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by ceebs Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 11:53:03 AM EST

Surfaces from the Briny depths...


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Avast there ye lubbers.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 11:53:38 AM EST
Arr, me hearties!

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 11:57:00 AM EST
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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 12:03:49 PM EST
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I love that film.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 06:11:25 PM EST
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Friday Open Thread's alter ego is Cthulhu?

by Magnifico on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 12:03:24 PM EST
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By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 12:17:25 PM EST
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This is my kind of pirate music



keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:09:31 PM EST
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What makes a pirate happy is not the pieces of eight but the saucy wenches and the rum you can get with them...

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 06:32:08 PM EST
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Before we get too carried away, people should know Talk Like a Pirate Day is on September 19...

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 12:18:42 PM EST
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Ah but I've been dealing with the Privatised part of the Benefit system today, some of whose staff would only be more piratical if they had a hook hand and a parrot. (Today I had one of the nice ones, but a meeting with them leaves me with several hours of feeling vaguely suspicious about if they were up to anything)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 12:31:35 PM EST
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Can't they move it forward to cause confusion at the paris meetup ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:07:13 PM EST
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The Tony Blair A journey picture that was linked to a couple of days ago here, is Now the first thing that comes up if you google Tony Blairs new book .

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 11:58:20 AM EST
AP: Germany leads eurozone to stronger growth

The economy of the 16 countries that use the euro grew by a better-than-expected 1 percent during the second quarter as growth engine Germany expanded at its fastest pace since reunification two decades ago.

Thursday's quarter-on-quarter figures show the eurozone grew at its fastest rate in nearly four years -- and faster than the U.S. during the same quarter.

That defied expectations from just a couple of months ago, when Europe was threatened by a severe government debt crisis. The U.S. grew by 0.6 percent during the April to June period compared to the previous quarter.

The eurozone beat market forecasts for a 0.7 percent rise and topped the muted 0.2 percent growth from the first quarter.

Germany, Europe's biggest economy, led the way as its economy grew by a very strong 2.2 percent in the second quarter compared to the quarter before as exporters reaped the benefits of a recovery in global demand.

But, wait for it...

Still, many economists think the second quarter will be as good as it gets for the eurozone this year.

Europe is still doomed.™

by Magnifico on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 12:09:13 PM EST
The speed of light is 186,000 miles/second.

The force of gravity is 9.8 meters/second^2.

[Europe.Is.Doomed™ Alert]

My Concern Troll Concern of the Day are all the European ET members who have been reduced to eating gravel.  I think those of us outside Yurup should consider establishing a formal system of relief to provide proper nourishment and, perhaps, insulted tents for the up-coming winter.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:09:34 PM EST
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ATinNM:
insulted tents

To add insult to injury?

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char

by Melanchthon on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:32:52 PM EST
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As an experienced Emergency Responder I know the value of insulted tents, they stand firm in solidarity with the proletariat working masses when other tents are blown away by the winds of Left-Wing Infantile Disorders or Right Wing Deviationism.

Or I misspelled "insulated."

One or the other.

Or not.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:40:24 PM EST
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Reading your comment, I had a vision of tents with Europe-bashing slogans printed inside and outside to remind Europeans they are punished by the Market Gods for being bad believers...

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 02:01:13 PM EST
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LOL!

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 04:18:05 PM EST
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Gravel can be perfectly nice providing it's properly cooked.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 04:40:12 PM EST
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crunchy mudpies are the business.

the secret's in the sauce.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 07:26:59 PM EST
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Journalism Warning Labels « Tom Scott

It seems a bit strange to me that the media carefully warn about and label any content that involves sex, violence or strong language -- but there's no similar labelling system for, say, sloppy journalism and other questionable content.

I figured it was time to fix that, so I made some stickers. I've been putting them on copies of the free papers that I find on the London Underground. You might want to as well.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 12:19:30 PM EST
I just assume that if it's free, it's without value

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 02:59:34 PM EST
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Ah, you're beginning to grasp the essentials of Neo-Classical Economics!

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 03:06:14 PM EST
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Debate over the Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, signed into law by President Obama on July 21, has focused on the creation of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau that will bring notable improvements for U.S. consumers. But the more obscure derivatives section of the law contains reforms that will help stabilize global food and energy prices-changes that will especially benefit the poorest communities around the world.


