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12 September 2013

by dvx Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:27:08 PM EST

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The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:28:40 PM EST
Hundreds of thousands of Catalonians join hands for independence | News | DW.DE | 11.09.2013

People clad in yellow t-shirts joined hands across highways and towns on Wednesday in the northeastern region of Spain. Many independence supporters were draped in blue, red and yellow separatist flags.

The demonstration was held on Catalonia's public holiday in an effort to stir up support for independence.

Organizers say around 1 million people turned out, while the Catalan government said it would publish official attendance figures later.

Tough economic times

"Today is a historic day," said Carme Forcadell, president of the Catalan National Assembly - the group that organized the event. "The Catalan people have reaffirmed their determination to be a free state."



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:40:36 PM EST
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If the Basques can't get it after half a century (at least) of asking, then what hope does Catalonia stand ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:24:01 AM EST
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What is the point of tiny, independent states that are not even close to self-sufficient? (Or, in this case, that may be self-sufficient but then leave the rest of the country behind economically.)

We have the same problem here in the U.S., with local small regions wanting to secede from the state (or the whole country, in some cases), but I have never been able to understand what they are thinking. When the next fun war comes along, or financial collapse, or other boundary-ignoring external event, then the small regions are going to be in trouble...

Here's Weldistan, a proposal by a handful of Colorado countries--counties filled with farms irrigated with Colorado River water, oil and gas wells, and cattle slaughterhouses--to secede from the state. The proposal is going nowhere, but it provides fodder for the newspapers, the talk radio hosts, and the term-limited local politicians.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/20/vote-set-for-proposed-new-state-in-northern-colorado/

by asdf on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 12:06:53 PM EST
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It makes sense to me in the context of a strong (and strengthening) European union. Insofar as the nation state itself loses significance, then notional sovereignty might as well be vested in the entity that people identify most strongly with.

However, strengthening of the EU is certainly not the tendency of these past few years. So yeah, insanity.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 12:15:55 PM EST
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Catalonia would in European terms be a rather average country. With a population of 7,5 million (wikipedia) it would be placed right in the middle if listing EU nations by population. I don't see why it would not be viable.

In general, I would say that the reinforced wish to secede stems from the current state of affairs fail to provide.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 01:52:07 PM EST
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Well, one obvious rejoinder would be that there are too many tiny little pointless countries out there left over from the past, and that those should be incorporated into the countries that provide, for example, their military defense.

The question is, at what level does the fragmentation stop? Scotland appears likely to exit from the UK. Wales will probably be next, and then maybe Cornwall. Maybe the Isle of Wight would get out ahead of them, or possibly the Isle of Man or the channel islands. Obviously Italy is pretty fragmented already, so it deserves at least three and possibly four countries, as is Germany where you could come up with probably five regional areas that would be as self-sufficient as Catalonia. France is pretty centralized, but Brittany might want to join up with Cornwall and Wales in a special--and separate--trade and cultural zone. Belgium, duh. Even Denmark has a huge problem with Greenland on its hands...

by asdf on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 02:00:19 PM EST
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by asdf on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 02:04:02 PM EST
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There is a history here going back to Carolingian times. In 1150 The Kingdom of Aragon entered into a dynastic union with the Count of Barcelona and the Crown of Aragon had quite extensive holdings including Valencia, Majorca, Naples, Sicily and Athens. The language and culture was Catalan, easily as distinct from Castilian as is Portuguese and was probably closest to Occitan. Dynastic marriage brough Aragon into what became modern Spain, but the Castilian component came to dominate and well before union a definite sense of Catalan identity developed. This has remained.

The Spanish Civil War was largely a war between the Castilian royalist identity of the Franco regime and the Catalan identity of the Republicans. After Franco won the Catalan language and culture was repressed until Franco's death, and a sense of discrimination still remains in much of the old area of Catalonia. You may well find the political attitudes and social mores of Catalonia more congenial than those of the more conservative majoritarian Castilians.  

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:23:53 PM EST
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The Spanish Civil War was largely a war between the Castilian royalist identity of the Franco regime and the Catalan identity of the Republicans.

Whoa. Shitstorm in perspective here. (sorry, no time to take up the cudgels)

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Sep 13th, 2013 at 05:26:50 AM EST
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There is too much FAIL in that little paragraph to trigger a shitstorm.

Finance is the brain [tumour] of the economy
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 13th, 2013 at 05:29:16 AM EST
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Spanish history is not an area of strength for me. I guess I should have followed my urge to delete the second paragraph.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Sep 13th, 2013 at 11:10:45 AM EST
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Well in any case, if every little neighborhood with a history of persecution is allowed to set up as a separate country, then the whole system will collapse. Well, or maybe it wouldn't collapse, but it would be a lot different.

