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22-23 February 2014

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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 01:57:20 PM EST
EUobserver / Greece and creditors guilty of 'denialism' over public health crisis

BRUSSELS - The Greek government and its creditors are guilty of "denialism" about the scale of the public health crisis caused by the country's harsh austerity programme, leading international medical researchers have claimed.

A huge rise in suicides, HIV infections and infant mortality rates are just a few of the consequences on public health of Athens' spending cuts, according to a report published on Friday (21 February) by the Lancet, one of the world's leading medical journals.

The number of HIV infections among drug users soared from 15 in 2009 to 484 in 2012 as a result of cuts to AIDS prevention programmes, while infant mortality also rose by 43 percent. Meanwhile, locally transmitted malaria, which had previously been effectively eradicated, has returned to the country.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 01:57:45 PM EST
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Danish PM says country 'should' join the euro | EurActiv

Though the Danish prime minister currently has no plans of calling for a referendum of Denmark's euro opt-out, Thorning-Schmidt personally believes the country should still join "eventually".

The Scandinavian country held a euro referendum in 2000 where 53.2% voted against adopting the EU's common currency. And since there is no sign that public opinion has changed since then, Thorning-Schmidt said she was "careful" about holding another vote, even though she believes joining the euro would be in Denmark's best interest.

She does believe however that Denmark should get rid of some of the opt-outs it has negotiated in four EU policy areas - security and defence; citizenship; freedom, security and justice; and the economic and monetary union.

"What I'm saying is that we would gain more influence over matters that already affect us which a small country doesn't have much influence over anyway. This is what the EU is about, basically," Thorning-Schmidt said in an interview with the online media Altinget.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 01:57:55 PM EST
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Scottish independence: currency union warning 'backfires' on Westminster | Politics | The Guardian

As David Cameron tries to win over wavering voters by holding the first meeting of his cabinet in Scotland next week, John Curtice said that the gamble on a currency union had failed to boost the pro-UK camp amid signs of an increase in support for independence.

The professor of politics at Strathclyde University issued his warning as Alex Salmond said that George Osborne's decision to rule out a currency union in a speech in Edinburgh last Thursday had "backfired in spectacular fashion".

...The first minister turned on Labour, the Tories and the Liberal Democrats after a poll in the Scottish Daily Mail showed an increase in support for the pro-independence side in the week since the chancellor's speech. The Survation poll found that 38% support independence (up six points on a poll two weeks ago) compared with 47% who support the UK, down five points. Survation cautions that a direct comparison cannot be made between its two polls because of a change in its methodology.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 01:58:06 PM EST
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The problem is that Salmond does tend to assert things such as "we can keep the pound" as being absolutely true and having no credible explanation or fallback position when he is challenged.

This may generate public sympathy at being bullied, but they've had 18 months to work out how the fine detail of how to do the new country thing, but so far they've just got a wish list. This is not grown up politics.

frankly, Chris Cook on FB has got a more coherent set of politics for Independence than the "brains trust" that is the SNP.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 03:28:53 AM EST
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Basque separatist group Eta gives up token part of arsenal | World news | The Guardian

The armed Basque separatist group Eta has put beyond use a token part of its arsenal in a move verified by international mediators who said they were confident this was a first step to complete disarmament by a terrorist organisation that has killed more than 800 people.

Footage of masked Eta members showing pistols, explosives and detonators to mediators was posted on the BBC's Spanish-language website on Friday. The weaponry shown in the film coincided with an inventory supplied by the mediators from the International Verification Commission, who made the announcement in the Basque city of Bilbao.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 01:58:17 PM EST
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Ukraine opposition leaders sign deal with government | World news | theguardian.com

Ukraine's president, Viktor Yanukovich, and three opposition leaders have signed an agreement intended to end a crisis that sparked bloody clashes between protesters and police on the streets of the capital, Kiev.

The deal sets out plans to hold early presidential elections, form a national unity government and revert to the 2004 constitution, removing some of the president's powers. Yanukovich did not smile during a signing ceremony lasting several minutes in the presidential headquarters, but he did shake hands with the opposition.

The deal was also signed by two European Union foreign ministers who helped broker it in tortuous negotiations that lasted more than 30 hours. "This agreement is not the end of the process. It's the beginning of the process," the German foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, said after the signing.

...Parliament subsequently began to vote to make the agreement law, supporting immediately a return to the constitution of 2004 and an unconditional amnesty for people detained in the unrest. It also voted to allow the release of the former prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko after more than two years in prison.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 01:58:30 PM EST
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'I am alive!' - medic injured in Kiev tweets after surviving bullet wound | World news | theguardian.com

A young woman who tweeted "I'm dying" after she was shot in the neck in Kiev has posted a message on Twitter announcing she is alive.

Olesya Zhukovskaya, 21, became an unexpected symbol of the protests in Ukraine after a grim photo of the volunteer medic circulated on social media on Thursday, coupled with a tweet from her account which read: "I'm dying". Early reports suggested Zhukovskaya had succumbed to her injuries, but it later transpired she had survived and was in hospital in Kiev.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 01:58:40 PM EST
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Ukrainian journalist shot dead | Media | theguardian.com

A Ukrainian reporter was one of the people killed in Kiev. Vyacheslav Veremyi, who worked for the pro-government newspaper Vremya (Time), died in hospital on Wednesday of a gunshot wound to the chest. His colleagues do not believe the attack was accidental.

The reporter and a colleague, IT specialist Aleksey Lymarenko, were ambushed by a gang of men when their taxi stopped at traffic lights about 800 metres from Independence Square.

They pulled Veremyi and Lymarenko from the car along with the driver and beat them up. But Lymarenko struggled free and managed to return to the newspaper office.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 01:58:53 PM EST
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Seems like the people haven't quite got on board with it yet

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 03:30:17 AM EST
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This is pretty shocking...

Time: Ukraine Parliament's Deal Leads to an Uneasy Peace (Feb. 21, 2014)

The cloak room in Ukraine's parliament was not equipped to handle so many bullet proof vests. ...

But when the session was over, many of the lawmakers felt they didn't need them anymore. The country they discovered upon leaving the parliament had been transformed. The revolution that began three months ago - and left at least 70 dead from gunshot wounds in the last two days - was all but over. The ruling party of President Viktor Yanukovych had capitulated to the revolutionaries on almost every front and, a bit like a fairytale prince in reverse, the President had become a lame duck.

...

The biggest losers in all of this, at least on the political scoreboard, were Yanukovych and his Russian allies. The biggest winner was Tyahnibok, who had risen in the course of three months from a marginal right-wing firebrand in parliament to a statesman at the table with European ministers. He had won out over the President and secured a role for himself in the future government. But at what price? On Thursday morning, when police opened fire on protesters in Kiev, sixteen members of his Svoboda party were among the dead, and the victorious smile left his face in the parliament building when he was reminded of this the following day. "No victory is worth the cost of human lives," he told me.

