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A great achievement in central banking

by Colman Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 05:16:22 AM EST

From the Irish Examiner

EUROPEAN Central Bank council member Jens Weidmann said the ECB cannot bail out governments by printing money.

"One of the severest forms of monetary policy being roped in for fiscal purposes is monetary financing, in colloquial terms also known as the financing of public debt via the money printing press," Weidmann, who heads Germany’s Bundesbank, said in a speech in Berlin yesterday.

The prohibition of monetary financing in the euro area "is one of the most important achievements in central banking" and "specifically for Germany, it is also a key lesson from the experience of hyperinflation after World War I," he said.

Words fail me.


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So very, very doomed.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 05:17:23 AM EST
At this point Europe basically exists to make Obama and Bernanke look good.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 05:55:22 AM EST
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And, considering their performance, Europe is doing an outstanding job, though Germany stands head and shoulders above the rest.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 09:45:59 AM EST
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Italygoes down.

The sharks are circling now: no bullshit about austerity is going to calm them.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 05:32:13 AM EST
So, France next?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 05:53:39 AM EST
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Or Belgium.  Preferably a country at the core which might scare them properly without dooming us all.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 06:04:11 AM EST
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There was a chart sometime a few years ago (2008 probably) showing financial collapses in various countries, and the chance of that bringing the world economy to its knees but I just cant remember where it was (or find it)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 06:18:11 AM EST
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Tough to imagine Belgium would be very high on the list.  Italy would be a huge problem.  Adding France to it would make it a disaster.

And, while all of this is going on, China is looking shakier every week.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 06:21:34 AM EST
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There was a chart sometime a few years ago...

If I recall correctly it was a link from Chris Cook from a subscription financial advisory firm.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 09:49:34 AM EST
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Now that Italy has gone down Belgium is too small.

The market plays double-or-nothing, after each successful bet they can go for a bigger one.

Belgium could have come after Portugal but the market chose Spain and Italy instead.

Therefore, France is next.

To err is of course human. But to mess things up spectacularly, we need an elite — Yanis Varoufakis

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 07:02:53 PM EST
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Risk of UK default set to soar if Italy defaults - Telegraph

The chances of Britain being left unable to service its debt would jump to one in five in the event of an Italian financial collapse, according to a note by Fathom Consulting.

At the moment the price of insuring Britain's debt - through credit default swaps - implies a 9pc chance of default. But Fathom said: "If Italy were to default, the probability of a UK default would rise to 22pc."

The cost of government borrowing would also go up by around 2.5 percentage points.

Italy's cost of borrowing pushed through the 7pc level yesterday raising fears that it will not be able to service its €1.9 trillion (£1.6 trillion) debt pile.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 07:05:19 PM EST
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The Bank of England is able and not unwilling to put a cap on the British government's cost of borrowing, since it does not participate of Weidmann's achievement.

To err is of course human. But to mess things up spectacularly, we need an elite — Yanis Varoufakis
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 07:12:00 PM EST
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The Bank of England, while perhaps not as active as the Fed, is mercifully nowhere near as stubbornly ignorant as the ECB.

Torygraph's just trying being the Torygraph.  Guessing they couldn't find a woman with nice breasts for Page 2 in tomorrow's paper, so have to opt for fearmongering.  (Or is that the Sun?  I can't keep up with all the Little Englander rags.)

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 09:01:15 PM EST
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Before the end of November, in any case.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 06:10:04 AM EST
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So the austerity budget passes, and Italian yields promptly shoot through the roof.

MORE VIRGINS.  WE NEED MORE VIRGINS IN THE VOLCANO.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 06:12:30 AM EST
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Of course they do, since an austerity budget will kill growth and make paying their bills important.

Oh wait, you're right, more virgins. Which may be in short supply as a result of Berlusconi's carry on.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 06:25:42 AM EST
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Impossible, not important.

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by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 06:25:58 AM EST
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Received this in mail today:

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Joke that Berlusconi told attending EU Summit:

In Italy they had poll and asked girls from 18-20 years of age if they would have sex with Berlusconi?

Results:

  1. 1/3 answered that they would.
  2. 2/3 answered " Oh no, not again".


