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by afew Mon Feb 21st, 2011 at 01:28:04 AM EST
Fighting goes on in Libya. There have been rumours (unconfirmed) of Gaddafi's flight.
Use this as an open thread for updates.
(Also on protests in other Arab countries and in Iran).
Apparently "out of government control" does NOT mean "secure." Benghazi seems to be secure. Can't find out anything about Tobruk. Elsewhere continuous reports and tweets of bands of roving mercenaries and die-hard security forces on a murder spree: roaming the city in trucks and cars, sniping, and shooting people for the hell of it.
She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
The Libyan ambassador to India has resigned in protest over the massacres.
The Libyan ambassador to China declared this morning that Gadaffi has likely fled the country.
This morning a large crowd is gathering in Sana'a calling for the resignation of president Ali Abdullah Saleh. Over 1,000.
Eyewitness reports of government buildings and a TV station burning in Tripoli.
# Image_normal MAlyazoury RT @OppressorsOrg: Mounted AntiAircraft Guns Used Against #Libya #Demonstrators In #Tripoli http://youtu.be/BxNSMH-ENbg Bring the Criminal Gaddafi Family DOWN! 1 minute ago via TweetDeck
RT @ShababLibya: BREAKING CONFIRMED: Tarhuna is out in the streets! The army has joined the protesters! Heading to Tripoli now!! #feb17 #gaddaficrimes #libya
He declared that he hoped in the territorial integrity of Libya since an Islamic Emirat of Eastern Libya would be a menace for Europe.
Gadaffi's tribe has apparently abandoned him.
Eastern Libya freed and stable today.
Have the egyptian people not suffered enough? Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
Consistency. Hobgoblin. Humbug. It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
Cameron has made it into #Tahrir - shame civilian security cordons aren't still up, they did a good job keeping out counter-revolutionaries
of a novel by Gustave Flaubert : Salammbo
Actually it would be more appropriate for the Tunisian revolution, since the action takes place in and around Carthage. But all this talk of civil war, tribes and mercenaries brings it to mind.
After the First Punic War, Carthage is unable to fulfil promises made to its army of mercenaries, and finds itself under attack. The fictional title character, a priestess and the daughter of Hamilcar Barca, an aristocratic Carthaginian general, is the object of the obsessive lust of Matho, a leader of the mercenaries. With the help of the scheming freed slave, Spendius, Matho steals the sacred veil of Carthage, the Zaïmph, prompting Salammbô to enter the mercenaries' camp in an attempt to steal it back. The Zaïmph is an ornate bejewelled veil draped about the statue of the goddess Tanit in the sacrosanct of her temple: the veil is the city's guardian and touching it will bring death to the perpetrator.
A good read, if you like turgid blood-and-thunder epics. I doubt that it has much to tell us about the Libyan revolution, though.
Because of its popular impact in 19th century France, Edward Said would (or should) probably class it as seminal in the creation of that colonialist cultural construct : orientalism. It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
Edward Said would (or should) probably have classed it
A clash in northern Morocco left five dead today, according to the Moroccan government.
The Italian opposition is heavily criticising the Italian government for their privileged relation with Gadaffi and has called for a condemnation of the government violence as Germany just did at noon. The Minister of Foreign Affairs seems more concerned with a surge in clandestine arrivals on Italian coasts. While Gadaffi menaced Europe that he would no longer hold back tide of illegal immigrants, he is no longer in a position to block any prospective flow. Berlusconi has kept silent about his friend's plight. After all his portrait is on some Libyan banknotes.
There were reports this morning that a military base abandoned near Tripoli was attacked by the air force in order to prevent arms falling into the rebellion's hands.
The general impression is of a void of power today in Tripoli, a sort of anarchy, that should resolve itself by the afternoon when a mass prayer demonstration has been called.
After all his portrait is on some Libyan banknotes.
Oh, I want one! It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
rumors that 2000 bangladeshi workers are being held at knifepoint by rebels near benghazi Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
His father has (almost literally) thrown him under the bus, his country is on fire, and now this.
Today is just not his day.
Young Global Leader
IRAN: "URGENT WE NEED YOUR HELP" خبر فوری استفاده از گاز اشک آورهای جدید بر علیه مردم
"Attention all Chemical Engineers"The Islamic regime in IRAN is using a new "tear gas" that renders those exposed into a state of semi paralysis and violent sickness. We want to reach out to chemical engineers the world over to help us identify the gas and how to defuse it? Symptoms include:severe nausea and vomiting (in some cases blood), semi paralysis, blurry vision.
"Attention all Chemical Engineers"
The Islamic regime in IRAN is using a new "tear gas" that renders those exposed into a state of semi paralysis and violent sickness. We want to reach out to chemical engineers the world over to help us identify the gas and how to defuse it?
Symptoms include:
severe nausea and vomiting (in some cases blood),
semi paralysis,
blurry vision.
Iran and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A U.S. Central Intelligence Agency report dated January 2001 speculated that Iran had manufactured and stockpiled chemical weapons - including blister, blood, choking, and probably nerve agents, and the bombs and artillery shells to deliver them. It further claimed that during the first half of 2001, Iran continued to seek production technology, training, expertise, equipment, and chemicals from entities in Russia and China that could be used to help Iran reach its goal of having indigenous nerve agent production capability.[220] However the certainty of this assessment declined and in 2007 the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency limited its public assessment to just noting that "Iran has a large and growing commercial chemical industry that could be used to support a chemical agent mobilization capability."[221]
The ZKA further alleges that Iran probably possesses sulfur mustard, tabun, and prussic acid (hydrogen cyanide), and may possess sarin and VX.
