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by afew Wed Feb 23rd, 2011 at 02:11:22 PM EST
A new thread for events in Libya and protest movements elsewhere.
Saudi's $36bn bid to beat unrest King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia announced financial support measures, worth an estimated SR135bn ($36bn), in a bid to avert the kind of popular unrest that has toppled leaders across the region and is now closing in on Libya's Muammer Gaddafi. The measures include a 15 per cent salary rise for public employees to offset inflation, reprieves for imprisoned debtors, and financial aid for students and the unemployed. Saudi Arabia's ruling family has thus far been spared the type of popular discontent that has toppled presidents in Tunisia and Egypt and brought Libya to the brink of civil war.
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia announced financial support measures, worth an estimated SR135bn ($36bn), in a bid to avert the kind of popular unrest that has toppled leaders across the region and is now closing in on Libya's Muammer Gaddafi.
The measures include a 15 per cent salary rise for public employees to offset inflation, reprieves for imprisoned debtors, and financial aid for students and the unemployed.
Saudi Arabia's ruling family has thus far been spared the type of popular discontent that has toppled presidents in Tunisia and Egypt and brought Libya to the brink of civil war.
reprieves for imprisoned debtors,
They have debtor's prisons? How... bizarre. The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
It's not a crime to owe money, and debtors' prisons were abolished in the United States in the 19th century. But people are routinely being thrown in jail for failing to pay debts. In Minnesota, which has some of the most creditor-friendly laws in the country, the use of arrest warrants against debtors has jumped 60 percent over the past four years, with 845 cases in 2009, a Star Tribune analysis of state court data has found.
This is not the Europe that the revolution in the Arab world needs. The silence and inaction with which the EU received the demonstrations that overthrew Ben Ali and Mubarak in Tunisia and Egypt, have now been followed by a lukewarm reaction to the massacre perpetrated by Gaddafi. When a tyrant sends in tanks and planes against his own people, it is simply ignominious to speak of restraint in the use of force. These are not the first crimes committed by Gaddafi, but they are the most shameless. Regarding them, the EU has shown that it is more concerned with how to keep the Libyans shut up within their own frontiers, than with supporting citizens who have been risking their lives to speak out, and to bring down a tyranny of decades.
Sign in Darna demonstration today: "Rats do not face bullets with their bare chests, they hide in bunkers & give speeches."
8.10pm: The US will consider possibly freezing assets belonging to the Libyan government and Gaddafi as it weighs its response to Libya's political crisis but no decision has been taken yet, the state department said.8.06pm: A source in the Janzour district in east Tripoli spoke to Al Jazeera and said there were plain clothed men with swords in the streets. She said her family had barricaded their front door with couches and furniture, to try and prevent them breaking in. The source reported hearing "booming sounds in the near distance," which she thought were doors being broken down at other houses. 7.57pm: A source speaking to Al Jazeera from the outskirts of Tripoli, said that a number of tanks and cars carrying gun-weilding Gaddafi-supporters were in the Tajura district of the capital, heading towards the city center.
8.10pm: The US will consider possibly freezing assets belonging to the Libyan government and Gaddafi as it weighs its response to Libya's political crisis but no decision has been taken yet, the state department said.
8.06pm: A source in the Janzour district in east Tripoli spoke to Al Jazeera and said there were plain clothed men with swords in the streets. She said her family had barricaded their front door with couches and furniture, to try and prevent them breaking in. The source reported hearing "booming sounds in the near distance," which she thought were doors being broken down at other houses.
7.57pm: A source speaking to Al Jazeera from the outskirts of Tripoli, said that a number of tanks and cars carrying gun-weilding Gaddafi-supporters were in the Tajura district of the capital, heading towards the city center.
Youssef Sawan, who quit as director of the Gaddafi International Charitable Foundation
#Libya's state TV airs names of officers joining pro #Gaddafi demos, describe'm as 'free officers' #Feb17 less than a minute ago via Mobile Web #Libya's state TV says 'honorable citizens' continue apprehending 'vandalizers' #Feb17 5 minutes ago via Mobile Web #Libya's state TV urges 'those who like to film with their cell phones' to email footage of pro #Gaddafi demos #Feb17 8 minutes ago via Mobile Web Pro #Gaddafi protesters on #Libya's state TV curse @AlJazeera. As if Arab youth had no reasons to revolt..
10.38pm: More than 2, 000 people have been killed in Benghazi alone over the past few days, a French doctor told Le Point Magazine. The doctor also said that those attacking anti-government protesters included foreign mercenaries from Chad and Niger.
Workers in Benghazi power plant refused Tripoli's orders to cut electricity to city. Power supply now more reliable than before. #Libya
This is amazing. So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
As first western TV crew to make it to Benghazi we were greeted like liberators, pelted with candy, cheers and thanks. Very humbling. #Libya
Ad-hoc government in Benghazi in contact with Qaddafi's tribe, telling them they are opposed to his rule, not his tribe. #Libya
Barack Obama, the US president, has said the violent crackdown in Libya violated international norms and that he had ordered his national security team to prepare the full range of options for dealing with the crisis. "I have also asked my administration to prepare the full range of options that we may have to respond to this crisis," Obama said in his first televised comments on the Libya crisis on Wednesday. The US president said he would send Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to Geneva for a meeting of the United Nations Human Rights Council at the weekend and for talks with allied foreign ministers. The Obama administration said earlier that it was looking at imposing sanctions on Libya to punish it for a violent crackdown on protesters seeking ouster of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.
Barack Obama, the US president, has said the violent crackdown in Libya violated international norms and that he had ordered his national security team to prepare the full range of options for dealing with the crisis.
"I have also asked my administration to prepare the full range of options that we may have to respond to this crisis," Obama said in his first televised comments on the Libya crisis on Wednesday.
The US president said he would send Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to Geneva for a meeting of the United Nations Human Rights Council at the weekend and for talks with allied foreign ministers.
The Obama administration said earlier that it was looking at imposing sanctions on Libya to punish it for a violent crackdown on protesters seeking ouster of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.