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 07:07:50 AM EST
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Watching Democracy Now! this Wed. A.M. A Berlu advisor is quoted saying that Berlu has "lost his magic" and this image came to mind.



They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 08:18:44 AM EST
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we're approaching the moment of truth, aren't we?

the situation is reducing itself to a simple binary: choice a, watch the present system implode through its fundamental untenability, all the while stoutly and raucously defended by those who don't give a toss about alternatives, and seeing economies go down the tubes strangled by austerity, like attaching more debt leeches to a bloodless patient, but the sacred canon of defence against inflation duly fed with its daily dose of misery for the 99%

and b. get over the desire to tweak a stupid, corrupt system into functionality in a post peak oil world, and ask the citizens to create a new system that will be fairer than the present one.

it seems like any moment for half-measures has passed, as if the present gang of cons would have had the wit or motivation to do anything but their bankster bosses' bidding anyway, let's not fool ourselves.

these sharks have a collective 'intelligence', that could be more realistic than the propaganda fed us by the crook media about our individual state economies.

it's a system that has channelled most of the best minds of two generations into the totally unproductive financial black magic hole of 'high' finance, brains that could have been working on socially needed research, like preventative health care, space exploration, carbon management, alt energy etc instead of this societally spurious exercise of creating more cunning algorithms to screw the rubes with.

eliminate tax havens, enact a tobin tax, and maybe we can limp on with the present system for a while, but pigs will fly before that happens, these greedy bastards have a deathgrip on us all, and nothing short of baying crowds of pissed off peasants at their gates will bring them back to reality, if they ever visited in the first place...

either we crash in flames and hope for a phoenix rebirth, or some one has to convince the german banking elite that owning all the goodies ain't good for the health, when 99% feel like they never will even have a chance for a decent life with the casino rigged as is.

the german working people are actually the most betrayed sector by this gang of thieves, history may not repeat, but it sure as hell rhymes. the EU has a democratic deficit, and most people at this point would either like to fully experiment with being a real federated union, or ditch the whole thing and start again with the nation states, it was great while the good times lasted, EU funds being ripped off left and centre, scam city, no follow up, no checking to see if the money was used correctly, only token punishments for transgressors, often fines ignored and unpaid, while the gravy kept rolling in...

if we try it again one day, we have to leave the countries currencies uniting as the last cherry on the cake, instead of the first. trade and economics are important, but genuine social unity comes first.

we can do a much better job educating europeans to appreciate and cherish their differences, while still cleaving to a higher, supra-national concept.

expecting people to behave better just because they all have the same currency is psychologically naive.

letting countries like greece and italy borrow at german bond rates was an invitation to disaster, like dropping off a kilo of smack at a methadone party!

fetishisation of money has been the ruin of us since the damn stuff was invented. it has a magical power to do good, sure, but we seem more often to let the stuff rule our lives, instead of being our servant, and look where that has led us...

make or break, we are coming up to a fork in the road.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 12:41:54 PM EST
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I give France 2 weeks.

To err is of course human. But to mess things up spectacularly, we need an elite — Yanis Varoufakis
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 07:00:06 PM EST
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Weapons-Grade Stupid.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 05:54:00 AM EST
Eurozone crisis: live blog | The World | International affairs blog from the FT - FT.com

Berlusconi and his ministers are insisting the only way ahead after his promised resignation would be elections early next year. That could give Berlusconi another four months or so as prime minister.

It is this prospect of prolonged uncertainty that is spooking investors on markets. Analysts say the clear preference is for Italy to avoid elections and install an emergency government of technocrats, led by Mario Monti, former European commissioner.

If Berlusconi can hold his People of Liberty party together he could withhold the broad-based support that someone like Monti would need in parliament to form a viable government. Berlusconi is weakened but he is buying time and showing he still has cards to play.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 06:31:51 AM EST
How in Hell do they know what's spooking markets?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 06:33:54 AM EST
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Of course they don't.  They looked for an easy story, and that's what they came up with.

It's all uncertainty.  Uncertainty is the Confidence Fairy's nemesis.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 06:36:41 AM EST
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Berlu: spooking the markets.
Idiot austerity drive that will freeze economic activity across the planet: reassuring the markets.