Iran's major chemical weapons production facility is based at Damghan, about 300 kilometers east of Tehran. American intelligence agencies estimate that Iran is producing 1,000 tons of chemical weapons a year, including mustard gas, phosgene, and various cyanide agents. These agents are older technology than the sarin nerve gas used in the 1995 Tokyo subway attack, but they can still kill.
Despite a lack of evidence suggesting CW-related activity, many Western capitals view ongoing efforts to increase the size and sophistication of the Iranian chemical industry with suspicion. However, past accusations must be balanced with the current lack of trustworthy, open source information regarding the Iranian CW program, coupled with the intelligence agencies' new less definite assessments and the fact that CWC inspections of Iranian facilities have not revealed any evidence of foul play on Iran's part.
List of chemical warfare agents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
These are substances that produce debilitating effects with limited probability of permanent injury or loss of life. The casualty effects typically last over 24 hours, and though medical evacuation and isolation is recommended, it is not required for complete recovery. These, together with harassing agents, are sometimes called nonlethal agents. There may be as high as 5% fatalities with the use of these agents.
or at a push
Choking agents Main article: Pulmonary agent These substances are sometime referred to as pulmonary agent or lung irritants and cause injury to the lung-blood barrier resulting in Asphyxia.
These substances are sometime referred to as pulmonary agent or lung irritants and cause injury to the lung-blood barrier resulting in Asphyxia.
supposedly a video of Khadafi fleeing
http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/monde/story/La-video-de-la-fuite-de-Kadhafi--21755948
The Arab leader who handled protests most wisely is King Mohammed of #Morocco. He treated them as a sign of progress.
Morocco Protest Photo, Morocco Protest Pictures, Stills, Protester is arrested in
Morocco Protest Pictures & Photos Protester is arrested in Marrakech during one of a string of nationwide protests that brought thousands to the streets across ...more » Protester is arrested in Marrakech during one of a string of nationwide protests that brought thousands to the streets across Morocco on Sunday, Feb. 20, 2011, in an effort to push for greater democracy and constitutional reform. Protesters in Morocco and other Arab nations may also be wary as they watch Tunisia and Egypt grapple with the challenges of building a new system, and maintaining order, after breaking free of autocrats. (AP Photo / Tarik Najmaoui)
Protester is arrested in Marrakech during one of a string of nationwide protests that brought thousands to the streets across ...more »
Protester is arrested in Marrakech during one of a string of nationwide protests that brought thousands to the streets across Morocco on Sunday, Feb. 20, 2011, in an effort to push for greater democracy and constitutional reform. Protesters in Morocco and other Arab nations may also be wary as they watch Tunisia and Egypt grapple with the challenges of building a new system, and maintaining order, after breaking free of autocrats. (AP Photo / Tarik Najmaoui)
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Egypt's top prosecutor has requested the freezing of the foreign assets of Hosni Mubarak, 10 days after the president stood down amid mass rallies. Prosecutor General Abdel Magid Mahmud asked the Egyptian foreign minister to contact other nations on the issue. He said the freeze would apply to Mr Mubarak, his wife, his two sons and two daughters-in-law. Mr Mubarak is widely thought to have amassed a fortune during his nearly 30-year stay in power. Many protesters and anti-corruption campaigners have been pressing prosecutors to open an investigation into the Mubarak family's assets, put at anywhere from $1bn to $70bn (£616m - £43bn).
Egypt's top prosecutor has requested the freezing of the foreign assets of Hosni Mubarak, 10 days after the president stood down amid mass rallies.
Prosecutor General Abdel Magid Mahmud asked the Egyptian foreign minister to contact other nations on the issue.
He said the freeze would apply to Mr Mubarak, his wife, his two sons and two daughters-in-law.
Mr Mubarak is widely thought to have amassed a fortune during his nearly 30-year stay in power.
Many protesters and anti-corruption campaigners have been pressing prosecutors to open an investigation into the Mubarak family's assets, put at anywhere from $1bn to $70bn (£616m - £43bn).
#Libya justice minister has resigned over the deadly use of force against protesters.. http://bit.ly/gEBnqK #Feb17
Two jet fighters, believed to be Libyan Air Force Mirage jets, have landed at MIA earlier this afternoon. Shortly before the jet fighters landed, two helicopters touched down at MIA. Maltastar.com was in no position to confirm what was the nature of the visit. Unconfirmed sources claim that Libyan elite were on board the jets and helicopters The persons who were on board are being held for further investigation. Initial reports suggested that the èassengers were French nationals working for oil companies who evaquated from Tripoli.
AJE: Reports of huge march in Tripoli, live ammo and aircraft weaponry used against them. NOT CONFIRMED, but horrifying if true. #libya
ShababLibya Eye witness: tripoli is witnessing a 'bloodbath' #feb17 #libys 4 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® Retweeted by acarvin and 53 others You getting this from AlJaz or indy sources? RT @Tripolitanian: Air strikes across #Tripoli #Libya
1636: A senior source in Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's government denies Libya's Col Gaddafi is coming to Venezuela, Reuters further reports.
