and Harold Macmillan's "Winds of Change" speech , in contrast to the West's unconditional support for Zionist Israel.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Jul 21st, 2010 at 01:28:44 AM EST
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That timeframe puts it before the 1967 war and the beginnings of the occupation and colonization process. For all practical purposes, the occupation/colonization has created a Apartheid configuration in the West Bank. But as far as Israel proper is concerned, the setup is de jure Jim Crow segregation of Arab Israelis (Palestinians with citizenship) and Jewish Israelis.

But it is interesting that a South African Afrikaaner could claim that Israel was an Apartheid state at that time, in a sense asking: why us and not them? It reminds me the occasional reply seen against Israel's critics, which claims that Israel is being singled out, while other nations, like Sudan or Myanmar are given a free ride. Why us and not them? Must be anti-Semitism.

by shergald on Wed Jul 21st, 2010 at 09:15:55 AM EST
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The Palestinians lived under military rule until 1966, so Apartheid was actually a reasonable term to use at that time.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Jul 21st, 2010 at 09:18:26 AM EST
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It was called martial law, occupation essentially, which was dropped in 1966. Thanks for the history lesson.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#1949-1966

by shergald on Wed Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:43:33 PM EST
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WARNING! Unofficial eurotrib quota system may be violated if you post an 'Israel diary in the next several hours. Since I've just posted a diary about the wacky and racist Israeli legal system.  ;-}

fairleft
by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Wed Jul 21st, 2010 at 02:09:27 PM EST
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No problem. I usually hold off if an IP diary gets onto the rec list. Yours may make it.

by shergald on Wed Jul 21st, 2010 at 08:51:52 PM EST
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There is no such "unofficial quota".

Both you and shergald need to make up your minds if you want to participate here or just use ET as a bulletin board while criticising, whining, and spreading lies about it.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 at 01:16:01 AM EST
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Crossposting diaries is a common phenomenon here as elsewhere on member contributing sites, and as far as I can tell, there are no rules against it.

In fact, crossposting is usually welcomed as diaries tend to enrich the topics and content a site has to offer beyond the frontpage. Borderjumpers, for example, posts their daily fare on Africa on at least five sites I am aware of, and they do not even go as far as to monitor or respond to comments. I have no problem with that myself. I'm certain their diaries are read by many here interested in Africa and its economic problems. Remember that for every active member, there are 20 others, the so-called 'lurkers,' who come here for information.

Why do these meta issues keep coming back recently, after years of operation like a typical political site. That's something you should ask yourself.

by shergald on Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 at 07:37:36 AM EST
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shergald:
Why do these meta issues keep coming back

Ask fairleft about the "unofficial quota".

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 at 08:02:35 AM EST
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I am cognizant about not overwhelming the site with IP and at present will not post a diary if one is on the rec list, anyone's. That awareness came from Jerome and I respect it. So that is my unofficial quota.

It would help if more members posted diaries during the lean summer months. It would also help if members did not rec IP diaries, and that seems to be one way of reducing their saliency.

by shergald on Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 at 08:49:52 AM EST
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Why do these meta issues keep coming back recently, after years of operation like a typical political site.

  1. For two years nobody paid you any attention. Then there was a big media splash in a topic that coincided with your advertising, and people started paying attention.

  2. You made a big production out of the fact that you were told to comply with long-standing site policy. Making a big production out of not wanting to comply with site policy is a really good way to increase the vigilance of the people enforcing it.

  3. You keep whining about it, even in threads where nobody else has brought up the subject. It's sort of ballsy to complain that meta issues keep coming up when you're the one who keeps bringing them up...

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 at 08:36:14 AM EST
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You claimed this before. This time I'll just pass.

by shergald on Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 at 08:52:04 AM EST
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Humorlessness noted.

fairleft
by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 at 03:51:06 PM EST
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Cry me a river.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 at 03:58:54 PM EST
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Smear noted.

