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by afew Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 12:07:44 PM EST

I name this ship the SS Open Thread


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Not breaking any champagne though, we can keep that for later.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 12:08:26 PM EST
Back into planning mode for my trip. One thing I'm having problems with is finding decent information about where the diesel engine free green zone boundaries are around cities.

Anyone know a good source, preferably in english for a non-german speaker

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 12:32:33 PM EST
Okay, for starters, try this:

which suggests that rental cars usually have the green zone sticker on the cars already.

Hope this helps.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher

by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 02:22:17 PM EST
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There's also a link on the site to a list of cities that have the zones, and maps for the zones.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 02:23:56 PM EST
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the link takes me to one of the vague maps I've already seen. A shape with a green blob in it isn't very informative if it doesn't show the roads I can and cannot use.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 03:17:11 PM EST
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Which is to say, it's not your fault, but you'd think that the ptb, dealing with an issue like this, might realise that a local map of where you can or cannot go might be useful to visitors

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 03:45:55 PM EST
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Go to umwelt-plakette.de and search for the  page for umwelt zones for each city you will be visiting, for example umwelt zone Muenchen.  Although the site has many pages in other languages,  I only found the maps on German pages.

The page will have a paragraph that reads "Umweltzone Karte für Stadt München finden Sie hier" and it will link to the city map of the green zones in Munich, for example.

I would give you the link but I don't know how to do a copy and paste on this stupid Ipad

by stevesim on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 05:26:43 PM EST
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thanks, I'll check it out later

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 02:11:23 AM EST
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ha. As it happens I drove into the green zone in Munich on Sunday, with my unlabelled French diesel van. Knowingly. It was 6.30 am, and I was taking my daughter to the 6.50 train for Hamburg and points north.

I thought I could take the risk. The S-bahn was switched off for the weekend for maintenance, and the replacement buses looked a bit dicey for the circumstances.

The Munich map shows that the restricted zone is defined by the "Mittler Ring" (middle ring road), which is precise enough for hotel purposes. Beware though, the Mittler Ring itself is undergoing heavy roadworks at the moment.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 03:47:52 AM EST
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Ah, okay, that's cool. Well, if I want to I'll stay outside there, but Mr & Mrs Bath are just down the road and the temptation to just stay in Andechs outside the city and get wazzo at the monastery may be overwhelming, if unadvised.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 06:08:24 AM EST
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I can be your designated driver to Andechs, anyway, so I could just drive you back here afterwards.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 06:43:17 AM EST
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Well, I'll probably come straight to yours when I leave Bamberg

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 12:35:18 PM EST
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except of course, I'm not renting a car, I'm using my own english registered car. I'm told I should be able to get one at a service station as I cross the border.

That is less of a problem than the fact that it's a diesel and so gets a yellow sticker, not a green one, which means no access into cities where there's a green zone. So, in order to choose a hotel in, say Cologne or Berlin, I need to know where the border is so's I don't choose a hotel on the wrong side.

and the border as shown on maps I've found so far is a bit bloody vague, to say the least


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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 03:14:02 PM EST
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If you choose a hotel in Berlin, you need to park the car in the suburbs and take the S-Bahn into the city proper, whether you are technically permitted to drive in the city or not.

Because even if you can get around in Berlin with a car (and you can't), you won't find anywhere to park it.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 04:46:40 AM EST
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Well, to be honest the U- and S-bahn seem pretty wide ranging so I as just going to save myself the inconvenience by taking a hotel out in the suburbs and accepting a 20 minute train ride. Probably cheaper anyway.

Plus, navigating a foreign city, surrounded by people who know where they're going while I'm reading a map to find a hotel, isn't my favourite sport.

autobahn - junction - major road - hotel - sorted

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 06:03:25 AM EST
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And if you plan to come to Hamburg, let me know.
by Katrin on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 07:31:16 AM EST
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I remember she might be coming to Bremen around the 3rd, so we could have a mini-meet. In any case i must fly from Hamburg on monday 6 to Prague and farther for a few days, be back through Hamburg either Wed or Thurs.

(Bremen's wonderfully easy airport is closed for the week, she's getting a new runway where the old one is today, and they decided the best way was to simply close it down and get it done.)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 08:02:06 AM EST
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I didn't even know that Bremen has an airport. ;-) It would be nice to meet, and I have time on the 3rd. Not on the 6th though.
by Katrin on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 12:37:07 PM EST
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One of the few times I flew with Ryan was Bergamo-Bremen for 5 Euros (plus the usual surcharges).
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 01:29:46 PM EST
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Bremen has an airpott. One which Hamburgers would love, if they weren't so fixated on standing in line, assuming they even get to the airport in time, while building top-heavy concert halls and needing GPS to get to Worpswede.

Although a taxi from REpower or Nordex HQ is more than the cost of Ryanair Bergamo-Bremen flights. And they're close to the airport.