"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 12:46:09 PM EST
Too many people still clinging to the convenient notion that commodity prices are going up because of speculation. Convenient because it avoids asking harder questions about resource availability - and about other ways than market prices to ration what will become rarer goods.

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:40:58 PM EST
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Jerome a Paris:
Too many people still clinging to the convenient notion that commodity prices are going up because of speculation.

True,but that doesn't mean that, in some cases, speculation can't play a significant role.

Citizen Coalition Scores Victory Against Food Speculation - By Dave Kane - CIP Americas

According to hedge fund manager Michael Masters, institutional investors (pension funds, university endowments, etc.) increased their investments in commodities futures from $13 billion in 2003 to $260 billion in March 2008...

Testifying before Congress, Masters said, "In 1998, the average commodity derivatives market was about 25% speculative... By 2008, speculators comprised about 65% of [commodity markets]. Bona fide physical hedgers [farmers and businesses who actually work with physical commodities] once outnumbered speculators [people in the commodity markets just to make money off money with no interest in actually receiving the physical goods] by 3 to 1; now speculators outnumber hedgers 2 to 1. The positions of bona fide physical hedgers doubled during this ten-year period, while the positions of speculators rose by 1200%."



"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 02:24:22 PM EST
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In the coarse grain market the holders of the commodity, e.g., wheat, include Price Expectation when accepting the spot price. It has been noted many times, when arbitrage is not possible or the Supply/Demand curve is out of whack ... or market players think it is ... rational pricing is impossible and current information (news) or what market participants accept as information (rumor) has a great affect on all sides of trading.

In other words, if your wheat is now selling for $3/bushel and the Future and Option pricing is saying it's worth $5/bushel in six months you either hold for the $5 spot price or forward-sell for the 5 bucks.  Or, may be, hang on and hope/think the price will go to $6.

Reality will, eventually, led to some sort of "rational" prices but a clever operator can make a ton of money, just like in the recent Greek/Euro foo-foo, by betting the trend and getting out before it crashes back.

The potential for massive Third World starvation is one of those 'externalities' everybody ignores.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 03:01:38 PM EST
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I characterise speculators as investors aiming for transaction profits, and they may achieve these whether a market is rising or falling, by going 'long' or 'short', respectively. Hedge funds are classic speculators, as are the proprietary desks of investment banks, and intermediary traders/market-makers.

Speculators are both the cause and beneficiaries of volatility.

But I think that a very large part of what has been occurring, and is continuing to occur, in the commodity markets is the complete opposite of speculation.

The tens of billions of dollars which have flooded into commodity markets via funds such as the GSCI index fund, and the plethora of Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs) consists of money which is not in search of a transaction profit, but rather is seeking to avoid loss.

This is what happens when dollar interest rates are at the zero bound: dollars flood into anything other than dollars, and the fact that the asset class is not interest or dividend bearing is of course irrelevant.

So on one side of the market we have producers hedging, by off loading commodity risk, in favour of dollars: on the other side of the market we have 'inflation hedgers' - NOT speculators - who are offloading dollar risk in favour of commodity risk.

Note that unlike true speculators, these market participants are 'long only' and do not benefit from volatility. The liquidity they provide to markets is in fact beneficial.

The problem is that producers are able to borrow - via financial intermediaries - at zero interest rates by leasing commodities to ETFs in return for a dollar loan. They are also able to support the market price at an artificially high level, which is what producers have always done if they could, typically by stockpiling production with borrowed money.

The 1985 tin crisis is one example; also the cocoa and coffee cartels.

The most important example was the massive market manipulation of copper by Yasuo Hamanaka. On behalf of Sumitomo, he manipulated the copper market for 5 years before David Threlkeld blew the whistle and THEN for another five years until the regulators finally caught on.

The oil market price - being completely financialised - has mainly been held at or near the upper bound where 'demand destruction' sets in, after an initial lapse from $147 to $30. In my view the Saudis are now able to keep the oil price pegged against the dollar - for all the world like a Central Oil Bank - using 'financial oil leasing' techniques.

Only serious oversupply or higher interest rates can disturb this current unstable equilibrium, I think.

The natural gas market, which is not financialised in the same way as crude oil, is bouncing around the lower bound where 'production destruction' sets in, and this is why the gas price has diverged from its historic relationship with crude oil prices.