Libyan4life Aljazeera Arabic reports that the London Ambassador of #Libya resigns.
AJE: landlines in and out of Libya were just cut. Can anyone confirm????? #libya
If Tony Blair brings much more peace to the Middle East, there will be nobody left alive.
BBC & al-Jazeera are now saying military aircraft are attacking protestors in #Libya.
The demonstrators are now being called terrorists by the regime.
Foreign militia have been seen arriving in Tripoli airport this afternoon.
Ban Ki-moon spoke at length with Gadaffi this afternoon exorting him to stop firing on demonstrators.
Gadaffi is reportedly still in Libya. Chavez has denied that Gadaffi has sought refuge in Venezuela.
Two migs fled today to Malta with four Libyan pilots aboard.
france 24 shows many fleeing libya on foot across the tunisian border.
also that the bombings seemed random...
it's be cool to have an animation map of all these countries catching the changewave.
has the planet ever seen such a mass peeling away of bullshit in such a brief period?
and it still has shown no sign whatsoever of peaking.
too much bunga bunga? 'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
The regime has entered the same Twilight Zone Götterdämmerung the Nazis did under Hitler. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
That would be a different answer, yes? Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.
Frank Delaney ~ Ireland
I am reminded of both 1989 and 1848 (for somewhat different reasons). Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se
1968 might also be a proper good year to compare and contrast with. The viciousness is greater, but other than that there are similarities.
- Jake Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
1968 is also interesting. First thing that strikes me is the expansion of higher education, that thus led to a generation with a record high (for its time) unemployed educated group. Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se
Also, we don't know yet what precise mix of leftists and rightists, nationalists and pan-Arabists, secularists and sectarians is involved in the current crop of uprisings. And it's likely to be a different mix in different countries.
What I am getting at is that if this was 1848 the Tahrir crowd would have been demanding "Mubarak out and lets get a Pan-Arab congress" or "Mubarak out and lets conquer our lost territories in Gaza". Or at least that is my impression. Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se
1989 was much more of a "collapsing empire can't hang on to its tributaries" thing. In that sense, 1989 is more similar to the late '90s to early '00s anticolonial movement in Latin America.
(Incidentally, an important reason the 1989 colonial revolts didn't feature as much squabbling over borders was probably that Europe had spent the 141 years since 1848 shedding blood, tears and treasure in the effort to create ethnically "pure" states.)
Breaking reports that Gaddafi ordered air strikes against Benghazi as well
Haven't seen any reports these orders were carried out. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Air strikes were ordered by Gaddafi on Benghazi but pilots landed in the airport instead.
Not much time left.
Good concept. It's a shame its inventor discredited it so profoundly.
[One bizarre side-effect of having MAM as French foreign minister is that she almost manages to make Bernard Kouchner look good by comparison. Almost.] It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
Air interdiction to keep regime loyalists from flying is possible but it takes time to set it all up: get the planes ready, pilots briefed, CIC established, bases readied, get the AWAC in the air, establish logistics, etc., etc. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
An aircraft carrier would make things much simpler. Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
There are four main bases: BizerteSidi Ahmed, Gafsa, BizerteLa Karouba and Sfax.
The US 6th Fleet doesn't have an Aircraft Carrier. (Does have an amphibious assault ship that people confuse with with an air craft carrier.) The Fleet is capable of air defense but not capable of achieving air superiority. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
It's that people think anything with a flat-top, flight deck, is an aircraft carrier ... and it ain't so. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
On a linked theme, as the Middle East goes up in flames, is now the best time to be caught with aircraft carriers but no aircraft?
Any in Sicily, or around Naples?
Crete? Greece? Corsica? Keynesianism is intellectually hard, as evidenced by the inability of many trained economists to get it - Paul Krugman
MILAN (AFP) - Shockwaves from the unrest in Libya on Monday hit its former colonial overlord Italy -- a top foreign investor in Libya and a country in which the North African state has also invested billions. Libya's sovereign wealth fund and veteran ruler Moamer Kadhafi's family own stakes in Italy's biggest bank UniCredit, defence and industry giant Finmeccanica, as well as in the first-division Juventus football club. Shares in UniCredit plunged 5.75 percent by close of trading in Milan.
MILAN (AFP) - Shockwaves from the unrest in Libya on Monday hit its former colonial overlord Italy -- a top foreign investor in Libya and a country in which the North African state has also invested billions.
Libya's sovereign wealth fund and veteran ruler Moamer Kadhafi's family own stakes in Italy's biggest bank UniCredit, defence and industry giant Finmeccanica, as well as in the first-division Juventus football club.
Shares in UniCredit plunged 5.75 percent by close of trading in Milan.
Alessandro Profumo, one of the more enterprising figures in the conservative world of Italian finance, stepped down at an extraordinary board meeting last night and will be replaced, temporarily, by the bank's chairman, Dieter Rampl. The McKinsey-trained banker has been heavily criticised recently for his readiness to see Libyan state bodies increase their combined stakes in the bank to almost 7.5% - as the Italian bank hardest hit by the credit crunch scrambled for funds.Major shareholders have reportedly been concerned by Profumo's fundraising strategy and an anaemic dividend policy. The Libyan Central Bank is now UniCredit's third-largest shareholder and Libya's sovereign wealth fund its eighth-biggest.Umberto Bossi's populist Northern League movement has a say in the bank's affairs with its 4.6% holding through Fondazione Cariverona, a non-profit foundation based in Verona. Foundations own around 11% of UniCredit, and Profumo's courting of Libyan investment has been interpreted as an attempt to limit the foundations' influence.
