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Berlin Elections

by DoDo Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 08:44:34 AM EST

Germany's capital Berlin is also one of the country's 16 states, thus today's elections are municipal and regional at the same time. The election system is like in (most) regional and federal elections, that is, people vote for both single-district candidates and party lists (with a 5% limit), resulting in a nearly party-proportional parliament, which elects the government and the "governing mayor" (the equivalent of PM).

Berlin's political landscape is special. It is the only state combining parts of former East and West Germany. Not just two but four parties can expect double-digits results: the governing Social Democrats (SPD) and Left Party, as well as the Greens and the Christian Democrats (CDU). The mayor, Klaus "Wowi" Wowereit (see portrait here) is the one SPD leader who has no problems working with the Left Party, and was the first gay top politician in Germany to come out.

The campaign was rather tepid and issues-free, except for a row about youth violence, until – as now customary since Merkel's temporary no to the first rescue package for Greece two years ago, which kicked off another market run and turned the problem into a Euro crisis – a party in the federal government decided to take the EU hostage for regional election gain. This time, the neo-liberal FDP, which was in danger of dropping from yet another regional parliament, decided to go for the Eurosceptic vote by openly talking about a sovereign default of Greece and kicking it out of the Eurozone, calling for a signature collection, and defying Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Now, what is at stake in this election?

  1. The Pirate Party looks likely to get in – its first election success at this level in Germany. This would be an opportunity to see what the party wants in terms of policies other than information freedom, and what kind of people it has other than the lone ex-SPD federal MP they had who was convicted for owning paedophile porn.
  2. The SPD looks set to be a clear winner; the question is, whom will they choose as coalition partner: the current partner, the ailing Left Party, or the Greens, or a CDU benefiting from the crime debate.
  3. This time, the federal significance of the regional election is not via Germany's upper house, but the mayor: if the SPD does well, Wowi is expected to enter the race for chancellor candidate (competing with the three centrist losers currently dominating the federal SPD).
  4. The FDP's success or failure in passing the 5% limit will likely decide over the continuation of its Eurosceptic course, too, and thus influence the futures of Merkel, Greece, and the Euro.


Some additional details below the fold.

I continue to view Wowereit as a somewhat shallow politician and a centrist at heart, which is underlined by the issues-free focus on his person in the Berlin SPD's campaign. Still, as chancellor candidate, I'd prefer him to the current three hopefuls, who are in order of chances:

  • Peer Steinbrück: currently a 'simple' federal MP but topping the popularity polls; before that, finance minister in Merkel's first, Grand Coalition government; before that, the mid-term PM of Northrhine-Westphalia who lost that formerly core SPD state to the CDU in his first election; a thoroughly uninspiring doctrinaire third-wayist.
  • Franz-Walter Steinmeier: currently the federal faction leader; before that, foreign minister of the Grand Coalition government who led the SPD to another election loss as chancellor candidate; before that, chancellor Gerhard Schröder's behind-the-scenes point man as his minister of the chancellery.
  • Sigmar Gabrel: the current chairman of the SPD; before that, environment minister of the Grand Coalition government who alone made some noise towards the election; before that, Schröder's mid-term successor as PM of Lower Saxony who lost that state to the CDU in the next election. He wants to be chancellor, too, though his poll numbers aren't good.

A trio of losers and yesterdaymen in terms of policy.

Staying with the SPD, the Berlin SPD, a scandal that wasn't but should have been concerned their acceptance of a campaign donation from a certain person: Thilo Sarrazin. As I wrote in more detail in Green and Oriental Berlin, this dubious financial expert was first brought into Berlin politics by Wowereit to be his finance minister, to serve as a fig leaf for an austerity programme; then Sarrazin decided that he is an expert on immigration, and wrote an anti-Muslim-immigrant scandal book; then the SPD failed to fire him from the party. With the donation, Sarrazin remained true to himself in seeking controversy; while the local SPD remained true to itself in trying to avoid any confrontation or debate, saying 'what's wrong with a donation from a party member'.

Moving on to the Left Party, they are expected to lose and barely pass 10%. This appears to be largely the result of a controversy set off by the federal party which I find frankly inexplicable: the co-leaders of the party (see Successors for Red Oskar and Concrete-head Bisky) saw fit to write a glowing congratulatory letter to Cuban ex-leader Fidel Castro for his birthday. Praising Cuba would be one thing, but praising dictators in leadership fetish mode a whole other thing. A perfect invitation to resurrect views of the Left Party as the wolf of the former East German nomenclature in the sheep clothes of a hard-left democratic party, although the West German ex-SPD co-head is fully responsible, too.

The Greens looked head-to-head with the SPD half a year ago, with poll numbers of up to 30%, but now they slipped back to the 20% region due to bad communication, a loss of radical voters to the Pirate Party and a loss of other leftist voters afraid of a CDU-Green option to the other leftist parties, and a focus on the others' themes.  

The Greens were overtaken in the polls by the CDU, who could apparently gather law-and-order voters, in spite of campaign blunders. The crime debate is fuelled on one hand by a car arson wave; on the other hand, by this video of a security camera at a subway station from April, showing an 18-year-old knocking a 29-year-old to the ground and kicking his head while his companion just looked on:

Reportedly, this is far from the first case of violence on the public space, and statistics actually show an improvement (a reduction of such cases). But the media focus on this case, and talk of a 'series' when there were further cases of violence, kicked off a competition in promising better safety on public transport and extra measures against car arson.

