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by Jerome a Paris Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 10:25:27 AM EST

It's June already


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The Euro Living Dangerously - NYTimes.com
A very important column from Martin Wolf. One way to summarize his argument is to say that slow-motion bank runs are already in progress in the European periphery, and that these countries' banking systems are being sustained only by a process in which, say, Ireland's central bank borrows from the Bundesbank and then lends the funds on to Irish private banks to replace the fleeing deposits. Here are claims among central banks as of the end of last year:


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 10:44:54 AM EST
If the ECB is aware of ongoing bank runs they need to act now.

Instituting capital controls might be in order.

Economics is politics by other means

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 11:36:17 AM EST
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But The Serious People have put so much effort into de-legitimizing capital controls.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 02:51:04 PM EST
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Eurointelligence (12 April 2011)
Bundesbank open to capital controls as a last line of defence

Bundesbank board member Andreas Dombret told Börsenzeitung that capital controls can be introduced by countries as "a last line of defence". "If they are used, it should be done temporarily and in a transparent and targeted manner", Dombret said. In combating high inflows of capital countries need to define a hierarchy of things to do. "If after that the inflows persists, capital controls can be considered", Dombret said. Capital controls were up until very recently a taboo and have only been proposed last week by the IMF in a position that was controversial among certain member states.



Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 2nd, 2011 at 02:49:12 AM EST
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Paul Krugman - The Euro Living Dangerously

If you ask me, the water level has now dropped so far that the fuel rods are exposed. We really are in meltdown territory.
Amen.
by das monde on Thu Jun 2nd, 2011 at 02:30:31 AM EST
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But then again: Trichet received the international Karlspreis today for furthering European unity and "his efforts for the common currency and European competitiveness".

Not to read to much into it. That thing is regularly given to someone who sits at the top of some (official) European institution. Once even the pope.

Schengen is toast!

by epochepoque on Thu Jun 2nd, 2011 at 08:16:19 AM EST
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Haven't seen this here, and the original is from Bild, so caution seems to be in order, but Turkey's Hurryiet tells us the CIA says.......

Military coup possible in Greece

According to the CIA report, ongoing street protests in crisis-hit Greece could turn into escalated violence and a rebellion and the Greek government could lose control, said Bild. The newspaper said the CIA report talks of a possible military coup if the situation becomes more serious and uncontrolled.

Can our resident Greeks confirm if this is plausible with the current military?

I know that in Spain it's virtually impossible to imagine a coup now that the Civil Guards have been placed under Interior.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 10:59:26 AM EST
On the other hand, who does that report benefit?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 11:18:23 AM EST
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I saw this story a couple days ago, but everything I've searched on has simply linked to or quoted the original article.  I haven't actually seen a link to a CIA report.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 11:22:37 AM EST
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I'm just thinking that if I were the Greeks it might do me good to be raising apocalyptic scenarios in the German press. Assuming you believe the Germans would consider a military coup a disaster. I don't recall anyone being too worried about assorted coups during the cold war, so long as they were the right kind of coup.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 11:31:26 AM EST
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Of course you haven't seen it, since it's a secret report.

From Bild: Zerbricht Griechenland an der Krise? Geheimdienst befürchtet Aufruhr und Gewalt

Der amerikanische Geheimdienst CIA warnt jetzt sogar in einem Gutachten vor einer unkontrollierten Situation in dem Pleite-Land!

In dem Gutachten heißt es, in Griechenland werde es zunehmend zu schweren Unruhen kommen, sogar von einem möglichen Umsturz wird gesprochen.

Das CIA-Fazit: Der harte Sparkurs und die desolate Lage lässt die Situation eskalieren, Athen werde es kaum schaffen, das Land noch in den Griff zu bekommen.

Is Greece breaking down in the crisis? Secret service warns of unrest and violence
In a report, the American secret service CIA is now warning even of an out-of-control situation in the bankrupt country

The report states that Greece may come to increasing unrest, and even mentionas a possible coup.

The CIA's conclusion: the hard austerity measures and the dire situation may escalate, making it harder for Athens to keep the country under control.

I don't think there's an actual there there.

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 11:35:11 AM EST
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If your a propagandist a secret report - real or feigned - is a god-send.  Can claim any thing you want - real or feigned - is threatened.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 11:47:57 AM EST
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"your" s/b "you are"

sigh


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 11:48:28 AM EST
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So I'm thinking if austerity measures are employed, then public backlash results.