...

But half the chamber, the one filled with the President's ruling Party of Regions, did not sing with as much gusto as the rest. By the end of the day, at least 28 members of the party had defected. "My mistake was that I didn't quit sooner," says one of them, Vitali Khomutynnik, a committee chairman and influential lawmaker from the President's home region of Donetsk. "We should have acted sooner to stop the bloodshed."



A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 06:25:21 AM EST
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A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 06:30:47 AM EST
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A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 07:12:05 AM EST
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http://rt.com/news/ukraine-right-sector-militants-210/

Aleksandr Muzychko is a notorious nationalist leader. Back in 2007 he pledged to fight against "communists, Jews and Russians for as long as blood flows in his veins," openly saying that leading the fight against all of the above mentioned groups is his "credo."

Kalashnikov-wielding members of Ukraine's radical nationalist opposition group, Right Sector, have pledged to resort to arms in their fight against those involved in "lawlessness" and looting, saying they will shoot to restore "order and discipline."

"I warn you, if anyone in this town, this area, engages in 'lawlessness' and looting, Right Sector squads will shoot the bastards on the spot. Then there will be order and discipline," one of the radical nationalist opposition group leaders, Aleksandr Muzychko, said on Friday.  

"Lawlessness" huh...he is talking about lawlessness...
What a world...It's sometimes hard to believe what we are seeing and hearing. And also what "democratic" and "freedom loving" west wouldn't support if it is in their interest...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 10:02:10 PM EST
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Parliament...democracy...freedom...???
Is this the Parliament to change constitution and president over one afternoon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8SpihSawM0

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 01:14:02 AM EST
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Parliament...democracy...freedom...???

Well, the key to the power shift in parliament was the defections from the Party of the Regions. Whether motivated by shock over the shootings or calculating one's future, this was a self-inflicted wound of the regime.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 04:48:51 AM EST
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I wonder how would anybody react in these circumstances... having a gun pointed at you and your family? How would anybody in the world consider decisions of a Parliament legal and legitimate when they are made at gun point?
If president did not leave Kiev he would be dead by now. This mob is bunch of murderers...I have seen video (can't find it now) when one of them is talking to the people and another one in military uniform takes microphone and literally said that if president is not resigning right now they are going to come and kill him.It was before they knew he has left Kiev and after so called "agreement" signed with opposition and EU scum.That agreement did not say that president should resign. And also where were opposition and EU scum to stop this mob from killing literally anybody they want? They promised that their squads will kill anybody if THEY find their behaving "lawlessly"...They literally took law in their hands. "Wild west" in 21 century Europe...and "civilized" western Europe can not and do not want to do anything about it. Good look to Europeans with this bunch of fascists and murders...    

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 05:11:09 AM EST
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I wonder how would anybody react in these circumstances... having a gun pointed at you and your family?

No, they had no gun pointed at them when they switched sides, and regime-loyal police had a lot more guns than the opposition paramilitaries. These events didn't happen due to superior armed force on the side of the opposition, but the disintegration of the power behind the superior armed forces of the government.

This mob is bunch of murderers...

As things stand, there have been a lot more murderers on the government's side.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 07:13:57 AM EST
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I do not agree with you.
Police was and is paid to protect governments, constitution etc. They simply did their job.It must have been hard for them because they are Ukrainians too to shoot at their own people.And they have different feelings and opinions about whole situation but they are professionals. Intentionally or not someone gave them wrong instructions how to deal with this kind of event.They also have been provoked to retaliate because they are being killed and some has been made hostage. I usually am not happy to stand for police instead for "people" but those right wing fascist highjacked the protest at some point totally.I am not blaming all protesters for what had happened.
And yes it happened "at gun point" all tho maybe not literally , there at the parliament. Just few days ago they killed young judge that just did his job and sentenced few protesters.They also killed journalist working for pro government media. They easily killed anyone who they did not like. One can only imagine how threatened MPs and their families.It is not to say that some of them didn't do it simply realizing that it will be good for their carrier in the future too.

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 07:28:44 AM EST
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Police was and is paid to protect governments, constitution etc. They simply did their job.It must have been hard for them because they are Ukrainians too to shoot at their own people.

Does that include posting snipers on rooftops to shoot at crowds?

It is when police kills civilians that the government they are protecting ceases to have the legitimacy to be protected.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 07:31:09 AM EST
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Snipers were of both sides.PROTESTERS SNIPERS KILLED POLICE TOO.
It is hard to say that all protesters were "civilians" because a lot of them had been ARMED civilians and actually a lot of this mob actually weared military like uniforms.
Do you think that it is OK for armed civilians to kill police and make them hostages? Not to mention what the rumor goes around of what they did to them and how they were abused...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 07:41:16 AM EST
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Snipers were of both sides.

Even if that would be true, it doesn't excuse the police's sniping without warning shots. And please provide evidence of opposition sniping, other than undocumented claims by the regime.

Do you think that it is OK for armed civilians to kill police and make them hostages?

Why do you keep making up strawmen? It's not Migeru or me who fails to see that there have been criminal actions on both sides.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 07:46:13 AM EST
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Further on the equivocation: what is the confirmed number of policemen killed (by whatever means)? In the news reports referencing the Ukrainian interior ministry, I counted ten (seven on Tuesday, the day of the police advance, and three on Thursday, the day of snipers) – out of at least 77 dead.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 08:13:34 AM EST
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I have seen photos of sniper on protestant side that I can't find now and yes police said so. All those policemen are killed ...someone killed them.
I have nothing against you I am just trying to be objective here. Not that I like or support president let alone police. I feel pity for all of them in Ukraine.It will not be long and they will realize that they shouldn't kill each other either for EU or for Russia...no one will give them anything anyway..."There is no such a thing as a free lunch" to quote English...
If anything they destroyed as little as they had of their properties, their economy ( that will not see investment for a long time), they destroyed their brotherhood, their nation...Poor people they are ignorant and very easy to trick.The only winners will be politicians again because they will grab for themselves what ever money comes to Ukraine. Next president will lease that residency that they are now going to see in masses and their lives can only change for the worse...  
 

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 08:34:56 AM EST
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I have seen photos of sniper on protestant side that I can't find

A sniper, or someone with a gun?

All those policemen are killed ...someone killed them.

There was pitched battle in which at least molotov cocktails, iron bars and wooden sticks, steel shields, knives and axes have been confirmed on the opposition side. That's plenty to explain the deaths, along with friendly fire and getting trampled in a stampede. You made the specific claim of sniper fire, which is cold premeditated murder from a distance.

I am just trying to be objective here.

And I'm saying that, like several times before, you react to bias in Western media with just as extreme opposed bias, not objectivity.

It will not be long and they will realize that they shouldn't kill each other either for EU or for Russia...