The Berlin FDP, in its attempt to survive this election, also resorted to putting burning cars on its election posters. When that didn't help, came the 'help' of federal party boss Philipp Rösler, who begun to speculate about a Greek default and its consequences. Now German chancellors are supposed to have the power to end a debate in the government by speaking a 'word of power' (Machtwort). For once, Merkel warned against irresponsible talk that could create a panic on the markets, a sin she committed herself multiple times over the past two years. But, defying the Machtwort, Rösler and other FDP leaders continued (and got some help from the Bavarian CSU). Whether this leads to the disintegration of the German federal government, or a disintegration of the Eurozone, or nothing much, remains to be seen.

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I'll report exit polls and results when polling stations close at 18h CET.

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by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 06:42:37 AM EST
ARD/infratest dimap:

Party%Δ
SPD (Social Democrats)29.5%-1.3
CDU (Christian Democrats)23.5%+2.1
Greens18.0%+4.9
Left Party (hard left)11.5%+1.9
Pirate Party (information freedom)8.5%+8.5
FDP (Free Democrats; neoliberals)2.0%-5.6


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:03:17 PM EST
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Party%Δ
SPD (Social Democrats)29.5%-1.3
CDU (Christian Democrats)23.0%+1.6
Greens18.5%+5.4
Left Party (hard left)11.5%+1.9
Pirate Party (information freedom)9.0%+9.0
FDP (Free Democrats; neoliberals)2.0%-5.6


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:04:39 PM EST
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Sorry about the Left Party: that should be -1.9 percentage points, not +1.9.

Pirates are the big winners, they achieved the prediction of the very last polls.

FDP crashes – hooray! There are some 7% "other", and I suspect that even the far-right NPD is ahead of the FDP (they got 3% in recent polls).

CDU gained more than expected – please no Grand Coalition.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:08:02 PM EST
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The pollster said in advance of more detailed results that voters were most interested in the issue of social equity, and that the Pirate Party was most successful in mobilising non-voters of the previous election. He just says that one quarter each came from Greens, Left Party, SPD and non-voters.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:14:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
More from the ARD analysis:

  • The coalition question: most support red-green (58%), much less a Grand Coalition (35%) or a continuation of red-red (32%).
  • The governing mayor question: Wowereit is preferred over CDU candidate Henkel 60:28, over Greens candidate Künast (the former consumer protection mninister) 65:23.
  • Majorities support statements to the tune that the SPD would stand not a chance without Wowi, that the Greens made a bad choice with Künast, and Henkel doesn't have the format of a mayor.
  • Majorities also support statements to the tune that many vote for the SPD because there is no alternative, that no major problems were solved in its 10 years, and that Wowereit ensured that Berlin is again hip.
  • One thing is how many people give their own vote for the small parties, another how many would like to see them in parliament: the Pirates get the support of 38%, the FDP only of 29%.
  • Election-deciding themes: social equity (36%), economic policy (30%), education policy (27%) and job market policy (18%).
  • East-West difference in the themes economy, jobs, social equity, rent: in each category, a few more percentage points of East Berliners see them as election-deciding.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:27:05 PM EST
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If you find a link to the this (the statement or the more detailed result) I would find it useful.

Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se
by A swedish kind of death on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 02:45:40 PM EST
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It's here. This is a Flash graphics in German; choose "Wählerwanderungen" (voter migration), and then choose the before-before last icon at bottom for the Pirate Party. Turns out the migrations weren't that even: they gained 21,000 voters each from non-voters and voters of also-ran parties, 16,000 from the Greens, 13,000 from the SPD, 12,000 from the Left Party, 6,000 from the FDP, and just 4,000 from the CDU.

Other interesting voter movements:

  • Non-voters: interestingly, all left-wing parties showed modest gains and the CDU showed a loss to non-voters despite its overall gains, but the second-biggest movement was FDP voters staying home.
  • FDP: even more than the previous switched to the CDU, by far the single biggest movement (30,000 voters).
  • Left Party: the loss to the Pirates dwarfs all other movements, of wich the gain from non-voters was the biggest.
  • Greens: the loss to the Pirates is balanced by a gain from the SPD; they gained from everyone else except the CDU.
  • CDU: after the FDP, they gained most from the SPD.
  • SPD: significant losses to the Greens, Pirates and CDU; gains from the FDP, also-ran parties and non-voters. That's interesting: I would have thought that they gained from the Left Party (but that really went to the Pirates).


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:16:10 PM EST
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Thanks. Also note that:

Kompetenzen der Piratenpartei

Datenschutz 16
transparente Verwaltung 9
soziale Gerechtigkeit 4



Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se
by A swedish kind of death on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:40:09 PM EST
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They now uploaded even more.

Age distribution:

  • 18-24 years: 16%
  • 25-34 years: 17%
  • 35-44 years: 10%
  • 45-59 years: 8%
  • 60 years or more: 4%

Pirate Party voters' views on the own party:
  • Ensures that at last the younger people get a say: 93%
  • An alternative for those who would otherwise abstain: 86%
  • Elected to give other parties a lesson: 59% (so many voters were conscious protest voters – the Pirates will have to work to keep these people)
  • Is the only party standing up for individual freedom: 51%


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 06:44:07 PM EST
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    11.5%    +1.9

-1.9%, not +.

Surprised about greens and SPD. CDU better then expected. left as expected. Result: red-green.

No success for the FDP and its anti-euro rhetoric.  

by IM on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:05:31 PM EST
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The Pirate Party website includes predictions for East and West Berlin separately. They predict 12% in the East vs. 8% in the West. The FDP only has 1% in the East....
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:16:14 PM EST
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FDP and CDU are traditionally weak in the east and the left in the west. I never would have thought the pirates could prosper in the east.
by IM on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:20:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
They went after the protest vote, and the Left Party 'helped' them.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:29:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
FDP and CDU are traditionally weak in the east and the left in the west.

