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Summit post-mortem: should we be planning one for the euro too?

by Colman Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 04:21:39 AM EST

This morning's comment by Eurogreen sums up my feelings:

The text merits all the scorn and cold water poured on it. Still, there is incremental progress in the right direction on a number of points. Major beef-up for the EFSF and ESM. Lower interest rates and extended maturities on future loans, with a "grace period of 10 years". Ireland and Portugal get the same deal.
"Financial sector" haircut of €37 billion; interestingly, no mechanism specified! But this is the first step of a write-down.
"Marshall Plan" reference is removed, but EU funds and the EIB are to be mobilized by the Commission's task force, to target "competitiveness and growth, job creation and training". This is such a wide remit that the effects depend on who's driving, and their ideological orientation.
EU parliament ordered to finalize and vote the "strengthening" of the "Stability and Growth Pact", member states agree to help the Polish presidency to bully the Parliament into submission on this. That should be interesting...
This is the first time that the Heads of State/Government seem to know what needs to be done, even if they're not doing it yet.

They were still talking about a "Marshall Plan" at the press conferences afterwards: it's clear that they're still fighting out the details in the background.

Classic EU compromise text: include what is agreed, work out the details later. At least it doesn't make things worse this time.

"Fumbling away from the edge of the precipice" indeed.


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See also the statements and the comparison between the leaked draft and the final.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 04:23:24 AM EST
Here is the official document from the Council. It's not exactly the same as the ones at those other links, I don't think.

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 05:29:28 PM EST
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It doesn't make things worse, except for the fun with the rating agencies and default and such things.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 04:23:57 AM EST
If we have (collectively) promised Greece to provide sufficient credit at lower-than-market interest rates, then Greece no longer has to borrow at market rates. What, then, is the negative effect if the rating agencies declare a de facto default or whatever?

Apart from enriching the hi-rollers who bought CDS, at the expense of American banks that sold it?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 05:10:47 AM EST
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And renewed push for the Suicide Pact while the ECB is raising rates.

It's a mixed bag.  There seems to be at least some connection to reality coming around as it relates to debt levels and interest, but they're still out to lunch on the macroeconomics.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 05:38:20 AM EST
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I think they're still fighting about the macroeconomics.

There's a whole other strand about structural funds and so on to work out, and I think that's were the real fight is now.

Less than 3% deficits are fine if Germany is busy pumping its surplus into the periphery by way of EU funding ... (not that I'm suggesting that that's what they'll do!).

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 05:58:04 AM EST
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Europe's Faustian Bargain: On the latest attempt to resolve the Greek debt crisis and its repercussions

A Greek commentary of his summarizes all this in its title: "Too little, too late".

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 05:17:10 AM EST
Agonized soul-searching from the Austerians.

"According to our models, austerity combined with the first feeble aid package should have provoked instant economic growth and a burgeoning tax take, filling the budget deficit and opening the path to growth-led prosperity. Instead, it provoked massive economic shrinkage and near-default. What went wrong? Did we slip a decimal place somewhere?"

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 05:19:01 AM EST
That's because Austerity has not been properly implemented yet!

Liquidate! Terminate! Appropriate!

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 05:54:18 AM EST
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The EU Directive


(6) It follows from these conclusions that the excessive
deficit in Finland has been corrected and Decision
2010/408/EU should therefore be abrogated,
HAS ADOPTED THIS DECISION:
Article 1
From an overall assessment it follows that the excessive deficit
situation in Finland has been corrected.
Article 2
Decision 2010/408/EU is hereby abrogated.
Article 3
This Decision is addressed to the Republic of Finland.
Done at Brussels, 12 July 2011.
For the Council
The President
J. VINCENT-ROSTOWSKI
L 187/28 EN Official Journal of the European Union 16.7.2011

Whew. Thought we were gonna lose Sven and sgr2.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 05:53:24 AM EST

You can't say fairer than that...

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 05:54:02 AM EST
European debt crisis: As it happened | Business | guardian.co.uk

8.38pm: Time for a couple of questions. And they're both good ones.

A Bloomberg reporter asks for details on the issue of the EFSF being given to buy Greek debt in the secondary market - where sovereign debt is traded between investors. Does this mean that Greece will be able to buy its own debt back, at a discount to its nominal value?

Yes, replies van Rompuy. This mechanism can be used both for stability (eg, persuading investors that Greek debt still has value) and for debt reduction.