Major shareholders have reportedly been concerned by Profumo's fundraising strategy and an anaemic dividend policy. The Libyan Central Bank is now UniCredit's third-largest shareholder and Libya's sovereign wealth fund its eighth-biggest.
Umberto Bossi's populist Northern League movement has a say in the bank's affairs with its 4.6% holding through Fondazione Cariverona, a non-profit foundation based in Verona. Foundations own around 11% of UniCredit, and Profumo's courting of Libyan investment has been interpreted as an attempt to limit the foundations' influence.
Shhh527 HRW on AJE: Last phone call to Tripoli 2 hrs ago. Can't connect now. #libya
The Libyan delegation to the UN has requested action by the UN against the pending bloodbath. They have called for a no-fly zone over Libya.
The Libyan delegation to the UN has requested action by the UN against the pending bloodbath.
#Libya deputy ambassador to U.N. says Gadhafi has declared war on Libyan people, is committing genocide. http://on.cnn.com/emQH5v 5 minutes ago via web U.S. State Dept. orders family members of U.S. Embassy employees, non-emergency personnel to leave Libya. http://on.cnn.com/emQH5v
BiancaJagger REMEMBER THIS ARTICLE IN THE DAILY MAIL: Tony Blair our very special adviser by dictator Gaddafi's son http://ow.ly/40gdf
Sit-in in front of parliament against Italy- Libya treaty this evening in Rome.
The regime has been throwing everything in their arsenal against the revolutionaries and it hasn't worked. They are still following the play book in Tripoli. Protester casualties have been high but it's not stopping them. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Libyan Navy Bombs Residential Areas
That's the act of a sociopath, lashing out at those who dare to stand-up to him.
Militarily it's pointless. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
RT @Anonymoosh: Al Jazeera: Army officers report that Gaddafi said: "I was the one who created Libya, and I will be the one to destroy it"
According to the blogger Hassan Al Jahmi, one of the leaders of the revolt, there is a bloodbath in Tripoli but with the exception of Tripoli and Sirte, Gadaffi's hometown, all of Libya has been liberated.
The Libyan Embassy in London has just seen its flag taken down and replaced by the protesters' flag
Nine people working at the Libyan embassy in London join demonstrators protesting against Col Gaddafi outside
The Libyan pilots that landed in Malta have requested political asylum, asserting that they prefered to flee rather than follow orders to fire on demonstrators.
@IanDunt only 69 years ago it was varied provinces not one Libya. But the thought of having 3 or 4 Gafdafis instead of one is not attractive
Adel Darwish (AdelDarwish) on Twitter
Libya's largest tribe (wagafahhah ) has switched side against Gaddafi; if his tribe fights it will be rerun of 1936 tribal war in Libya
It would be good news if so. And it would make sense as his tribe would not want to be on the receiving end of retaliation once it's realized Gadaffi is on his way out.
Breaking: Sabha tribes are on the move towards Tripoli
Reports that aid convoys that crossed into #Libya from #Egypt has reached Tobruq amid celebrations
YES!
Means the coast road from Egypt/Libyan border is open (89 miles.) From Tobruk to Benghazi is 278/448 (miles/kilometers) or (about) 6 hours. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Egy army has set up 2 field hospitals on border with Libya, camps to receive Egyptians (and Libyans) & is providing transport to Cairo contd
As if statutory rape, prostitution, & corruption weren't enough, tacit support of Qaddafi makes Berlusconi the West's most vile leader
Oil groups prepare to close down in Libya Executives asked not to be named as their companies were still in the process of evacuating staff. The oil fields in the south of the country run by international firms have their own airstrips. Until the last staffer is pulled out of the country, a process which could take hours or a few days, companies planned to keep production up. "But the last man will switch off the button," an executive said.
Executives asked not to be named as their companies were still in the process of evacuating staff. The oil fields in the south of the country run by international firms have their own airstrips. Until the last staffer is pulled out of the country, a process which could take hours or a few days, companies planned to keep production up.
"But the last man will switch off the button," an executive said.
@Marwabenhalim: The medical supplies convoy, 5 ambulances and 30 doctors has left this evening at 6 o'clock from Cairo
This is VASTLY more important than gearing-up for military intervention. There are thousands of people requiring medical care and the US 6th Fleet and other naval forces could be deployed to provide it. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Berlusconi calls attacks on protesters "unacceptable," EU should prevent it from becoming civil war. #libya
There's no substantial pro-Gadaffi group left in Libya. Only mercenaries, die-hards, and sociopaths versus 95% of Libyan population. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Berlusconi wanted the EU to formulate a declaration in favour of the territorial integrity of Libya, ostensably against the prospects of an Islamic Emirate of East Libya.
Off hand I don't know if Berlusconi has business stakes in East Libya. The Friendship Treaty provides for investments of five billion euro in Libya over the next 20 years which would likely favour Italian businesses more than Libyan. There was also to be created a sort of tax-free zone, which sounded similar to a fiscal paradise, for business investments. I don't recall the exact location of this zone or if it had been established in its entirety.