For example, suppose you wanted to allow lots of tiny states, maybe with a minimum allowed population of 35,000--to allow Monaco in. The total population of the EU is 500,000,000, so that would give you 14,000 countries if they were all the size of Monaco. Assuming some degree of sanity in this insane scenario, maybe there would be a few thousand countries. Say 1000, maybe. Can one imagine how to run the government for a federation or confederation of 1000 countries? It would be a new concept, I think.

by asdf on Fri Sep 13th, 2013 at 11:26:23 AM EST
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The British Parliament apparently has 1410 seats, so each of these little countries could have one representative...
by asdf on Fri Sep 13th, 2013 at 11:32:57 AM EST
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So much for the world's oldest republic - San Marino with around 31,000. On the other hand, the Vatican (836, according to Google) would be no big loss.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Sep 13th, 2013 at 11:42:18 AM EST
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Hmm I thought Monaco was smaller. Whatever...
by asdf on Fri Sep 13th, 2013 at 11:58:29 AM EST
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Maybe it's the difference between real residents and residents for tax purposes?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Sep 13th, 2013 at 12:00:26 PM EST
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As an American not engaged in tax evasion and with a limited understanding of Europe, I'm not sure which country has more phantom citizens...
by asdf on Fri Sep 13th, 2013 at 12:14:03 PM EST
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Do we need a diary on this?

Finance is the brain [tumour] of the economy
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 13th, 2013 at 05:30:34 AM EST
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Yes please!

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Sep 13th, 2013 at 05:42:23 AM EST
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Hillsborough witness statements may have been altered by police - inquiry | Football | theguardian.com

Witness statements from fans who saw the Hillsborough disaster unfold may have been altered by officers from West Midlands police, according to investigators carrying out the biggest police corruption inquiry ever mounted in England and Wales.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission said its inquiry into the aftermath of the stadium tragedy, which killed 96 Liverpool fans, has also uncovered new evidence, with the discovery of 90 pocket books written by South Yorkshire officers on duty at the time and never before located.

More than 100 investigators and staff are involved in the IPCC inquiry into the alleged black propaganda campaign mounted by South Yorkshire police following the disaster in April 1989. A separate criminal investigation into all agencies involved, led by former Durham chief constable Jon Stoddart, is being run alongside the police watchdog's work.

Speaking on the first anniversary of the highly critical Hillsborough panel report - which led to the setting-up of the dual criminal investigations - Deborah Glass, deputy chair of the IPCC, revealed that the watchdog had uncovered 74 more police statements that appeared to have been altered. The panel reported last year that 164 police statements had been amended; of those, 116 were either removed or changed to alter negative comments about the police operation at the FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:40:46 PM EST
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Note that West Midlands police, cited here for allegedly modifying evidence, were in charge of an investigation into the handling of the Hillsborough disaster by South Yorkshire police.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 01:55:47 AM EST
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Who Could Have Predicted?

By the time we establish a reasonable version of the truth which accords with most of the known facts, all of the guilty will have been long dead. Justice delayed is justice denied.

So far, the Leeds MP who lied to the press on behalf of the press has lost neither his pension nor his knighthood.

The Chief constable of W Yorkshire at the time has lost neither his pension nor his knighthood.

The officer in charge at the ground, who rose to become Chief constable of W Yorkshire has lost neither his pension nor his knighthood.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:27:51 AM EST
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First of Syrian quota refugees reach Germany | News | DW.DE | 11.09.2013

German Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich (pictured fourth from left) welcomed 107 Syrians, half of them children, on the tarmac of Hanover's airport on Wednesday. Germany's 16 regional states agreed last March to host 5,000 civil-war refugees for two years.

Those arriving will spend two weeks at a pair of reception hostels in northern Germany before being allocated to the regional states. The most populous, North Rhine-Westphalia, is to accept 1,060, and the smallest, Bremen, some 50.

Around 300 have already made it to Germany by their own means. The quota of 5,000 granted entry visas were picked from among Syrians registered months ago with UN and charitable agencies in Lebanon.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:40:57 PM EST
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BBC News - Muslim girl must go to swimming lessons - German court

A court in Germany has ruled that a Muslim schoolgirl should take part in mixed-sex swimming lessons.

Her parents had insisted that the girl, 13, not take part in swimming lessons at her school in Frankfurt.