I'm surprised just how strong the difference for the Left Party is: 23% in the East, 5% in the West!? And the difference for the Greens is much less: 12% and 21%.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:32:07 PM EST
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That is the secrte of power of the SPd in Berlin: They get the same results in both sides of the city. The greens have catched up in the east, but then Prenzlauer berg and Friedrichshain are both in the east. Where gentrification comes, the green vote share rises.
by IM on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:41:25 PM EST
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Districts like Prenzlauer Berg and Friedrichshain are nominally in the east but have a strong "young urban" profile.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:27:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
NPD at 3%...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:30:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Preliminary final results:

Party%ΔSeatsΔ
Turnout/total60.2%+2.2152+3
SPD (Social Democrats)28.3%-2.548-5
CDU (Christian Democrats)23.4%+2.139+2
Greens17.6%+4.530+7
Left Party (hard left)11.7%-1.720-3
Pirate Party (information freedom)8.9%+8.915+15
NPD (neo-Nazi far-right)2.1%-0.50±0
FDP (Free Democrats; neoliberals)1.8%-5.80-13
Animal Protection Party1.5%+0.70±0
The Party (satirist outfit) 0.9%+0.90±0
pro Germany (Islamophobe)1.2%+1.20±0
The Freedom (Islamophobe, led by CDU breakaway René Stadtkewitz)1.0%+1.00±0
BIG (Moslem/pro-immigrant) 0.5%+0.50±0

The one sub-story that went amiss is that the far-right vote was splintered, but was there: the neo-Nazi NPD suffered some losses but two new Islamophobe parties added up to just as much.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 02:53:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Majority: 77

Potential coalitions discussed before the election:

  • Grand Coalition: 57
  • red-green: 78
  • black-green: 69
  • red-red: 68


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 02:58:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What is the color for Pirates?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 03:04:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
They chose orange, and at least ARD respects their choice.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 03:28:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Grand Coalition 87?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 05:29:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I should really watch my typos...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 20th, 2011 at 02:56:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
At least you know someone is reading.  ;-)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Sep 20th, 2011 at 03:20:05 PM EST
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I have a hard time believing that one silly letter to Castro would damage the Left Party. The media has accused them of planning to set up the USSR 2.0 since they weren't even a party.

They seem to have lost seats since they entered government though.

by generic on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 08:16:12 AM EST
I have a hard time believing that one silly letter to Castro would damage the Left Party.

There were also the renewed attacks against Klaus Ernst for owning a Porsche, and the row over Lötsch's link between the attack on the Soviet Union and the construction of the Berlin Wall in early August, and I might have missed other stories, but a 2-3% drop in Left Party numbers came in all the polls of major pollsters made after the media caught wind of the Castro letter on 20 August. (An INFO Gmbh saw them lose 4 percentage points in their 8-12 August poll). Checking the longer trend, they got upwind after the 2006 elections but began to sink from the end of 2008, then got stronger again by early 2010, and then down again.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 08:50:56 AM EST
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Al, true. But I think in state elections where is also the problem that the prime minister, in this case the mayor, tends the monopolize public attention. So the minor coalition partner, in this case the left tends to suffer.
by IM on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 09:05:53 AM EST
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That is my impression too. The left in Berlin suffered since they entered the state government. Now it is true that the left on federal level is stagnating or slightly shrinking since the elections in 2009. And thier inept leadership is one reason the famous letter just the last episode.

On the other hand in elections in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern two weeks ago the left slightly gained votes. But then they are in opposition there.

On the third hand the problem in Berlin from the viewpoint of the Left is not so much losing votes, but losing power. Losing only 0.5 - 1.0% of votes could still be enough that the current red-red coalition will lose its majority.

by IM on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 09:00:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Do we have a three handed economist here? :-)

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 11:58:35 PM EST
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<The SPD looks set to be a clear winner; the question is, whom will they choose as coalition partner: the current partner, the ailing Left Party, or the Greens, or a CDU benefiting from the crime debate.<<p> They will only have the choice between CDU and Greens. And since the greens are not that strong now, they will choose the greens. They would have liked to govern with the left, so that the SPD is not vulnerable to opposition from the left in East Berlin. But the numbers won't be there.

>This time, the federal significance of the regional election is not via Germany's upper house, but the mayor: if the SPD does well, Wowi is expected to enter the race for chancellor candidate (competing with the three centrist losers currently dominating the federal SPD).<

The leftish credentials of Wowereit are rather vague. His political opinions on most federal issues are rather vague. And I still don't believe that he actually wants the job.

The federal significance will be rather low, because there will happen nothing in the Bundesrat: red-red or red-green will effect the same here. And expectations regarding the CDU are so low that there will be no repercussions there either. The pirates will matter and especially the FDP: Will the new anti-european course work?

by IM on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 09:14:16 AM EST
The leftish credentials of Wowereit are rather vague.

Vague to nonexistent :-) But being vague also means he cannot 'break his word', and if red-green is not enough, red-red-green would only be possible under him.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 09:26:18 AM EST
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Commenter on ARD also just told that even if Wowi won't run for chancellor, as third times re-elected state head he will be influential in the chancellor candidate selection, and he is no friend of Steinbrück.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 11:57:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
SPD boss Sigmar Gabrel attended the Berlin SPD's celebration, and spoke with forked tongue: "...although the result wasn't as good as some expected..."

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 01:24:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Given how it looked a few months ago, Künast's result wasn't at all as good as expected (although the polls had already showed that.)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:40:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
She looked like struggling to hold her tears when grilled by the ARD reporter in the round of list leaders.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:46:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
By the way, S. didn't seem to matter at all in this election. Immigrants seem to vote red and green as usual. The cowardly tactic to hope that the whole thing will fade seems to have worked.
by IM on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 09:29:50 AM EST
This reminded me of the taz interview with the editor of Hürriyet, Turkey's main tabloid, on his reasons to have his paper ignore the whole Sarrazin controversy.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 09:59:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Gentrification. If the Spiggl takes it up it must be true! As the new European center for 'hip' with an 'undervalued' real estate market, Berlin is experiencing a rapid appreciation of housing prices. Poorer residents are forced to the periphery in a catch-up game to London and Paris.

