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The Mosque: Courage, Truth and the Law

by BobHiggins Tue Aug 17th, 2010 at 11:32:22 AM EST

Originally posted at my site Bob Higgins

The current hoo-hah over President Obama's public statement of the obvious, that Muslims have the same rights as everyone else, to worship, to speak, to petition the government for redress, to get jiggy, and just about whatever, Dude, has had the media, the Republicans and a few chicken shit Democrats obsessing through the weekend and deep into today, with no end in sight.

This is, as usual, being driven by the same gang of Republicans who really don't give a damn about the siting of this Islamic cultural center but do care deeply about sticking a knife in every vulnerable patch of flesh that the President and his party expose to their efforts.

They hope only to drive a wedge between the electorate, at least the fraction of it that cares about this sort of nonsense and the Prez and Democrats in general.

It is also, of course, being fanned by the completely irresponsible news media whose only concerns are notoriety, ratings, advertising dollars and maintaining a shallow pretext of objectivity.

This sort of behavior is a constant with Republicans, creating a large issue out of nothing, finding a mountain where all that exists is a molehill and wasting the public's time picking fly shit out of pepper.

As a personal matter I don't give a damn where mosques, churches, temples or other religious shrines and symbols are built as long as they don't tear down decent saloons in the process.

To me, some things are more sacred than any of this religiosity.


Tim McVeigh, you remember Tim, the self identified Christian and follower of Richard Butler's Aryan Nation and Neo Nazi aligned Christian Identity movement? I'm not sure Jesus Christ would have taken much pride in that outfit.

After McVeigh, the Identity Christian and certifiable patriot blew up the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City there was no outcry to get Christian churches away from that hallowed ground.

We don't bar Japanese tourists from visiting the USS Arizona Memorial although 1102 of our Sailors are entombed there, having been dispatched to the bottom of the harbor by the Imperial Japanese Navy.

There is a large statue of Robert E Lee overlooking the graves of the dead of the Grand Army of the Republic as well as his own rebellious troops at Gettysburg. The dead don't seem to care whose statues the pigeons defile.

I understand the objections expressed by many of the families of the victims of the al Qaeda attack but even among the families there is no unanimity on this issue, many of them welcome this project and have no objections to it.

I read Obama's brief comments as a thoroughly responsible statement by a President seeking to uphold the law and the principles of the Constitution. By making an unequivocal statement on the legality and constitutional issues of the proposed construction, in the face of reprehensible and inflammatory commentary from the right, he performed an act of personal political courage.

For those who say that he walked the statement back a day later and waffled by saying that he did not, and would not speak to the wisdom of placing the Islamic cultural center at "Ground Zero," that is a stance that he is required to take under the strictures of the establishment clause. He is not allowed to pick religious favorites before the law, nor is any one else in the government of the United   States.

Attend the church of your choice but don't try to sell it around here, on company time, is the damn rule, it was penned by James Madison 233 years ago.

The nutcase right, driven like a "B" movie lynch mob by ill intentioned ideologues Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, John Cornyn, Sharron Angle and others of that "ilk" and abetted by acts of cowardice from a few Democrats, is once again being used as a tool to create yet another red herring to distract from the fact that they are without solutions, vision, ideas and simply suck at governance.

Their only message over the last three decades has been "cut taxes on the wealthy," while working overtime to divide the electorate into manageable factions and keep them warring against each other.

Have a border problem; amend the Constitution, someone burns a flag, rewrite the Constitution, Civil rights inconvenient, trample them, disagree with someone's method of prayer, change the law, make it illegal to be different, that guy got a free tuna sandwich, take to the streets for God, country and the American way. Lock them up, throw away the key... cue Superman theme.

In my primitive studies of history and in my time on this tortured and often ridiculous planet I've encountered no force more destructive to human life, to peace and harmony between peoples than religion and its various true believers.

For more than six decades, from the Suez Crisis and the eternal struggle in the Middle East in my childhood, through the burning Buddhists in Saigon as a young man, down to the present, where the fire of sectarian zeal burns as brightly as ever, I have found little to admire in any of the world's religions.

I quit looking a long time ago.

You might be wondering about the apparent incongruity of the photograph attached to this piece but there is method afoot.

In the middle of this mosque deal, Obama spent a few days in the Gulf with his family in a combination mini vacation and Gulf coast cheer leading photo-op. While there he took his youngest daughter Sasha for a swim in the Gulf, off Alligator Point in St Andrews Bay just southeast of Panama City, Florida.

I've read a dozen mentions in the press of the fact that this is not in the "actual" Gulf of Mexico but an arm of it. The "event," for those who would make an "event" out of a dip in the bay with one's child, was photographed only by the White House photographer.

The president's swim happened out of sight of the news media. The White House released an official photo, but The Associated Press does not publish such handout images. According to the White House, the Obamas swam off Alligator Point, which is in Saint Andrews Bay, not the Gulf. From: Julie Pace, Associated Press - Obamas take boat ride during Gulf vacation


The photograph is a screen capture from Google Earth and shows the proximity of Alligator Point and the "Actual Gulf of Mexico," and the quarter mile wide inlet which connects the "two." Click on the picture for a larger version and you will see that they share the same water, the same tides, the same fish and boats, and, now, the same oil and toxic Corexit. It looks to be about a half mile boat ride from Alligator Point to the "actual" Gulf.

Other reports from more rational sources are that rip tides kept the Obamas from the "actual" Gulf exposing them to further pettiness and more steely knives.