Some Muslim parents say that such lessons run contrary to Islamic principles of modesty.

However, the judge in the case said the girl could wear an all-over swimming garment sometimes dubbed a "burkini" in order to accommodate her beliefs.

Some Muslim girls already wear the garment to take part in lessons.

However, others reject that solution, saying that the garment is clumsy but also that it is unacceptable for Muslim girls to be in close proximity to boys clad only in swimming trunks, the BBC's Stephen Evans reports from Berlin.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:42:11 PM EST
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If the parents don't agree with the rules, they could send her to a private school.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 04:31:10 AM EST
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That would have to be a private girls' school with an own swimming pool then, because there are males in public pools. Very expensive, and not available in every region. Your proposal makes religious freedom dependent on financial means.

No, the court had to decide on two conflicting rights: freedom of religion versus the right to an education as defined by the law. The girl had two arguments: she did not want to wear a swim suit in a mixed gender pool, and she did not want to have to see boys in swimming trunks. Twenty years ago, before the invention of the burkini, there was a fairly similar case, and a decision that the girl could opt out of swimming lessons. The current decision revises that, because a) the girl can wear a burkini, and b) boys in bathing clothes can be seen everywhere, not only in pools.

by Katrin on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 07:11:22 AM EST
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How would you feel about parents wanting to withdraw their child from certain classes? Science classes which might contradict creationism? Sex education?

Is it your view that the role of state education is to provide a palette of options from which parents can mix and match in order that their child receives an education in accordance with their particular beliefs?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 07:44:52 AM EST
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I have no issue with the decision. I have no issue with the German law that demands that ALL children learn what the public curriculum demands either. Private schools in Germany cannot opt out of science lessons or swimming, and that is a good thing. They can only teach more than the public curriculum demands, not less. Additionally they are free to separate boys and girls, while public schools always are coeducative. Homeschooling is banned too. With the absence of alternatives the weighing of conflicting rights is a serious matter. Both freedom of religion and an education that is not entirely determined by the parents, but by state and society too, are fundamental rights. The decision finds a balance. Your suggestion does not.

In the 1993 decision the court found that a girl would be an outsider if she took part in sport lessons in long garments, so she couldn't be forced to. The new decision sees that the burkini is a garment that is becoming normal, it is no longer stigmatising, and this is why conservative Muslim girls can no longer abstain from swimming lessons. Additionally the decision forces this girl to be in a place where boys wear only bathing trunks, because the judges say this has become usual in many places. True, but then these are places people go to voluntarily.

For you the matter seems to be a conflict entirely about religion versus secularity. For me it goes beyond that and redefines the balance between parents' rights and public rights in the education of children.

by Katrin on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 08:40:38 AM EST
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"balance between parents' rights and public rights in the education of children."

Indeed. I find the German system, as you describe it, exceedingly authoritarian (and the French system only marginally less so). I believe that parents do have rights in defining their children's education. But that requires opting out of the state system. Which poses the problem, as you note, of selection by money; but that's a general issue, rather than an educational one. You can't prevent people from choosing private medicine rather than the public system.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:13:29 AM EST
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 "I believe that parents do have rights in defining their children's education."

They do.

"But that requires opting out of the state system."

No, because there it clashes with the states right to define education. State and parents share power over the children.

How far from the perspective of the children this shared authority is more or less authoritarian then the sole authority of the parents is another question.

by IM on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:22:34 AM EST
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I don't find it authoritarian. Children have a right to get an education that prepares them for the society they live in. If parents want to keep things from their children--for religious or whatever reasons--the children lack independence when they grow up. I find the principle right to limit the rights of parents there, without any rights to opt out of publicly defined education.
by Katrin on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:11:55 AM EST
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"No, the court had to decide on two conflicting rights: freedom of religion versus the right to an education as defined by the law."

Basically a conflict about the rights of the parents/the child of freedom of religion - article four - and right to educate your children - article six - against the right of the state to control the schools - article seven.

The burkini was used by the judges as an way out.

by IM on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 10:18:04 AM EST
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Article 6 (English translation ) makes clear that the parents' right to decide over their children's education is not absolute. You don't even need Article 7 for that. The state's position is very strong.

I am not sure if the burkini was just a way out. The 1993 decision was founded on the stigmatising effect of long garments in sport lessons, because they are so unusual. The new decision emphasises that a burkini no longer is something very unusual.

by Katrin on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:18:19 AM EST
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Record number of estate agent workers signals UK house price bubble | Society | The Guardian

A record number of people work in estate agents offices and the sector is growing so fast that it amounted to the fastest growing part of the national workforce in the three months ending in June, according to official figures published on Wednesday.