The German Gentrification Blog, written by a lefty sociologist, documents the struggles of residents against rising rents and the political inaction until recently. Housing policy was on the radar for the first time in this election but the parties will still need years to get around to concrete measures, maybe too late to do something substantial. Except for the FDP. Their mantra is "Do nothing! Gentrification is great."

As for the cliche hipness/coolness factor of Berlin:



Schengen is toast!

by epochepoque on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 09:47:31 AM EST
The media already focuses on what could break the red-green coalition: plans to extend the city highway A 100.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 01:08:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Ah yes, the Greens demanded that project to be canceled as a precondition for a coalition. Not that they're wrong: who puts highways in cities nowadays? Another stupid project that could have a saner alternative. Wowereit called that stance "desperate". I don't know what he means by that.

Schengen is toast!
by epochepoque on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 01:31:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The SPD guy who was interviewed over this was still in aggressive anti-Greens mode – paraphrasing from memory: "who thinks that a 3.5 km highway is the greatest issue for the city? That is other than some over-excited citizens and the Greens?"

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 01:37:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Funny. A guest commentary by the former ranking planning commissioner (1991-2006) who is also a SPD member, shows how backwards the project is. It had its roots in the 60s and was resurrected to 'close the gaps left by the wall'. Another good show is coming.

Schengen is toast!
by epochepoque on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 01:57:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If Wowi is real nasty, he'll get a red-green coalition with no clear statement on the matter in the coalition agreement, and then he will get assembly approval for the highway with CDU votes... I wonder if the Berlin Greens are capable of stopping such an operation.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 06:21:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
SPD 28,5
CDU 23
Green 18,5
Linke 11,5
FDP 2,0 -> out
Piraten 9,0 -> newly in, sensation
Others 7,5

ZDF Live Prognosis

Schengen is toast!

by epochepoque on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:04:30 PM EST
SPD+Greens seems most likely: 77 seats.
SPD+CDU has a more comfortable majority of 85 seats but...
SPD+Linke is impossible with 66 seats.

Schengen is toast!
by epochepoque on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:07:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The same in ARD's current prediction:

SPD+Greens: 77
SPD+CDU: 87
SPD+Left Party: 67
CDU+Greens: 68

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:35:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The ZDF prognosis is filled with interesting data breakdowns of the electorate, enough for many discussions.

Zum Beispiel, for under 30s, the Pirates outpolled the Greens, and Die Linke has some really old voters. 30--44 year olds, the Greens took it with 29% to SPD's 25%.

Viel Spaß. (Und Danke epoch...)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:30:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It is clear from this one, too, that most people support Wowereit. He is speaking just now.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:40:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Crazy Horse:
Die Linke has some really old voters. 30--44 year olds


Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:43:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
2 separate. Sentences with a full stop. Between them...

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:53:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm too old and blind to see full stops...

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:59:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Another survey suggests that the Pirates (as you might conclude from their name) are mostly men.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:52:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
you see many women playing action quake?

Schengen is toast!
by epochepoque on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:53:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The difference is strong but not that strong in the ZDF poll: 7% of women and 12% of men. For the Greens, it's 21% of women and 16% of men.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 01:06:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
  • age: CDU and left Party are dying out (14% resp. 7% of under-30). Pirates did not out-poll the Greens among the under-30 overall (21% vs. 15%), only in the East (17% vs. 20%), but the Greens have the highest numbers among the middle-aged while the Pirates among the youngsters.
  • men/women: there seem to be more significant (and opposed) differences for the Greens (more women) and the Pirates (more men).
  • employment sector: it appears the SPD still conserved something of being a workers' party, while the CDU is still a clear preference for office clerks.
  • education: both SPD and CDU get less with increasing level of education, but the opposed trend for the Greens is much stronger, and stronger than the employment sector trend (from 8% of secondary highschool finishers and 39% of college graduates)

They also predict turnout at 59.5%, which would be 1.5 percentage points over the last 8abysmal) result. There is an East-West difference here, too: 56.5% vs. 62.0%.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 01:01:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Vote totals (from exit polls?) for over 60s:

Berlin OST
SPD = 36%
CDU    15%
Green  6%
Linke   35%
FDP      01%
Pirate  04%

Berlin WEST
SPD = 33%
CDU    41%
Green  12%
Linke   04%
FDP      03%
Pirate  05%

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 01:35:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Obvious point here being, the CDU has much support from people nearing their deathbed, or death bicycle, as the case may be.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 02:48:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The CDU is old West Berlin. the Left Old East Berlin.
by IM on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:41:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
From the SZ
"Die Menschen sollten sich sehr gut überlegen, ob sie aus reinem Protest für eine Partei stimmen, die ihren Spitzenkandidaten durch Los bestimmt", sagte Klaus Wowereit.
Is this true, or did Wowi make it up? All references that I have found so far go back to this quote.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:34:39 PM EST

I find it's true, but Wowi was spinning at 10,000 rpm: they selected their top candidate (list leader) by lot after the vote for candidates gave a deadeven for three at the top.

Piratenpartei Berlin - Piraten losen Spitzenplatz für die Landesliste

Die Stichwahl um die Plätze 1 bis 3 ergab Stimmengleichheit auf Platz 1 für den ehemaligen Vorsitzenden der Berliner Piraten, Andreas Baum, und ihren Pressesprecher Philipp Magalski. Gemäß Wahlordnung wurde der Spitzenkandidat Andreas Baum daher ausgelost.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 01:31:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Together with the pirate party's emergence, this is the big new, right? Unambiguous rejection of the austerian, euroskeptical party.