Bob Higgins

Related stories:

The Constitution and the Mosque

President Obama and Sasha Swim in the Gulf

With mosque remarks, Obama purposefully walks against the traffic

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European Tribune - The Mosque: Courage, Truth and the Law
By making an unequivocal statement on the legality and constitutional issues of the proposed construction, in the face of reprehensible and inflammatory commentary from the right, he performed an act of personal political courage.
This sums up the whole sorry situation.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 17th, 2010 at 12:44:09 PM EST
Mosque-Erade - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 08/16/2010 - Video Clip | Comedy Central
John Oliver says Muslims are allowed to put a mosque near Ground Zero, just like Catholics can build a church next to a playground.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 17th, 2010 at 03:53:21 PM EST
He then turns to Stewart and says that, while Jews can wear skullcaps on Good Friday, to celebrate their murder of our Lord and Saviour, should they?

I suspect this is directed at the ADL. I hope someone shows it to Abe Foxman, and that he falls into the trap and denounces it. Then Stewart can invite him to the show to respond...

I also liked Stewart's full version of Obama's slogan. "Yes we can. But should we?"

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Aug 18th, 2010 at 03:36:38 AM EST
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Obama faultered.

And yes there is an issue here, as to whether observant Jews should be permitted to wear skull caps in public, while observant Muslim women cannot wear the burka.

Listening France?


by shergald on Fri Aug 20th, 2010 at 11:28:11 AM EST
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From your link: With mosque remarks, Obama purposefully walks against the traffic
One Republican consultant said flatly right after the remarks, "He is right on principle, but he will get slaughtered on the politics."
Whoa.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 17th, 2010 at 04:43:43 PM EST
And the reporter didn't do his job and ask "Are you cowards for not standing up for the constitution and bowing to predjudice"?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 17th, 2010 at 05:03:36 PM EST
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The reported did his job and reported what the source wanted reported.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 18th, 2010 at 04:19:14 AM EST
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Cartoon

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 17th, 2010 at 05:47:29 PM EST
AntiAmerican cartoon. That's the short of it. American law does not like majorities.

by shergald on Fri Aug 20th, 2010 at 11:30:36 AM EST
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For the last year+ the teabaggers have been yelling themselves red in the face about "protecting the Constitution." Now that the Constitution gives protection to those they despise, they are ready to burn every copy.

Bottom line: these are not sane people, they are clinically insane and must be treated as such. Preferably isolated in a soft-walled room, without access to media.

by US Blues on Wed Aug 18th, 2010 at 10:17:52 AM EST
Oh, they are very sane, they are very calculating. As Bob suggests, they don't actually care about any of these issues, they just want to stir the rubes up. Cos if they get everybody talking about what republicans are saying then it looks like republicans are leading the debate which makes it look like republicans are the ones making headway. Vote republican, it's the future. And the media play along every time.

These guys make Machiavelli look like an amateur.

As for the Constitution. Just another wedge issue. You don't think these guys are patriots do you ? All they're interested in is power and money, especially the former cos money always follows power.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 18th, 2010 at 01:58:07 PM EST
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I make a distinction between the "few" and the rubes. The few are exactly as you paint them.  Yet when the rubes are against the Bill of Rights, when only months earlier they were playing dress up and yelling about protecting the Constitution, then they are insane in that they cannot accurately differentiate reality from the voices in their heads.

Perhaps one needs to live on this side of the pond and experience these folks directly to grok how far off the deep end they are.

by US Blues on Thu Aug 19th, 2010 at 09:10:30 AM EST
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Oh I dunno, I think we get a good idea over here, people ain't so different the world over, there's just more of 'em to be stupid over there.

P T Barnum had it right.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 19th, 2010 at 09:28:00 AM EST
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Politics does not respect the Constitution. It doesn't have to and the right wing knows this.

by shergald on Fri Aug 20th, 2010 at 11:32:35 AM EST
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These are both nuttie Republican talking points that NO Democrat or leftist should repeat. It's a Muslim community center patterned after, for example, a Jewish community center or (old-fashioned) YMCA/YWCA. It's two blocks away from Ground Zero. Yes, it has a small worship space, like many hospitals do, but do we call hospitals churches or temples when they have a room to do religious services in?

The proposed center, called the Cordoba House, would rise as many as 15 stories two blocks north of where the twin towers stood. It would include a prayer space, as well as a 500-seat performing arts center, a culinary school, a swimming pool, a restaurant and other amenities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/nyregion/26muslim.html

Admittedly it is hard to acquire the actual facts in the current scandal sheet 'news' environment.

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Wed Aug 18th, 2010 at 12:51:44 PM EST
The fact of the matter is that any Muslim group should be able to build a mosque on Ground Zero itself.

We need to stop these rationales and understand that we live under a Constitution that permits religious freedom. Who cares what the majority believes. When it comes to our basic rights, the majority is irrelevant.

by shergald on Fri Aug 20th, 2010 at 11:34:56 AM EST
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I agree, but just want to point out a Democratic Party tradition, embracing the very right-wing spin that creates the hysteria. For anyone that knows the facts (and the Democrats main job should be pointing out the facts), even accepting the right-wing anti-constitutional premise that a mosque should not be built on Ground Zero, THERE IS NO ISSUE HERE.

Meanwhile the real issues for the U.S., record unemployment, expanding war in Afghanistan, trial balloon today for bashing Social Security are ignored. Looking at that list, you can see why hysteria and max coverage of fake issues looks attractive to Obama Democrats.

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Fri Aug 20th, 2010 at 11:48:02 AM EST
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