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by dvx Wed Mar 7th, 2012 at 11:23:27 AM EST
The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
And is it me, or does Greg lake look like Jodie Foster in that picture ? keep to the Fen Causeway
She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
(IMHO) She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
What the hell is it with musicians and drugs? She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
If you spend your working life waiting around in venues with bars, or in strange towns with nothing to do before or after the gig, drinking kills time. The real 'pushers' are the people who buy drinks so they can talk to known musicians.
I've worked with maybe 20 - 30 musicians (younger than I) who are no longer with us, or hit rock bottom - and it was/is booze in almost every case. (Over a period of 40 years). You can't be me, I'm taken
-- Sleepy John Estes "Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
Lluvia de alcohol moja mi cabeza al salir de la habitación del hotel donde nos lo hicimos la noche que te conoci No necesito más de ti Ya no me puedes engañar He cambiado tu colchón Por una botella de champagne. Litros de alcohol corren por mis venas, mujer. No tengo problemas de amor. Lo que me pasa es que es que estoy loco por privar --- Ramoncín
No necesito más de ti Ya no me puedes engañar He cambiado tu colchón Por una botella de champagne.
Litros de alcohol corren por mis venas, mujer. No tengo problemas de amor. Lo que me pasa es que es que estoy loco por privar
--- Ramoncín
En la lluvia pondré mi corazón de R'N'R y cuando me llene el cuerpo de anfetas y de alcohol querré alguien a mi lado que me recoja al caer así nena tendré suerte de llegarte a conocer. Uhu, uhu, uhu, nena, voy a ser una "r'n'r star" uhu, uhu, uhu, nena, voy a ser --- Loquillo
--- Loquillo
(And I'm not a big fan of the piano.) She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
a lot of French firms got very rich building these
in fact, during the war, a lot of French firms got very rich providing all types of services to the Germans, in France and in Germany
in 1940, the number of unemployed people in France was over a million in 1944, the number or unemployed people in France was 10,000
the Atlantic wall cost as much as having 15 million soldiers but held only for 4 hours. there are over 15k blokhauses built and still in existence
but then, it took 15 years after the war for people to start even counting how many lives the Holocaust has claimed.
the process of revelation of what actually occurred during this period in France has been drawn out and very, very delayed.
Quite true. I have actually followed it fairly closely, starting with the book that was the first main shocker, "Vichy France, Old Guard and New Order, 1940-1944" (La France de Vichy) by US historian Robert O Paxton in 1972. There were comfortable myths about Pétain doing his best under German constraint and a France that was all Résistance, that had to be dispelled.
As for industrial production, the Nazis harnessed all France's productive capacity, which had to be devoted to the occupying power according to the terms of the armistice. All the labour was necessarily French (or prisoner), German soldiers were there to occupy. There were willing collaborationists who made money out of the process, but what did not come willingly was requisitioned. The position of company owners was often that, to safeguard the capital and know-how of their firms, it was better to reach agreement with the Germans than suffer punitive requisition - though obviously that position could be camouflage for ideological agreement with the Nazis or naked greed or both.
The Atlantic Wall was a case in point, in that a number of French public works companies willingly contracted with the Todt Organisation to work with German firms on its construction. (One boss, Jean Gosselin, was sentenced after the war to two years prison and the confiscation of all he possessed, another, Pierre Brice was involved in a long-drawn-out postwar case in which he finally got off with a fine; most companies were simply ordered to pay taxes on their wartime profits).
As for labour, attractive wages and benefits were offered for highly-skilled workers, but the mass of ordinary labourers were forced (POWs, Jews, Spanish Republicans), or quasi-forced (young Frenchmen who would otherwise be sent to Germany on the STO scheme). Like all major industrial and military projects of the Nazis, the Atlantic Wall called on a substantial injection of forced, prisoner, or concentration-camp slave-type labour.
There are so many retired army folks here in Colorado Springs that you trip over them when walking down the sidewalk. They're easily identified by caps that show the regiment or ship or Air Force unit in which they served--mostly in the 50s and 60s when nothing was going on. They spend their time watching the History Channel ("How the U.S. of A. Saved The World from Socialism, Communism, and Fascism") and writing letters to the newspaper about the recent total degeneration of society.
Still, the Atlantic wall could never hold while the army which could have supported it was destroyed on the Eastern Front keep to the Fen Causeway
I don't think that's really CT territory, it's fairly well documented.
the wall was financed by all French as France had to pay for its own occupation
I was also bemused to watch a newsreel during the documentary made by the collaborationist French government about unified (i.e. occupied) Europe being threatened by England and the USA, so not much has really changed in that sense
Of course there were collabos, and willing industrialists among them. There were black marketeers too. Some people made money, for sure (though they didn't all end up well with it, like Louis Renault who died in 1944 accused of collaboration with the enemy, and his business was nationalised). But it's a totally biased picture to ignore Nazi requisitioning of all French production, industrial or agricultural. And completely grotesque to suggest that the French were all making out like bandits, thank you, Adolf.
a lot of them actually. it was when the German firms in Germany started lacking manpower that the forced labour began. and the unemployment numbers were given in the documentary. I did not invent them.
salaries were quite good for labourers working for the Germans
however, the rations for people not doing manual labour were quite below recommended for maintaining your weight.
some French were doing quite well from the occupation.
You are contradicting what in my comments?
stevesim:
my uncle died in the Maquis
I'm sorry to hear that, though it must make you proud.
I did not invent them.