Certainly it would be great to make sense of the common business interests of the troika Berlusconi-Gadaffi-Putin.
Is the Eu doing anything other than waffle helplessly? Keynesianism is intellectually hard, as evidenced by the inability of many trained economists to get it - Paul Krugman
@marwame: [Al Jazeera Arabic]: Egyptian army declares the borders between Egypt and Libya completely open now
On another point the Libyan Minister of Emigration has resigned and defected.
Libyan army was equipped with anti-air and anti-tank missiles and weapon systems. Cannot find any information on how the Libyan Army and People's Militia units were stationed or positioned. Regime had 7 anti-air defense Battalions stationed somewhere -- perhaps centered in and around Tripoli?
Usually the anti-tank missiles are assigned to ground units ... so it's probable the revolutionary forces, which include regular Army units now, have some. Ditto for shoulder mounted anti-air missiles. Where these weapons are, and in what quantity, is unknown. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Possibly the "tanks" are self-propelled artillery?
No reports of infantry. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
10:40pm: Yusuf Al Qardawi, a leading Sunni cleric, has just issued a fatwa on Al Jazeera Arabic, encouraging the assassination of Gaddafi.
Yusuf al-Qaradawi (Arabic: يوسف القرضاوي Yūsuf al-Qaraḍāwiy; born September 9, 1926) is an Egyptian Islamic theologian. He is best known for his program, ash-Shariah wal-Hayat ("Shariah and Life"), broadcast on Al Jazeera, which has an estimated audience of 40 million worldwide.[1] He is also well-known for IslamOnline, a popular website he helped found in 1997 and for which he now serves as chief religious scholar.[2] Al-Qaradawi has also published more than 80 books, including The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam and Islam: The Future Civilization. He has also received eight international prizes for his contributions to Islamic scholarship,[3] and is considered one of the most influential such scholars living today.[1][4][5] Al-Qaradawi has long had a prominent role within the intellectual leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood,[6] an Egyptian political organization, but twice (in 1976 and 2004) turned down offers for the official role in the organization.[1][7] A 2008 Foreign Policy magazine poll placed al-Qaradawi at number three on its list of the top 20 public intellectuals worldwide.
Reuters: Venezuela's foreign min talked to his Libyan counterpart by phone, was told Gaddafi is still in Tripoli. #libya
Cyrenaican Ali Oujali (ambassador to United States) just now announced on AJA that he's against the killing going on in #Libya & is w/ ppl of #Libya
"Do what I want or I'll huff and puff and blow Libya to hell and gone." She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Professor David Held probably knows more about the beliefs of Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, son of the Libyan leader, Muammar Gaddafi, than anyone else in Britain.For four years, Held was an informal academic adviser to Saif, who has warned in an address on state television that protesters in Tripoli will be eradicated if they continue their unrest."Watching Saif give that speech - looking so exhausted, nervous and, frankly, terrible - was the stuff of Shakespeare and of Freud: a young man torn by a struggle between loyalty to his father and his family, and the beliefs he had come to hold for reform, democracy and the rule of law," said Held, author of books such as Restructuring Global Governance and Models of Democracy.Held was not Saif's tutor during his years at the LSE but the young man frequently sought out the professor for advice on his PhD, which called for greater democracy in global governance.
Professor David Held probably knows more about the beliefs of Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, son of the Libyan leader, Muammar Gaddafi, than anyone else in Britain.
For four years, Held was an informal academic adviser to Saif, who has warned in an address on state television that protesters in Tripoli will be eradicated if they continue their unrest.
"Watching Saif give that speech - looking so exhausted, nervous and, frankly, terrible - was the stuff of Shakespeare and of Freud: a young man torn by a struggle between loyalty to his father and his family, and the beliefs he had come to hold for reform, democracy and the rule of law," said Held, author of books such as Restructuring Global Governance and Models of Democracy.
Held was not Saif's tutor during his years at the LSE but the young man frequently sought out the professor for advice on his PhD, which called for greater democracy in global governance.
The next eldest son, by his second wife Safia, is Saif al-Islam Muammar Al-Gaddafi, who was born in 1972 and is an architect. He runs a charity (GIFCA) which has been involved in negotiating freedom for hostages taken by Islamic militants, especially in the Philippines. In 2006, after sharply criticizing his father's regime, Saif Al-Islam briefly left Libya, reportedly to take on a position in banking outside of the country. He returned to Libya soon after, launching an environment-friendly initiative to teach children how they can help clean up parts of Libya. He is involved in compensation negotiations with Italy and the United States.