This aerial danger is being overinflated by the Western powers to legitimize the enforcement of a no fly zone, which means NATO is in. 1 minute ago via Echofon @shadihamid How many aerial bombardments happened today in Libya by pro-Qaddafi forces? Do u have a figure? 3 minutes ago via Echofon in reply to shadihamid Which would be catastrophic. We can't have them on our borders RT @shadihamid It would b NATO that would enforce nofly zone @3arabawy #libya 8 minutes ago via Echofon Except I hope I don't c NATO RT @shadihamid: According to estimates deaths in #Libya over 2000. Model here's Bosnia/Kosovo not Egypt/Tunisia
Those troops which have been involved in the Afghan massacres cannot be the guardians of the Libyan revolution suddenly. #NATO
One can agree with Qaddafi or not. The world has been invaded with all kinds of news, especially using the mass media. One has to wait the necessary length of time in order to learn precisely what is the truth and what are lies, or a mixture of events of every kind that, in the midst of chaos, were produced in Libya. For me, what is absolutely clear is that the government of the United States is not in the least worried about peace in Libya and it will not hesitate in giving NATO the order to invade that rich country, perhaps in a matter of hours or a few short days. Those who with perfidious intentions invented the lie that Gaddafi was headed for Venezuela, just as they did yesterday afternoon on Sunday the 20th of February, today received an fitting response from Foreign Affairs Minister Nicolás Maduro when he literally stated that he was "wishing that the Libyan people would find, in the exercise of their sovereignty, a peaceful solution to their difficulties, that would preserve the integrity of the Libyan people and nation, without the interference of imperialism..." As for me, I cannot imagine that the Libyan leader would abandon his country; escaping the responsibilities he is charged with, whether or not they are partially or totally false. An honest person shall always be against any injustice being committed against any people in the world, and the worst of all, at this moment, would be to remain silent in the face of the crime that NATO is getting ready to commit against the Libyan people.
Those who with perfidious intentions invented the lie that Gaddafi was headed for Venezuela, just as they did yesterday afternoon on Sunday the 20th of February, today received an fitting response from Foreign Affairs Minister Nicolás Maduro when he literally stated that he was "wishing that the Libyan people would find, in the exercise of their sovereignty, a peaceful solution to their difficulties, that would preserve the integrity of the Libyan people and nation, without the interference of imperialism..."
As for me, I cannot imagine that the Libyan leader would abandon his country; escaping the responsibilities he is charged with, whether or not they are partially or totally false.
An honest person shall always be against any injustice being committed against any people in the world, and the worst of all, at this moment, would be to remain silent in the face of the crime that NATO is getting ready to commit against the Libyan people.
I spoke with family in Benghazi, which is proof no foreign intervention needed, they formed a gov, no looting everybody at peace #Libya about 1 hour ago via web
LibyanYouthMovement (ShababLibya) on Twitter
@UN @BarackObama Libyans demand a no-fly zone over Libya now! #libya #gaddaficrimes #feb17 about 7 hours ago via web
Libyan leader Col. Moammar Gadhafi clung to power while gunshots echoed in the capital, the international community moved toward isolating him and more territory slipped from his control, putting additional power into the hands of the fractious tribal groups in outlying areas of the country.
1:31am: The U.N. Development Program has dropped Libyan leader's Muammar Gaddafi's daughter as a goodwill ambassador
Live Blog - Libya Feb 24 | Al Jazeera Blogs
1:48am: Aisha, Gaddafi's daughter, has appeared on state television, denying a report she tried to flee to Malta. "I am steadfastly here," she said. She added she was unaware of a report she had been dropped by the United Nations as a goodwill ambassador.
Nicolas Sarkozy is leading the calls for a Nato-imposed no-fly zone to be enforced over Libya to "prevent the use of that country's warplanes against [its] population". Sarkozy, the current president of the G8 and G20 economic forums, has also called for the European Union to impose sanctions against Libya and suggested that the assets of the family of the Libyan leader, Muammar Gaddafi, should be frozen.
Sarkozy, the current president of the G8 and G20 economic forums, has also called for the European Union to impose sanctions against Libya and suggested that the assets of the family of the Libyan leader, Muammar Gaddafi, should be frozen.
Neither Wm. Hague nor David Cameron endorsed the call, but there was this:
Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, the former foreign secretary Lord Owen became the first British politician to call for a no-fly zone, adding that the west should be concerned about the possibility that Gaddafi would unleash chemical weapons. "We know that this is a person who could unleash either chemical or biological weapons, which he possibly still has. He is one of the worst despots we have seen for many a century. He is deeply unstable, and has been for 42 years," Owen said. He called for a UN charter chapter 7 intervention - meaning the authorisation of military and non-military means to "restore international peace and security" - to be enforced by Nato air forces with Egyptian military support to demonstrate regional backing for the effort.
"We know that this is a person who could unleash either chemical or biological weapons, which he possibly still has. He is one of the worst despots we have seen for many a century. He is deeply unstable, and has been for 42 years," Owen said.
He called for a UN charter chapter 7 intervention - meaning the authorisation of military and non-military means to "restore international peace and security" - to be enforced by Nato air forces with Egyptian military support to demonstrate regional backing for the effort.
Meanwhile, Libya's former Deputy UN Ambassador was reported to advocate a flight ban:
Demands for a ban on flights over Libya have been made by Ibrahim al-Dabashi, the country's deputy ambassador to the UN, who is among diplomats who have abandoned Gaddafi. He said the measure would prevent mercenaries, weapons and other supplies from reaching Gaddafi and his security forces. There have also been fears that Gaddafi could resort to bombing his own people.
He said the measure would prevent mercenaries, weapons and other supplies from reaching Gaddafi and his security forces. There have also been fears that Gaddafi could resort to bombing his own people.