Jeez, Bremen even has electricity. and we can beat St. Pauli.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 06:11:40 PM EST
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continued on Tuesday's OT

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 12:52:58 PM EST
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I was thinking of visiting the model railway {embarrassed} in Hamburg and if CH is away till the middle of next week that may be a good meetup

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 12:52:32 PM EST
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Guardian - Gary Younge - The world as seen by Republicans, in a land of myth and amnesia

But race is not all these attacks are about. For the continent they're most likely to tar Obama with is not Africa but Europe - ostensibly a region of economically failed states pampered by overly generous welfare that also happen to be allies. "This president takes his inspiration from the capitals of Europe," said Romney. "We look to the cities and small towns of America." It's with this mindset that Romney undertook his disastrous trip to Britain, described in his book as a small island that "with few exceptions doesn't make things that people in the rest of the world want to buy". It's for this reason that accusations of outsourcing at Bain Capital, where he was once CEO, and ads about his offshore bank accounts have made him vulnerable.

For the party most likely to champion patriotism and leverage parochialism is also the party most likely to be bankrolled by multinationals and champion free trade. A significant portion of the Republican base - white working-class men - have seen their livelihoods threatened by the very neoliberal globalisation that their party seeks to extend. Profit has no intrinsic interest in patriotism, and capital, increasingly, is unfettered by the nation state. The capitalism they vote for and the capitalism they actually experience couldn't be more different.

But in the absence of any real opposition to that trend - Democrats support it too - many Republicans reach for the comfort blankets of hyper patriotism and xenophobia and the more accessible targets of immigrants, foreigners and Muslims. Open borders for capital and closed minds for culture; classically liberal economics and classically illiberal politics.



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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 12:42:08 PM EST
Guardian - David Wearing - Economic policy in the hands of the few serves those few - just ask Adam Smith

Free market economics has taken such a battering of late that one might almost begin to feel sorry for it. In 2008, a cataclysmic meltdown in the barely regulated financial industry plunged the world into an economic crisis from which it has yet to emerge. For Nobel laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz, "market fundamentalism" was as discredited by this experience as communism was by the fall of the Berlin Wall. Recent scandals at Barclays and HSBC have merely served to underline the point.

Meanwhile the Conservative party, which derives half its funding from big finance, has set about making the public pay for the bankers' crisis, with disastrous results. "Market fundamentalism" told George Osborne that, as the dead weight of the public sector was cut away, the thrusting dynamism of private enterprise, hitherto crowded out by the state, would be unleashed to create jobs and propel growth. Instead, austerity destroyed demand, wiped out the recovery and plunged Britain into a new recession. "Expansionary fiscal contraction" proved to be exactly as oxymoronic as it sounds, breaking the reputation of the chancellor barely two years after he entered Downing Street.

So all in all, there's never been a better time to quote Adam Smith, especially if you're a socialist. Counterintuitive perhaps, but true nonetheless.



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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 12:54:24 PM EST
In Assisi:

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 02:13:29 PM EST
Who are Patti Smith?

(Yeah, I could have Googled the info.  Wanted to give everyone an opportunity to sneer at my lack of knowledge of Pop Culture.)

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 03:52:11 PM EST
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Or you could have followed the link I gave, where you would have found a link that leads eventually to the fact that she was in Godard's latest Film Socialisme, about the Costa Concordia heading for disaster.  
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 04:22:23 PM EST
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But.. but.. it's in foreign ;-))

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 04:37:11 PM EST
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I would've thought Giotto was difficult to restore after Halley nearly smashed it up in 86

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 04:35:44 PM EST
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Yesterday was the last day of a three-day festival in my city. It was also the day for which the weather service predicted an early evening storm for days.

Yet, by the time it was thundering all around and there was lighting 2-3 times a second, the music of a concert on the shore of the Danube could still be heard. Looking out five minutes after the downpour started, the crowds fleeing the shore could be seen, and car drivers wanting to leave at the same time, too, all in one chaotic mass. Another five minutes later, I saw that there is a traffic jam on the main road – and an ambulance car trying to find its way ahead... later there was a diversion into side streets. Walking to the station the next morning, there were broken branches everywhere. Later I read that at the shore, the chaos was even greater as people were left on the merry-go-round(!) and tents collapsed on them; but fortunately there were only under a dozen hurt (one serious).

The mayor (the spider in a local web of interests and a silly right-winger) claims that the arrival of the storm wasn't certain in forecasts and that he ordered everyone to close shop ten minutes before the storm hit but some didn't follow. Well, for a forecast he could have looked up on the sky, and ten minutes aren't enough even for evacuation.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 02:48:31 PM EST
Here is a media photo at a familiar place:

The same place on one of my seasons series photos:



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 05:31:56 PM EST
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wow, that's quite different. Although the trees were obviously chopped back a year or so ago so I guess this stopped the carnage being worse

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 02:10:31 AM EST
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I got that storm, or a close relation, in Bavaria as it was heading east, about midday. You're bowling along at 150 km/h and suddenly the air is water and everyone slows to 40. Most entertaining. And the only real rain we got all week.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 03:54:02 AM EST
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So I got in with some friends of a friend in Vancouver, and I'm going to be going to this four day techno festival thing with them in a week in southeastern British Columbia. I have to pop up to Edmonton to pick up the ticket and between then and the festival I think I'm going to go hike around Banff.

I've been on the road for two weeks and I'm just starting to feel it.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Jul 30th, 2012 at 07:47:43 PM EST
Millman, i'll send you contacts in Vancouver and on the island.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 31st, 2012 at 04:14:58 AM EST
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