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Sócrates and Zapatero leave PES for EPP

by Luis de Sousa Sat Mar 5th, 2011 at 12:15:10 PM EST

These two men:
are no longer socialists, they are now but covert agents of the EPP in Iberia.


Just a quick note, since time is in short supply at the moment.

We finally seem to have some coordinated effort from the PES to tackle the crisis. The socialist family has gathered in Greece to present an alternative path to the austerity-rules-all course imposed by the conservatives. They lure to have a thorough answer to the new economic governance rules proposed by Merkel and Sarkozy, now being refined to be voted by the Council later this month. Shy to some extent, it nevertheless points to the obvious building blocs needed to both deal with the crisis and reinforce the Union. The creation of an European Treasury, the creation of an European tax, even the reference to the needed structural paradigm change to build an Economy for the XXI century, all of it seems to be considered by the PES leaders.

The meeting is even more important for another reason, by displaying this unity the socialists are sending their citizens a clear message, the blind austerity is not being imposed by the Union, but by the conservatives that at the moment rule the Union. Merkel, Sarkozy, von Rampuy, Barroso, are all members of the EPP; the apathetic servitude to American rating agencies, the blind pursue of a stronger than steel €uro, it's their course, not of Europe itself.

Unfortunately, two socialist leaders missed the meeting: Zapatero and Sócrates. They don't seem to be interested in an alternative to the conservatives' policy. They are now themselves conservatives.



European Socialists propose alternative to Barroso-Van-Rompuy pact

EUOBSERVER / ATHENS - Europe's Socialist leaders have proposed a `growth pact' as an alternative to the `competitiveness pact' originally proposed by France and Germany as a solution to the bloc's economic woes.
Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou, Austrian Chancellor Werner Faymann and most of the continent's social democratic leaders, many of whom currently sit on opposition benches in their parliaments, including French Socialist leader Martine Aubry and Germany's head of the SPD, Sigmar Gabriel, met at a summit in Athens to co-ordinate their strategy ahead of an EU summit where a `comprehensive response' to the eurozone crisis is to be finalised.

The centre-left leaders endorsed a plan that still backs austerity, but alongside it the introduction of a financial transactions tax that they say would deliver €250 billion a year to European coffers that could be invested in green technologies and infrastructure.

[...]

At the meeting the Socialist leaders also issued a call for the EU to lower the interest rates paid by Greece and Ireland on their multi-billion-euro bail-outs, a substantial increase in the lending capacity of the existing EU €440 billion rescue fund, and, in Mr Papandreou's words, the establishment of EU bonds, "so that Europe can manage collective debt properly."

It is thought that Messrs Zapatero and Socrates were nervous to appear at the meeting, with its combative stance, at the same time that they are battling within the European Council from a weak position.

I, and many citizens of Iberia, have been betrayed.

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The PES seems to have awoken from a couple of years of deep slumber. Where the hell were they when Socrates and Zapatero capitulated, a gun to their heads?

It's been a long time coming, but at last there is a mainstream response to the TINA doctrine. That's got to strengthen the bargaining positions of the Iberians.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Sat Mar 5th, 2011 at 03:46:46 PM EST
A couple of years, or maybe 15?

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 5th, 2011 at 04:20:28 PM EST
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Closer to 25 than to 15. The rot began in the mid-'80s.

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Mar 5th, 2011 at 06:42:11 PM EST
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And even now their position sounds very much like the old "we agree with everything you say but..".
by generic on Sat Mar 5th, 2011 at 07:56:53 PM EST
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This is not an EPP quisling vs. true PES thing, it's a government vs. opposition thing.

It looks to me that what distinguishes ZP and Socrates is that they're actually in power and not foreclosed.

Austria is not under market attack or full of brown lazy people or under ECB administration so the Austrian PM can afford to be populist despite the fact that their banks are teetering under the weight of Central-Eastern European Shitpile™

The rest of Socialist parties are not in government.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 02:32:09 AM EST
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Last time I checked Faymann and Papandreou where socialists.

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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 03:47:56 AM EST
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Papandreou is being foreclosed and Faymann is German-speaking, is my point. Everyone else is in opposition.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 03:50:25 AM EST
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So, PES in power = EPP. I'm not ready to believe that yet.

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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 05:54:42 AM EST
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I imagine that if the PS were in power in France, their reaction to the last couple of years would have been functionally indistinguishable from that of the Sarkozy government (so complete is the capture of the political class by the Austrians).

By virtue of being in opposition, they are obliged to at least pretend to present some sort of alternative. In the medium term, they'll be back in power, with (potentially) a few new tools in the box.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 06:29:27 AM EST
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because the Jospin period was undistinguishable from the 4 years before it or the 10 years after it.

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Mar 7th, 2011 at 11:36:43 AM EST
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I will make it clear that I was talking about financial policy reaction to the financial crisis.