Well here I both agree and disagree. I think people are killing each other for their own stupid domestic reasons, while both Russia and the EU and the USA try to influence them for sphere of influence reasons, and all sides played their own special part in the escalation.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 08:48:01 AM EST
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I like this one

Obama's poll ratings is around 30%..Does it mean Americans can unseat him with violence??? Funny how the gamers of this colored coup thing have managed to use the ignorant masses to destroy their own country on some flimsy pretext like "freedom" and "human rights" etc etc..We saw this in Libya, Egypt, Syria, Venezuela etc etc..

Often times, the government that comes afterwards is worse than the one before and people thus become worse off. But they can't complain so the entire nation suffers. Go to Egypt,Libya, Syria, Tunisia today and ask anyone what they think about the "Arab Spring". I'm almost certain many would say they wish it had never happened!! They're f*cked!! But they can't complain coz they're the main engine of their own downfall.

Ignorance of the masses in any country is a potent weapon for the enemy of that country...The new unelected/self-appointed leaders of Ukraine will have the daunting task of ruling from now on..They'll have to pay salaries and pensions. From where will they get that money from???? Like in the "Arab Spring" countries, the people will just suck it up and suffer in quiet. Suckers R Us! :^)

Posted by: Zico | Feb 22, 2014 2:34:41 PM | 41

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/02/ukraine-from-the-spirits-that-i-called-sir-deliver-me.html#comm ents

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 08:48:43 AM EST
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I found one photo...is this a gun or sniper?


Anti-government rioters aim their weapons during clashes with riot police in Independence Square in Kiev February 18, 2014. (AFP Photo / Genya Savilov)

more here

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-street-warfare-firearms-658/

Nobody knows how many policemen has been killed...can't find number on internet...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 09:02:16 AM EST
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I found one photo...is this a gun or sniper?

Now we're talking: that looks like it, I haven't seen that before. In the link, however, you also see the more common weapons of the protesters.

Nobody knows how many policemen has been killed...

I quoted numbers from the Ukrainian interior ministry, though I see that the number seven for the first day has been corrected upwards to ten, so that would make 13 total out of the at least 77 confirmed dead.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 09:11:34 AM EST
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Regarding the photo, Russia Today claims it shows protesters, but I only see a silhouette that could be a policeman, too. The image is from AFP+Getty Images rather than RT's own sources, and the original caption doesn't identify the sniper: there is only a generic text re-used as caption for several other images.

Anti-government protesters clash with the police during their storming of Independence Square in Kiev on February 18, 2014. Flames engulfed the main anti-government protest camp on Independence Square on Tuesday as riot police tried to force demonstrators out following the bloodiest clashes in three months of protests. The iconic square turned into a war zone as riot police moved slowly through opposition barricades from several directions, hurling stun grenades and using water cannon to clear protestors. AFP PHOTO/ GENYA SAVILOV (Photo credit should read GENYA SAVILOV/AFP/Getty Images)

There are clearer photos that show guns and non-sniper rifles, though:



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 09:37:11 AM EST
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After much searching, I found a number of photos of what appear to be the same two guys, who were indeed protesters. The gun appears to be a hunter rifle:







For comparison, police rifles:



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:40:06 AM EST
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Evidence for armed protesters: not very subjective. Probably not faked either.
by Katrin on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 09:42:28 AM EST
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Sigh. Meant not very objective...
by Katrin on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 09:44:12 AM EST
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They simply did their job.

Single head and heart shots to kill, without prior warning shots, against everyone who moves (including well identified medics) isn't a proportional way of protection. Don't make stuff up.

provoked to retaliate because they are being killed

The killings were done by the snipers on the rooftop, who certainly weren't doing self-defense. Eyewitness reports say that the first shots were fired in response to stone-throwing, not in response to lethal danger. Even during the attack of the far-right block on the third day, no evidence has been shown that they used guns.

I am not blaming all protesters for what had happened.

You wrote "This mob is bunch of murderers".

And yes it happened "at gun point"

And again no it didn't. There were literally thousands of policemen around to protect the MPs, with a lot more and lot better weapons than the Pravy Sector mobs, but the desertions started well before yesterday (Kiev's mayor for example). You can't explain away the melting-away of the state authority.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 07:43:02 AM EST
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The melting away of state authority is what makes revolutions succeed. It is unpredictable and sudden, and normally it happens when the regime has to use deadly force on the population, either because orders are refused or as a reaction to orders being carried out.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 07:52:30 AM EST
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Ukraine MPs vote speaker interim president - live updates | World news | theguardian.com

Viktor Yanukovych has even been rejected by his own political group, the Party of Regions. They published this on their website.

Dear compatriots

We are experiencing one of the most difficult and tragic periods in the history of our country. Ukraine was deceived and robbed but even that is nothing compared to the grief faced by dozens of Ukrainian families who lost their loved ones on both sides of the confrontation. Ukraine betrayed, and people pushed their foreheads. All responsibility for this lies with Yanukovych and his immediate environment.

We, the Party of Regions faction in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine (parliament) and our party members, strongly condemn the criminal orders that led to the loss of human life, an empty treasury, huge debts, shame in the eyes of the Ukrainian people and the world, bringing our country was on the brink, threats split and the loss of national sovereignty. Any attempt to influence the situation, to persuade the president had not been heard.

Party of Regions faction represents the interests of more than ten million voters in Ukraine and more than one million members.

Parties of regions - is the normal, hardworking people who love their land, their people, It includes industrialists, scientists, workers, doctors and teachers.

We have come to parliament to serve Ukraine and its people.

Party of Regions said that difference of opinion, and sometimes - differences in ideology are not an obstacle to work together for the benefit of Ukraine. There are different views, but we have one goal - a united, strong and independent Ukraine.

We condemn the cowardly flight of Yanukovych.

We condemn the betrayal.

We condemn the criminal orders , which framed the common people, soldiers and officers.

But attempts at total intimidation and lynching, to destabilize the situation in the regions is not acceptable in a democratic society.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 09:00:37 AM EST
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Hahaha...if it's not tragic it would be really funny...
They already started same all propaganda language preparing them selves for next election. They know if they are not elected they are done and gone. But do they really think they can get their voters back?
It is not about Yanukovych...he is scum like Timoshenko and all the others...
It is (like always) going to be a matter of deal between big players ( Russia and USA..."fuck the Eu", haha) and they, people are only important to their local politicians who will be here and there exploited by these big players...It is going to be interesting these days...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 09:12:33 AM EST
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Under the constitution of the Ukraine, the Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine of VI Convocation would be in line to succeed President Vanukovich. That would be Volodymyr Rybak, unless mob rule decided otherwise. Most similar to the overthrow of Egypt's president Morsi, we wont call it a coup d'état.

US: Russia involvement in Ukraine 'grave mistake'

(ITV) - US President Barack Obama's national security adviser said it would be a "grave mistake" for Russia to send military forces into Ukraine and that it is not in the interest of Russia, Europe or the US to see Ukraine split apart.

Speaking on NBC's Meet the Press, Susan Rice was asked about a possible scenario in which Russia would send forces into Ukraine to restore a government more friendly to Moscow.