At this rate he'll die from cardiac arrest while snorting too much coke before he leaves office.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 08:55:18 AM EST
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You left out "while having sex with Mubarak's daughter".

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 09:54:10 AM EST
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If Berlusconi can hold his People of Liberty party together ...

If he can get away with this crap I'm starting a "Captain American and All Things Wonderful" Party in the US.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 07:45:46 AM EST
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Twitter / @faisalislam: Looking at Budget vote in ...
Looking at Budget vote in Italy on Monday -- also the day of the Italian government bond auction: dt.tesoro.it/export/sites/s... Minimum bid €500k!


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 06:45:15 AM EST
The EFSF can barely sell bonds. What are the chances for Italy?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 06:46:44 AM EST
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But the EFSF is not willing to pay >6%.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 10:00:53 AM EST
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Twitter / @faisalislam: Irelands EFSF auction resu ...
Irelands EFSF auction results: efsf.europa.eu/attachments/fi... Pie charts show sig change in bailout funding. Less Asia /SWFs, less US. More UK & Banks


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 07:31:56 AM EST
3.5%! What good students they are. Will they use the proceeds to retire more privately held bad debt from Irish banks? The Irish Government must be especially keen to pay back private individuals and institutions to which there is no guarantee.  

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 10:06:34 AM EST
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Friend that lives in Melbourne just told me that she have heard from UK woman that emigrated here with her family recently, that it is an exodus from UK. But she also told my friend that they find emigration very hard and that some of them are going back. It's good that they still have a choice...we did not have one. Also here on TV they say that (especially young) Greeks are coming in masses to USA and now here to Australia (Melbourne is second biggest "Greeks" city).In USA they are surprised how it is hard to find job (any job).At least here they can work in their relative's restaurants all tho they are mostly educated and they may still find some serious job.
Now Italians are next.


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 07:55:02 AM EST
Your mention  of the Greek restaurant business reminds me of this great Saturday Night Live Greek restaurant skit with John Beluchi.

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v16038377qEdkrym4?h1=John+Belushi+-+The+Olympia+Restaurant

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 10:33:50 AM EST
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Life in Australia is awesome but many immigrants realize after few years there is nothing like home.

love Australia but be at 17,000km from my aging/sick parents is not easy.

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 01:21:37 PM EST
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I totally understand you. I have been in your shoes. My father died just 4 months after I came to New Zealand. I couldn't attend his funeral.
It's hard to make new friends here (it takes time) and usually people have to find their own community.
Another thing that came as a surprise for Brits is that Australia is not cheap. They are shocked with prices of food, rent, power, real estate  etc.
First when they come they are amazed with Australia. It is beautiful and yes homes are big, weather is nice, everything looks perfect. They can easily see themselves in those big homes, 4 WD etc. But it hits them hard when they realise that their dreams are on a long rope. And they start to miss relatives and friends. Emigration is never easy. After 10 years you'll be OK, ha-ha.
And we spend a lot of money to go back to visit relatives and friends every now and then. I could go on many luxury cruises for the money that I spend for 6 weeks in Serbia. But we choose to go and visit them...After that trip we have mixed feeling...regret and joy that we at least have seen them. For us older we never know if we will see them again. Every time I go there at least few people have died...That's life for first generation of emigrants. But we are lucky we can afford to visit. Long time ago people were not able to go for like 20 years. One man told me he would never recognise his own brother if he met him on the street. Sad...


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 06:52:06 PM EST
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Migeru:
Inflation is, always and everywhere, a monetary phenomenon.

Hyperinflation is, always and everywhere, the result of trying to use seigniorage to pay foreign-denominated (or inflation-linked) debt.

Using seigniorage to pay down domestic non-index-linked debt can be inflationary (up to politically unpalatable levels) but not hyperinflationary.

See Can Central Banks Go Broke? by Willem Buiter.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 08:00:15 AM EST
Who am I to contradict the Bundesbank President?