Clearly this means that something must be done about the out of control public.

The international community must act now to ensure that austerity is not imperiled.

It's for the Greeks own good, really. </ sarcasm>

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 11:59:17 AM EST
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Well...

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 12:32:14 PM EST
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See also this thread about "a military coup in Ireland".

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 11:43:04 AM EST
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I don't know.  That's one moron, this is a CIA report.  

Wait..... I know former classmates in the "intelligence" services.   I can probably find a moron there without trying that hard.

I just think it's irresponsible to float this talk out there. I'm really interested that a Turkish paper did the English translation.

Just suspending disbelief for the moment, what would a Greek coup, or civil war, mean for Europe?

I'm thinking that the threat alone provides the Germans cover for more interference in Greek politics under the cover of a "humanitarian" mission. Send in a "stabilization" force to shut up the anti-austerity protesters. In defense of democracy, of course.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 11:55:01 AM EST
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A claimed CIA report.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 12:00:38 PM EST
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Even better for the Germans.  God knows that American like to invade countries. It's how we learn geography.

Even if the report is totally made up, doesn't it still provide cover for foreign intervention in Greek domestic politics?

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 12:05:41 PM EST
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You mean over and above the ongoing foreign intervention in Greek politics?

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 12:30:34 PM EST
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You know what the French did in Mexico when they defaulted?

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 02:02:32 PM EST
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Heh
Napoleon III of France was the instigator. His foreign policy was based on a commitment to free trade. For him, a friendly government in Mexico provided an opportunity to expand free trade by ensuring European access to important markets, and preventing monopoly by the United States. Napoleon also needed the silver that could be mined in Mexico to finance his empire. Napoleon built a coalition with Spain and Britain at a time the U.S. was engaged in a full-scale civil war. The U.S. protested but could not intervene directly until its civil war was over in 1865.
So "free trade", then as now, entails gunboat democracy, installing a friendly government, and plundering away natural resources.

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 2nd, 2011 at 04:27:46 AM EST
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A few things make me suspicious of it.  The two papers reporting on it are kind of odd.  Usually when Americans leak stuff, it's to the usual American and British papers.  Der Spiegel I might buy, but some random Turkish paper?  (Maybe some internal Turkish politics at play here?  I dunno.)

Another thing is that there have been leaks and comments put out routinely throughout the last year and a half from people at the ECB and EU and German government that seemed determined to undermine confidence in Greece.  Have to keep upping the noise, after all.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 12:38:31 PM EST
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  Uh, I think the infamous "Yellow-cake" story was floated via an Italian source.  Of course, that was under Bush; we have the responsible Obama in office now.  Still conducting illegal wars, still running illegal prison camps in Cuba, but the responsible Obama is now in charge.  So, surely the C.I.A. wouldn't put out or leak a phony report just for effect.  

"In such an environment it is not surprising that the ills of technology should seem curable only through the application of more technology..." John W Aldridge
by proximity1 on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 01:45:49 PM EST
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Wasn't the yellow cake story from MI6?

My suspicion has nothing to do with Obama or Bush.  I'm simply not seeing the interest of the CIA, whereas there are any number of parties (Germay, Greece, Turkey, etc) who'd be interested in putting it out.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 01:49:36 PM EST
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 Wikipeedee-a has this:

   "The Niger uranium forgeries are forged documents initially revealed by Italian Military intelligence. These documents seem to depict an attempt made by Saddam Hussein in Iraq to purchase yellowcake uranium powder from Niger during the Iraq disarmament crisis."

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowcake_forgery  

"In such an environment it is not surprising that the ills of technology should seem curable only through the application of more technology..." John W Aldridge

