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Declaration of Independence (Egypt)

by joelado Fri Feb 11th, 2011 at 07:26:21 AM EST

There comes a time in every society for the people to rise to a station to which the laws of nature intended them. This elevated station is based on the following obvious truths, that we are all equal under the law, that as humans we have certain rights that are incorporated into our person. Among these are the right to life, the right to be free from restriction of movement, the right to speak freely and the right to pursue what ever it is that we believe will add to our happiness. We here and now affirm that because of these rights governments derive their permission to govern from the people and that governments are created by people to protect these rights. When any form of government acts against these rights, it is the privilege of the people to change its government to a new government that affirms its commitment to preserving these basic rights.


For practical reasons government that satisfies their responsibility should not be changed for ephemeral reasons. However, it is up to the people to decide what reasons are weighty enough to warrant change. As our history has shown us, people are more apt to tolerate suffering as long as the suffering is not too great. We are more apt to go on suffering rather than change the things which we have become accustomed to. But when we suffer many abuses and face a callus disregard of our rights, all designed to subjugate us under dictatorship, it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off that government and make provision for a new government that is committed to protecting our freedoms and liberties.

The present leader of our country has many times violated our rights.  He has worked his way to what he is now, an absolute despot over us. We have awakened to the realization that we live under tyranny. With this awakening we have also realized that it is time for us to change our current system of government and what we want is a political system based on genuine democracy and social justice.

To this end we demand:
The resignation of the current president
Free and fair elections involving all Egyptian people be held expeditiously
That there be judicial oversight of the whole election process
That local and international groups be brought in to monitor the elections
That all Egyptians must be free to run for and win any office without interference
That there be fair and equal access to media for all candidates
That the right to vote is extended to even Egyptians living abroad
That the president's term in office be limited to two terms
That all who hold the National ID be allowed to vote.
That all sectors of the population be free to organize and assemble
That all political detainees be released
That the government may not hinder the expression of religious belief
That the government protect religious freedom for all religions
That the government may not encumber free expression and the press

We, the people of Egypt, assembled here on Tahrir Square and in other cities around our nation, solemnly declare that we are free of tyranny; and to the support of this declaration we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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Wow! what is the source of this? I mean who wrote it? Who does it represent?

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Fri Feb 11th, 2011 at 09:37:58 AM EST
I can only find

Daily Kos: An Egyptian Declaration of Independence by joelado on February 10, 2011

Get This to Tahrir Square by joelado on February 11, 2011

Keynesianism is intellectually hard, as evidenced by the inability of many trained economists to get it - Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 11th, 2011 at 09:56:11 AM EST
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Neither posting gives an explanation.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 11th, 2011 at 10:06:04 AM EST
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They're cross-posts.

Keynesianism is intellectually hard, as evidenced by the inability of many trained economists to get it - Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 11th, 2011 at 10:33:54 AM EST
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There might have been comments.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 11th, 2011 at 11:21:56 AM EST
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Does this actually come out of Egypt, or is it an outsider's suggestion?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 11th, 2011 at 10:07:37 AM EST
I wrote this. It is a compilation of the demands of various groups in Egypt and the similarities and tone that I found in the United States Declaration of Independence. I editorialized a little by adding the demands for freedom of religion, which is my hope for Egypt. The US Declaration of Independence was a very specific document that talked of the grievances the then colonies of England had over their treatment. I couldn't find any specific grievances expressed by the Egyptian protesters. What I did find were lists of demands. Some of the demands were very specific in nature and may not have been agreed to by the larger group in Tahrir Square, but most of the demands were general an repeated by various groups. I could clearly see that the intelligentsia of the protest clearly wanted a western style democracy, almost a US style democracy in its best sense. I put the documents side by side and weaved the best representation that I could of what was being wished for. My heart goes out to the people of Egypt.  
by joelado on Fri Feb 11th, 2011 at 11:31:44 AM EST
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OK, thanks for explaining.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 11th, 2011 at 11:39:27 AM EST
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It might be instructive to review the changes in national mood in the USA between the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, and the current very much amended Constitution.