To err is of course human. But to mess things up spectacularly, we need an elite — Yanis Varoufakis
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 06:59:12 PM EST
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Financial Alchemy Foils Capital Rules in Europe


"By allowing sophisticated banks to do their own modeling, we are allowing the poacher to participate in being the game- keeper," said Adrian Blundell-Wignall, deputy director of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development's financial and enterprise affairs division in Paris. "That risks making core capital ratios useless."
....
The proportion of risk-weighted assets to total assets at European banks is half that of American banks, according to an April 6 Barclays Capital report written by analysts Simon Samuels and Mike Harrison. JPMorgan Chase & Co. Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon in September described the Basel III rules, which give banks until 2019 to increase their core capital ratio to 9.5 percent of risk-weighted assets, as "anti-American."
....
"As you move to Basel III, these issues will become more ubiquitous, not less," the OECD's Blundell-Wignall said. "The core Tier 1 ratio is a ratio of two meaningless numbers, which itself is a meaningless number because banks can alter the ratio themselves. Basel III does absolutely nothing to address that."
....
One reason there's a difference between risk-weighted assets and total assets is that some securities, such as certain sovereign bonds, carry a zero risk-weighting, requiring banks to hold no capital.

"A basic leverage ratio would be rougher, but it takes away the risk of gaming the system," said Stephany Griffith- Jones, an economist and lecturer in financial markets at Columbia University in New York. "We need to move away from outsourcing regulation of the banks to the banks."



"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 08:32:26 AM EST
Twitter / @AliBunkallSKY: Check out these figures ec ...
Check out these figures economics fans: UK holds $17.4bn of Italian debt. France holds $416bn - more than 50% of all European bank lending!


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 10:59:58 AM EST
Goldman Expects Another 10% Margin Hike For Italian Bonds   zero hedge

Goldman's Francesco Garzarelli has just released a follow up to the "next steps" piece from yesterday (which so far has been woefully wrong in predicting a ceiling to Italian spread). So perhaps this time Goldman will be a little more accurate, which for those who may be buying Italian bunds on the dead cat bounce, will not be a good thing. Here's why: "Should Italian BTPs trade above 450bp relative to AAA-rated EMU sovereigns over a period of time, the initial margin would increase by a further 10%. Currently, the initial margin for repo on Italian securities on LCH ranges between around 4% and 20%, increasing along the maturity structure." The take away from the above - another 10% margin hike is coming. (Emphasis in original)

I wonder what the spread will be in the secondary market after a margin hike.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 11:02:47 AM EST
Like watching a multi-car pile-up in slow motion.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 12:13:52 PM EST
Multi-car pileups get cleaned up by the insurers.  This is more like this:



Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 09:04:54 PM EST
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It's comments from ECB officials like that which make me want to respond with then-White House Chief of Staff/pitbull (and now-Chicago mayor) Rahm Emanuel's infamous insult: "Are you fucking ret___d?"

Unfortunately, I've heard too many similar comments from US Fed officials too, not to mention Chinese, Japanese, and other central bankers.  

by santiago on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 01:04:35 PM EST
Game Over? Reuters Says Germany, France Exploring Idea Of Core Euro Zone, End Of Existing Structure | ZeroHedge
If anyone needed the proper epitaph for the insane stupidity out of Europe, Reuters may have just provided it. In an exclusive article, Reuters stuns us with the following: "German and French officials have discussed plans for a radical overhaul of the European Union that would involve establishing a more integrated and potentially smaller euro zone, EU sources say. French President Nicolas Sarkozy gave some flavour of his thinking during an address to students in the eastern French city of Strasbourg on Tuesday, when he said a two-speed Europe -- the euro zone moving ahead more rapidly than all 27 countries in the EU -- was the only model for the future." It gets much worse: "The discussions among senior policymakers in Paris, Berlin and Brussels go further, raising the possibility of one or more countries leaving the euro zone, while the remaining core pushes on towards deeper economic integration, including on tax and fiscal policy." Not sure how to further clarify this:


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 02:02:42 PM EST
In the light of recent goings-on, plus their historic experiences of the League of Nations, the peoples of Denmark, Finland, and Sweden would have to be mentally retarded to join a French/German led "core Europe."  