The Office for National Statistics said that 562,000 people are employed in real estate in the UK, the largest number since records began in 1978, with 77,000 joining the industry over the last year - data that added to fears that the country is heading for a house price bubble.

"We're no longer a nation of shopkeepers - we're becoming a nation of estate agents," said Danny Gabay, director of economics consultancy Fathom. "I would certainly agree that the economy has turned a corner; my concern is about how sustainable this recovery will be, given that it is based on using government subsidies to encourage already over-extended households to take on even more debt to finance their consumption."

Concerns about the state of the housing market were also voiced by the business secretary, Vince Cable, who called for an urgent rethink of George Osborne's flagship Help to Buy scheme, which aims to provide government guarantees for low-deposit mortgages from next January.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:59:30 PM EST
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 ECONOMY & FINANCE 


The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:28:56 PM EST
Royal Mail listing to get cabinet go-ahead - FT.com

Ministers will on Thursday give the go-ahead for a stock market flotation of Royal Mail, triggering a privatisation that even Margaret Thatcher thought a step too far.

The government will announce its intention to sell a majority of the world's oldest postal service in the most ambitious privatisation since John Major sold off the railways in the 1990s.

Vince Cable, business secretary, briefed the cabinet on the plans on Tuesday. It means the coalition is within sight of a goal that has eluded governments over 20 years.

Lady Thatcher balked at selling Royal Mail. Subsequent efforts by Lords Heseltine and Mandelson, Conservative and Labour industry secretaries, to sell all or part of the company failed because of MPs' opposition.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:44:49 PM EST
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Do the buyers get to keep the Royal®TM© logo?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 04:47:26 AM EST
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Only when they get round to privatizing the monarchy.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 05:00:03 AM EST
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You mean it ISN'T a private enterprise?

Prince Chuck is going to be very surprised.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 06:06:22 AM EST
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I meant real, not phony privatization. Put it out to the highest bidder.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 06:09:19 AM EST
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EU official rules out financial transaction tax for 2014 | Business News | DW.DE | 11.09.2013

An EU plan to introduce a tax on financial transaction next year had to be ruled out, a spokesperson for EU tax commissioner Algirdas Semeta told the German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung on Wednesday.

The tax was no longer on the agenda of an EU Finance Ministers meeting later this year, aimed at outlining the program for Lithuania's EU presidency lasting until the end of 2013, the unnamed spokesperson was quoted as saying.

Furthermore, reaching agreement next year on the tax could be achieved only with a major political effort, the spokesperson reportedly said.

Spearheaded by France and Germany, a group of 11 EU member states are seeking to go ahead with a tax on all financial transactions next year, under efforts to make financial institutions repay part of the losses from the financial crisis they caused.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:44:57 PM EST
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Who Could Have Predicted?

Given the influence of the financial lobby, we can safely assume that it won't be introduced in any year which begins with a 2

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:33:45 AM EST
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Derivatives move from banks into the shadows - FT.com

Shadow financial institutions have taken advantage of the wave of new regulation to steal the lion's share of the derivatives business from the major banks in a blow to those institutions' profitability, according to traders.

Bankers fear the trend, underpinned by tougher capital rules for the banks, can only increase as regulations come into force encouraging bilateral over-the-counter deals on to exchanges, where pricing is more transparent. The obligatory clearing of trades, theoretically in place since the end of last year, will further erode margins.

"There's been a substantial increase in the number of small banks and hedge funds operating in this space," said one investment bank boss. "That has helped to narrow spreads, which is good news for clients but less good for [profits]."



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:45:24 PM EST
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Vodafone's German Deal in Balance in Hedge-Fund Catch-22 - Bloomberg

Sept. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Vodafone Group Plc Chief Executive Officer Vittorio Colao talks about the company's exit from the U.S. wireless market and its overall business outlook. Verizon Communications Inc. agreed to buy Vodafone's 45 percent stake in their U.S. mobile venture for $130 billion. Colao spoke with Bloomberg Television's Manus Cranny in London yesterday. (Source: Bloomberg)

The U.K. mobile-phone company needs to collect 75 percent of Kabel Deutschland shares by midnight tonight in Germany for the transaction to go through. The offer will lapse if Vodafone, which held or had the backing of owners of about 20 percent of shares by yesterday, doesn't reach that threshold.

Increasing Vodafone's risk of failure is Elliott Management Corp., the company run by billionaire Paul Singer that has recently become Kabel Deutschland's biggest shareholder. The hedge fund may be betting it can squeeze more than the 87-euro-per-share offer price out of Vodafone, a person familiar with the takeover offer said, asking not to be named discussing private deliberations.