Another possibility would be to seek cover from the Arab League. Conservative regimes might be persuaded that quick, decisive action will be less damaging to them that a drawn-out, agonizing spectacle that might rouse further popular protest. It would be best were such action taken by other Arab states. Egypt and Tunisia have obvious interests as neighbors and could be encouraged to act together, in concert with other Arab states, to bring the situation to a close. Interestingly, the current Secretary General of the Arab League in Cairo might be persuaded to support such an approach. If successful, such action likely would not do his political career any harm:
Arab League leader says nations shouldn't fear revolts By Leila Fadel WaPo CAIRO - As Arab League ambassadors convened for an emergency meeting Monday, the organization's secretary general said he had told the group that "we should not be afraid or concerned'' about revolts now sweeping the region. It was in some ways a surprising message from the leader of a 22-nation group that embodies the existing order. The Arab League meeting at the organization's headquarters was the first since the toppling of leaders in Tunisia and Egypt, two important member states. But the leader, Amr Moussa, a former Egyptian foreign minister, is making plain that he no longer sees his role as being to defend the status quo. "I conveyed the message that the winds of change are sweeping our societies," Moussa said in an interview Monday. He urged a "feeling of optimism that this is the future,'' and said that in day's session the Arab League ambassadors had "saluted'' and "greeted" the revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia. Moussa is steping down from his position as early as next month. He said in the interview that there was a "good possibility" that he would seek to become Egypt's next president, once constitutional changes are put in place to allow for open elections.
CAIRO - As Arab League ambassadors convened for an emergency meeting Monday, the organization's secretary general said he had told the group that "we should not be afraid or concerned'' about revolts now sweeping the region.
It was in some ways a surprising message from the leader of a 22-nation group that embodies the existing order. The Arab League meeting at the organization's headquarters was the first since the toppling of leaders in Tunisia and Egypt, two important member states.
But the leader, Amr Moussa, a former Egyptian foreign minister, is making plain that he no longer sees his role as being to defend the status quo.
"I conveyed the message that the winds of change are sweeping our societies," Moussa said in an interview Monday. He urged a "feeling of optimism that this is the future,'' and said that in day's session the Arab League ambassadors had "saluted'' and "greeted" the revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia.
Moussa is steping down from his position as early as next month. He said in the interview that there was a "good possibility" that he would seek to become Egypt's next president, once constitutional changes are put in place to allow for open elections.
Getting the Arab League to agree to anything is a long shot, but getting the Secretary General's backing could provide some cover. "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
#Libya's state TV up again #Feb17 about 1 hour ago via web #Libya state TV patchy.. Keeps going up and down. What does that mean? #Feb17 about 3 hours ago via Mobile Web #Libya state TV gone black #Feb17
Death Toll in Libya Is Most Likely More Than 1,000, Italy Says - http://nyti.ms/hkEBxU
It Italy itself, Berlusconi is shocked by Ghadaffi's verbal violence, and is afraid he will fire missiles at Italy.
Raccontano che il Cavaliere sia rimasto scioccato dalla violenza verbale di Gheddafi. Soprattutto dalle accuse all'Italia - accuse reiterate nonostante la telefonata tra i due - di manovrare dietro gli insorti rifornendoli di armi pesanti. A margine della riunione serale a palazzo Chigi sull'emergenza, Berlusconi ha confessato la sua paura a un ministro: "Dobbiamo stare attenti con Gheddafi, è un pazzo. Ci ha già sparato un missile una volta, non è che ce ne tira un altro contro?".
8:30am Algerians returning home from Libya speak to Al Jazeera. One man who was in Tripoli tells us, as foreigners, they were targeted: "It was just crazy. It did not make sense. There were so many mercenaries shooting at people." Our reporter asked if he saw the mercenaries with his own eyes.Yes, I did. Of course I did. They entered houses - but even the Libyans used violence against the foreigners - Moroccan, Tunisian, all Arabs - under the pretext they were against the regime.
8:30am Algerians returning home from Libya speak to Al Jazeera. One man who was in Tripoli tells us, as foreigners, they were targeted: "It was just crazy. It did not make sense. There were so many mercenaries shooting at people." Our reporter asked if he saw the mercenaries with his own eyes.
Yes, I did. Of course I did. They entered houses - but even the Libyans used violence against the foreigners - Moroccan, Tunisian, all Arabs - under the pretext they were against the regime.
An Algerian woman tells Al Jazeera, having fled Libya:I feel like crying, I am so happy to be back in Algeria. Thank God I escaped the carnage.Did you see Baghdad? It was like being in Baghdad. They used planes, helicopters. People, women, were screaming, as they were slaughtering people. There were about 60 dead people in Green Square in the centre of Tripoli, these 60 people were slaughtered.High buildings, the ministry of justice, were burned down. We were just working there, trying to make a living. Thank God, bless him, has helped us. It took us four days to get to the airprort. You need too many papers to get in and leave the country.
An Algerian woman tells Al Jazeera, having fled Libya:
I feel like crying, I am so happy to be back in Algeria. Thank God I escaped the carnage.Did you see Baghdad? It was like being in Baghdad. They used planes, helicopters. People, women, were screaming, as they were slaughtering people. There were about 60 dead people in Green Square in the centre of Tripoli, these 60 people were slaughtered.High buildings, the ministry of justice, were burned down. We were just working there, trying to make a living. Thank God, bless him, has helped us. It took us four days to get to the airprort. You need too many papers to get in and leave the country.
I feel like crying, I am so happy to be back in Algeria. Thank God I escaped the carnage.Did you see Baghdad? It was like being in Baghdad. They used planes, helicopters. People, women, were screaming, as they were slaughtering people. There were about 60 dead people in Green Square in the centre of Tripoli, these 60 people were slaughtered.
High buildings, the ministry of justice, were burned down. We were just working there, trying to make a living. Thank God, bless him, has helped us. It took us four days to get to the airprort. You need too many papers to get in and leave the country.
Charles Levinson of the Wall Street Journal tweets:Meeting of Bayda elders gave us standing ovation today. 1st time meeting wstrn journos in 42yrs. Gadhafi says foreign journos = al qaeda
Charles Levinson of the Wall Street Journal tweets:
Meeting of Bayda elders gave us standing ovation today. 1st time meeting wstrn journos in 42yrs. Gadhafi says foreign journos = al qaeda
According to Al Hurra TV, son of Gaddafi, Saif ul Arab, who was sent by his father to suppress the protesters in the east region of Libya, joined the revolutionists. Saif ul Arab having combat troops and millitary equipments that was sent to the region joined the protestors. He also added: My father (Moammar Ghaddafi) would commit suicide or flee to Latin America.