Norway's decision to stay out of the EU and Sweden's and Denmark's decision to stay out of the euro is looking better all the time.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 03:09:27 PM EST
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Italy at breaking point, Merkel calls for new Europe | Reuters

(Reuters) - Italian borrowing costs reached breaking point Wednesday after Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's insistence on elections instead of an interim government opened the way to prolonged instability and delays to long-promised economic reforms.

In a dramatic escalation of the euro zone debt crisis, Italian 10-year bond yields shot above the 7 percent level that is widely deemed unsustainable, reflecting an evaporation of investor confidence and prompting German Chancellor Angela Merkel to issue a call to arms.

Merkel said Europe's plight was now so "unpleasant" that deep structural reforms were needed quickly, warning the rest of the world would not wait. "That will mean more Europe, not less Europe," she told a conference in Berlin.

She called for changes in EU treaties after French President Nicolas Sarkozy advocated a two-speed Europe in which euro zone countries accelerate and deepen integration while an expanding group outside the currency bloc stayed more loosely connected -- a signal that some members may have to quit the euro if the entire structure is not to crumble.

"It is time for a breakthrough to a new Europe," Merkel said. "A community that says, regardless of what happens in the rest of the world, that it can never again change its ground rules, that community simply can't survive."

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 03:30:29 PM EST
afew:
"A community that says, regardless of what happens in the rest of the world, that it can never again change its ground rules, that community simply can't survive."

Does. Not. Parse.

she doesn't have the political power to overcome the BB, does she?

if those ground rules are hard money hawkshit, she can make nice noises, but that's pretty much it, right?

if we can change them, and use the ECB's magic keystrokes to deliver a nice new dose of morphine to the pained patient, then we can go back to BAU, yeah?

Fail.  so basically she's saying that we have to over-ride german bankster paranoia to create a new yurp wide finance entity. we all know that, but why would she say it? is there a shred of sincerity there, or is it just blather?

last Q...is there any long term downside for german banks to crash the euro? iow, is it possible they have bet on it failing, like GS did against the sub-prime loans?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Nov 10th, 2011 at 05:28:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
@LISwires \ » Portuguese debt restructuring could be on the horizon

n last Saturday edition (Nov. 5), Expresso released studies of scenarios made by groups of Portuguese academics. Those studies are pointing to a serious depression in Portugal in 2012, drifting far beyond the official forecast of a 2.8% recession.

One of the consequences of a worsening economic picture could be the need for a restructuring of the Portuguese debt. Expresso heard three Portuguese economists living abroad.

Although the Greek, Portuguese and Irish situations are different, the negotiations with private creditors of Greek sovereign debt (which might involve a cut of 1/3 of face value) and the possibility of a revision of the terms in Ireland of the promissory notes to banks, are processes to be followed closely.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 05:23:14 PM EST
Destroying the European Union would be a great achievement for any person or institution, in particular for a central bank.

To err is of course human. But to mess things up spectacularly, we need an elite — Yanis Varoufakis
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 9th, 2011 at 07:08:11 PM EST
Eurointelligence daily briefing: Meltdown
The ECB must become the lender of last resort, Nícolas Barre writes

Commenting in Les Echos, Nicolas Barre calls the ECB to finally become the eurozone's lender of last resort. "This time it's real", he writes. "The markets are about to blow away Italy, the seventh largest economy world wide and the third largest issuer of sovereign bonds." Given the situation the eurozone can no longer what Barre calls an "existential question".

The key point is this:
Why is it that the UK with its public finances in a horrible state can borrow at 2.2% over 10 years while Italy has to pay 7.4%? The reason is that in the UK, as in the US, the central bank plays the role of the lender of last resort and the ECB must play this role in the eurozone as well, Barre argues. "The European Union cannot tolerate that one of its six founding countries is suffocated by a dogma. It will not survive otherwise", he concludes.