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:55:19 PM EST
Unfortunately, the other established parties are more or less austerian, too (Berlin got its own financial crisis just before Wowereit became mayor, and it is in practice under austerity ever since). However, the rejection of the Eurosceptic line seems unambiguous indeed.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 01:03:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, they may be in practice, but they are somewhat less associated with it, whereas the FDP is explicitly associated with it. Thus saying loudly that austerity is rejected by voters is hard to deny and might create some useful momentum of its own.

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 01:10:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm not certain i translated correctly, but when asked about the future, the FDP head (not Rösler) said something like, the recent conference of finance ministers has confirmed our position, and we will make that stance one of our priorities in the future.

Couldn't happen to a nicer Party.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 01:23:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
they are somewhat less associated with it, whereas the FDP is explicitly associated with it

Nope: if there is the austerity party, then it's the CDU; the FDP are the mad tax-cutters.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:01:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Most Berliners believe there is a hard austerity line is being practiced - though that's not really the case. The FDP's loud speculation about a Greek default or Euro exit are not so unwelcome in most people's ears. But those speculations don't matter in Berlin. They don't really have anything to say about social equity. Thus, the FDP exit.


Schengen is toast!

by epochepoque on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 01:18:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Zusätzlich zu ihrem Verlust musste die Berliner FDP auch noch bitteren Spott hinnehmen. Als die Prognose um 18 Uhr verkündet wurde, brandete Jubel von Anhängern der Konkurrenzpartei "Die Partei" um den ehemaligen "Titanic"-Chefredakteur Martin Sonneborn im Thomas-Dehler-Haus auf. Die rund 30 Mann hatten sich dort eingeschmuggelt. Die "Guerilla-Aktion" erklärte er dann im Saal mit den Worten: "Wir freuen uns, dass die letzte Spaßpartei in Berlin rausgeflogen ist." Sonneborn verteilte dann auch noch Aufnahmeanträge für "Die Partei". "Wir bieten FDP-Mitgliedern jetzt ein Aussteigerprogramm an."
English:
Added to the loss, Berlin's FDP had to endure biting derision. Members of the party "Die Partei" founded by the former "Titanic" editor Martin Sonneborn jubilated at the FDP's election party as the prognosis was announced at 6pm. 30 members had gained entrance to the FDP's center. He justified the guerilla action by saying "We are delighted that the last 'fun party' has been thrown out in Berlin." Sonneborn then distributed membership forms for "Die Partei". "We're offering a drop-out scheme to the FDP members."
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,786952,00.html

Schengen is toast!
by epochepoque on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:07:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
For the uninitiated: Titanic is a highly irreverent satirical magazine, and "Die Partei" ("The Party") is an actual legal party formed by the satirists to make fun of normal parties.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:43:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's been a long time since I last read one. Funny times. Just to show how irreverent they are, this is their current cover. It says "London deploys Breivik: Youth Riots Stopped!":



Schengen is toast!

by epochepoque on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 09:04:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]


Schengen is toast!
by epochepoque on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 05:08:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Unambiguous rejection of the austerian, euroskeptical party.

What about the CDU?

Economics is politics by other means

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 04:14:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The FDP is explicitly associated with austerian policies, openly promoted as such. The CDU, while conducting such policies, cloaks them in something else.

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 08:10:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Again, no: what the FDP really wants is tax cuts, they were dragged along on the austerity road by the CDU (and so was the CSU). Since Schäuble's big swing after the Northrhine-Westphalia elections, the CDU is the austerity party.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 02:44:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Forthrightly admitting ignorance ...

What does the Pirate Party want other than free downloads from iTune?

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 02:30:50 PM EST
Lower taxes on rum?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 02:42:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You picked a dumb example to make fun of, as the party platform never even mentions iTunes,

They do, however, state clearly that debt brakes are no solution, not even in Germany.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 02:45:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Where did you see that? The section on the economy mainly talks about a minimal wage and opposition to privatisation.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:29:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Piratenpartei Berlin

POSITIONSPAPIER - SCHULDENBREMSE IST AUCH KEINE LÖSUNG

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:47:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]
So it's there, but not in the detailed program. Sounds like it still needs some work. Debt brake may be no solution, but they need to propose an alternative as well.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:52:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well the alternative to a debt brake is no debt brake. Since the problem is artificial it requires no solution.
by generic on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 04:31:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
True, but if you want to be taken seriously you have to explain why that is a solution.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 04:45:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No, you have to explain why there is no problem asking for a solution.

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 04:13:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Twittering in the parliament and other things.
by IM on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 02:45:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
On ZDF? tonight, their "youth" political reporter gave examples of what the parties were saying on facecrack, and on the big screen, showed what some members had "getwittert."

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 02:51:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I don'r know. Their leader was asked about what they wanted to do now, he said transparency in politics, his example being twitter in parliamentary sessions.
by IM on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:45:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Are there currently rules against twittering?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:46:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]
He said so and no one denied it.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:47:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Meant the ZDF young reporter, who showed the Twitter examples and used the word "getwittert." She just mentioned how that made this election different.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:49:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I will happily leave the translation of 51 pages of German to someon else, but the program can be found here:

Piratenpartei Berlin

Piratenpartei Berlin Mehr Demokratie wagen!