Saif ul Arab having combat troops and millitary equipments that was sent to the region joined the protestors.
He also added: My father (Moammar Ghaddafi) would commit suicide or flee to Latin America.
Note: Al Hurra is unreliable. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
A Serbian newspaper claims it has received information from the military that indicates Serbian mercenaries are fighting to protect Muammar Gaddafi. The source in the Serbian military claims the so called " dogs of war" were the first to arrive in Tripoli and are now helping patrol the city and presumably killing civilians as reported by other agencies. It goes on to say that Gaddafi trusts Serb mercenaries because they are "good"(at killing?) and because Libya has had a long relationship working with Serbs over the past 20 years.
SMALL pockets of unrest are appearing in North Korea as the repressive regime struggles to feed its people, South Korean media reported yesterday.
Mind now set to "Boggle." She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Slide show from Misurata: here.
Most of it looks like old Warsaw Pact stuff, god only knows in what condition. Even if only 30% of it works the regime is in deep trouble. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
*Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
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Austrian economist? Sigh... *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Al Jazeera: Anti Gaddafi protesters take control of the town of Zwara, 110km/68 miles west of Tripoli.
Taajoura is presently surrounded by Gadaffi forces. An attack is expected soon.
Apparently Gadaffi is trying to block the march on Tripoli programmed for tomorrow by taking Az-Zawiyah and Taajoura.
Another report of a "fundamentalist" emirat having been set up in a city in the East has been denied by the local mullah who also declares his support of the uprising.
There. Az-Zawiya on this map.
Kind of strategic place. Holding Tripoli without holding Az-Zawiya would be kind of useless for a strongman who pays people with oil revenues.
I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
The scare tactic seems more to galvanize the low-brow conservative vote to get out and vote in prospective elections. It is also thrown around to pass the cross onto Europe. The treaties between Italy and Libya on illegal immigration are already financed 50-50 by Italy and the UE. Libya does not pay a cent for setting up Libyan detention camps or patrolling its coast. It's all outsourced by the Italian government with some European funds.
This is not riots. It's war. Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
Furthermore, the fact that he can't or won't go on TV again says a lot. Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
He really needs to take some rhetoric classes.
You bet. The guy doesn't have a hope of becoming a convincing long-term dictator without it. :)
The guy doesn't have a hope of becoming remaining a convincing long-term dictator (for more than another week) without it.
FIFY :)
The same insane or amphetamine fueled rhetoric, but a well organized, well trained, fiercely loyal army, he could well be dictator for years yet.
It says something that when people loyal to the insurrection took over the power plant to supply Benghazi, the quality of power supply improved. Its not just the fact that army units are defecting ~ its also that it could be that the units that defect will be higher quality fighting forces with better esprit de corps than the ones who's to officers retain their loyalty to the regime. I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
Saudi youth call for protest in solidarity with Libyan uprising.
A group of Saudi youth Thursday called for a peaceful demonstration in the coastal city of Jeddah in solidarity with anti-government protesters in Libya. In a printed statement distributed around Riyadh, a group calling itself Jeddah Youth for Change asked people to demonstrate near the al-Beia roundabout in Jeddah on Friday.
In a printed statement distributed around Riyadh, a group calling itself Jeddah Youth for Change asked people to demonstrate near the al-Beia roundabout in Jeddah on Friday.
10:57pm: From our lead story on Libya tonight: Mustafa Abdel Galil, who resigned three days ago from his post as the country's justice minister, spoke to Al Jazeera at a meeting of tribal leaders and representatives of eastern Libya in the city of Al Baida. He warned that Gaddafi has biological and chemical weapons, and will not hesitate to use them. 'We call on the international community and the UN to prevent Gaddafi from going on with his plans in Tripoli,' he said. 'At the end when he's really pressured, he can do anything. I think Gaddafi will burn everything left behind him.'
Mustafa Abdel Galil, who resigned three days ago from his post as the country's justice minister, spoke to Al Jazeera at a meeting of tribal leaders and representatives of eastern Libya in the city of Al Baida.
He warned that Gaddafi has biological and chemical weapons, and will not hesitate to use them.
'We call on the international community and the UN to prevent Gaddafi from going on with his plans in Tripoli,' he said.
'At the end when he's really pressured, he can do anything. I think Gaddafi will burn everything left behind him.'
We should be actively working with the Tunisian and Egyptian military to equip and facilitate suitable Libyan "protesters" to take out key Gadaffi assets, including his aircraft and helicopters. Night vision equipment, transport equipment, if required, coordinates, satellite links, specialized weapons, etc. to enable native Libyans to destroy as much of Gadaffi's arsenal as possible while confining any casualties to Gadaffi's elite forces. Remember what the Argentine Air Force was able to do to the British Navy with French fighters and missiles and Soviet satellite coordinates. "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
<sigh>
And Nicaragua's Ortega praising Gaddafi. So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
1014: Libya's food supply chain is "at risk of collapsing", the UN's World Food Programme warns, according to the AFP.
The UN Human Rights Council has now begun meeting in emergency session in Geneva to discuss the Libya crisis. Commissioner Navi Pillay condemned Col Gaddafi's use of violence against protesters, which she said could amount to crimes against humanity. The council is expected to demand Libya's expulsion - a move never before taken against a member state, the BBC's Imogen Foulkes reports.
Reports from Paris say that anti-Gaddafi protesters - calling themselves the "children of revolution" - have occupied the Libyan embassy in France. "We've taken over the embassy," a spokeswoman for the group told the AFP. Police are stationed outside the embassy, preventing anyone else gaining access to the building.