I didn't suggest you invented them, though I'd like to know what the documentarists based their numbers on.
what galls me about all of this is that women's heads were shaved and the women ostracized when the hands holding the shears were probably making money from serving the Nazis in one way or another.
who cares who did the shaving
You, apparently:
the hands holding the shears were probably making money from serving the Nazis in one way or another
But, unfortunately, as France was hopelessly split between the right and left political extremes before the war, this was not the finest hour for many who found the Occupation an economic opportunity.
Gamelin was old, his knowledge of 1939 era military technology was lacking, his knowledge of 1939 era military tactics was non-existent, his great idea, Dyle-Breda plan, was from Cloud-Cuckoo Land.
The Allies Command and Control systems were inadequate from the top, Gamelin didn't even have a radio at his GHQ, to the bottom, French tanks weren't equipped with radios either. The high command was completely snarled. The corp and division officers thought they were fighting World War One, and deployed accordingly. Huntziger, in command of the French Second Army and tasked with the defense of Seden, shouldn't have been in command of a platoon of Boy Scouts.
Only 42 bunkers protected the Sedan bridgeheads on the outbreak of war in September 1939 and an additional 61 were built by 10 May. However, by the 10 May, most of the bunkers were incomplete, lacking gun port shutters for the artillery casemates. Some of the bunkers lacked rear doors, making them vulnerable to infiltration by infantry. To the north of Sedan, on the northern bend of the Meuse, the town of Glaire overlooked the crossing points on the river, which was to be where the German armour would deliver its heaviest blow. There was a gap of 2 kilometres (1.2 mi) between Bunker 305 at Glaire and Bunker 211 next to the Pont Neuf bridge. This allowed an attacker coming from the north to use the good road routes through the Fleigneux-Saint Menges-Glaire axis to enter Sedan from the north. The defences at Sedan also lacked any mines. The French Second Army was guarding a front of 70 kilometres (43 mi), and was given only 16,000 mines. Of that number 7,000 were given to the cavalry divisions that were to delay a German advance through southern Belgium as well as blockhouse points along the Franco-Belgian border. That left 2,000 for the defence of the river Meuse. Of those, the 55th Infantry Division got 422. Not all of these were laid, and some barriers were moved during the bunker construction in the Sedan sector.
The defences at Sedan also lacked any mines. The French Second Army was guarding a front of 70 kilometres (43 mi), and was given only 16,000 mines. Of that number 7,000 were given to the cavalry divisions that were to delay a German advance through southern Belgium as well as blockhouse points along the Franco-Belgian border. That left 2,000 for the defence of the river Meuse. Of those, the 55th Infantry Division got 422. Not all of these were laid, and some barriers were moved during the bunker construction in the Sedan sector.
If Huntziger was incompetent, General Lafontaine, commander of the 55th Infantry Division, was criminally negligent.
The organisation of the French 55th Infantry Division was chaotic. Most units had been involved in construction work and were constantly moved to different tactical positions. Of the nine companies in position by 10 May, only a few had been holding their respective positions for even a few days and were not familiar with them. One of the premier infantry regiments, the 213th Infantry Regiment, was removed from the line altogether and was replaced with the 331st Regiment. In some cases Infantry regiments were made up of several different companies from several different battalions from different regiments. For example, the 295th Infantry Regiment's 6th Company, 2nd battalion, was made up of four different companies which were drawn from three different battalions belonging to three different regiments.
Against these completely inadequate defensive positions, manned by two untrained, ill-equipped, disorganized Class B infantry divisions the Germans threw three crack Panzer divisions as part of a total force of 60,000 men, 22,000 vehicles, 771 tanks, 141 artillery pieces and 1,470 aircraft.
German military doctrine was based on Fire and Movement. French military doctrine at Seden was, essentially, Sit There and Get Shot.
Even so the forward units of the 55th gave a damn good account of themselves, even the Germans noted it at the time, until Idiot (Lafontaine) told his artillery to halt their interdiction fire "to save ammunition to repeal the assault" allowing the German assault units to assemble and cross the river. The 55th continued to fight until they basically fell-over exhausted, out of ammunition, out of supplies, no air cover, and without artillery support -- those units heroically ran away during the night.
The German bridgeheads at Sedan could, and should, have been counter-attacked on May 14 and May 15. With the Germans having one foot on one side and one foot on the other their force was divided, inviting defeat in detail. No combined arms attack was ever made at Sedan (command failure) and most of the mobile forces needed instead of where they were needed (command failure.)
The main and proximate cause of the French defeat in 1940 was their High Command. Sloughing the blame off on the "poor fighting ability" of the front-line soldier is what generals and politicians do to "save their reputation." She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Would have barely counted as a day of ordinary attrition, nevermind serious fighting, on the Eastern Front.
- Jake Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
D-Day was almost lost at Omaha. keep to the Fen Causeway
No money changes hands of course, but favours are returned.
The Royals are themselves one of the most stunning examples of product placement ever. You can't be me, I'm taken
...and sometimes on YouTube among the dross you get the odd intimate gem of a comment, in this case from the video producer himself, Peter Nowlan.
i produced this video, christopher robin collins directed, knocker knowles managed it for magnet records, we shot in a field in provence near jacques loussier's studio, where chris and his band were recording road to hell. i've always loved it, amazing to find it on here, no-one sings or plays like chris rea. rock on chris, and knocker ... still together after all these years. peter x
i've always loved it, amazing to find it on here, no-one sings or plays like chris rea. rock on chris, and knocker ... still together after all these years. peter x
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