Elliott -- which said this week its stake in Kabel Deutschland has reached 10.9 percent -- wants to take advantage of a German law that often requires a buyer that gets at least 75 percent of the target's shares to offer more money to hold-outs after securing a so-called domination and profit-transfer agreement, the person said.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:46:31 PM EST
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YLE | Middle income jobs disappearing:

Traditional office and industrial jobs are becoming less common. Structural changes in the labour market are forcing people who would previously have taken jobs with reasonable salaries to compete with young people for low-paid work.

The Finnish labour market is creating more high income jobs, but that is at the expense of the middle income bracket. Office and industrial jobs--such as travel agents, secretaries, mechanics and fitters--are less available than before, as many routine tasks have been replaced by technology.

Previous years of comments pointing out the stupidity of EU Neo-Liberal economic policy deemed included.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 01:04:10 PM EST
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 WORLD 


The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:29:10 PM EST
America exhales in relief over Syria airstrikes it didn't want | McClatchy

WASHINGTON -- America exhaled Wednesday, relieved that the United States has avoided military involvement in Syria at least temporarily.

The relief - the opposite of the rally-round-the-flag emotion common to such moments - suggested that the country is entering a new post-Cold War, post-9/11 era, reluctant if not openly hostile to armed intervention in faraway lands.

Even while he asked Congress to delay a vote on airstrikes, President Barack Obama tried this week to argue that it's crucial, that allowing Syria to go unpunished for the alleged use of chemical weapons would invite aggression, hurt allies such as Israel and Turkey, and embolden rogue nations such as Iran. Yet he did little to reverse the trend against intervention, offering no new argument for it and balancing his call for strikes with expressions of his own reluctance.

"Several people wrote to me, `We should not be the world's policeman.' I agree," he said in an address to the nation Tuesday night that likely did little to win support for possible airstrike



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:59:08 PM EST
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US welcomes 'significant' Russian proposal on Syrian weapons handover | World news | theguardian.com

The US has welcomed what it called "very specific" Russian proposals to secure the handover of Syria's chemical weapons before key talks in Geneva on Thursday.

Placing its faith in Moscow's leverage over its Syrian ally, the White House urged patience and said it was increasingly confident that its Kremlin partners were acting in good faith by "putting their prestige on the line".

"We have seen more co-operation from Russia in the last two days than we have heard in the last two years," said White House spokesman Jay Carney.

"The proposal they have put forward is very specific and the Syrian reaction is a total about-face. This is significant."



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:59:18 PM EST
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Strange... Post-Bush, I feared that isolationism would sweep the US. Feared, because I would actually have prepared a historically-normal, sane US world role, and had hopes of multilateralism with Obama.

But with O's foreign policy being barely distinguishable from that of his predecessor, isolationism is looking like a better option all round.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 04:53:59 AM EST
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I still think Obama got played.

He got played by everybody; in making that stupid red line in the first place, in thinking that the House would give him the go-ahead when its spent 5 years telling him he's gonna get nothing, by Israel and saudi insisting that he had to do something whatever, and then, when his credibility depends on him doing some military gesture, Putin stole his thunder.

He ended up looking stupid about 6 ways sideways. Especially when he grabbed onto Putin's offer with all the dignity of a drowning man seizing a lifebelt while trying to pretend he was being cool and didn't need it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 01:17:17 PM EST
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I expect NSA intelligence will have covered the UN Inspection team and lab tests, so the results should be known by both the US and Israel.

Leaked UN report: Assad behind chemical attack

(YnetNews) - A report by United Nations inspectors probing an alleged chemical weapons attack in Syria will "probably" be published on Monday, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said.

The UN inspectors left Syria on August 31 after collecting samples as part of their probe into the now infamous August 21 chemical weapons attack in a suburb of the Syrian capital. According to a story published by Foreign Policy Magazine on Thursday, the inspectors have found a "wealth" of circumstantial evidence on the use of chemical agents by Syrian President Bashar Assad.

UN report on Syria likely Monday: France

Cross-posted from my diary - Across the Globe, Praise for Putin ‖ Op-ed.

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 07:53:55 AM EST
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NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel | World news | theguardian.com

The National Security Agency routinely shares raw intelligence data with Israel without first sifting it to remove information about US citizens, a top-secret document provided to the Guardian by whistleblower Edward Snowden reveals.