Two months into the Arab revolution, one very fat lady has yet to sing. But the turn of Saudi Arabia - home to one-fifth of the world's oil reserves, and the United States' most important remaining Arab ally - may be coming soon. Think there's no chance that this kingdom's restless youth - 60 percent of the population is under 18, and 28 percent of working-age youths are unemployed - will rise in revolt? King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz doesn't agree with you. On Wednesday, the ruler landed in Riyadh after a three-month absence abroad for medical treatment - and for an 87-year-old with a bad back, he looked like a man in a big hurry. Before his plane even touched down, Abdullah had ordered up $36 billion in new welfare grants for his people - about $2,000 for every Saudi. There were loans for young Saudis to buy homes, get married and start a business, and a 15 percent pay raise for government workers. Next are a prisoner release and a cabinet reshuffle. Meanwhile, waiting among the 50 or so white-robed men on the tarmac to meet Abdullah was the man who worries him most: King Hamad bin Isa al Khalifa of the neighboring island nation of Bahrain. A week ago the Khalifa regime tried to put down the first popular uprising in an Arab emirate by force - the solution sought by Saudi Arabia. It failed, thanks in part to countervailing pressure from the United States, which keeps a fleet in Bahrain's port.
Two months into the Arab revolution, one very fat lady has yet to sing. But the turn of Saudi Arabia - home to one-fifth of the world's oil reserves, and the United States' most important remaining Arab ally - may be coming soon.
Think there's no chance that this kingdom's restless youth - 60 percent of the population is under 18, and 28 percent of working-age youths are unemployed - will rise in revolt? King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz doesn't agree with you. On Wednesday, the ruler landed in Riyadh after a three-month absence abroad for medical treatment - and for an 87-year-old with a bad back, he looked like a man in a big hurry.
Before his plane even touched down, Abdullah had ordered up $36 billion in new welfare grants for his people - about $2,000 for every Saudi. There were loans for young Saudis to buy homes, get married and start a business, and a 15 percent pay raise for government workers. Next are a prisoner release and a cabinet reshuffle.
Meanwhile, waiting among the 50 or so white-robed men on the tarmac to meet Abdullah was the man who worries him most: King Hamad bin Isa al Khalifa of the neighboring island nation of Bahrain. A week ago the Khalifa regime tried to put down the first popular uprising in an Arab emirate by force - the solution sought by Saudi Arabia. It failed, thanks in part to countervailing pressure from the United States, which keeps a fleet in Bahrain's port.
Empires can collapse in the course of a generation. At the end of the 16th century, the Spanish looked dominant. Twenty-five years later, they were on their knees, over-extended, bankrupt, and incapable of coping with the emergent maritime powers of Britain and Holland. The British empire reached its fullest extent in 1930. Twenty years later, it was all over. Today, it is reasonable to ask whether the United States, seemingly invincible a decade ago, will follow the same trajectory. America has suffered two convulsive blows in the last three years. The first was the financial crisis of 2008, whose consequences are yet to be properly felt. Although the immediate cause was the debacle in the mortgage market, the underlying problem was chronic imbalance in the economy. For a number of years, America has been incapable of funding its domestic programmes and overseas commitments without resorting to massive help from China, its global rival. China has a pressing motive to assist: it needs to sustain US demand in order to provide a market for its exports and thus avert an economic crisis of its own. This situation is the contemporary equivalent of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD), the doctrine which prevented nuclear war breaking out between America and Russia.
Empires can collapse in the course of a generation. At the end of the 16th century, the Spanish looked dominant. Twenty-five years later, they were on their knees, over-extended, bankrupt, and incapable of coping with the emergent maritime powers of Britain and Holland. The British empire reached its fullest extent in 1930. Twenty years later, it was all over.
Today, it is reasonable to ask whether the United States, seemingly invincible a decade ago, will follow the same trajectory. America has suffered two convulsive blows in the last three years. The first was the financial crisis of 2008, whose consequences are yet to be properly felt. Although the immediate cause was the debacle in the mortgage market, the underlying problem was chronic imbalance in the economy.
For a number of years, America has been incapable of funding its domestic programmes and overseas commitments without resorting to massive help from China, its global rival. China has a pressing motive to assist: it needs to sustain US demand in order to provide a market for its exports and thus avert an economic crisis of its own. This situation is the contemporary equivalent of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD), the doctrine which prevented nuclear war breaking out between America and Russia.
Very few people in the west saw the present revolutions in the Arab world coming. I think one of the main reasons is that we are still locked into a simplified way of looking at the Arab countries - above all Egypt - that began in the 1970s. I wanted to go back and look at the roots of that powerful but distorted vision. It dates back to the moment in 1977 when Anwar Sadat went to Israel to open the way to a peace treaty - that was then signed in Washington in 1979.
Very few people in the west saw the present revolutions in the Arab world coming.
I think one of the main reasons is that we are still locked into a simplified way of looking at the Arab countries - above all Egypt - that began in the 1970s.
I wanted to go back and look at the roots of that powerful but distorted vision.
It dates back to the moment in 1977 when Anwar Sadat went to Israel to open the way to a peace treaty - that was then signed in Washington in 1979.
That blog post is about a 1982 BBC documentary, which explains why Sadat wasn't mourned at home. Basically, his failed marketista economic policies, his love affair with Western media, and jarring discrepancy between the media image he cultivated and his king-like lifestyle. In addition, the BBC back then really exposed the illusion factory that was American news television. When they play Walter Cronkite again at the end, it sounds real stupid what he says. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
:Saif #Gaddafi just blamed #Canada for chaos. I think that's the first time someone's blamed Canada for war outside of South Park
Are we living through the origins of the next world war? Certainly, it is easy to imagine how a future historian might deal with the next phase of events in the Middle East:
Who is going to conduct this war and how are they going to pay for it?
Need a ...
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in there She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Gadaffi is clinically insane.
That's not snark or satire or humorous ad hominem; it's a stark statement of fact. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Bloomberg: Qaddafi Son Says Family Controls Most of Libya, Won't Leave
If the people don't love me then they don't deserve to live.
Unprofessional psychological assessment: G was a barely functional sociopath who may be turning into a dysfunctional psychopath as his self-constructed world crumbles.
She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Tripoli on the Brink: Showdown in the Streets
Rahma tells TIME she was out among the crowds earlier on Friday, but had been inside at home after hearing from family members elsewhere in the city that troops had shot unarmed marchers. At mid-afternoon, people she knew at the march told her that their numbers had grown to around 10,000 people. "The nearer to Green Square they get, the more people come out to join them," she says. "The soldiers are shooting more to reverse that, but it isn't working. The soldiers may shoot people, but more citizens will come to replace them."