;}

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 at 04:08:17 PM EST
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should re-name itself in recognition of what is really going on. South Africa had 10 Bantustans; if that's not enough, Southwest Africa (now Namibia) had another 10.

Bantustans in South Africa

The homelands are listed below with the ethnic group for which each homeland was designated. Four were nominally independent (the so-called TVBC states of the Transkei, Venda, Bophuthatswana and the Ciskei). The other six had limited self-government:

 Transkei -- declared independent on 26 October 1976
 Bophuthatswana -- declared independent on 6 December 1977
 Venda -- declared independent 13 September 1979
 Ciskei -- declared independent on 4  December 1981
 Gazankulu
 KaNgwane
 KwaNdebele
 KwaZulu
 Lebowa
 QwaQwa . . .

Bantustans in South West Africa

Beginning in 1968, and following the 1964 recommendations of the commission headed by Fox Odendaal, homelands (or Bantustans) similar to those in South Africa were established in South West Africa (present-day Namibia). In July 1980 the system was changed to one of separate governments on the basis of ethnicity only, and not geography. These governments were abolished in May 1989 at the start of the transition to independence. Of the ten homelands established in South West Africa, only four were granted self-government.

The bantustans were:

 Basterland
 Bushmanland
 Damaraland
 East Caprivi (self rule 1976)
 Hereroland (self-rule 1970)
 Kaokoland
 Kavangoland (self-rule 1973)
 Namaland
 Ovamboland (self-rule 1973)
 Tswanaland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantustan#List_of_Bantustans

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Tue Jul 20th, 2010 at 02:57:42 PM EST
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Thanks for the history lesson. You would think that Israelis would have learned from them, most of all before anyone else.

by shergald on Tue Jul 20th, 2010 at 07:25:29 PM EST
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Want proof that nothing has changed? I could only post about a third of the headlines reported by Mondoweiss today. Same old shit.

Hebron settler on motorbike rams 11-year-old Palestinian boy and soldiers kill Gaza mom who goes into `buffer zone' to fetch her two-year-old
by Seham on July 19, 2010

And other news from Today in Palestine:

Land theft and destruction/Ethnic cleansing

Barghouthi: 100 Settlement Units Underway in Beit Jala
Israel recently began construction on 100 new settlement units in the southern West Bank district of Bethlehem, Palestinian lawmaker Mustafa Barghouthi announced Sunday.  The latest settlement construction is underway on Palestinian land in the towns of Beit Jala and Al-Walaja, as US Middle East envoy visits the region for the latest round of indirect talks with Israeli and Palestinian leaders, Barghouthi said.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/spip/spip.php?article1486

IOA planning to demolish 40 houses in Jordan Valley
Israeli occupation forces handed ten new demolition notices to citizens in Bardala village in the Jordan Valley on Sunday bringing the total number of similar notices to 40 since the start of July.
http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/En/default.aspx?xyz=U6

Israeli occupation government to increase structure demolitions
The Israeli government has ordered the Civil Administration to increase enforcement against what it believes to be illegal construction in area C of the West Bank.
http://www.imemc.org/article/59155

State eyes 'legal' takeover of abandoned East Jerusalem properties, Akiva Eldar
Pending court approval, government could assume control over properties of people who moved to enemy states during the War of Independence, as well as structures that belong to people now residing in the territories.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/state-eyes-legal-takeover-of-abandoned-east-jerusalem-prop erties-1.302694

Israeli minister to lay West Bank foundation stone
JERUSALEM (AFP) - Israel's interior minister and deputy prime minister, Elie Yishai, is to lay the foundation stone of a new administrative centre for Jewish settlements in the West Bank, his office announced on Sunday.  It said the ceremony would take place on Thursday, at a time when the international community has called on Israelis and Palestinians to abstain from any action which could hamper peace efforts.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100718/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictsettlerwestbank_20100718161338;_y lc=X3oDMTEwbjhsc3FlBF9TAzIwMjM4Mjc1MjQEZW1haWxJZAMxMjc5NDg3MTgx