Details of the intelligence-sharing agreement are laid out in a memorandum of understanding between the NSA and its Israeli counterpart that shows the US government handed over intercepted communications likely to contain phone calls and emails of American citizens. The agreement places no legally binding limits on the use of the data by the Israelis.

The disclosure that the NSA agreed to provide raw intelligence data to a foreign country contrasts with assurances from the Obama administration that there are rigorous safeguards to protect the privacy of US citizens caught in the dragnet. The intelligence community calls this process "minimization", but the memorandum makes clear that the information shared with the Israelis would be in its pre-minimized state.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:59:42 PM EST
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that's embarrassing ;-))

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 01:18:34 PM EST
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Dozens killed in Baghdad car bombing - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

A car bomb has exploded near a Shia place of worship in the Iraqi capital Baghdad, killing at least 33 people and wounding up to 55 others.

Wednesday's apparent sectarian attack took place in Baghdad's northwestern Kasra district.

Worshippers were leaving the mosque after evening prayers when the car bomb exploded, and as onlookers rushed to help the wounded, a suicide bomber blew himself up in their midst, Reuters news agency said.

Policemen reportedly saw a second man fumbling to detonate an explosive belt and managed to stop him, but an angry mob overcame them and stabbed him to death.

It was not immediately clear who carried out the attack, but al-Qaeda-linked Sunni Muslim groups have been regaining momentum and striking on a near daily basis this year.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 06:00:01 PM EST
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Mexico's teachers protest against new law - Americas - Al Jazeera English

Thousands of teachers are back on the streets of Mexico City a day after the president signed a controversial education reform bill into law.

Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto signed the final part the education reform bill into law on Tuesday, in a move that infuriated teaching unions who have fought the bill from the outset.

The reform, finalised on Tuesday, introduces mandatory teacher evaluations for the first time, which unions considers a violation of workers' rights.

"In the application of the education law there won't be a step back, rather we will make sure we move forward faster," Pena Nieto said as he signed the law.

Al Jazeera's Adam Raney, reporting from Mexico City on Wednesday, said the teachers were trying to build momentum for their cause.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 06:00:44 PM EST
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Japan has issued an official complaint over this cartoon in Le Canard:

The chief cabinet secretary, Yoshihide Suga, said a formal complaint would be lodged with the French embassy in Tokyo, adding that the cartoon hurt the victims of the triple disaster that struck Japan's north-east coast on 11 March 2011.

"It is inappropriate and gives the wrong impression about the issue of contaminated water at Fukushima Daiichi," Suga said. "It is extremely regrettable."

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 07:17:42 AM EST
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genuine laugh out loud

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 01:19:32 PM EST
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Golda Meir's testimony to the Agranat commision is just being published, with the newspapers full of discussion of this, all of them seeming to take for granted that she is always telling the truth (I suspect that Kipnis in his recent book - coming out in English in October is more reliable).

But the fun part is the following excerpt from this article:

It was her military aide, Gen. Yisrael Lior, passing on a message from Mossad chief Zvi Zamir who had just met in London with his most valued source. War, said Lior. This day, before dark.
No mention of the name of this source, which is probably still an official secret.....
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 11:59:53 AM EST
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LIVING OFF THE PLANET
Environment, Energy, Agriculture, Food


The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:29:23 PM EST
A third of food is wasted, making it third-biggest carbon emitter, U.N. says | Reuters

(Reuters) - The food the world wastes accounts for more greenhouse gas emissions than any country except for China and the United States, the United Nations said in a report on Wednesday.

Every year about a third of all food for human consumption, around 1.3 billion tons, is wasted, along with all the energy, water and chemicals needed to produce it and dispose of it.

Almost 30 percent of the world's farmland, and a volume of water equivalent to the annual discharge of the River Volga, are in effect being used in vain.

In its report entitled "The Food Wastage Footprint", the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) estimated that the carbon footprint of wasted food was equivalent to 3.3 billion tons of carbon dioxide per year.

If it were a country, it would be the world's third biggest emitter after China and the United States, suggesting that more efficient food use could contribute substantially to global efforts to cut greenhouse gases to limit global warming.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 06:07:26 PM EST
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Confirmed: Greenland reached hottest temperature in modern record this summer

After I posted news that Greenland soared to its hottest temperature on record this summer, it came to light that the toasty reading was under review by the Danish Meteorological Society (which maintains Greenland's records) and might be rescinded.

Today, John Cappelen, senior climatologist at the Danish Meteorological Society, emailed me to let me know the record high of 25.9 C (78.6 F) set on July 30 at Maniitsoq stands.