In 1994, Saif al-Islam graduated with a BSc in Engineering Science from Tripoli's Al Fateh University, gained an MBA from Vienna's IMADEC University in 2000 and PhD from London School of Economics in 2008, awarded for a thesis entitled "The Role of civil society in the democratisation of global governance institutions: from 'soft power' to collective decision-making?"[2][3] He is an architect with his own architectural agency in Tripoli - the National Engineering Service and Supplies Company. Saif is the president of the Libyan National Association for Drugs and Narcotics Control (DNAG). In 1997, he founded the official charity, the Gaddafi International Foundation for Charity Associations, which has intervened in various hostage situations involving Islamic militants and the crisis of the HIV trial in Libya and the resulting European Union-Libyan rapprochement. Saif also performs public relations and diplomatic roles on behalf of his father. He has been mentioned as a possible successor, though he has denied this.[4] Speaking in Sabha on August 20, 2008, Saif said that he would no longer involve himself in state affairs. He noted that he had previously "intervene[d] due to the absence of institutions", but said that he would no longer do so. He dismissed any potential suggestion that this decision was due to disagreement with his father, saying that they were on good terms. He also called for political reforms within the context of the Jamahiriya system and rejected the notion that he could succeed his father, saying that "this is not a farm to inherit".[5] According to Landon Thomas of the New York Times, he has emerged as the Western-friendly face of Libya and symbol of its hopes for reform and openness.[6]
Saif is the president of the Libyan National Association for Drugs and Narcotics Control (DNAG). In 1997, he founded the official charity, the Gaddafi International Foundation for Charity Associations, which has intervened in various hostage situations involving Islamic militants and the crisis of the HIV trial in Libya and the resulting European Union-Libyan rapprochement. Saif also performs public relations and diplomatic roles on behalf of his father. He has been mentioned as a possible successor, though he has denied this.[4]
Speaking in Sabha on August 20, 2008, Saif said that he would no longer involve himself in state affairs. He noted that he had previously "intervene[d] due to the absence of institutions", but said that he would no longer do so. He dismissed any potential suggestion that this decision was due to disagreement with his father, saying that they were on good terms. He also called for political reforms within the context of the Jamahiriya system and rejected the notion that he could succeed his father, saying that "this is not a farm to inherit".[5]
According to Landon Thomas of the New York Times, he has emerged as the Western-friendly face of Libya and symbol of its hopes for reform and openness.[6]
Effectively without direct confirmable testimony in Libya it is hard to evaluate claims either way today.
Kahled Kaeem, Libyan Deputy FM is denying those planes in Malta are from #Libya b/c they dont have the #Libyan flag on them.......
Does the Express know something about Gaddafi that no one else does, or are those two headlines not connected?
Dozens of students & activists arrested in Zimbabwe for watching #AlJazeera's coverage of uprisings, reports New York Times
Italy FM absolutely rejects in strongest terms online rumours of Italian involvement in #Gaddafi airstrikes on civilians in #Libya
FT: Oil groups prepare to shut down operations in #Libya, price of crude rises
Cer Breaking on Al Jazeera says there are ads in Nigeria and Guinea requesting mercenaries for #Libya for $2000 a day.. #Feb17
@acarvin I am amazed how many people have 'classic' Libyan flags available. Seems many have been waiting for these days.
excuseme #LibyanTV, WHAT THE F"@&? I bieleve the police hired those to say that to support Saif's speech, drugged youth protesters he say! 14 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone The libyan tv showing tunisians & egyptions interviewed by police, they said they r drug dealers hired by outsiders to drug the protesters!!
Lord Owen calling for "airforces in the region with sufficient range to reach Libya to prevent any military action against civilians."
The Gaddafi s seem to be fixated on the words of William Hague ... Thats the second night running they have responded to him
Wonder if he has realized he's history? She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
For a minute there I thought things were about to get weird.
12 Dassault Mirage F1BD/EDMulti role fighter
Down to 10 since the colonels who defected to Malta had them.
Hardpoints: 1 centreline pylon, four underwing and two wingtip pylons with a capacity of 6,300 kg (13,900 lb) (practical maximum load 4,000 kg (8,800 lb)) and provisions to carry combinations of: * Rockets: 8× Matra rocket pods with 18× SNEB 68 mm rockets each * Bombs: various
* Rockets: 8× Matra rocket pods with 18× SNEB 68 mm rockets each * Bombs: various
40 Su-22M3/UM-3K Ground attack
Up to 4000 kg (8,820 lb) on ten hardpoints (three under the fixed portion of each wing, four on the fuselage sides), including free-fall bombs, rocket pods, cluster bombs, SPPU-22-01 cannon pods with traversable barrels, ECM pods, napalm tanks, and nuclear weapons.
I doubt anyone was dumb enough to give that maniac nukes.
3 Sukhoi Su-24 Long range bomber
# Up to 8,000 kg (17,640 lb) ordnance on 8 hardpoints, including up to 4 × Kh-23 radio-command missiles; up to 4 × Kh-25ML laser-guided missiles; up to 2 × Kh-28 , Kh-58 , or Kh-31P up to 3 × Kh-29L/T laser/TV-guided missiles; up to 2 × Kh-59 'Ovod' TV-command guided missiles, or KAB-500KR TV-guided and KAB-500L laser-guided bombs. Unguided rocket launchers with 55 mm S-5 rockets, 80 mm S-8 rockets, or 120 mm S-13 rockets. Other weapon options include general-purpose bombs, external gun pods
Other weapon options include general-purpose bombs, external gun pods
40 Soko J-21 Jastreb Light ground attack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko_J-21_Jastreb
110 Aero L-39 Light attack/trainer
Puny, but there is a lot of them.
Up to 284 kg (626 lb) of stores on two external hardpoints
116 Soko G-2 Galeb
Again, puny but a lot.