The brain tumor method of leaving Gaza, Amira Hass
There are about 35,000 Palestinians who live in the West Bank but are registered as Gazans. Due to Israel's successful 20-year-old policy of isolating the population of the Strip, they are in permanent danger of deportation.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/the-brain-tumor-method-of-leaving-gaza-1.302722

Solidarity/Activism/Boycott, Sanctions & Divestment

Bloggers get Palestinian village water
Israeli activists hold online campaign to convince authorities to connect village to water supply.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3921620,00.html

Pictures from Beit Ummar: One Journalist Arrested, Two Injured
Israeli soldiers arrested one journalist and injured two others at Beit Ummar's Saturday protest calling for access to village land and the dismantling of nearby settlements. Beit Ummar is a Palestinian town located 11 kilometers northwest of Hebron. In the last years, the local Popular Commitee has organised weekly protests against the Israeli occupation and the theft of the agricultural land.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/spip/spip.php?article1487

Several wounded in anti-wall protest in Bil'in
Two Palestinian citizens were injured and dozens of suffocations occurred due to the attacks of the Israeli military forces to the participants in the weekly anti-wall protest in the town of Bil'in west of Ramallah on Friday.
http://www.imemc.org/article/59142

The resistance continues in protests across Palestine
(ISM Palestine), Al Ma'sara  (Friday 16 July), On the anniversary of the French Revolution, the theme of the protest in Al Ma'sara on Friday was the destruction of the prison in which Israel holds Palestinians captive, redolent of the French storming of the Bastille in 1789. Around 50 demonstrators, both Palestinians and internationals, marched towards the main entrance of the village to call for an end to the construction of the illegal Apartheid Wall and the illegal settlement of Efrat, which surrounds the village and severs the inhabitants from their land. The Israeli army, without any provocation, responded viciously to the non-violent protest.
http://palsolidarity.org/2010/07/13041/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=F eed%3A+palsolidarity+%28International+Solidarity+Movement%29

Nabi Saleh demands access to water
July 18th, 2010-- Israeli Occupation Forces suppress the march condemning the stealing of Palestinian water. This summer, Nabi Saleh, like a lot of other Palestinian communities has perpetually endured hardships as they have often been cut off from water for days at a time.
http://stopthewall.org/latestnews/2322.shtml

Bil'in: protest commemorates activist in the popular resistance
July 18th, 2010-- The protest was dedicated to the memory of Khaled al-Azzeh. Al-Azzeh was a member of the Popular Struggle Front politburo and part of the popular committee against the Wall and the settlements in Bethlehem. He was killed in a car accident 40 days ago.
http://stopthewall.org/latestnews/2321.shtml

Israel imprisoned my father for nonviolently resisting the occupation
On 12 January 2010 my father Ibrahim was arrested by the Israeli army and sentenced to two years in prison for organizing and participating in nonviolent protests against the Israel's wall in the occupied West Bank. The wall cuts us off from our land and our olive groves, robbing our family of its livelihood. Saeed Amireh writes from Nilin, occupied West Bank.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article11399.shtml?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&ut m_campaign=Feed%3A+electronicIntifadaPalestine+%28Electronic+Intifada+%3A+Palestine+News%29

Open Letter to John Lydon: 'Rise' against Racism
Dear John Lydon,  We are academics and students from Gaza representing more than 10 academic institutions therein. Our parents and grandparents are refugees who were expelled from their homes by the nascent Israeli army in the 1948 Nakba. We have since lived in the ghetto of the Gaza Strip refugee camps, like the more than 6 million Palestinian refugees all round the world. They still have their keys locked up in their closets and will pass them on to their children. UN resolution 194 guarantees our right to return our villages. Many of us have lost our fathers, some of us have lost our mothers, and some of us lost both in the last Israeli aggression against civilians in Gaza.
http://palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=16146