And these are the headlines:
DEMOKRATIE  5
Mehr Demokratie wagen .................................................................................................6
Mehr Demokratie beim Wählen .......................................................................................6
Stimmhürden senken .................................................................................................... ...6
Demokratie bezieht alle ein .............................................................................................7
Stärkung der Bezirke .................................................................................................... .... 7
Mehr Verbindlichkeit für  
direktdemokratische Initiativen .......................................................................................8
TRANSPARENZ  9
Transparenz für eine bürgernahe
und nachvollziehbare Politik ..........................................................................................10
Open Government - Der Bürger  
im Zentrum der Politik und Verwaltung .......................................................................... 11
Aktive Informationspolitik ............................................................................................. 12
Ö娠entliche Daten gehören den Berlinern,  
nicht den Archiven .................................................................................................... ..... 12
Gleichberechtigter Zugang ermöglicht Innovation......................................................... 13
Sicherer Datenhafen für Berlin:  
Pressefreiheit stärken, Whistleblower schützen .............................................................14
NETZE  15
Das Netz bietet die Möglichkeiten ................................................................................. 16
Aufbau eines Freifunknetzes ......................................................................................... 16
Bereitstellung von Hotspots durch das Land Berlin ........................................................16
Mauer der digitalen Spaltung überwinden! .................................................................... 17
Erweiterung Spektrum ................................................................................................... 17
Freistellung der HaŪung für Anbieter ............................................................................ 17
BILDUNG  18
Ö娠entliche Bildung braucht freien Zugang  
zu Inhalten und Infrastruktur ......................................................................................... 19
Schulpolitik in Berlin .................................................................................................... .. 19
Fließende Schullaufbahn ............................................................................................... 19
Unterstützende und Nankierende Maßnahmen  
für das Schulsystem - IT und Lernmittel .........................................................................20
Digitale Medien .................................................................................................... .........20
3
Schulkultur .................................................................................................... ................20
Gleichberechtigte Finanzierung  
von Schulen in freier Trägerscha駂............................................................................. .....20
Kostenloses Mittagessen und Schulobstprogramm für Berlin ........................................ 21
Sprache ist der Schlüssel zur Bildung ............................................................................. 21
Unsere Ansätze: .................................................................................................... ......... 21
Frei und kritisch studieren ohne Regelstudienzeit ..........................................................22
Gemeinsamer Runder Tisch von Hochschulen,  
öؠentlichen Trägern, Lehrenden, Lernenden und Forschenden .....................................22
Bibliotheksgesetz für Berlin ...........................................................................................22
STADTENTWICKLUNG  23
Berlin hat Charakter - Kiezcharakter ..............................................................................24
Mietergemeinscha駂en:  
Wir stärken die Mieter gegenüber Eigentümerinteressen. .............................................24
Kultureller Schutz der Zeugnisse der Geschichte Berlins ................................................24
Erhaltung von Frei㡲ächen in Berlin ................................................................................25
Auf zu freien Ufern! .................................................................................................... ...25
Historische Verantwortung tragen - Mauerpark erhalten! .............................................25
VERKEHR & ÖPNV  26
Stopp der Verfolgung von Schwarzfahrern .................................................................... 27
Fahrscheinlose Nutzung ÖPNV zum Nulltarif ................................................................. 27
Mobilität nach Einkommen - Nicht mit uns! ............................................................. 27
Mehr Lebensqualität in der Stadt .............................................................................. 27
Service statt Kontrolle ............................................................................................... 27
Konzept statt Chaos .................................................................................................28
Gemeinschaؠliche Finanzierung ...............................................................................28
Transparenz im ÖPNV - S-Bahn......................................................................................28
Transparenz leben - Verträge oŪen legen .................................................................28
Klärung vorantreiben - Verantwortung übernehmen ................................................29
Zukün駂iges transparentes Verhalten - Kontrollfunktion ................................................29
Berliner S-Bahn in kommunale Hand .............................................................................29
Gewinn auf Kosten der Fahrgäste und Beschäؠigten - nicht mit uns! ......................30
Verantwortung tragen im Land Berlin ......................................................................30
Ablehnung des weiteren Ausbaus  
der A100 in den Innenstadtbereich ................................................................................30
Lebensqualität statt Transitverkehr durch die Innenstadt ........................................30
Mehr Straßen führen nicht ins Glück .........................................................................30
Bundesmittel für Erhalt und nicht für Neubau nutzen .............................................. 31
Mitbestimmung bei Verkehrsprojekten ..................................................................... 31
BÜRGERRECHTE &  
4
INNENPOLITIK  32
Individuelle KennzeichnungspNicht für Polizei-Beamte ..................................................33
Unabhängige Beschwerdestelle für Polizei-Übergri묘e ...................................................33
Berliner Versammlungsgesetz ....................................................................................... 33
Keine Überwachung und Dokumentation ................................................................. 33
Mehr Freiheiten im Versammlungsrecht ...................................................................34
Wir lehnen Überwachung im ö묘entlichen Raum ab .......................................................34
Überwachung scha駂t keine Sicherheit ...................................................................... 35
Überwachung schränkt die Freiheit ein ..................................................................... 35
Überwachung führt zu gefährlichen Datenbergen .................................................... 35
ASYL- & MIGRATIONSPOLITIK  37
ResidenzpNicht abscha묘en! ...........................................................................................38
Grundrechte auf alle Menschen ausweiten! ...................................................................38
Lebenssituation von Flüchtlingen verbessern ................................................................39
SUCHTPOLITIK  40
Konsumentenjagd beenden,  
konsequente Vorsorgepolitik starten .............................................................................41
Problembewusstsein stärken, riskanten Konsum verhindern .........................................41
Konsumenten schützen, Gesundheitsschäden minimieren ............................................41
Schwerstabhängigen konsequent helfen,  
Begleiterkrankungen verhindern ...................................................................................42
Bestehende Netzwerke nutzen, gemeinsam ZukunŪ gestalten .....................................42
WIRTSCHAFTS- & SOZIALPOLITIK  43
Mindestlohn und Grundeinkommen ..............................................................................44
Für Nachhaltigkeit, Transparenz und Kreativität in der Berliner WirtschaŪ ....................44
Daseinsfürsorge und Sicherung der Infrastruktur ..44
KreativwirtschaŪ braucht Urbanität ..44
Transparenz belebt den Wettbewerb ..45
Keine ZwangsmitgliedschaŪ in der IHK ..45
Kernspaltungsfreie Energie in Berlin ..45
GESCHLECHTER- & FAMILIENPOLITIK  46
Freie Selbstbestimmung von geschlechtlicher und sexueller Identität ...........................47
Freie Selbstbestimmung des Zusammenlebens ..47
Freie Selbstbestimmung und Familienförderung ..47
STAAT & RELIGION  48
KUNST- & KULTURPOLITIK  50