Perhaps a PS government would have reacted quite differently, and much better, than the UMP government has. This is an interesting conjecture, but hard to support, given that the people who would have been ministers haven't given much indication as to what they would have done differently. Despite this being their duty as an Opposition in a liberal democracy.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Mar 8th, 2011 at 08:27:26 AM EST
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Now, now, natural parties of government engage in loyal opposition. What else did you expect?

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 8th, 2011 at 08:32:08 AM EST
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I fairly recently came across this:

Gunnar Sträng - WikipediaGunnar Sträng - Wikipedia
Som ordförande i riksbanksfullmäktige förhindrade Sträng den avreglering av valuta- och finansmarknad som finansministern från 1982, Kjell-Olof Feldt önskade genomföra. Först när Sträng gått i pension efter valet 1985 och efterträtts av Erik Åsbrink drogs tapp ur tunna för dessa reformer.[24]As President of the General Council Sträng prevented the liberalization of foreign exchange and financial markets that finance minister from 1982, Kjell-Olof Feldt wished to implement. Only when Sträng retired after the 1985 election and was succeeded by Erik Asbrink these reforms started. [24]

Deregulation led to property boom that led to finance crash that was used to motivate high unemployment policy and cuts in transfers and services. Naturally the reforms were not discussed in the 1985 election.

Olof Palme has - due to being murdered - become an icon of the previous era, despite actually presiding over the deregulation.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 04:55:43 AM EST
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A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
The PES is simply the good cop.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 05:12:34 AM EST
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Well, we had arguably the best government of the past 40 years in France in 97-02 under Jospin, but that was obviously seen as not left-wing enough...

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 06:01:51 AM EST
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Or too left-wing, depending on who you ask.

In fact, I suspect the conventional wisdom is that his economic policy was destructively lefty.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 06:52:00 AM EST
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See PM Zapatero's economic advisors.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 5th, 2011 at 04:22:27 PM EST
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It is interesting that Ed Milliband and the British Labour Party are not mentioned at all in the diary or the EU Observer article it links to. Surely it is not that British politicians are so far removed from European affairs as to be irrelevant or is it just that the British Labour Party is closed for renovations and currently has no ideas about anything.
by Gary J on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 05:33:50 AM EST
Well, he certainly wasn't there, though someone else from Labour might have attended. See if you recognize anyone in the meeting photos.

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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 05:56:16 AM EST
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Names below the photos (with several typos corrected):
Ruairi Quinn (Ireland)
Poul Nyrup Rasmussen (PES boss, Denmark)
Eamon Gilmore (Ireland)
Grzgorz Napieralski (Poland)
László Andor (EU–Commission, Hungary)
Sergei Stanishev (Bulgaria)
Joaquin Almunia (EU–Commission, Spain)
Maria Damanaki (EU–Commission, Greece)
Philip Cordery (PES secretary, France)
Boris Tadić (Serbia)
George Papandreou (Greece)
Zita Gurmai (PES Women boss, EU–EP, Hungary)
Mona Sahlin (Sweden)
Attila Mesterházy (Hungary)
Luis Ayala (Socialist International boss, Chile)
Riccardo Nencini (Italy)
Pier Luigi Bersani (Italy)
Martin Schulz (EU–EP, Germany)
Martine Aubry (France)
Zlatko Lagumdžija (Bosnia and Herzegovina)
Sigmar Gabriel (Germany)

There are a lot more; I think I recognise Werner Faymann (Austria) Borut Pahor (Slovenia).

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 07:12:20 AM EST
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Joaquin Almunia (EU-Commission, Spain)

At least there's one person from the Spanish Socialists

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 07:17:16 AM EST
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I didn't recognize him from the picture, but Diego López Garrido (Secretary of State for the EU) was there, too.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 7th, 2011 at 04:44:09 AM EST
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Thanks DoDo, I missed the list. There's a lot more folk in the photo, I imagine Labour likely had someone there too.

You might find me At The Edge Of Time.
by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 11:38:37 AM EST
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I did not recognise anyone, but some members of the British Shadow Cabinet are quite spectacularly obscure.
by Gary J on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 05:27:44 PM EST
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This is hardly surprising: Socialists facing worst ever electoral defeat, poll reveals · ELPAÍS.com in English
The poll indicates that 44 percent of the vote would go to the PP in elections and 28.1 percent to the Socialist Party, its worst result ever.
That's solid absolute majority territory for the PP.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 7th, 2011 at 04:27:27 AM EST
... long enough to grow a spine, and stop executing EPP policies for them?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Mon Mar 7th, 2011 at 09:52:06 AM EST
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We'll see what happens this coming Friday in Brussels.

With Zapatero and Socrates in the mood for being railroaded by Merkel, there might even be an agreement at the Council on the "competitiveness" [sic] pact. Then we're doomed economically in the medium term, and politically the EPP will strengthen its grip of EU policy even more.

I'm almost hoping there's no agreement, then there will be a concerted market attack on Portugal and, if that is successful, on Spain. Only then may Zapatero realise Merkel and Sarkozy are not his economic friends.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 8th, 2011 at 02:14:31 AM EST
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