To err is of course human. But to mess things up spectacularly, we need an elite — Yanis Varoufakis
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 10th, 2011 at 04:12:12 AM EST
Was just about to post this. The point about the UK is imo a killer. It is just so obvious.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 10th, 2011 at 04:21:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Krugman blog: Starkness Falls
The best guide to recent events is actually a paper written this spring, by Paul De Grauwe (pdf). I have to admit that when I first read De Grauwe's paper I didn't grasp the full force of his argument about liquidity crises; but he now looks absolutely prescient.
And yet, when he first read the paper, Krugman said:
Martin Wolf directs us to Paul de Grauwe (pdf) on the eurozone -- a paper I wish I had written (there is no higher praise).
The key point, which I've finally taken fully on board, is that in addition to the huge problems of adjustment created by a rigid exchange rate in the aftermath of a bubble, the fact that European nations no longer have their own currencies leaves them vulnerable to self-fulfilling debt crises - in effect bank runs on governments rather than banks (although those too).

To head off this risk, somebody - the EFSF, the ECB, whatever - has to be ready to act as lender of last resort; Eurobonds would have served much the same purpose.



To err is of course human. But to mess things up spectacularly, we need an elite — Yanis Varoufakis
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 10th, 2011 at 04:32:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Barre:
"The European Union cannot tolerate that one of its six founding countries is suffocated by a dogma. It will not survive otherwise"

Merkel:

"A community that says, regardless of what happens in the rest of the world, that it can never again change its ground rules, that community simply can't survive."

Clang.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 10th, 2011 at 04:23:57 AM EST
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This cannot be said enough times. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Bank of England doesn't even buy a single bond: just the very guarantee of buying if needed keeps rates at rock bottom, and means the guarantee will not actually have be made good on.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Thu Nov 10th, 2011 at 08:57:15 AM EST
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FT.com: Thinking through the unthinkable (By Martin Wolf, 8 November)
What is now happening is an unhappy mixture of the second and third options: one-sided austerity with grudging finance. Mr Mayer argues that it could morph into the first. His argument is that the lender-of-last-resort activity of the European System of Central Banks, in favour of banks unable to fund themselves in the market, is financing payments deficits. Central banks of the surplus countries are, as a result, accumulating large credit positions vis a vis the European Central Bank, while those of the deficit countries are accumulating counterpart liabilities (see chart). This is a transfer union. In the long run, suggests Mr Mayer, monetary financing of balance of payments deficits is going to prove inflationary and so turn into the first of Mr Roubini's options. I am not sure that the danger of inflation is real. But Germans certainly fear it is.
It appears that Wolf, Roubini and Mayer got their interpretation of the central bank mutual claims situation from Hans-Werner Sinn, on which see The stealth bailout that doesn't exist: debunking Hans-Werner Sinn
Hans-Werner Sinn, the CEO of CESifo, claims that the ECB is conducting a secret bailout strategy that is utterly dangerous for the stability of the eurozone and is doing harm to the German economy. Martin Wolf and Felix Salmon have accepted his thesis. However, it is plainly wrong.
The alternative interpretation of what is happening (also held by Willem Buiter [PDF]) is a run on the banking systems and the sovereigns of peripheral states, with core banks and states acting as "safe havens".
In the long term, the first and last of Mr Roubini's options seem most likely: either the entire eurozone adjusts, or it breaks up. Germany should accept the risks of the former path. I know that its nightmare is the hyperinflation of 1923. Yet the brutal austerity of 1930-32 finally brought Adolf Hitler to power.

The question is whether exit would be feasible without blowing up the world. Start with a decision that, for a severely uncompetitive country, such as Greece, exit would be co-operative. Greece would introduce a currency - the "new drachma". New contracts executed under Greek law and taxes and spending in Greece would be in this currency. Existing contracts would stay in euros. Banks would have legacy euro accounts and new drachma accounts. The exchange rate of the new currency against the euro would be set in the market. It would depreciate rapidly. But that is desperately needed.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 10th, 2011 at 04:54:35 AM EST
It's 2011 not 1932.

The NSDAP isn't going to take power in Germany.  The social and political conditions, especially the conclusion by the Conservative Parties they could "contol" Hitler if they made him Chancellor, of the Wiemar Republic are not replicated.  Even the economic conditions are 180 degrees turn-about.  During the Wiemar Republic Germany was a net debtor nation; today it's a net creditor.

The fantasy Germans are suddenly going to start goose-stepping all over the place is a serious hindrance to dealing with What Is.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Thu Nov 10th, 2011 at 03:39:32 PM EST
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