That's my thesis anyway, which I have now exposed fairly widely, and no-one has yet come up with a convincing counter-argument.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 05:01:41 PM EST
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Silly me. Here I thought that the vast preponderance of the propaganda effort was going into the "There Is No Alternative To Business As Usual" campaign.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 04:23:19 PM EST
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So, the backdrop

Fight Malaria, want to
Must Weaponize, tech company says
Must Watch The Enemy
Must Film In Action with laser lit water vapor to study flows
Must show off being able to laser-zap, nay, smoke de bastads

Animal lovers, don't watch.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:01:41 PM EST
I confess. I got no love for skeeters. None.
And less respect for the critters that 'em, for they have neither taste nor intelligence enough to read from the side of the menu.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 08:13:23 PM EST
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Krishnan Guru-Murthy (krishgm) on Twitter
Staff at Audit Commission made redundant by email without warning.....its getting brutal out there


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:12:54 PM EST
BBC News - Audit Commission to be scrapped

England's public spending watchdog the Audit Commission, which employs 2,000 people, is to be scrapped.

The body, which looks for savings and efficiencies in local government, has offices across the country.

Staff received an email from management on Friday. A source told the BBC it came "completely out of the blue".



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:15:10 PM EST
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Turns out someone has mixed up compassionate and cowardly in the dictionary.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:23:23 PM EST
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So during a time when the government is looking to cut spending and waste they sack the government body designed to identify wasteful spending.

Does anyone in the Conservative or Lib/Dem party have the average intelligence of, say, the average Chinchilla?

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:25:09 PM EST
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So insulting tents is not enough, now you have to insult Chinchillas?

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:38:33 PM EST
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Well I was thinking that Tories are roughly on an intellectual level with mushrooms

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:45:50 PM EST
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I was referring, of course, to insulated Chinchillas ( unsulatae hairyrattacus).  

A little known fact is pere Bonk first experimented with importing Peruvian Chinchillas to Finland to replace the Baltic anchovy.  Unfortunately, instead of synchronized swimming the little buggers kept trying to climb on top of each other to get out of the water, creating a hierarchy of Survival.

All was not lost, however.  This was the first widely recognized example of Bottom/Up Emergent Behavior as those on top climbed those on the bottom, emerging from the briny depths of the Baltic.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:49:18 PM EST
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So during a time when the government is looking to cut spending and waste they sack the government body designed to identify wasteful spending.

It's only wasteful if it benefits Labor, you dolt! And they don't need no stinking commission around to quibble over what is wasteful and what is not! And the timing of the notice IS compassionate: it gives those affected the week-end to sort out their thoughts so they can hit the ground running Monday morning to find a new job, you see.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 04:33:34 PM EST
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I think the plan is to cut everything that isn't a City bonus.

Obviously, this means audits are a luxury.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 05:01:19 PM EST
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don't the conservatives do quangos?

commissions, well they're out of style.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 07:31:13 PM EST
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loveandgarbage (loveandgarbage) on Twitter
@krishgm I assume you'll be asking if Shirley Porter's own choice of auditor would have uncovered the gerrymandering scandal AC found?


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:59:50 PM EST
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I'm still stuck largely internetless. Reading ET by phone is possible, but very slow as I only have 2G access most of the time. Sigh...

... and damn inconvenient when this is under way...

Wind power

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:43:52 PM EST
The Wheels of Justice grind slowly but relentlessly their aim to achieve.

That's what you get for parboiling Izzy.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 02:41:47 PM EST
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Special constable jailed for £80,000 benefit fraud - Crime, UK - The Independent

A special constable was jailed for 16 months today after admitting fraudulently claiming nearly £80,000 in benefits.

Gina Conopo started claiming income support and housing and council tax benefit legitimately in 1999 when she and husband Simon separated, Northampton Crown Court heard.

But when they got back together, the mother-of-two failed to notify authorities and carried on claiming the amounts.

The court heard for a period of just over seven years, Conopo, of Grasscroft, Long Buckby, Northants, fraudulently claimed £46,321.27 in income support and £33,267.48 in council and housing tax benefit.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 01:50:10 PM EST
English place names crack me up: "Grasscroft, Long Buckby, Northants". Tell me: Is that a postal address, too?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 02:38:36 PM EST
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Oh yes although Google maps will only find it with added postcode of nn6 7pz, Its about ten miles from my house


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 02:58:03 PM EST
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Us USians don't have much space to snicker, what with names like Frog Suck (Wyoming) and Humptulips (Washington.)