"I have now accepted the record at Maniitsoq based on further analysis," Cappelen said.

At issue was whether the temperature measurement, taken at an airport location, was legitimate. Artificial heat sources at airports can sometimes corrupt temperature readings.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 06:07:34 PM EST
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dvx:
Artificial heat sources at airports can sometimes corrupt temperature readings.

Possibly, but weather data are commonly collected at airports all over the world. And, in a time series for that particular location, the record would surely stand.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 02:01:09 AM EST
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Extreme life forms: Life found in the sediments of an Antarctic subglacial lake for the first time

Sep. 10, 2013 -- Evidence of diverse life forms dating back nearly a hundred thousand years has been found in subglacial lake sediments by a group of British scientists.

The possibility that extreme life forms might exist in the cold and dark lakes hidden kilometres beneath the Antarctic ice sheet has fascinated scientists for decades.

However, direct sampling of these lakes in the interior of Antarctica continues to present major technological challenges. Recognising this, scientists from the British Antarctic Survey (BAS), and the Universities of Northumbria and Edinburgh have been searching around the retreating margins of the ice sheet for subglacial lakes that are becoming exposed for the first time since they were buried more than 100,000 years ago.

This is because parts of the ice sheet are melting and retreating at unprecedented rates as the temperature rises at the poles.

The group targeted Lake Hodgson on the Antarctic Peninsula which was covered by more than 400 m of ice at the end of the last Ice Age, but is now considered to be an emerging subglacial lake, with a thin covering of just 3-4 metres of ice.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 06:07:52 PM EST
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 LIVING ON THE PLANET 
 Society, Culture, History, Information 


The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:29:36 PM EST
BBC News - Europe plans to end mobile phone roaming charges

The European Commission is proposing to scrap mobile phone roaming charges across Europe as part of a raft of measures to reform the telecoms market.

The Commission described the reforms as "the most ambitious plan in 26 years of telecoms market reform".

It said the measures will reduce consumer charges and simplify red tape for mobile companies.

The proposals must be approved by the 28 EU members and European lawmakers before they can be put into effect.

Analysts say Europe is falling behind in broadband infrastructure, while telecoms companies struggle with declining revenues.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:40:24 PM EST
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AIDS vaccine candidate appears to completely clear virus from the body in monkeys

Sep. 11, 2013 -- An HIV/AIDS vaccine candidate developed by researchers at Oregon Health & Science University appears to have the ability to completely clear an AIDS-causing virus from the body. The promising vaccine candidate is being developed at OHSU's Vaccine and Gene Therapy Institute. It is being tested through the use of a non-human primate form of HIV, called simian immunodeficiency virus, or SIV, which causes AIDS in monkeys. Following further development, it is hoped an HIV-form of the vaccine candidate can soon be tested in humans.

These research results were published online today by the journal Nature. The results will also appear in a future print version of the publication.

"To date, HIV infection has only been cured in a very small number of highly-publicized but unusual clinical cases in which HIV-infected individuals were treated with anti-viral medicines very early after the onset of infection or received a stem cell transplant to combat cancer," said Louis Picker, M.D., associate director of the OHSU Vaccine and Gene Therapy Institute. "This latest research suggests that certain immune responses elicited by a new vaccine may also have the ability to completely remove HIV from the body."



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 06:08:31 PM EST
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NASA's black-hole-hunter catches its first 10 supermassive black holes

Sep. 9, 2013 -- NASA's black-hole-hunter spacecraft, the Nuclear Spectroscopic Telescope Array, or NuSTAR, has "bagged" its first 10 supermassive black holes. The mission, which has a mast the length of a school bus, is the first telescope capable of focusing the highest-energy X-ray light into detailed pictures.

The new black-hole finds are the first of hundreds expected from the mission over the next two years. These gargantuan structures -- black holes surrounded by thick disks of gas -- lie at the hearts of distant galaxies between 0.3 and 11.4 billion light-years from Earth.

"We found the black holes serendipitously," explained David Alexander, a NuSTAR team member based in the Department of Physics at Durham University in England and lead author of a new study appearing Aug. 20 in The Astrophysical Journal. "We were looking at known targets and spotted the black holes in the background of the images."

Additional serendipitous finds such as these are expected for the mission. Along with the mission's more targeted surveys of selected patches of sky, the NuSTAR team plans to comb through hundreds of images taken by the telescope with the goal of finding black holes caught in the background.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 06:08:52 PM EST
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Fat Gravity Particle Gives Clues to Dark Energy: Scientific American

The Wall Street mantra "greed is good" could soon be adopted by cosmologists to explain the origins of dark energy, the mysterious entity that is speeding up the expansion of the Universe.