Apparently Zuara (Zawiya) - the scene of fighting yesterday - and the oil industry infrastructures there, are 100% controlled by revolutionaries although air attacks against the city may be happening. (The last is unclear.)
Last word on the eastern front was the revolutionaries were preparing to march from the city of Misurata to Al-Khums. Al-Khums is the last major population, on the coast road, between the liberated eastern zone and Tripoli.
The revolution is underway in Tripoli. Reports from the ground is protesters are continuing to protest; mercenaries are, literally, roving the streets shooting people and then moving on, mercenaries may be using ambulances as transportion. Other regime forces are responding to protests with gunfire.
The revolutionaries have been seizing Army supply points and depots and are now as well armed - except for air assets - as the regime. Numbers are hard to come by but the revolution has at least a 10% superiority in numbers and it very likely is way more than that.
Massive defections of the bureaucrats & etc. to the people's revolution both inside and outside Libya.
The regime is falling.
Now it's a question of how many people are going to be murdered by that manic before he flees, kills himself, or somebody kills him. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Al-Khums is the last major population, on the coast road, between the liberated eastern zone and Tripoli.
On the map, there is a big city in-between the liberated East of Libya and the liberated area east of Tripoli that was still marked Ghaddafi-controlled: Surt (Sidra). Any news you saw on events there? Also, what about the cities south of Tripoli deep in the desert? *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Sirte is surrounded by two major free cities Misrata and Benghazi not to mention the smaller towns such as Brega and Ajdabia #Libya #Feb17 about 1 hour ago via web
Al Jazeera: Mutiqa airbase in Libya announces that it has joined the revolutionaries
Mitiga International Airport.
... located about seven statute miles (11 km) east of Tripoli.
The base is deactivated, apparently,
... [the] MiG-17/19/25 fighters and Tu-22 bombers [based there], the United States Department of State estimated in 1983 that 50 percent remained in storage, including most of the MiG fighters and Tu-22 bombers.
but, still, this is going to divert regime air assets and units to try and re-capture. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
the United States Department of State estimated in 1983
That's a long long time ago... *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
If the planes were mothballed in 1983 most, of not all, are inoperable. However, they could be used as a source of spare parts for what aircraft the Libyan Air Force is flying.
It's important not so much as a "military air base," although there will be arms, etc. on the base, but it's location 7 miles outside of downtown Tripoli. That fact alone requires the regime to attack and re-take the base. Given it is a military base it has military defenses recapturing it isn't going to be easy; the attackers will suffer casualties and maybe heavy casualties among the mercenaries due to poor military training, thus skill, and poor unit Will to Combat and cohesion. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
If the US reported in 1983 that the planes were mothballed, that doesn't mean that they continued to be mothballed (and weren't replaced by newer planes) in the 28 years since... *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Some Sukhoi Su-30 are on order but they haven't been delivered. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
What anti-aircraft defences does Gaddafi still control within shooting range of incoming planes to the base? So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
A military airport has to be secure. Can't fly a plane and a pilot costing ~$50 million into a place where some ten cent goon with a $3 AK-47 can shot holes in them.
Gadaffi's forces have some number of ZSU-23s with 4 × 23 mm 2A7 autocannons. They also have French/German MILAN, and 620+ AT-3, AT-4, and AT-5, all of Soviet manufacture anti-aircraft missiles. Keeping all this hardware out of range would require an invasion. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
The Mitiga air base is confirmed to have fallen in Tripoli. Planes that strafed citizens took off from here.
As militiamen and mercenaries loyal to Moammar Khadafy ferociously strike back at rebels in and around the Libyan capital of Tripoli, much of the rest of the nation is embracing a bracing reality: After 41 years of ruthless and total control by Khadafy, they are suddenly free to rule themselves. In Benghazi, Libya's second-largest city and the cradle of the revolt, chants of jubilation are interspersed with quiet meetings. Neighborhood leaders are working to figure out such tasks as how to direct traffic and ensure utilities are up and running as they craft a plan for the future of the city. For guest workers and other expatriates, the future is no longer Libya. By the tens of thousands, they have been attempting to flee the violence, massing at ports as they await ships, overrunning the main airport,, and crossing by any means possible into Tunisia. Here's a look at one day -- Thursday -- in the life of those parts of Libya under rebel control. -- Paula Nelson
RAS AJDIR, Tunisia (AP) -- One Egyptian said he was forced to kneel in front of members of the Libyan army who carried out a mock execution. Another man locked himself in his home for five days, running low on supplies and hearing shots and screams outside. A group of Indian workers hid in the desert while awaiting a rescue plane.Thousands of expatriate Egyptians, Indians, Turks and Tunisians crossed the border into Tunisia on Friday, and many of them appeared to be in shock. They carried their belongings and horrific memories of the violence tearing apart Moammar Gadhafi's Libya.Tunisian aid groups offered them embraces, food and shelter.
RAS AJDIR, Tunisia (AP) -- One Egyptian said he was forced to kneel in front of members of the Libyan army who carried out a mock execution. Another man locked himself in his home for five days, running low on supplies and hearing shots and screams outside. A group of Indian workers hid in the desert while awaiting a rescue plane.
Thousands of expatriate Egyptians, Indians, Turks and Tunisians crossed the border into Tunisia on Friday, and many of them appeared to be in shock. They carried their belongings and horrific memories of the violence tearing apart Moammar Gadhafi's Libya.
Tunisian aid groups offered them embraces, food and shelter.
We forget how important the embraces are. So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
For christ's sakes, NEVER give a politician a microphone AND a world-wide live TV audience. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Cannot find any information on what, if any, vessels are in port at this time. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
... it looks like they are standing in front of a Koni Class Frigate.
If that is true AND it is operational (they got two and one isn't) non-operational - the revolution just got the most powerful warship in the Libyan navy. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
I don't have the heart to post.