Siege Related Deaths/Violence/Aggression
Rafah tunnel worker killed by electric shock
Gaza - Ma'an - A tunnel worker was killed Sunday night after he was electrocuted while working in the tunnel complex along the Gaza-Egypt border in Rafah, medics said.  Chief of ambulance and emergency services in Gaza Muawiya Hassanein identified the worker as as 22-year-old Imad Assaf from Jabaliya in the northern Gaza Strip.  Assaf's body was taken to the Abu Yousef An-Najjar Hospital in Rafah, Hassanein added.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=300620

Report: "Soldiers Killed 5 Palestinians In Gaza in June"
The Al Mezan Center for Human Rights, based in Gaza, issued a report on the Israeli violations in the Gaza Strip in June and stated that Israeli soldiers continued their attacks and killed five Palestinians in different part of the Gaza Strip.
http://www.imemc.org/article/59149

Israeli flees scene of car crash in Hebron
Hebron - Ma'an - Palestinian Authority security sources said an Israeli driver, believed to be a resident of an illegal West Bank settlement, fled the scene of a crash Monday after colliding with a Palestinian car on a bypass road near Hebron.  Palestine Red Crescent Society paramedics said Mustafa Daraghma, from Jenin in the northern West Bank, was injured in the crash and was evacuated to Hebron's Al-Ahli Hospital for treatment of extensive bruising.  A hospital representative described Daraghma's injuries as ranging from moderate to light.  On Sunday, an 11-year-old boy was struck down by an Israeli settler driving a motorcycle in Hebron's Old City.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=300662

Child Wounded In Hebron
Palestinian medical sources in Hebron, in the southern part of the West Bank, reported on Sunday evening that a Palestinian child was wounded after a settler rammed him with his speeding motorcycle in the Al Sahla Street, in the Old City.
http://www.imemc.org/article/59147

Medics prevented from treating dying Palestinian mother
A MOTHER of five was killed by Israeli artillery fire when she went to fetch her two-year-old son from outside her village home close to the "buffer zone" created by Israel along its border with Gaza.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/0717/1224274901113.html

IOF raids Bethlehem, no detentions were reported
Bethlehem, July 19, 2010 (Pal Telegraph) - Israeli occupation forces raided today number of neighborhoods in the city of Bethlehem in the south of the occupied West Bank, no detentions were reported.  Israeli occupation forces raided the area of Berak Soliman and prevented the Palestinian police from moving in the area to do its duties, local sources said.  Israeli occupation forces obstructed the citizens' movement at the entrance of Bait Tamor village near Bethlehm where an accident took place between two settlers' cars.
http://www.paltelegraph.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6743:iof-raids-beth lehem-no-detentions-were-reported&catid=59:west-bank&Itemid=135

IOF raids Balata camp in Nablus
Nablus, July 18, 2010 (Pal Telegraph) - Israeli occupation forces raided Sunday Balata refugee camp in the city of Nablus in the north of the occupied West Bank, no detentions were reported.  Witnesses said that nine military troops of Israeli occupation forces raided Balata refugee camp at 2 a.m.  The occupation forces withdrew after two hours of raiding the, the witnesses added.  Israeli forces raids the West Bank on a daily basis under the pretext of searching for what they call "wanted Palestinians".
http://www.paltelegraph.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6737:iof-raids-bala ta-camp-in-nablus&catid=59:west-bank&Itemid=135

Israeli forces invade Nablus and nearby villages
In the pre-dawn hours on Saturday, Israeli forces invaded the northern West Bank city of Nablus, as well as the nearby villages of Zawata and Asira, raiding several homes and interrogating residents, then returning to the military base with no arrests.
http://www.imemc.org/article/59144

Israeli Injustice System:  IDF soldier who shot British peace activist to be released from jail
IDF committee cuts sentence of former soldier Taysir-al-Heib who was found guilty of manslaughter in the 2003 death of British peace activist Thomas Hurndall in the Gaza Strip.