"That would be a grave mistake," Rice said. "It's not in the interests of Ukraine or of Russia or of Europe or the United States to see a country split. It's in nobody's interest to see violence return and the situation escalate.



Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 12:14:47 PM EST
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<blockquoute>The melting away of state authority is what makes revolutions succeed. </blockquoute>

And who will put Humpty Dumpty back together again?

For better or worse the nice thing about the government knowing that they have authority is that they can achieve compliance among the population without resorting to violence.  When a state depends upon physical violence in order to enforce its authority, that gets very expensive, very quick.  In so many ways.  

The problem with this idea of "peaceful" revolution by denying the authority of the state, is that in the end it destroys the very thing that a revolution is designed to capture: the authority of the state.  

Does anyone really believe that the end result in Ukraine is going to be a state capable of enforcing its authority through issuing laws alone?

At best, we have a brutal crackdown with the police doing the breaking of bones designed to make people obey the new laws that come out of Kiev. So Egypt.  New boss, same as the old boss.  At worst, we end up with a failed state, or civil war.  So Syria.

We really need some sort of secular version of Just War Theory for would be revolutionaries. Probability of success, proportionality, most importantly that the action is taken as a last resort should be criteria here. The Maidan violated an accord that had been reached by the opposition, because they didn't like the terms. What sort of assurance do we have that they won't do the same if they don't like the new government.  

The Beatles were right. We all want to change the world, but when you talk about destruction, you can count me out.  There is a time and a place for all things, but I'm sorry when you talk about revolution, you should be damn sure that what your fighting for is worth dying, and killing for.  I'm not convinced that was the case in the Ukraine.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 04:12:17 PM EST
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A righteous case, well argued

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 04:24:40 PM EST
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The melting away of state authority is what makes revolutions succeed.
And who will put Humpty Dumpty back together again?

For better or worse the nice thing about the government knowing that they have authority is that they can achieve compliance among the population without resorting to violence.  When a state depends upon physical violence in order to enforce its authority, that gets very expensive, very quick.  In so many ways.  

The problem with this idea of "peaceful" revolution by denying the authority of the state, is that in the end it destroys the very thing that a revolution is designed to capture: the authority of the state.  

Does anyone really believe that the end result in Ukraine is going to be a state capable of enforcing its authority through issuing laws alone?

You know better than this. The military and the police have not been disbanded and they will be loyal to the parliament and the people will accept their law-enforcement if they accept the legitimacy of parliament.

The new government will have to deal with the Right Blobk militia.

The revolution is not over yet, in any case. Impeaching the President is just an early stage because so many thinkgs remain in flux.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 24th, 2014 at 09:16:45 AM EST
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Migeru:
The military and the police have not been disbanded and they will be loyal to the parliament

Do we know that they will be loyal to the parliament? Police appears split by region, the big question is the military. The president is still acting, the legality of parliament deposing him looks questionable and the president is head of the executive. If the military splits, then it looks like civil war.

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Feb 24th, 2014 at 09:30:50 AM EST
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Who heads the military now? Yanukovich fired the former chief when he declared, as I recall, that the army should not be used against civilians.

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by eurogreen on Mon Feb 24th, 2014 at 09:41:59 AM EST
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Chief of the General Staff (Ukraine) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also according to wikipedia the Admiral is also head of the Navy, while the position of commander of the ground forces is vacant, so I guess the Lieutenant General held that.

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Feb 24th, 2014 at 12:54:32 PM EST
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The Maidan violated an accord that had been reached by the opposition, because they didn't like the terms.
What's the timeline of events between the agreement of last Friday (?) and the parliament votes taking power away from Yanukovych?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 24th, 2014 at 09:18:49 AM EST
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Ukraine peace deal negotiator & foreign minister of Poland Radek Sikorski on Fareed Zakaria GPS - CNN Press Room - CNN.com Blogs

RADOSLAW SIKORSKI, POLISH FOREIGN MINISTER:  Hello, Fareed.  Yes, that was a very tense moment and I think if the opposition hadn't supported the deal, Yanukovych's hand would have been strengthened and maybe his security operations would not have disintegrated.

And then what happened was something really strange.  Within minutes of us signing the agreement, the protection, the security forces, started leaving the vicinity of the presidential palace, which they didn't need to do, and the decompression of the regime started very quickly.

by Katrin on Mon Feb 24th, 2014 at 02:52:22 PM EST
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Ukraine peace deal negotiator & foreign minister of Poland Radek Sikorski on Fareed Zakaria GPS - CNN Press Room - CNN.com Blogs

And then what happened was something really strange.  Within minutes of us signing the agreement, the protection, the security forces, started leaving the vicinity of the presidential palace, which they didn't need to do, and the decompression of the regime started very quickly.

I too find this strange. Generally, state power breaks when failing to attack revolters or failing to protect symbolic places. But breaking after signing a compromise, that is new afaik. Did Yanukovych look to weak to somebody that decided to pull the plug? And who would that be, a security boss, an oligarch, some group in a smoke-filled room?

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Feb 24th, 2014 at 04:04:37 PM EST
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Meanwhile, anti-Maidan thugs copying the Pravy Sektor style made an appearance in Odessa:



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by DoDo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 06:38:39 PM EST
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Completely agree!

Replacing one bunch of oligarchs by an opposing group of oligarchs. See Bosnia today.

From the Party of Regions statement below:
"But attempts at total intimidation and lynching, to destabilize the situation in the regions is not acceptable in a democratic society."
Interesting end sentence ...

Parliament was under siege and the threats were made at the vigil where Klitschko was booed off the stage. The mob has spoken. See coverage in my two recent diaries:

Ukraine: Extremists Reject EU Deal, Demand Violent Overthrow
Ukraine's Holodomor of 1933 and the Maidan Revolution

The mobster you mentioned before - Aleksandr Musytschko - is a militiaman from the Una-Unso. He fought in Chechnya against the Russians and a group of 200 fighters fought with the Georgians to invade Ossetia in 2008.

Yesterday I watched a video report of a governor in Western Ukraine who was beaten up by a large crowd of "protestors" and then chained to a post. The mob demanded he sign a paper for his resignation, he refused. The video stopped.

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 09:31:44 AM EST
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A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 06:33:02 AM EST
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A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 07:09:00 AM EST
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Russia will not let Crimea go.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 10:47:23 AM EST
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Tatar/Russian is no good mix.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 10:55:10 AM EST
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Oh, fantastic.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 01:02:52 PM EST
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Ukraine MPs vote speaker interim president - live updates | World news | theguardian.com

The Ukrainian parliament has voted that Ukrainian is the only official language. Ethnic Russians make up 17 per cent of the population and more than 50 per cent in the Crimea where Russia's Black Sea fleet is based. Russia has a 20-year lease on its base of Sevastopol which must be renewed in three years.

Ukraine also has a small Muslim Tatar population of around 300,000, most of whom live in Crimea.