by proximity1 on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 02:03:14 PM EST
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So Italian intelligence, not MI6.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 02:17:54 PM EST
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If I remember right the Italians passed them to MI6 and the CIA, even though they were obviously shaky and the Italian source was someone who was someone who seemed mercenary, American and very right wing. MI6 then appeared to pass them onto the CIA too and the CIA treated it as confirmation, when MI6 claim to have been much more suspicious of them and only handed over to show what ropy intelligence they were getting and never thought that the Americans would actually use them as they were so rubbish.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 02:40:34 PM EST
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I don't think it was the CIA that bought it.  Remember the CIA sent Wilson to Niger to investigate, and Wilson came back saying it was crap.  The Bushies included it in that speech anyway and then outed Wilson's wife, who was a CIA operative.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 04:59:21 PM EST
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The position put forward in Fair Game was that the Defense Department group working for Dick Cheney through "Scooter" Libby badgered and intimidated the CIA into NOT denouncing the yellow cake reports or the assertion that they were valid. The CIA's own field work, including that undertaken by Wilson on their behalf was disconfirmatory. It was this blatant manipulation of reality by the Cheney group through Libby that so outraged Wilson that he wrote the NYT OpEd.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 06:22:25 PM EST
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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 03:55:55 PM EST
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Usually when Americans leak stuff, it's to the usual American and British papers.  Der Spiegel I might buy, but some random Turkish paper?

Depends on what you're trying to achieve. If you want to influence W European thought, then a Turkish paper makes no sense. But if you want to speak to the Greeks, then a Turkish paper is fine. After all, they're cultural enemies so what Turkey prints about Greece matters far more to the Greeks than what they themselves print

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 2nd, 2011 at 07:06:41 AM EST
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And the report says Secret Service and CIA. It doesn't seem to realize that the CIA and Secret Service are two totally different institutions.
by Upstate NY on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 12:44:20 PM EST
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Those nefarious Greeks are counterfeiting US dollars?

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 12:52:33 PM EST
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The Greeks have taken over the Federal European International Central Reserve Monetary Treasury Bank Fund.
by Upstate NY on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 12:53:55 PM EST
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Are you talking about these Greeks?

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 12:56:29 PM EST
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No matter how hard I try to be non-sensical, I always end up making sense.
by Upstate NY on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 01:34:04 PM EST
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HEAD FOR THE HILLS!  Hide the women and chidren ...

It's the gnomes of FEICRMTBF!!!!!!

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 01:15:06 PM EST
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  Exactly right.  And, even if there is such a report, the C.I.A., after all, is paid to imagine anything and everything under the Sun, and write it up, saying, Heads up, gents! The following "could turn into".

   Of course it could turn into... that is, it might, and it might not.

   

"In such an environment it is not surprising that the ills of technology should seem curable only through the application of more technology..." John W Aldridge

by proximity1 on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 01:38:38 PM EST
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When did the CIA ever meet a (non-communist) military coup it didn't like?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 01:44:21 PM EST
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  Wait a tick, I have to give that some thought...

"In such an environment it is not surprising that the ills of technology should seem curable only through the application of more technology..." John W Aldridge
by proximity1 on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 01:47:10 PM EST
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I don't know if they had much of an opinion regarding the Thai coup a few years ago.
by Zwackus on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 09:18:31 PM EST
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Just suspending disbelief for the moment, what would a Greek coup, or civil war, mean for Europe?
People North of the Alps would feel validated: "See? On top of everything those Mediterraneans don't know how to govern themselves!"

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 12:36:18 PM EST
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Clearly NAMA are already making preparations.... The name's Bond....Seamus Bond

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 12:57:29 PM EST
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To make a serious point, I imagine the reason NAMA are there are that they're interested in how to hunt down the overseas assets of less than cooperative, uh, partners and how to keep tabs on deals happening on assets that they have an interest in but don't have control of.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 01:08:04 PM EST
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That's more than likely.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 02:33:15 PM EST
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A resident CIA person on the ground in Greece needs to be one of the most paranoid people on earth. Otherwise, he wouldn't be fit for the job.
by Upstate NY on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 12:42:21 PM EST
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That's probably a back-translation error from German and a conceptual error on the part of Bild.

Geheimdienst may mean both "the Secret Service" (with capital letters) and "a secret/clandestine service" (without capital letters). Since the CIA is "the USA's spy agency" they're "the USA's secret service", especially for Bild and its readers.

Economics is politics by other means

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 12:54:39 PM EST
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The Watchers: Prozac killing E. coli in the Great Lakes
Scientists in Erie, Pennsylvania, have found that minute concentrations of fluoxetine, the active ingredient in Prozac, are killing off microbial populations in the Great Lakes.

...

Killing off bacteria might seem like a good thing. Treating clean lake water with similar strength doses killed off E. coli and enterococcus bacteria, both of which can cause serious infections in humans.



Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 01:07:51 PM EST
Oh hell, just kill me now.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 01:17:10 PM EST
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Given Prozac's record, the bacteria are probably just depressed and suicidal.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 01:28:37 PM EST
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Which is a pretty neat trick seeing as how they don't have a Central Nervous System.