Read the rest here: http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/hebron-settler-on-motorbike-rams-11-year-old-palestinian-boy-and-soldi ers-kill-gaza-mom-who-goes-into-buffer-zone-to-fetch-her-two-year-old.html?utm_source=feedburner& ;utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+feedburner%2FWDBc+%28Mondoweiss%29

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by DoDo on Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 at 10:08:21 AM EST
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The 3 paragraph rule also pertains to 'fair use' under copyright laws, and I've seen it posted elsewhere. Still, I am seeing LQDs posted that exceed this rule and do so without permissions.


by shergald on Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 at 10:21:02 AM EST
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The 3 paragraph rules of other sites are the rules of other sites. And I don't remember anyone else but you who objected when being asked to keep this rule.

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Remember that the 3 paragraph rule says, "ideally," which is meant to say that there are exceptions when it cannot be followed, when there is material that is too important.

In any case, I assume that "ideally" is taken literally as I have seen LQD diaries in which entire articles are published, if piecemeal, but far beyond 3 pragraphs, and some of those diaries have hit the rec list. Very interesting.

by shergald on Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 at 12:44:09 PM EST
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[ET Moderation Technology™]

Please do not split hairs. Though more substantial quotes might be tolerated as exceptions, your comment comprised 24 separate paragraphs: an egregious overstepping of both the letter and the spirit of the NUG and the Editorial Policy (particularly as you added virtually no substantive commentary of your own!).

Please comply with the quotation guidelines set out in the NUG.


The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 at 05:10:47 PM EST
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That's amazing (in a bad way). And what's the time frame: just in the past few days?

fairleft
by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Wed Jul 21st, 2010 at 11:59:59 AM EST
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Yeap. We are just not getting news about these local items in the US, except through internet sites like Mondoweiss.

by shergald on Wed Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:46:23 PM EST
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If Israel truly wants to be part of the West then it will have to end its occupation of Palestinian territories, said Christopher Hitchens. He accused Israelis of being "unbelievably irresponsible"

In order for Israel to become part of the alliance against whatever we want to call it, religious barbarism, theocratic, possibly thermonuclear theocratic or nuclear theocratic aggression, it can't, it'll have to dispense with the occupation. It's as simple as that.

It can be, you can think of it as a kind of European style, Western style country if you want, but it can't govern other people against their will. It can't continue to steal their land in the way that it does every day. And it's unbelievably irresponsible of Israelis, knowing the position of the United States and its allies are in around the world, to continue to behave in this unconscionable way. And I'm afraid I know too much about the history of the conflict to think of Israel as just a tiny, little island surrounded by a sea of ravening wolves and so on. I mean, I know quite a lot about how that state was founded, and the amount of violence and dispossession that involved. And I'm a prisoner of that knowledge. I can't un-know it.



by shergald on Wed Jul 21st, 2010 at 08:49:25 PM EST
Just caught this piece on myDD: "Israel is regional bully with nuclear weapons"

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is continuing to divide the Middle East. RT sat down with journalist and author Jonathan Cook who says that Israel actually benefits from the division.

The Jewish population in Tehran is at least 20,000, maybe 30,000 people, and when they talk about their lives there, they seem very comfortable. If Iran had a kind of racial hatred against Jews, if the Iranian regime was just a symbol of a ‘new Hitler regime’, the Nazis, why would they not be starting with their own population?” Jonathan Cook says.

The reason why Israel can't allow Iran to have nuclear weapons is because if Iran developed its own nuclear arsenal, it would totally change the balance of power in the Middle East, he says. At the moment Israel is the regional bully, it has its own nuclear weapons, it can pull them out as it has done several times in the past, most notably during the 1973 war when it threatened the US that it might use those weapons if it wasn't rearmed and that is why the Americans had to come in and intervene. It has that kind of ability to pressure America and terrorize the rest of the neighborhood, if you like, because it has nuclear weapons.




by shergald on Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 at 09:54:30 AM EST


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