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 03:10:37 PM EST
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Don't forget Toad Suck, Arkansas. Toad Suck Days is an annual event in Conway, about 30 miles from Little Rock. Then there is Loafer's Glory about 30 miles south west of Mountain Home, AR. And not to mention the very real Dog Patch.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 04:46:34 PM EST
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Incompetent is not the word.

From early 1940 to 1953, Dr. Lauretta Bender, a highly respected child neuropsychiatrist practicing at Bellevue Hospital in New York City, experimented extensively with electroshock therapy on children who had been diagnosed with "autistic schizophrenia." In all, it has been reported that Bender administered electroconvulsive therapy to at least 100 children ranging in age from three years old to 12 years, with some reports indicating the total may be twice that number. One source reports that, inclusive of Bender's work, electroconvulsive treatment was used on more than 500 children at Bellevue Hospital from 1942 to 1956, and then at Creedmoor State Hospital Children's Service from 1956 to 1969. Bender was a confident and dogmatic woman, who bristled at criticism, oftentimes refused to acknowledge reality even when it stood starkly before her.

Read more...



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 03:12:25 PM EST
The history of Clinical Psychotherapy is enraging.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 03:44:10 PM EST
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I remember a talk given in the early 60s by a physicist who was describing some of the work being done to study radiation sickness. He described a lab in New Mexico at which monkeys were exposed to lethal doses of radiation and then closely monitored while they died. He said, with a sort of nervous snicker, that they kept getting the same results over and over but kept on doing the experiment.

In 1963 I interviewed an organization that turned out to represent that lab. Another organization present at that "job fair" was the CIA. I declined both, preferring a leap into the unknown to either of those "careers".

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 04:55:46 PM EST
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Yep and oh does it get "better."

A friend's mother was borderline paranoid schizophrenic, afraid there were people "out there" who were plotting to kidnap her, hold her against her will, and torture her.  In order to cure this "delusion" she was forcibly removed from her home by the police under a court order, placed in a psychiatric hospital were she was under lock and key, and given a course, as it was called, of electro-shock therapy.

By the time she was released "cured" ... by that I mean she convinced the torturers doctors she didn't believe there were people "out there" who were plotting to kidnap her, hold her against her will, and torture her ... her borderline paranoia blossomed into a full raging case because her "delusion" had been completely and 100 percent validated.

Psychiatry seems to have attracted sadistic brutes combining socio-pathology, a high degree of cognitive functioning, and a 'gift of the gab.'  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 06:09:52 PM EST
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Sounds like the same sort of thing they used to do to trans people in the 60s. And gays back in the 50s. and political dissidents in the soviet Union.

ECT "works" for any society that wishes to punish the transgressors

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 05:04:56 PM EST
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by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 05:02:44 PM EST
A public intellectual vs the privacy infringers | spiked

Last year the British Library introduced a bag search at its main entrance. Readers had to form a queue and file through four searchers, two on each side, who unzipped rucksacks, felt into side pockets, lifted out items and peered beneath them. The search was justified by `ongoing security concerns', but the bag searchers never searched the bag properly, they just rifled, and at the end they zipped it up and said `that's fine, thanks', and you were free to enter the building.

I always thought: what's fine? A handgun could have been easily smuggled within the folds of my swimming kit. The search seemed not to be in earnest, but instead was a search for the sake of a search, for the sake of unzipping, handling, intruding. The private individual - just any old person walking in off the street - is deemed risky, and the search an act of purification. Through opening our bags, surrendering our personal space, we are declared `fine'.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Aug 13th, 2010 at 05:17:08 PM EST
I'll be missing the Paris meet-up on the 9th anniversary of The Day That Changed Everything, but I will be in Paris for about 24 hours from the evening of September 3 to the evening of September 4. Maybe some plan can be arranged...

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Aug 14th, 2010 at 07:01:47 AM EST
Sorry to miss you. Say hi the next time you're in london

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 14th, 2010 at 08:11:38 AM EST
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I'll be in London on the 23rd of August and again on September 2-3...

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Aug 14th, 2010 at 08:14:54 AM EST
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did you sort out a place to crash ? I'm sure we can put you up if need be but, as you know, we're quite a way out.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 14th, 2010 at 10:19:03 AM EST
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Thanks for the offer, I'll let you know when my plans become more concrete...

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Aug 14th, 2010 at 10:43:56 AM EST
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