Yersinia pestis doesn't intend to cause Bubonic Plague ... it's mother didn't talk to it nice and caused all sorts of psychological dysfunctions.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 01:44:25 PM EST
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and folks used to worry about muni water systems spiked with ... what was it now?

prozak is obviously far superior for creating passive drooling drones barely able to punch a clock or type a document, (while remaining 'competitive' with the lean mean asian robots-on-steroids machine).

goo goo gaga, instant mashed potatoes again. dumb is good, dumber is better, best is a vacuous acceptance of 'reality'.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 01:49:29 PM EST
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As we have discussed, the number of prescriptions issued for Methaqualone products in late 60s, early 70s USA, was astonishing.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 01:55:14 PM EST
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muvva's lil 'elpers...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 02:09:43 PM EST
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Indeed. I wouldn't let any of that stuff into my throat.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 02:40:49 PM EST
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I want to feel, not unfeel. Without feelings you can know a lot, but understand nothing.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 05:12:24 PM EST
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That's what's wrong with New Orleans, don't you know? Their water supply is at the end of around a million square miles of drug-infested drains.
by asdf on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 11:36:50 PM EST
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Stay calm! Every thing is under control. Just take your Prozac and piss in the lake.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 06:28:13 PM EST
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The Moderate Wing of the GOP rears its head and finds its Guy:

Out in the Real World

PPP just completed a poll of Iowa Republicans and found one Jon Huntsman supporter. Not one percent. One. And he's a mildly conservative middle aged man who voted for Obama in 2008.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 02:52:52 PM EST
CSU predicts a very active hurricane season: 16 storms, 9 hurricanes

A very active Atlantic hurricane season is on tap for 2011, according to the seasonal hurricane forecast issued June 1 by Dr. Phil Klotzbach and Dr. Bill Gray of Colorado State University (CSU). The CSU team is calling for 16 named storms, 9 hurricanes, and 5 intense hurricanes, and an Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) 166% of average.

urk

Drew's been whimpering about the lack of rain so Ma Nature has provided:

... a surprise storm off the coast of Florida that is a threat to develop into a tropical depression later this week, after it crosses Florida into the Gulf of Mexico.

Dr. Masters goes on to predict:

It could develop into a tropical storm.  Or not.  It could develop into a hurricane.  Or not.  Either it will do one of those two things or it will do something else.  

Ah, life in a Universe governed by Sensitivity Dependence to Initial Conditions.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 03:09:13 PM EST
I'd almost welcome a solid tropical storm at this point.  It was 101F when I went home this afternoon.  Usually we don't hit triple digits until July or August.  And we usually have twice as much rain as we've had so far.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 05:01:18 PM EST
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The oppressively high humidity (30%) and mid-80s temps we may get thunderstorms later.  While the precipitation is needed the aftermath of thunderstorms: forest fires, aren't.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 05:07:28 PM EST
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Just wait till  get you in the sauna. Humidity schumidity.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 05:17:45 PM EST
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"Oh, I'm looking forward to it with eager anticipation!"

(He lied.)

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 07:07:33 PM EST
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I should throw things at you.  "Oppressively high humidity" at 30%.  Gah, Westerners....

;)

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 07:45:54 PM EST
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The other thing about flatlanders is all that air pressure, compacting their brains, turns 'em hostile.

:-p

All kidding aside ...

You need to get a hurricane plan together.  This season is shaping-up to be a humdinger.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 09:27:42 PM EST
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And can you believe today's outbreak of tornadoes in Massachusetts?  Jeez.

 

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 09:29:37 PM EST
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Here's why you don't want to live in Kansas. Well, one of the reasons: "TORNADOES...HAIL TO 2.5 INCHES IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND GUSTS TO 70 MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE AREAS."

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/watch/ww0415.html

by asdf on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 11:49:13 PM EST
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in CA's central valley. nothing as destructive as what they got in MA, but pretty weird all the same.
by wu ming on Thu Jun 2nd, 2011 at 01:06:15 AM EST
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OW-UH TAHNADAHS AH BETTAH THAN YO-UH TARNADAHS!  NO ONE DENIES THIS!

In all seriousness, yes, the weather has gone completely nuts so far this year.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jun 2nd, 2011 at 06:20:41 AM EST
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