And iTunes is a proprietory evilness.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:03:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Notice the Chinese characters in the table of contents. If that isn't telling about where this party finds its support, i don't know what is.

(PS. Seriously, having followed the development of the Party since i first came across it, they are gradually developing a real program.)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:09:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
  • Ah, so in addition to free downloading, in particular for schools, and free access to public documents, they also want a citywide network of free wireless hotspots.
  • In addition to free public transport, they are among the parties that want to take Berlin's rapid transit network (recently mismanaged by the federal railways) into the city government1s hands.
  • As for other Green themes, protection of green areas, free access to rivershores, no to the highway extension.
  • Also, free midday meal and fruits at schools (I had that when I went to school under 'communism').
  • Security: crowd-management policemen should wear identification, no security cameras in the public space, more rights for protesters, no hunt for drug users.
  • Immigrants: more right for refugees, abolition of residence obligation, basic rights for all people.
  • Economy: minimum wage, living wage. No compulsory chamber of commerce membership. No nukes.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:40:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Gotta love that title.

"Mehr Demokratie wagen" ("Dare more democracy") was the keynote phrase of SPD chancellor (and one-time Berlin mayor) Willi Brandt.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:52:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That wasn't the only case of slogan hijacking in this election: while the SPD used the slogan "Berlin verstehen." ( = "Understanding Berlin."; meant to imply that Wowi is the local kid who knows how the city works), the CDU's car-arson poster campaign used the slogan "Muss das Berlin verstehen?" ( = "Should Berlin have understanding/sympathy for this?"; meant to imply that left-wing parties pussyfoot around criminals trying to understand their motives).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 04:13:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
As IM said, transparency (with the example of no tweeting allowed for observers of city parliament sessions at present). Also, they want free public transport.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:18:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I forgot to say: Horray, horray for the Pirates today!

This is big for the Pirate movement, apart from the one MEP from Sweden in 2009 (going to be two if the parliament size is ever adopted to the Lisbon treaty) I think these are the first seats above local or regional level.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:12:01 PM EST
Hm? This is local/regional level. But, Berlin being a city of 3.5 million, it is significant.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:23:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It is also a state.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:35:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Which - should I add - makes a big difference for the media. Like this:

Pirate party snatches seats in Berlin state election | World news | The Guardian

An upstart band of internet freedom activists are to enter Berlin's state parliament, ousting the Free Democrats, Angela Merkel's junior partner in the unpopular national government. It marks a remarkable success for the small Pirate party, which attracted 8.5% of the vote, winning its first ever seats in a state parliament, according to the first exit polls on Sunday.


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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:42:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Hence "regional".

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:43:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't know if there is a common terminology but as far as the media is concerned a German state is an election almost on the same level as a Lithuanian parliament, while the election to a french region isn't. Federalism matters apparently.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:56:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
From what I know, "regional election" is commonly used English terminology for elections in German states. This may originate from a distinction between the precise legal definition of a German Land (which, to make matters even more confusing, literally means "country" and is the same word used for foreign countries) and an American (or Brazilian) "state"; I don't know. Maybe dvx can complement/correct/reinforce me.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 04:19:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Wikipedia for its part uses "state election", though.

At any rate, there is no election level between local and state/regional in Germany (though there are administrative territorial units in-between).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 04:21:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, I thought there was. In particular I thought some of these levels were above the others, but are

  • Gemeinderäte / Samtgemeinderäte (SGR)
  • Kreistage
  • Ortsräte / Stadtbezirksräte
  • Stadtparlamente / Stadträte

all on the same level?

Found from the Piratenpartei wiki and last weeks elections in Niedersachsen.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 05:02:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
All of these are elected in local elections, along with mayoral elections. The first is for non-city municipalities, the second for counties; the last for cities, the before-last for districts of bigger cities. I must admit though that I wasn't aware of the election of county assemblies; checking, it is the weakest level, though: assembly members aren't counted as parliamentarians but as executive, don't have immunity, and their major job seems to be managing bureaucracy.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 06:09:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I see. Sweden has a weak county (landsting/region) level too so for me that is a normal middle-level.

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 05:20:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
From the lack of discussion, I assume the BIG party got nowhere. But does anyone know how well they did among voters of Turkish origin? I first learnt about them from an attack in an Israeli paper, which I ignored, as you don't expect such a paper to have anything positive to say about Muslims. But then I saw an attack in the WSWS that compares the views of the BIG Party to the right wing of the CDU, so maybe they do have a point.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:43:49 PM EST
I'll include them when I post the final preliminary result.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:48:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
0,8%. But this information is from dubious sources.
by IM on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:49:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
And according to the same source the satirical party DIE PARTEI got the same 0.8%.
by IM on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 03:52:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
... in Berlin - an overall a good result.

As far as I'm aware the Piraten were the only party apart from die Linke that espoused a minimum wage ("a bridging technology" - as one of their generally well designed posters put it).