Hardpoints: 4 with a capacity of 300 kg (660 lb) total
How many of these things are operational is a good question. Except for the Mirages all these things are Warsaw Pact era weapons. Countering that: there is a lot of 'em, "quantity has a quality of its own," and the revolutionaries have zero air defense capability.
Even with that, I have a hard time seeing what the point is of having the Libyan Air Force bombing Libyans. OK, these things fly over a city, drop bombs, and land. Then what? Fly over a city, drop more bombs, and land. Then what? You can rinse, lather, repeat as long as there is fuel to fly and bombs to drop but there's no military value in this process because it doesn't impose the regime's will on the populace or battlefield, interdict logistics, or degrade the revolutionaries ability to conduct military operations (to dignify what they are doing by that phrase.)
The only thing I can figure is Gadaffi is being a psychopathic asshole, dragging as many Libyans as he can along with him on his path to death. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
The main airbase is the Mitiga International Airport located about 7 miles west north west of Tripoli. It was originally named the Mellaha Air Base. originally built by the Italians in 1924 took over by the by the US in 1943 and renamed Wheelus Air Base.
I doubt the revolutionaries have the command structure and TO to organize an attack. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Deep cracks were showing and Gaddafi seemed to be losing vital support, as Libyan government officials at home and abroad resigned, air force pilots defected and major government buildings were targeted during clashes in the capital. At least 61 people were killed in the capital city on Monday, witnesses told Al Jazeera. The protests appeared to be gathering momentum, with demonstrators saying they have taken control of several important towns and the city of Benghazi, to the east of Tripoli. .... With reports of large-scale military operations under way in Tripoli, a spokesperson for Ban Ki-moon said the UN chief held extensive discussions with Gaddafi on Monday, condemned the escalating violence in Libya and told him that it "must stop immediately". UN Council, Arab League to meet The UN Security Council will hold a closed-door meeting on Tuesday to discuss the crisis in Libya, diplomats said. They said the meeting, known as consultations, had been requested by Libyan deputy ambassador Ibrahim Dabbashi and would start at 1400 GMT. Dabbashi and other diplomats at Libya's mission to the UN on Monday said they sided with protesters in Libya. Earlier, Hamad Bin Jassim Bin Jabr Al-Thani, Qatar's prime minister and foreign minister, called for an extraordinary meeting of the Arab League to take place on Tuesday. The aim is to discuss the current crisis in Libya and to put additional "pressure" on the government, Al-Thani told Al Jazeera.
At least 61 people were killed in the capital city on Monday, witnesses told Al Jazeera. The protests appeared to be gathering momentum, with demonstrators saying they have taken control of several important towns and the city of Benghazi, to the east of Tripoli.
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With reports of large-scale military operations under way in Tripoli, a spokesperson for Ban Ki-moon said the UN chief held extensive discussions with Gaddafi on Monday, condemned the escalating violence in Libya and told him that it "must stop immediately".
UN Council, Arab League to meet
The UN Security Council will hold a closed-door meeting on Tuesday to discuss the crisis in Libya, diplomats said. They said the meeting, known as consultations, had been requested by Libyan deputy ambassador Ibrahim Dabbashi and would start at 1400 GMT. Dabbashi and other diplomats at Libya's mission to the UN on Monday said they sided with protesters in Libya.
Earlier, Hamad Bin Jassim Bin Jabr Al-Thani, Qatar's prime minister and foreign minister, called for an extraordinary meeting of the Arab League to take place on Tuesday. The aim is to discuss the current crisis in Libya and to put additional "pressure" on the government, Al-Thani told Al Jazeera.
CAIRO -- Deep cracks opened in Moammar Gadhafi's regime Monday, with Libyan government officials at home and abroad resigning, air force pilots defecting and a major government building ablaze after clashes in the capital of Tripoli. Protesters called for another night of defiance against the Arab world's longest-serving leader despite a crackdown. .... The heaviest fighting so far has been in the east. Security forces in Benghazi opened fire on Sunday on protesters storming police stations and government buildings. But in several instances, units of the military turned against them and sided with protesters. By Monday, protesters had claimed control of the city, overrunning its main security headquarters, called the Katiba. Celebrating protesters raised the flag of the country's old monarchy, toppled in 1969 by a Gadhafi-led military coup, over Benghazi's main courthouse and on tanks around the city. "Gadhafi needs one more push and he is gone," said Amal Roqaqie, a lawyer at the Benghazi court, saying protesters are "imposing a new reality. ... Tripoli will be our capital. We are imposing a new order and new state, a civil constitutional and with transitional government."
The heaviest fighting so far has been in the east. Security forces in Benghazi opened fire on Sunday on protesters storming police stations and government buildings. But in several instances, units of the military turned against them and sided with protesters. By Monday, protesters had claimed control of the city, overrunning its main security headquarters, called the Katiba.
Celebrating protesters raised the flag of the country's old monarchy, toppled in 1969 by a Gadhafi-led military coup, over Benghazi's main courthouse and on tanks around the city.
"Gadhafi needs one more push and he is gone," said Amal Roqaqie, a lawyer at the Benghazi court, saying protesters are "imposing a new reality. ... Tripoli will be our capital. We are imposing a new order and new state, a civil constitutional and with transitional government."