It's almost as if the nationalists want a split. Which is gonna be ugly, with no clear borders to split along.

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by DoDo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 07:09:49 AM EST
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Borders will by drawn by Putin's Russia, not by the fascist groups who battled the police in Kiev.
Ukraine's Southeast seeks to restore constitutional order, thousands gather in Kharkov

(Russia Today) - The public gathering of deputies from local councils of southeastern Ukraine have declared they are taking responsibility for constitutional order in the country, as thousands of people have assembled in the city of Kharkov.

"We, the local authorities of all levels, the Supreme Council of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, Sevastopol region decided to take responsibility for ensuring the constitutional order and the rights of citizens on their territory," their resolution said.

The Kharkov public gathering has announced a number of measures local authorities should take in response to the developments in Kiev. They should take full responsibility for all decision in respective regions with no regard to authorities in Kiev until the constitutional order in Ukraine is restored, a resolution of the gathering says.

They authorities should take measures to protect arms depots and prevent their take-over and looting by radical opposition activists. The deputies have criticized the decision adopted by the Parliament (Verkhovna Rada) in the last few days, saying they are raising doubts about its legitimacy.

The gathering says the legislative acts may have been passed involuntary and are neither legitimate nor lawful.  The recent decisions of the national parliament were taken in conditions "of terror, threats of violence and death," the resolution says.

 « click for analysis of Crimea crisis
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Meanwhile, citizens are encouraged to form local militias to protect public order. Local authorities are to fund and support those militias. The situation remains generally quiet with the crowd being partly in good spirits and partly subdued and concerned, Itar-Tass news agency reports from the Palace.

Over 10, 000 people have gathered at the city's Sport Palace, where a total of 3,477 deputies have been holding a meeting. "3, 477 deputies from local councils in southeastern Ukraine have gathered. We have gathered here not to separate the country, but to save it," the regional governor, Mikhail Dobkin, told the crowd.

The head of the Kharkov administration, Gennady Kernes, has called the public gathering "an attempt by qualified deputies from the east of the country to stabilize the situation." "My colleagues and I have been personally threatened. But today we have gathered to change the situation," he said. "We will not give in; we will fight till the end."

The statement has been echoed by Rada's Party of Regions deputy, Vadim Kolesnichenko, who also said that politicians are being threatened and "their families are basically hostages [of the situation]."

Russia sent several officials in the capacity of observers to the gathering, including Aleksey Pushkov, the head of Russian parliamentary commission on foreign affairs, Mikhail Markelov, Pushkov's counterpart in the Council of Federation, the upper chamber of the parliament, and several governors from regions in eastern Russia.

"The decisions taken here are positive and concrete. What is important is that everything voiced here was implemented in the interests of the Ukrainian people and the entire Ukraine. What Ukraine needs now is common sense and a survival instinct," said Evgeny Savchenko, Governor of Russia's Belgorod region, which borders Ukraine, commenting on the Kharkov gathering.

Partition Lines in Ukraine Sharpen as Crimean Russians Call for Separate "Malorossiya"



Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 09:38:32 AM EST
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This is how those "revolutionists" were "welcomed" in Eastern Ukraine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h_bRyNxYCM&feature=youtu.be

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 12:50:11 AM EST
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A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 02:15:47 PM EST
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A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 06:04:54 PM EST
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Ukraine: Tymoshenko freed as president denounces coup - live updates | World news | theguardian.com

Ukrainian opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko greets supporters from a car as she leaves the Central Clinical Hospital in Kharkiv, where she was being held under guard. Photograph: SERGEY KOZLOV/EPA

She's also reportedly running for President. IMHO this is a major change, inasmuch as her prominence may help to keep Svoboda and other fascists (who can now boast to have credit for the success of the revolution) at bay. Whether she would be able or willing to counter-act the dynamics of separation, is another thing.

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by DoDo on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 01:16:29 PM EST
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Sobovoda controls the parliament, has had one of their own appointed attorney general and their militia control security in Kiev. Are they going to give up power to Tymoshenko?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 01:23:28 PM EST
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Actually, the acting President is Oleg Turchynov who was elected to the Rada on Tymoshenko's list. So, yes, looks like Tymoshenko has the upper hand here.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 02:23:30 PM EST
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A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 02:24:44 PM EST
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IIRC the new interior minister is from Tymoshenko's group, too. But I'm thinking further ahead: the new elections.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 05:08:21 PM EST
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The FT leads its coverage with Yulia Tymoshenko...

FT.com: Yanukovich toppled in new Ukrainian revolution (February 22, 2014)

Yulia Tymoshenko, heroine of Ukraine's 2004 Orange Revolution, addressed thousands of Ukrainians in Kiev late on Saturday at the end of a momentous day that saw president Viktor Yanukovich ousted in the country's second revolution in 10 years.

Hours after being released from jail, Ms Tymoshenko told anti-government protesters not to leave the capital's central square, where many have camped for three months, until "people that you trust are in power".

"Until you complete everything to the very end, to the final step, no one must leave," said Ms Tymoshenko, who was jailed by her arch-rival Mr Yanukovich in 2011.



A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 05:48:58 PM EST
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Here is a statement by Ashton reminding everybody of the wisdom of our leaders. She calls "on all sides to continue engaging in a meaningful dialogue to fulfil the legitimate democratic aspirations of the Ukrainian people".
by Katrin on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 03:22:55 AM EST
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Empty boilerplate. Earlier some journo had complained thatDamned if you put out a statement, damned if you don't.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 07:56:20 AM EST
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Looks to me like Viviane Reding is speaking outside her brief, too...

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 07:59:26 AM EST
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Migeru:
The FT leads its coverage with Yulia Tymoshenko...
Well, Yulia Tymoshenko is a businesswoman, so of course she must lead according to the FT's worldview...
by Bernard on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 04:00:42 AM EST
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Watching western media it seems like nothing is happening there but have a look here

http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 09:28:11 AM EST
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I don't know which media you follow, but I followed similarly active live-blogging on several Western media, like at The Guardian.

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by DoDo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 09:40:27 AM EST
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Thank you for this link...it is informative...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:00:03 AM EST
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Interesting stuff...one can hardly imagine what can pass as "lawful" and Ukraine is teaching us...
One shouldn't ever wish for a revolution in his own country I suppose...
 The radical Right Sector group is seeking revenge against Russian journalist, Artyom Kola, reports the Rossiya 24 news channel. On their Facebook page, the radicals accuse the correspondent of the Vesti news program of "besmearing the Ukrainian people" and ask their supporters to arrest him.

Some reports suggest that the Right Sector is offering a 10,000 hryvnias ($1,100) reward for the journalist's head.
...11:33 GMT:

Parliament has given itself the authority to appoint and sack judges. It also fired the head of Ukraine's High Administrative Court, Igor Temkizhev.
11:27 GMT:

Parliament has nulled a Yanukovich-era law, which gave legal grounds for regional use of minority languages. The 2012 law allowed predominantly Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine to use Russian in official business, education and some other areas.