The Berliner Piraten could be the start of a bigger things in the national elections if they start to fill in the social and environmental spaces in their platform.

Oh and as far as I'm aware the biggest political unit that continues to be headed by an openly gay representative - Wowereit.  Or is that Iceland?

by Pope Epopt on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 05:31:48 PM EST
Perhaps I should make clear that the NDP are the explicitly racist / right-populist party and the FDP are very confused explicitly neo-liberal die-hards, who have been now been voted out of 5 out of 7 Länder in recent elections.  The FDP are junior members of Merkel's government for the time being.
by Pope Epopt on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 05:34:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
POSITIONSPAPIER - ZUKUNFTSFÄHIGE SOZIALPOLITIK DURCH EIN BEDINGUNGSLOSES GRUNDEINKOMMEN

Sustainable social policy through (by) unconditional basic income.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 05:44:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I get the feeling that they don't quite realise how radical this demand is.  But more power to them (literally) if they are willing to push it through.
by Pope Epopt on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 05:53:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Nearly 4 years ago I wrote: Socratic Economics VII: Guaranteed Living Income. Maybe this would be as good an excuse as any to revisit the topic.

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 04:31:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
As far as I'm aware the Piraten were the only party apart from die Linke that espoused a minimum wage

The Greens were for it, too. As for the SPD, Wowi was tricky: he supports the federal minimum wage, but rejected the Left Party's plan for what he pretended to be technical reasons (lack of a financing plan).

Or is that Iceland?

Iceland's population is only 320,000: less than a tenth of Berlin's.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Sep 18th, 2011 at 06:18:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
How appropriate! September 19 is International Talk-Like-a-Pirate Day...

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 10:49:26 AM EST
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The dog that didn't bark: While where was much speculation about Wowereit qualifying himself for higher office with a good election result, nobody mentioned his sexual orientation.

A sign of the times.  

Iceland doesn't have the population of Berlin. Didn't Paris had or still have a gay mayor?

by IM on Thu Sep 22nd, 2011 at 03:17:17 PM EST
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While the Paris metropolitan area is much bigger than Berlin's (11 million vs. 4.4 million), the city proper, the administrative unit that is led by the mayor, is smaller (2.2 million vs. 3.5 million).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Sep 24th, 2011 at 03:20:13 AM EST
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Headline in the Irish Times
Berlin pirates force FDP to walk the plank
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 03:25:14 AM EST
The usual standard of Irish Times analysis.

I saw an estimate that perhaps a 5th of the defecting FDP went to die Piraten, most going to the CDU.

Piraten votes seem to be largely young first-timers, disaffected Greens, libertarian left and Foreigners in the local district elections.

by Pope Epopt on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 03:55:37 AM EST
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This is Scottish, not Irish, pirate metal, but it fits the bill:



Economics is politics by other means

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 04:08:43 AM EST
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From the SZ today: Merkel promises to take the internet more seriously
Und was ist mit dem Erfolg der Piratenpartei? Den sieht Kanzlerin Merkel als Anlass, dass sich auch ihre Partei verstärkt mit diesem Internet auseinandersetzen solle.
Fall of the FDP is a minor victory for non-smokers
Es riecht noch nach dem Zigarettenqualm von der Wahlparty am Sonntagabend. Die FDP gehört wohl zu den letzten Parteien, die das Rauchen in ihrer Parteizentrale unterstützt.
Pirates respond to the lack of women in their party
Das Thema Frauen ist ihnen ein bisschen unangenehm. Unter den 15 neuen Abgeordneten ist nur eine Frau. Der erste Pirat setzt zu einer Erklärung an. Die Partei sei ja eine offene Partei, die "alle" einlädt. Ein anderer fällt ihm ins Wort, dass er noch sagen soll, das sich Frauen auch an der Programmarbeit beteiligen. Dann übernimmt Spitzenkandidat Baum und erklärt, dass es ja auch eine Schatzmeisterin gebe, die "total fleißig" sei. Aber so mit Quote, nee, das sei nichts für Piraten, weil dann vielleicht ein Thema nicht bearbeitet wird, nur weil da keine Frau für gefunden wird. Na, dann bleiben die Piraten-Männer wohl doch eher unter sich.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 07:39:02 AM EST
So Merkel says the success of the Pirates should be an opportunity to pay more attention to the internet... but it's not that the CDU didn't care about the internet, it's that they cared in law-and-order and copyright terms.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 03:31:17 PM EST
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About 10 years ago, the FDP had a "Projekt 18" which aimed at getting 18% of the vote:

Some people are suggesting that they could save money at the next election by digging up the old poster and adding a comma between the "1" and the "8".....

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 08:15:42 AM EST
If they continue like this, the comma will be before the 1 in the next election.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Sep 19th, 2011 at 03:32:07 PM EST
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Hence Projekt 1,8 ~ your reach should exceed your grasp.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Sep 20th, 2011 at 10:39:19 AM EST
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Today's SZ
Bislang ging man davon aus, dass SPD und Grüne zwei Sitze mehr haben als die Opposition. Dieser knappe Vorsprung drohte am Dienstag weiter zu schrumpfen. Wie sich herausstellte, wurden im Berliner Bezirk Lichtenberg Stimmen falsch ausgezählt. Ein Direktmandat, das die SPD sicher erlangt zu haben glaubte, musste nachträglich der Linken zuerkannt werden.
A counting error in Lichtenberg may result in the SPD losing one direct mandate, and the Left gaining one.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Sep 20th, 2011 at 02:48:45 PM EST
Didn't change the majority. The parliament did shrink and SPD and greens still have one vote more then needed.
by IM on Thu Sep 22nd, 2011 at 03:19:28 PM EST
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