In an update to this article:
Today 4:57 PM Reports: Libyan Officers Ask Army To Head To Tripoli, Remove Gadhafi SultanAlQassemi @ SultanAlQassemi : Breaking Al Jazeera: Statement by Libyan Military Officers asks all members of the Libyan army to head to Tripoli & remove Gaddafi #Libya
SultanAlQassemi @ SultanAlQassemi : Breaking Al Jazeera: Statement by Libyan Military Officers asks all members of the Libyan army to head to Tripoli & remove Gaddafi #Libya
A later Sultan Al Qassemi's tweet:
SultanAlQassemi 1. Al Manar Breaking: Political Activists: Three senior generals in the Libyan army have joined the protesters.
If confirmed, Sultan Al Qassemi's tweets could indicate that, within a day or two we may finally have: "NO MORE MOAMMAR!" "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
That should be "longest-selfserving"... Keynesianism is intellectually hard, as evidenced by the inability of many trained economists to get it - Paul Krugman
Cruel. Vainglorious. Steeped in blood. And now, surely, after more than four decades of terror and oppression, on his way out?
A taste:
So even the old, paranoid, crazed fox of Libya - the pallid, infantile, droop-cheeked dictator from Sirte, owner of his own female praetorian guard, author of the preposterous Green Book, who once announced he would ride to a Non-Aligned Movement summit in Belgrade on his white charger - is going to ground.
And if what we are witnessing is a true revolution in Libya, then we shall soon be able - unless the Western embassy flunkies get there first for a spot of serious, desperate looting - to rifle through the Tripoli files and read the Libyan version of Lockerbie and the 1989 UTA Flight 722 plane bombing; and of the Berlin disco bombings, for which a host of Arab civilians and Gaddafi's own adopted daughter were killed in America's 1986 revenge raids; and of his IRA arms supplies and of his assassination of opponents at home and abroad, and of the murder of a British policewoman, and of his invasion of Chad and the deals with British oil magnates; and (woe betide us all at this point) of the truth behind the grotesque deportation of the soon-to-expire al-Megrahi, the supposed Lockerbie bomber too ill to die, who may, even now, reveal some secrets which the Fox of Libya - along with Gordon Brown and the Attorney General for Scotland, for all are equal on the Gaddafi world stage - would rather we didn't know about. And who knows what the Green Book Archives - and please, O insurgents of Libya, do NOT in thy righteous anger burn these priceless documents - will tell us about Lord Blair's supine visit to this hideous old man; an addled figure whose "statesmanlike" gesture (the words, of course, come from that old Marxist fraud Jack Straw, when the author of Escape to Hell promised to hand over the nuclear nick-nacks which his scientists had signally failed to turn into a bomb) allowed our own faith-based Leader to claim that, had we not smitten the Saddamites with our justified anger because of their own non-existent weapons of mass destruction, Libya, too, would have joined the Axis of Evil.
And who knows what the Green Book Archives - and please, O insurgents of Libya, do NOT in thy righteous anger burn these priceless documents - will tell us about Lord Blair's supine visit to this hideous old man; an addled figure whose "statesmanlike" gesture (the words, of course, come from that old Marxist fraud Jack Straw, when the author of Escape to Hell promised to hand over the nuclear nick-nacks which his scientists had signally failed to turn into a bomb) allowed our own faith-based Leader to claim that, had we not smitten the Saddamites with our justified anger because of their own non-existent weapons of mass destruction, Libya, too, would have joined the Axis of Evil.
"Your passports please," said the young man in civilian clothing toting an AK-47 at the Libyan border. "For what?" responded our driver, Saleh, a burly, bearded man who had picked us up just moments before. "There is no government. What is the point?" He pulled away with a dismissive laugh.
"For what?" responded our driver, Saleh, a burly, bearded man who had picked us up just moments before. "There is no government. What is the point?" He pulled away with a dismissive laugh.
The Libyan army is one of the poorest and most neglected security sector in the government. They are poorly fed , equipped, trained and payed. They are mostly ceremonial and Qaddafi does not trust them. So what we have here are private battalions with each of his sons owning the one named for him. So for example his son Khamees has a battalion belonging to him calling it "Kateebit Khamees." Each is placed in private super huge barracks situated strategically around Tripoli for situations like these. These battalions are well-equipped, trained and paid and are extremely loyal not to the country but to the leader of their battalion. So to answer your question the regular army is non-compliant and has mostly sided with the people. Remember they are poorly-equipped and so can be of only limited help. However, the battalions belonging to the regime itself are very much in the fight and are killing people wholesale. Still their numbers are not so great to cover this huge country so it seems they are complemented by mercenaries.
So to answer your question the regular army is non-compliant and has mostly sided with the people. Remember they are poorly-equipped and so can be of only limited help. However, the battalions belonging to the regime itself are very much in the fight and are killing people wholesale. Still their numbers are not so great to cover this huge country so it seems they are complemented by mercenaries.
Yesterday Saif al Islam gave the Libyans 48 hours to think it over. Well things picked up pace less than three hours after his announcement.
This is the strongest statement issued by any government or quasi-government entity, e.g., the UN. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
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6,461,454 country comparison to the world: 101 note: includes 166,510 non-nationals (July 2010 est.)
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Population - 2010 estimate 6,420,000[1] (105th) - 2006 census 5,670,6881
You would vandalize the commons just to make a point? Keynesianism is intellectually hard, as evidenced by the inability of many trained economists to get it - Paul Krugman
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