Go: here and scroll down if you want to see them. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Gadaffi's cousin defects
The evidence that (Gadaffi) was losing ground included the defection to Egypt of a confidante, his cousin Ahmed Gaddaf al-Dam, which follows resignations in recent days by government ministers and diplomats. Army units, particularly in the eastern part of the country, have defected to the opposition, which may presage a civil war, a prospect raised by Gaddafi when last seen on state television Feb. 22. "The possibility of civil war only exists if Gaddafi stays," Mohammed Ali Abdallah, deputy head of the National Front for the Salvation of Libya, the main exiled opposition group, said yesterday.
"The possibility of civil war only exists if Gaddafi stays," Mohammed Ali Abdallah, deputy head of the National Front for the Salvation of Libya, the main exiled opposition group, said yesterday.
Rasmussen: Alliance ready to act as "an enabler and coordinator"
NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen called Friday for an emergency alliance meeting on Libya and said it was ready to act as "an enabler and coordinator" if member states take action. "I have called for an emergency meeting in the North Atlantic Council today to discuss Libya," Rasmussen wrote on his Twitter account, referring to the alliance's political decision-making body. "The situation in Libya is of great concern. NATO can act as an enabler and coordinator if and when member states will take action," he wrote ahead of a meeting with EU defense ministers in Godollo, Hungary. Possible no-fly zone on Libya EU nations are preparing to take part in a possible no-fly zone over Libya to prevent Gaddafi from bombing protesters, an EU diplomat said Friday. European Union governments are making "contingency plans" to police Libyan airspace but "the EU needs a U.N. Security Council resolution first," the diplomat said on condition of anonymity.
"I have called for an emergency meeting in the North Atlantic Council today to discuss Libya," Rasmussen wrote on his Twitter account, referring to the alliance's political decision-making body.
"The situation in Libya is of great concern. NATO can act as an enabler and coordinator if and when member states will take action," he wrote ahead of a meeting with EU defense ministers in Godollo, Hungary. Possible no-fly zone on Libya
EU nations are preparing to take part in a possible no-fly zone over Libya to prevent Gaddafi from bombing protesters, an EU diplomat said Friday.
European Union governments are making "contingency plans" to police Libyan airspace but "the EU needs a U.N. Security Council resolution first," the diplomat said on condition of anonymity.
Also Please note, Ahmed Gaddaf Al Dam has a lot of blood on his hands and has planned a lot for gaddafi we will not forgive #Libya #Feb17 about 1 hour ago via web Also source tells me Ahmed Gaddaf Al Dam is still working for gaddafi from outside, he is yet to denounce his actions or his tribe #Libya about 1 hour ago via web
(Stockholm) Muammar Gaddafi will commit suicide the way Adolf Hitler did at the end of World War II rather than surrender or flee, a former Libyan cabinet minister told a Swedish newspaper in an interview published on Thursday. "Gaddafi's days are numbered. He will do what Hitler did -- he will take his own life," former Justice Minister Mustafa Mohammed Abd al-Jalil told Expressen in an interview in al-Bayda. ... Jalil resigned this week in protest at violence used by the government against demonstrators opposed to Gaddafi. The leader is battling to preserve his 41-year rule.
"Gaddafi's days are numbered. He will do what Hitler did -- he will take his own life," former Justice Minister Mustafa Mohammed Abd al-Jalil told Expressen in an interview in al-Bayda.
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Jalil resigned this week in protest at violence used by the government against demonstrators opposed to Gaddafi. The leader is battling to preserve his 41-year rule.
A charter aircraft dispatched by the Canadian government on Friday to pick up its citizens fleeing the violence in Libya left Tripoli with only its crew aboard after it could not find any Canadians waiting at the airport.
The UN Security Council is set to meet today to consider a sanctions resolution against Gaddafi. Britain, France, Germany and the US have drawn up a resolution that says the attacks on civilians in Libya could amount to crimes against humanity.The resolution calls for an arms embargo and a travel ban and assets freeze against the Libyan leader.
The UN Security Council is set to meet today to consider a sanctions resolution against Gaddafi.
Britain, France, Germany and the US have drawn up a resolution that says the attacks on civilians in Libya could amount to crimes against humanity.
The resolution calls for an arms embargo and a travel ban and assets freeze against the Libyan leader.
1127: Finance columnist for the UK's Daily Telegraph Jeremy Warner tweets: "Top end of London property market apparently v busy again. Lots of Middle Eastern buyers. Wonder why."
BBC Monitoring notes that the Libyan state news agency, Jana, has not filed anything since 1826 GMT on Friday. Not that it was saying much about the unrest, anyway.
Flash from Reuters: Italy's Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi, has said it seems that Col Gaddafi is no longer in control of Libya. Mr Berlusconi has been one of the colonel's few friends among European leaders.
Croatian police clashed with some of the 15,000 anti-government protesters who rallied in the capital Saturday, and state television reported that officers used tear gas to disperse the group. At least 25 people were injured. ... The protests in Zagreb come just two days after several hundred protesters clashed with police at another anti-government rally. Many Croats blame the government for economic hardship and alleged corruption. At another Zagreb square, thousands protested peacefully against the government and in support of a Croat war veteran awaiting extradition to Serbia in a Bosnian prison. They carried banners reading "Croat defenders are heroes" and "Stop the prosecution of Croat defenders." ... About 1,000 people gathered at a similar protest in the eastern town of Osijek, demanding the government's ouster, Hina reported. The agency said that protest was organized through Facebook as was the rally in Zagreb on Thursday.
The protests in Zagreb come just two days after several hundred protesters clashed with police at another anti-government rally. Many Croats blame the government for economic hardship and alleged corruption.
At another Zagreb square, thousands protested peacefully against the government and in support of a Croat war veteran awaiting extradition to Serbia in a Bosnian prison. They carried banners reading "Croat defenders are heroes" and "Stop the prosecution of Croat defenders."
About 1,000 people gathered at a similar protest in the eastern town of Osijek, demanding the government's ouster, Hina reported. The agency said that protest was organized through Facebook as was the rally in Zagreb on Thursday.
"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
All towns between Benghazi and Ras Lusafa in total oppn control. Every govt building along the way burned. #libya #feb17 less than a minute ago via web Went to site of crashed Libyan air force jet today. Pilot refused to bomb oil depots & ejected. One bomb wedged in sand. #libya
Scene of crashed Libyan jet is 10km off highway, 15km north of Bregga. Sure to be independence landmark for generations. #libya #feb17
There has been enough time for military staffs to plan and position the air power needed to enforce a No-Fly Zone. Thinking they would want at least two aircraft carriers within operational range. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
That's enough time to get it re-supplied and ready for sea.