Its adoption was one of Yanokovich's election campaign points, as he promised to overturn the promotion of the Ukrainian language as the only one used in Ukraine by his predecessor, Victor Yushchenko.

The new authorities in Kiev have strong nationalistic leanings and view the Russian language as hostile towards Ukrainian national identity. (it doesn't matter that half of their citizens speak Russian .vbo)
...14:07 GMT:

Recently freed Yulia Tymoshenko has no plans to become the interim prime minister, according to several deputies in her Fatherland party.

"I have unofficial information that she doesn't have her sights set on the post," said party member Nikolay Tomenko. Another deputy Sergey Sobolev later confirmed it, saying that negotiations about the identity of the new head of government are still ongoing.

The former prime minister has already declared that she will run for president in May.


So Yulia is out (probably forced by same mob)...
Interesting times in front of Ukraine...
and yes this is great:

12:08 GMT:

The UK has warned Russia against intervening in Ukraine's "complex" crisis. According to the British Foreign Secretary William Hague, London wanted to contribute to an international economic program "aimed at shoring up the desperately difficult situation of the Ukrainian economy."

"If there's an economic package, it will be important that Russia doesn't do anything to undermine that economic package and is working in cooperation and support of it," Hague told BBC TV.  


So Russians should probably just send money and leave them alone...hahaha

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 09:42:11 AM EST
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A train from Kufstein to Munich lost power on the border. The driver asked the passengers to get out and push the train across the border, until the engine started running again. SZ:
Der Betreiber Meridian, ein Tochterunternehmen der Bayerischen Oberlandbahn (BOB) in Holzkirchen im Landkreis Miesbach, bestätigte nun entsprechende Medienberichte. Demnach war der nagelneue Zug vom Typ "Flirt" bereits am Montag mitten auf der Strecke liegengeblieben. Das Begleitpersonal bat daraufhin die Fahrgäste auszusteigen und den Zug anzuschieben.

Der Lokführer hatte nicht auf eine Diesellok warten wollen, die den Zug zur Oberleitung hätte schieben können. Tatsächlich schafften es die Passagiere mit vereinten Kräften, das tonnenschwere Gefährt so weit anzuschieben, bis es aus eigenem Antrieb wieder fahrbereit war. Die Elektronik hatte ausgerechnet auf einem sogenannten Streckentrenner gestreikt.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 04:35:36 PM EST
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he operator of Meridian, a subsidiary of Bayerische Oberland Bahn (BOB) in wooden churches in the district Miesbach, now confirmed corresponding media reports. Thus, the brand new train of type "Flirt" was on Monday left lying on the track in the middle. The accompanying staff then asked the passengers to get out and to move the train.

The driver did not want to wait for a diesel engine, which could push the train to the overhead line. In fact, they managed to passengers join forces so far as to push the ton vehicle until it was ready to ride again of their own accord. The electronics had calculated strike on a so-called section insulators.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 03:32:01 AM EST
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google translate having problems with this one

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 03:32:18 AM EST
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Summary with additional info: an electric multiple unit stopped due to a technical problem, but this happened just at the neutral section on the border. (A neutral section is a short section without voltage between two parts of a network with incompatible supply where trains normally roll through by momentum; there are only a couple of these on the autonomous railway electric network of German-speaking countries but several in countries where the railway network is linked to the grid.) Instead of requesting a shunter locomotive, the train driver called on passengers to push the train through by hand. This has been reported in the context of teething and service problems plaguing the new franchise operator of local trains between Munich and Salzburg, BOB, who now runs these mainline all-stopper trains under the service name Meridian. This company is a long-time operator of some diesel branchlines south of Munich, but is presently a subsidiary of private company Veolia Verkehr, which is itself a subsidiary of French local transport giant Transdev, which in turn is wholly owned by French financial company CDC.

Now I would have considered the pushing an adventure, not an affront, and suspect that many of those who participated thought the same way :-) I participated in something similar two decades ago: after a storm passed over a train I rode, I was among the half a dozen passengers who lifted a fallen tree from the tracks.

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by DoDo on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 07:04:03 AM EST
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which in turn is wholly owned by French financial company CDC

...which in turn is fully owned by the French state.

*Lunatic*, n.
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by DoDo on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 08:47:57 AM EST
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Caisse des dépôts et consignations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Caisse des Dépôts et Consignations (English: Deposits and Consignments Fund) is a French financial organization created in 1816, and part of the government institutions under the control of the Parliament.
by Bernard on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 09:04:44 AM EST
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This procedure was illegal, of course, and may have consequences (not to mention an excuse to take action against Meridian). My link also has a brief video, taken by someone who wasn't doing his job pushing.
Dennoch ist so ein Vorgang natürlich absolut inakzeptabel, wie Bahnexperten betonen. Fahrgäste dürften keineswegs auf freier Strecke auf den Gleisen herumturnen. Die Strecke Kufstein-Kiefersfelden ist stark befahren und zweigleisig - nicht auszudenken, wenn auf dem Gegengleis ein anderer Zug entlangrast. Die Bayerische Eisenbahngesellschaft hat die Oberlandbahn ,,unverzüglich zu einer Stellungnahme aufgefordert", wie BEG-Chef Johan Niggl erklärt. Die Sicherheit der Fahrgäste müsse Priorität haben. Genauso sieht es das Eisenbahnbundesamt. ,,Wir erwarten von der BOB umfassende Informationen zum Hergang des Geschehens und zu den daraus gezogenen Konsequenzen." Die Behörde werde dann ,,über das weitere Vorgehen entscheiden". Auf den Lokführer könnten juristische Konsequenzen zukommen - wegen gefährlichen Eingriffs in den Schienenverkehr.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 03:41:47 AM EST
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google translate

However, such a process is of course totally unacceptable, such as railway experts stress. Passengers should not do gymnastics on the open road on the tracks. The route Kufstein Kiefersfelden is heavily traveled and double track - imagine the consequences if hurtles along another train on the opposite track. The Bavarian Railway Company has Oberlandbahn, invited without delay to make a statement, "such as BEG-chief Johan Niggl explained. Passenger safety should be a priority. Equally it looks the Federal Railway Authority., We expect the BOB comprehensive information about the course of events and the consequences drawn. "The Authority will then, decide on the way forward "On the train driver could face legal consequences -. Because of dangerous interference in rail transport.


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 04:19:12 AM EST
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English-language coverage from In Serbia.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Feb 24th, 2014 at 03:30:19 PM EST
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 ECONOMY & FINANCE 


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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 01:59:05 PM EST
EUobserver / MEPs vote to abolish secret company ownership

BRUSSELS - A European Parliament vote on Thursday (20 February) to set up public registers to identify company owners has been hailed as ground-breaking by pro-transparency groups.