At a cosmology meeting last week in Cambridge, UK, attendants debated a controversial class of theories in which gravity is carried by a hypothetical `graviton' particle that has a small, but still non-vanishing, mass. Such a particle would tend to gobble up vast amounts of energy from the fabric of space, enabling the Universe to expand at an accelerated, although not destructive, pace.

Since astronomers discovered in the late 1990s that the Universe's expansion is accelerating, researchers have struggled to explain not only the nature of the hypothetical entity -- dubbed dark energy -- that's causing the acceleration but also why the acceleration is so weak.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 06:09:11 PM EST
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Why does the headline say 'gives' in the indicative? An unreal conditional would be more appropriate.

Finance is the brain [tumour] of the economy
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 07:31:01 PM EST
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"Hypothetically massive hypothetical gravity particle hypothetically explains hypothetical quantity of hypothetical dark energy: hypothesis" doesn't fit at the top of the column.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 02:13:43 AM EST
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Winning Hearts with Weak Arguments: Scientific American

Politicians ask their supporters for a lot, from monetary donations to holding campaign signs near busy intersections - often in frigid weather. Such big asks would seem to call for strong, cogent pitches. After all, who'd volunteer for a candidate who couldn't even explain her positions on the issues? As it turns out, lots of us. In fact, recent research suggests that in some cases, providing weak arguments in favor of a candidate or cause leads supporters to engage in greater advocacy than providing strong ones.

In an experiment conducted in the months prior to the 2012 United States presidential election, several Stanford University researchers - Omair Akhtar, David Paunesku, and Zakary Tormala - asked one hundred and sixty five members of a national online sample to report their feelings about President Barack Obama's bid for reelection. Based on their responses, respondents were categorized into pro- and anti-Obama voters.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 06:09:22 PM EST
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Mycenean Palace and Linear B Tablets Discovered in Sparta Area | Greece.GreekReporter.com Latest News from Greece

A new excavation in the Xirokambi area of Aghios Vassilios west of Sparta, in the Peloponnese, Greece, has revealed a richness of Mycenean artefacts in the area, including the remains of a palace, Linear B tablets, fragments of wall paintings, and several bronze swords.
The excavation, led by emeritus ephor of antiquities Adamantia Vassilogrambrou, was presented publicly at the biennial Shanghai Archaeology Forum at the end of August as one of 11 sites showcased from different parts of the world.

The Aghios Vassilios excavation began in 2010, after Linear B tablets were found in the area in 2008, pointing to the existence of a powerful central authority and distribution system. The deciphered texts were devoted to perfume and cloth production, the trade of which was controlled by a palace administration in the Mycenean era.

Evidence of a central palace administration was confirmed also by the architecture, which is dated to the 14th century BC, while contact with Crete was confirmed by the finding of a double axe, a feature of the island's palace culture.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 06:09:31 PM EST
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Excellent

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 01:26:28 PM EST
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ON THIS DATE


The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:29:50 PM EST
1933 - Leó Szilárd, waiting for a red light on Southampton Row in Bloomsbury, conceives the idea of the nuclear chain reaction.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:32:56 PM EST
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Somebody should offer that as a chiral analogy. It hasn't been done yet.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 02:16:06 AM EST
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Chirality is deemed of sufficient interest to have its own journal:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1002/(ISSN)1520-636X

Analogies can provide deep insights into seemingly disparate phenomena.

by martinahay on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 03:14:30 AM EST
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I think - and I suspect I speak for some others too - we should end talking about Chirality for now.
by IM on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 06:56:31 AM EST
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I couldn't find any articles on economics.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 07:01:52 AM EST
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shouldn't you wait for a green light ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 01:27:09 PM EST
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Yes, but it's when you wait for a red one that you set off a chain reaction.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 01:40:17 PM EST
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I didn't expect that from you, Helen.
by Katrin on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 01:41:41 PM EST
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elementary highway code.

you wait AT a read light.
You wait FOR a green light.

but if you're waiting FOR a red light, the light is at green and you should GO

{/pedant}

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 01:58:49 PM EST
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Yes, I know that. At pedestrian crossings one waits AT a red light and FOR a green light. :)
by Katrin on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 02:35:42 PM EST
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I don't wait for no stinkin' green light; I'm a fast breeder with my bicycle chain reaction.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Sep 12th, 2013 at 05:07:31 PM EST
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 PEOPLE AND KLATSCH 


The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 11th, 2013 at 05:30:04 PM EST


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