Outbreak of sanity? M Trichet will have a coronary.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 05:54:05 AM EST
Eurointelligence Daily Briefing: Better than expected - but reduction in net present value of Greek debt
is only 21%
The European Council agreed on a package for Greece and changed the rules of the EFSF; initial market reaction was euphoric as Spanish and Italian yields came down; agreement includes a new Greek EFSF/EU programme of €109bn; the private sector will contribute €50bn until mid-2014, and €106bn until 2019; participation scheme will attract a temporary SD rating; package includes funds for bank recapitalisation and collateral enhancements to allow Greek banks to borrow from ECB; EFSF loans' maturities will be lengthened to 15-30 years, and interest rates cut to 3.5%; this also applies to Ireland and Portugal; EFSF can act pre-emptively, and will get flexible credit lines, right to buy bonds in secondary markets, and to recapitalise banks; details of PSI to be worked out with IIF; European Council also agreed on what it called a Marshall Plan for Greece, with more EU investments flowing into the region; Nicolas Sarkozy calls it the beginning of a European Monetary Fund; FT calls it a political victory for Angela Merkel; Hans Werner Sinn says agreement amounts to economic blackmail against Germany; other German economists are more balanced in their assessment; FT Deutschland gave a cautious endorsement of the agreement; Les Echos celebrates Nicolas Sarkozy as the eurozone's crisis manager; Dominique Seux writes the EU will need many more such agreements to overcome the crisis; Jean Quatremer called last night's summit a beautiful success that proved the eurosceptics wrong; the Irish Independent welcomes the €800m a year reduction in Irish interest payments; the FT's Lex column says the market reaction is too extreme; Nouriel Roubini says the reduction in net present value is not sufficient; Paul Krugman focuses on the EU's wish for everybody to save at the same time, to be competitive against each other; Bild, meanwhile, is jubilant about the fact that Greece is now bankrupt.
(Google link)

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 08:01:01 AM EST
In an unsigned editorial Financial Times Deutschland cautiously endorses lat night's summit deal. "Europe has the right to cheer a little, at least with one arm", the paper explains.

Or do they mean, clap with one hand?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 08:30:44 AM EST
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How Zen.

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 08:58:08 AM EST
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Fitch First To Downgrade Greece To Speculative Default As Greek CDS Tumble By Most Ever, Analysts Balk At Bailout | zero hedge
Earlier today, Fitch announced it would be the first rating agency to declare Greece has defaulted, albeit on an interim basis. According to Reuters, Fitch Ratings will declare Greece in restricted default on its debt due to the steps taken in a new euro zone rescue package but will likely assign new ratings of a low speculative grade once a bond exchange is completed, the agency said on Friday. The agency said that the reduction in interest rates Greece is paying on its debts and extension of maturities gave it a chance of regaining solvency and would support its rating. "Fitch will assign new post-default ratings to Greece and to the new debt instruments once the default event is cured with the issue of new securities to participating bondholders," the agency said. "The new ratings will likely be low speculative-grade."


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 08:12:31 AM EST
Major beef-up for the EFSF and ESM.
Not the way I read it.

The EFSF and ESM are given more flexibility in their action. However, there is no increase in the size of their available financial resources. And the EFSF's vaunted €750bn are mostly guarantees. From Wikipedia:

The EFSF can issue bonds or other debt instruments on the market with the support of the German Debt Management Office to raise the funds needed to provide loans to eurozone countries in financial troubles, recapitalize banks or buy sovereign debt. Emissions of bonds would be backed by guarantees given by the euro area member states in proportion to their share in the paid-up capital of the European Central Bank (ECB).

The Facility may be combined with loans up to €60 billion from the European Financial Stabilisation Mechanism (reliant on funds raised by the European Commission using the EU budget as collateral) and up to €250 billion from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to obtain a financial safety net up to €750 billion.

If there is no financial operation in activity the EFSF would close down after three years, on 30 June 2013. If there is a financial operation in activity, then the Facility would exist until its last obligation has been fully repaid.

So the ESM can loan €60bn to the EFSF, and the IMF can loan it €250bn but the rest of the €750bn have to be raised from the market by issuing bonds guaranteed by the US member states.

In other words, the capital that the EFSF will have available to stabilize the markets has to come from the market itself.

Economics is politics by other means

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 11:03:52 AM EST
Which US member states. ;-))

(That's just to show we read your posts.)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 12:59:36 PM EST
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California, of course.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 07:59:25 PM EST
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Reuters: Italy must take more steps to lower debt - Merkel (Friday Jul 22, 2011)
Italy will have to take further steps to lower its public debt, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Friday, adding that Rome's austerity programme was good. "Italy's austerity programme was absolutely good. But it will be a process and demands further steps in the future," Merkel told a news conference.
And, on cue, the markets reacted sending Italian and Spanish debt spreads on a tailspin again.
"The summit agreement from yesterday lowered the risk of contagion," she added.
And we couldn't have that, could we, Angie?