The original enthusiasm and idealism soon gave way to a realization that, without the original cause of independence, squabbling about money and power demanded regulation of ordinary business dealings and conflicts.

And remember, we fought a civil war because we didn't make it clear that the Union was for keeps.

Align culture with our nature. Ot else!

by ormondotvos (ormond.otvosnospamgmialcon) on Fri Feb 11th, 2011 at 06:46:46 PM EST
Ormondotvos, revolutions are about high ideals and pie in the sky hope. The realities of life enter the door rather quickly after the euphoria of the moment. For me the reality of what the United States has become verses the wonderfully poetic words of its beginning are only mildly discomforting. Most Americans, at least those who have studied what our forefathers intended, still feel that the magic of the American experiment. I have read a compilation of Benjamin Franklin's letters. Available now on computer CD. As I read through his letters you could see the change that he went though from trying so hard to get representation in the House of Commons and maybe even in the House of Lords in England. His letters begin to change because he can't even convince the British people to support the idea. He finally realizes that the colonies will have to separate. We had become too different from England. He sees this with great sadness, but also because his son had been "elevated" to a minor nobility. When he makes the break between being English and embraces being American, it allows him to imagine what life would be like if people ruled. I remember coming across the words, "for the public good," when describing the roll of elected officials (public servants) making decisions, and he and I realized that being a regular person amongst other regular persons all working for the benefit of themselves and for others was a rather pleasant thing to be. The new person of the time would make themselves rather than having someone else from on high hand them their status. He realized that that was what he had done with his life. Unfortunately, this new idea of what the new person could be conflicted with what he had been able to attain for his son. His son never came around to his fathers way of thinking, but most of the colonies did.
Egyptians now, free from tyranny, have the opportunity to become new men and women. All of them can make their way in the world and achieve as much as they can. I believe that all Egyptians, striving to be the best that they can be, will elevate their nation to being one of the great nations of the modern world. That is if they can truly embrace freedom. Freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of religion, and more than anything freedom of thought.
by joelado on Fri Feb 11th, 2011 at 08:38:09 PM EST
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franklin's change of perception had much to do with the views he learned participating in many Rotinosonni (Haudenausonee, or Iroquois) council meetings over two decades.  He watched the oldest functioning democracy (sorry Der Schweiz) and was impressed.

In fact, it was his second biggest income, translating council minutes, after the famed Almanac. When he brought Thom Paine to amurka, he advised him to learn Mohawk, so he could understand better what he would see at the Councils.

dinner guest arrives, more later. (but there's lots of research on all this.)


"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sat Feb 12th, 2011 at 03:22:55 PM EST
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Our democracy came from Benjamin Franklin's observation of the Rotinosonni. It is in the letters. He even gets the word Congress from other people's description of what the native people were doing when the tribe representatives would gather together and workout issues and grievances.

You know, people get on about how our founding fathers were far from perfect. In many ways they were down right wrong about a lot of things looking back at them through the prism of time. For me I feel more comfortable with them that they were human, that they didn't have all the answers or if they did they weren't able to put them into play because they were captured by their time and place. It allows me to realize that I'm not perfect, but that doesn't take away from me the right to fight for what is right. This declaration was my attempt to bridge the failings of our government, which is captured by time and place now  and was unable to press hard for Egyptian freedom based on our legacy like it should have, and the values for which it was founded on. The US government should have done for the Egyptian people what the American people did for themselves a long time ago. America is supposed to stand for what went on in Tahrir Square. Maybe lowly American's like me, who feel a real solidarity with the hopes and aspirations of the Egyptian people, can project our hope and good will to them now.

Both the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independents hold up universal rights that are not defined by nationhood. It is time we lived up to essence of our creed.

by joelado on Tue Feb 15th, 2011 at 02:49:30 PM EST
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