MEPs in the civil liberties and economic committees backed the European Commission's anti-money laundering directive but then added a public register provision to help crack open shell companies and trusts.

If this becomes actual legislation with teeth, it could be a truly major change.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 01:59:17 PM EST
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The shell companies ownership will simply move to one of dozens of offshore countries which resist such measures.

Now ap roper legislation would say that there should be stiff tax penalties for companies operating like this, but they'll do nothing

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 03:34:13 AM EST
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Nope: this regulation applies to off-shore companies, too, in fact it appears they are the main target.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 07:10:50 AM EST
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Now the City of London and George Osbourne will be screaming about this in 3...2....1...

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 10:35:59 AM EST
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One thing is certain. Defeatism in opposition to elite looting only insures its survival.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 10:45:35 AM EST
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EUobserver / MEPs back cap on credit card fees

BRUSSELS - MEPs have backed plans to cap card payment fees charged to shops by credit card giants Mastercard and Visa in a move aimed at saving €6 billion per year.

In a vote of the parliament's economic affairs committee on Thursday (20 February), deputies backed a proposal to limit the bank's fee for credit card payments at 0.3 percent of the transaction value.

They also set a cap of €0.07, or 0.2 percent of the transaction value, for debit card payments. The restrictions are to enter into force after one year and apply to both domestic and cross-border payments.



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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 01:59:27 PM EST
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Ireland sent to court for failing to comply with energy unbundling | EurActiv

The EU executive has set a deadline of this year to complete the regulatory framework for the single European energy market and is taking action against member states that have failed to implement existing legislation.

Ireland should have put the bloc's laws - including requirements to ensure those who own transmission networks do not also own the energy they carry - onto its statute books by March 2011, the Commission said a statement.

Ireland's Department of Energy said it expected to have most of the technical provisions of the law in place "as early as possible in 2014", but it was awaiting details from the commission about what measures need to be taken on unbundling.

I wonder what "competition" could arise on Ireland's isolated network.

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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:00:25 PM EST
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O ye of little faith.

Freedom™ will ring out and the market will provide.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 01:56:18 AM EST
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Welfare reforms survive court challenges on bedroom tax and cap | Politics | theguardian.com

The government's welfare shakeup has survived two legal challenges at the court of appeal after five disabled tenants failed in their attempt to get the bedroom tax declared unlawful and judges ruled against claims the £500-a-week cap on benefits violated the human rights of vulnerable families.

Another week of British "justice", together with the Miranda detainment decision.

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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:02:39 PM EST
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Steve Bell on Nick Clegg's welfare row with archbishop | Comment is free | The Guardian

© Steve Bell 2014


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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:02:54 PM EST
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France to set up state mining venture to secure minerals supply | Business News | DW.DE | 21.02.2014

The Socialist government in France was planning to invest up to 400 million euros ($548 million) over the next five to seven years in newly-established state-owned mining company Compagnie National des Mines de France (CMF), French industry minister Arnaud Montebourg announced Friday.

Speaking in an interview for French daily newspaper Le Parisien, Montebourg said the government considered the state as an intelligent economic actor serving the interests of the nation.

Montebourg also said CMF would prospect for resources in France, French overseas territories and elsewhere around the world, including Africa, Central Asia and South America.

Domestic industrial policy is one thing, and I would clap if it would be only that, but mines in the Third World are usually just colonialism by other means.

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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:04:17 PM EST
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Montebourg is a total dope.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 01:58:08 AM EST
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The track record of the majority of state mines is atrocious - in fact, I can't recall any state mine, mining whatever commodity, which managed to be and profitable and environmentally conscious and respectful to labour laws. I won't dismiss this venture on forehand - but the challenge is phenomenal.

Similar to DoDo, I'd suspect a firmer grasp on securing commodities from developing resource-rich nations as an underlying geolpolitical motivation.

by Bjinse on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:47:39 AM EST
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I suspect furthermore that this is mainly about securing uranium for the nuclear industry and military.

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by DoDo on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 01:22:17 PM EST
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Nope: that would be Areva.

Montebourg is having "rare earth" minerals, like lithium, in mind:

Montebourg confirme la « renaissance » d'une compagnie nationale des mines  Montebourg confirms the "renaissance" of a national mining company
Selon M. Montebourg, l'industrie minière n'appartient « absolument pas » au passé : « Nous recherchons du lithium par exemple, un métal fondamental pour les batteries des véhicules électriques. Avec notre nouvelle compagnie minière, nous protégerons nos intérêts nationaux ! »According to Mr. Montebourg, mining industry is "absolutely not" a thing of the past: " We are looking for lithium for instance, a fundamental metal for electric vehicles batteries. With our new mining company, we will protect our national interest ! "

And the first "southern" territory he has in mind is French Guiana, with Francophone Africa not far behind (Central Asia and South America coming up next):

« Elle accompagnera aussi l'exploitation du sous-sol de nos territoires d'outre-mer, comme en Guyane, où nous disposons de réserves d'or considérables et où sévit un orpaillage sauvage. Là-bas c'est la loi de la jungle dans le secteur minier.   "It will also accompany the exploitation of the subsoil of our overseas territories, such as Guyana, where we have considerable reserves of gold and where unlawful gold panning is rife. Over there, it's the law of the jungle in the mining sector.
Nous explorerons aussi le sous-sol d'autres pays. Les pays d'Afrique francophone, notamment, aimeraient travailler avec nous plutôt que d'avoir affaire à des multinationales étrangères. »  We will also explore other countries underground. The countries of Francophone Africa, among others, would rather work with us rather than having to deal with foreign multinationals"

by Bernard on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 04:41:04 PM EST
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Nope: that would be Areva.

My bad; I keep returning to the mistaken assumption that Areva is a private company...

BTW,

Areva - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The French State (including the shares owned by the CEA) owns more than 90%

Looking at the French Wiki:

Areva -- Wikipédia

Commissariat à l'énergie atomique et aux énergies alternatives (68,88 %)
État Français (14,33 %)
KIA (4,82 %)
CDC (3,32 %)
EDF (2,24 %)
Framépargne (0,23 %)
Total (0,95 %)
Public (4,04 %)
Auto-contrôle (1,2 %)

So Kuwait and some others are co-shareholders?

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by DoDo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 07:55:36 AM EST
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When it comes to nuclear matters, either military or civilian, nothing is truly "private". And yes, it appears that the Kuwait sovereign fund has a bit under 5% of Areva...
by Bernard on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 10:45:20 AM EST
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Bjinse:
I can't recall any state mine, mining whatever commodity, which managed to be and profitable and environmentally conscious and respectful to labour laws.

No mines are good for the environemnt, I do however think that government owned LKAB has not been worse then private owned mines in Sweden. Also profitable and respectful to labour laws, afaik. Strong union too, in 1994-2006 the union broke out of the local soc-dems and the rump soc-dems and the mining union party were the two major parties in the local elections.

Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se

by A swedish kind of death on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 03:27:23 PM EST
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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 06:48:37 PM EST
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After a first skimming, this puts Yellen in a good light.