The "no news" isn't surprising and doesn't tell us much, either way. If they were planning to use it standard operational security procedures would keep the news 'tight.' If they aren't, there's no news to give out. ;-) She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
standard operational security procedures would keep the news 'tight.'
This is Sarkozistan, where gesticulation is all.
We believe that the 3 cities left under gaddafi are Tripoli Sebha and Sirte his home town, the rest of Libya can not be reclaimed.
BTW, if you want to go "direct" The Libyan Youth Movement is a good site. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
(AJ English) She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Gadaffi is arming Libyan loyalists in Sirte (his hometown) and is moving some of them towards Tripoli. AJ English reporting there may be as many as 4,000 armed loyalists in Sirte.
Shaping up to be ugly. Gadaffi turned the non-violent protests into an armed revolution and is now creating the basis for a civil war, which could easily generate political problems for Libya that will persist for decades after he is gone. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
7:05pm AJE correspondent reports that anti-government protesters have attacked black Africans in Libya, taking them for mercenaries. Seidou Boubaker Jallou and his friend, both from Mali, fled for their lives by night to the Tunisian border. They said the roads out of the West are still in the hands of those loyal to Gaddafi. Jallou says: The situation is very dangerous - every day there are more than a hundred who die - every day - every day there are shootings - the most dangerous situation is for foreigners like us - and also us black people - Because Gaddafi brought soldiers from Chad from Niger - they are black and they are killing Arabs.
Seidou Boubaker Jallou and his friend, both from Mali, fled for their lives by night to the Tunisian border. They said the roads out of the West are still in the hands of those loyal to Gaddafi. Jallou says:
The situation is very dangerous - every day there are more than a hundred who die - every day - every day there are shootings - the most dangerous situation is for foreigners like us - and also us black people - Because Gaddafi brought soldiers from Chad from Niger - they are black and they are killing Arabs.
Following the departure of Gadaffi's private jet pilot, Odd Birger Johansen, who quietly left the country two days ago, the latest to flee the sinking ship is none other than the dictator's favorite Ukrainian nurse Galyna Kolotnytska, who has taken her leave from Tripoli permanently. The approximately 38 year old nurse was first exposed in WikiLeaks cables which Zero Hedge referenced previously here. The fact that Galyna was so close to the dictator and was a potential "love interest" apparently in no way increased her resolve to pull an Eva Braun and join Gaddafi when he finally realizes the end is nigh. And while Gaddafi will be able to do without sponge baths for a day or two, it may prove (more difficult) to replace the pilot of a jet already supposedly loaded up with gold and ready to go, on such short notice.
iyad_elbaghdadi I just got confirmation that the border town of Wazin (right on the #Libya-Tunisia border) has joined the revolution.
The UN Security Council has voted unanimously to impose sanctions on Muammar Gaddafi's Libyan regime for its attempts to put down an uprising. They backed an arms embargo and asset freeze while referring Colonel Gaddafi to the International Criminal Court for alleged crimes against humanity. US President Barack Obama has said the Libyan leader should step down and leave the country immediately. He still controls Tripoli, but eastern Libya has fallen to the uprising. Discussions on forming an anti-Gaddafi transitional government are reportedly under way.
The UN Security Council has voted unanimously to impose sanctions on Muammar Gaddafi's Libyan regime for its attempts to put down an uprising.
They backed an arms embargo and asset freeze while referring Colonel Gaddafi to the International Criminal Court for alleged crimes against humanity.
US President Barack Obama has said the Libyan leader should step down and leave the country immediately.
He still controls Tripoli, but eastern Libya has fallen to the uprising.
Discussions on forming an anti-Gaddafi transitional government are reportedly under way.
Rebels over-ran Zawiya west of Tripoli. vital breakthrough. Only Sirte in central #libya stopping them joining from west. about 1 hour ago via web Fishermen at Benghazi port said 2 boats traveling west hit by missiles filed from Sirte. That rules out Tripoli by sea then. #libya about 1 hour ago via web Saw pics of a scud missile seized by rebels today. Three more now in opposition hands near Benghazi. #libya about 1 hour ago via web Visited mil bases on road to central Libya. amount of weapons stolen staggering. These revolutionaries v well armed. #libya about 5 hours ago via web The Ghaddafi stronghold of Sirte is preventing people traveling west to Tripoli. Could be last place in #Libya to fall.
Forces fighting to oust the Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi have seized the city of Zawiya, 50km (30 miles) from the capital, Tripoli. The Libyan government took journalists to Zawiya on Sunday morning. But instead of a show of government force, reporters saw opposition fighters manning the barricades in the city centre and flying their flag. Tripoli remains in the control of Col Gaddafi, who is facing the biggest challenge to his 41-year rule. Pro-Gaddafi forces are encircling Zawiya, which saw fierce fighting last week.
Forces fighting to oust the Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi have seized the city of Zawiya, 50km (30 miles) from the capital, Tripoli.
The Libyan government took journalists to Zawiya on Sunday morning.
But instead of a show of government force, reporters saw opposition fighters manning the barricades in the city centre and flying their flag.
Tripoli remains in the control of Col Gaddafi, who is facing the biggest challenge to his 41-year rule.
Pro-Gaddafi forces are encircling Zawiya, which saw fierce fighting last week.
#libya bonkers seeing all same faces at this pro gaddafi rally as at last and driving cars round where we are parked in a circle v silly about 2 hours ago via Mobile Web As many cars of people fleeing to tunis as demonstrators in this town and yes some people here were at previous demo about 3 hours ago via Mobile Web Not clear from what seeing how much countrside each side controls respectively both pro and anti have territoy round capital about 3 hours ago via Mobile Web Heading to another city and ppro gaddafi demo seems to be following in cars presumably to attend next rally well be shown about 3 hours ago via Mobile Web Rebels in zawaiyah described as al qaeda by gov but I met docs teachers engineers not radical
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