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 11:29:14 AM EST
Yanis Varoufakis: Europe's Faustian Bargain: On the latest attempt to resolve the Greek debt crisis and its repercussions
Alas, going through the merits of this Agreement is akin to discussing a decent plan for extending the Maginot line through Belgium after Hitler had taken Paris. In short, the horses have bolted and we are debating the merits of the new barn gates. Am I exaggerating? Read Article 7 of the agreement to see that I am not. After Article 6 states that the haircut concerns Greece and Greece alone ("we would like to make it clear that Greece requires an exceptional and unique solution"), Article 7 adds: "All other euro countries solemnly reaffirm their inflexible determination to honour fully their own individual sovereign signature and all their commitments to sustainable fiscal conditions and structural reforms." In other words, the pledges that Greece was making till now, the rest (e.g. Ireland) will continue to make independently of their capacity to meet them. This is priceless gift to speculators who love nothing more than testing such unsustainable `solemn' and `inflexible' commitments on behalf of governments and EU bodies with a long history of such declarations that are confirmed more in the breach than in the observance.

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Now, if these three steps were enough to ringfence Greece, their implementation cost would be manageable and their outcome desirable. Unfortunately, this type of ringfencing is at least a year too late. Back then, prior to May 2010, the cost of these measures would have fallen below the EFSF's €450 billion funding base. Today, the cost has skyrocketed to around €2 trillion. For it is impossible to imagine that Greece will be borrowing at 3,5% while Spain is struggling to roll over its huge debts in the money markets at more than 6%. And it is preposterous to imagine that any sensible person will be convinced by our leaders' oath that the Irish debt will not be restructured when the Greek debt is subjected to a menu of alternative haircuts. Additionally, it is mindnumbingly perverse to think that sluggish Italy can be left to the appetite of the credit rating agencies and at the mercy of the wolves of the money markets who have already scented blood coming from Rome, Madrid even Brussels itself.

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My alternative interpretation is that Mrs Merkel has gone too far down the road of the fiscal transfers that she, supposedly, admonishes. As I argued above, this new package for Greece is hugely expensive on the German taxpayer and, worse still, it creates a fresh chain reaction (in the realm of speculation) that can only inflate that cost exponentially in the coming months. Rather than bringing about greater political union, and a new resolve to homogenise debt and investment, the escalating cost to the German taxpayer will undermine Berlin's political resolve to stick to the euro.



Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 05:04:50 PM EST
As I argued above, this new package for Greece is hugely expensive on the German taxpayer and, worse still, it creates a fresh chain reaction (in the realm of speculation) that can only inflate that cost exponentially in the coming months. Rather than bringing about greater political union, and a new resolve to homogenise debt and investment, the escalating cost to the German taxpayer will undermine Berlin's political resolve to stick to the euro.

The consequences he describes could not befall a more deserving government and Germany exiting the euro might be the best way to save the euro as an instrument for countries other than Germany and the other surplus countries.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 08:07:50 PM EST
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ABC [AU]: The Greek deal is too late: Varoufakis
ALI MOORE: Well indeed you make it sound so simple, we are out of time. But I have to ask, if you were a betting man, would you bet this will happen, or do you truly believe the system is that close to collapse?

YANIS VAROUFAKIS: There is a fundamental difference between the bet that I would place as a rational agent and the bet I would place as a sentimental agent. My sentimental bet is that it will work, because I can't even imagine what kind of postmodern 1930s we're going to end up with in Europe if the Eurosystem breaks up.

So let's stop crowing that "this couldn't happen to a more deserving government"...

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jul 23rd, 2011 at 02:41:21 AM EST
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Well, the people, regardless of how they voted, deserve better from their leaders, as do the citizens of the peripheral countries, from their own governments, from the EU and from the most powerful country in the group. The sad thing is that, even after the fact, there may never be a majority that significantly understood that they need not have gone through it all.

Nor will the USA likely be spared a similar fate, given the stupidity, the entrenched corruption and the deliberately misled popular opinion here as well. Indeed, it is looking more and more likely that the Koch brothers and their hirelings in the "Tea Party" movement may provoke a default unless Obama and the Congressional Democrats completely surrender, or even if they do. The Kochs have their assets privately held and concentrated in fossil fuels and food and may feel they will "win" if they blow up Wall Street in a Cowboy triumph. But Orlov is right in that a collapse of finance will be much more dire this time than in the 1930s, so I will get back to building my garden fence, etc.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jul 23rd, 2011 at 09:00:31 AM EST
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I doubt you feel that I should be sympathetic to the Merkel or the Obama governments, both of which will be fortunate to have as generous an historical assessment as has the Hoover government in the USA.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jul 23rd, 2011 at 09:10:48 AM EST
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Granted, but when you say

" Germany exiting the euro might be the best way to save the euro as an instrument for countries other than Germany and the other surplus countries.
"

then you're ignoring the fallout on us.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Jul 24th, 2011 at 03:06:35 PM EST
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Germany can exit the €-Mark with minimal fallout.

Of course "can" and "will" are two entirely different things when you have a government run of, by and for banksters and idiots.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Jul 24th, 2011 at 03:38:39 PM EST
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This stuff doesn't happen to governments, it happens to ordinary people.

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 25th, 2011 at 07:01:18 AM EST
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And who, besides billionaires, would not prefer avoiding the agony to having a tiny bit of consolation?

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jul 25th, 2011 at 09:08:51 AM EST
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