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by DoDo on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 05:00:34 AM EST
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 WORLD 


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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:04:36 PM EST
EU-US trade talks seen dragging on until mid-2016 | EurActiv

Partners on both sides of the Atlantic have expressed hope to finish negotiations on the trade deal swiftly, perhaps even before the end of this year.

But experts argue this target is over-optimistic. "There is no evidence that they can get this done before [that date]," Bruce Stokes, director of the global economic program at the Washington-based Pew Research Center, told EurActiv.

The real deadline negotiators should focus on, Stokes said, "is whether they can get it done before the presidential elections in the US, in 2016."



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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:04:45 PM EST
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US psychologists' association rejects ban on aiding military interrogations | World news | theguardian.com

A longshot push to get the professional association of US psychologists to consider banning its members from providing aid to military interrogations failed on Friday, but gathered enough support to make supporters optimistic about a follow-on effort in August.

A resolution brought by University of Dallas psychologist Scott Churchill to add the interrogations ban to the agenda of the American Psychological Association's (APA) legislative body received the support of 53% of representatives to the group's biannual convention.

That didn't clear the two-thirds threshold required to add the proposed ban to the agenda for this weekend's conference. But the simple majority showing prompted Nadine Kaslow, the APA president, to express her openness to adding consideration of the proposed ban to the body's next meeting.

A laudable initiative; but I wish they did this a decade ago.

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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:05:16 PM EST
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The Breakthrough TV News is Ignoring: Iran's Uranium Stockpile falls below What would be Needed for Bomb | Informed Comment

US television newscasters have often slipped up and spoken of an Iranian nuclear "weapons program," even though no UN inspectors have found firm evidence of any such thing and Iran maintains that its program is for peaceful purposes.

Now that there is positive evidence of thorough Iranian cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency, US television news is ignoring a clear sign that Iran is hewing to the breakthrough agreement of last November. I'm saying this should be a headline on tv news but it is not:

Reuters reports that the International Atomic Energy Agency has confirmed that Iran is abiding by the commitments it made last November to mothball its enrichment of uranium to 19.25 percent for its medical reactor, to produce isotopes for treating cancer. Iran committed to ceasing enrichment to that level, sticking to enriching to 5 percent, the level needed for fuel for Iran's three Bushehr nuclear reactors.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 12:16:13 PM EST
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LIVING OFF THE PLANET
Environment, Energy, Agriculture, Food


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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:05:39 PM EST
David Cameron told better planning could have prevented some flooding | Environment | theguardian.com

Some of the damage caused by the recent flooding could have been prevented by better planning and land management, experts from 15 professional bodies have told David Cameron.

As the Met Office confirmed it has been the wettest winter on record, a group led by the Landscape Institute expressed concerns that the government's approach to flood management is too focused on short-term results.

In an open letter published in the Telegraph, they called for measures such as tree-planting to hold back water in the upper stages of a river and better protection for new homes on flood plains.

...The group is particularly worried about the political mood in favour of dredging, reversing advice from the Environment Agency, after David Cameron said the measure would be a critical part of flood management in future.

...In the same newspaper, Ed Balls, the shadow chancellor, promised Labour would take a longer-term view of flood management.



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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:05:49 PM EST
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The conservatives didn't dismantle government regulations so's they could then embark on government planning.

So I think that what is being suggested is unpossible

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 03:47:45 AM EST
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Fuel Fix » Tesoro bars federal safety agency from East Bay refinery

SAN FRANCISCO -- In an unprecedented challenge, Tesoro Corp. has barred federal authorities from going inside its refinery near Martinez to investigate an incident in which two workers were burned by acid spewing from a broken pipe, The San Francisco Chronicle has learned.

State officials ordered a partial shutdown of the Golden Eagle Refinery following the Feb. 12 incident after inspectors with California's workplace safety agency found numerous suspected safety violations, state officials said.

The investigators with Cal/OSHA went to the plant at 150 Solano Way in the unincorporated community of Pacheco when a pipe containing sulfuric acid burst, spraying the two workers in the face with the caustic chemical. The two were flown by helicopter to UC Davis Medical Center in Sacramento, where they were treated for first- and second-degree burns and released later that day.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 04:07:18 PM EST
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 LIVING ON THE PLANET 
 Society, Culture, History, Information 


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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:06:03 PM EST
Visiting Chinese pandas threaten to open old wounds in Di Rupo's Belgium | World news | The Guardian

A red carpet welcome awaits two distinguished Chinese visitors to Belgium on Sunday. Arriving at Brussels airport in a chartered Boeing 747, the couple and their entourage will be met on the tarmac by prime minister Elio Di Rupo, before being whisked to their new home: a zoo.

The two - male panda Xing Hui (which means Twinkling Star) and female Hao Hao (Cute) - are already celebrities in China. They already have their own Twitter feed and Hao Hao was last year China's favourite panda at the international Giant Panda Zoo Awards.

But their imminent arrival in Belgium has prompted an outbreak of political infighting, with Flanders grumbling that the country's oldest and most well-known zoo, in Antwerp, was deliberately snubbed by the French-speaking Di Rupo when he helped broker the deal to bring the pandas to Belgium.

The pandas will stay in the Pairi Daiza animal park near Mons, which happens to be the city where Di Rupo is still mayor. But Antwerp Zoo, founded in 1843 - just 13 years after Belgium's independence - insists its pedigree and prestige should have made it the first choice.



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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:06:14 PM EST
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Do pandas speak Flemish or French?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 02:05:08 AM EST
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Don't be such a cynic. They speak the international language of friendship.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Mon Feb 24th, 2014 at 08:03:45 AM EST
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Fraternité, in other words?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Feb 24th, 2014 at 08:36:17 AM EST
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Swiss court rules police officer's slurs did not breach anti-racism law | World news | theguardian.com

Calling someone a "foreign pig" or "dirty asylum seeker" is insulting but is not against Switzerland's anti-racism law, the country's top court has ruled.

The federal tribunal found in favour of a police officer who had used the slurs when he arrested an Algerian suspected thief.

The incident took place at a trade fair in the northern city of Basel in April 2007, where the Algerian was detained for allegedly snatching a Russian man's bag. After checking the suspect's identity papers, the policeman discovered that he was an asylum seeker and insulted him.



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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:06:46 PM EST
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DNA Analysis Shows Native Americans Had European Roots - SPIEGEL ONLINE

It must have been a pretty special child, otherwise the two-year old wouldn't have been buried in such a ceremonious manner. The boy was sprinkled with celebratory red dust and given distinctive stone artifacts for his last journey.

The characteristic fluting of the stone weapons serve as archeological evidence that the boy, who died some 12,600 years ago, came from the Clovis culture. It was one of the earliest New World groups, disappearing mysteriously a few centuries after the child's burial in present day Montana. From the summit of a hill towering over the burial site near the Yellowstone River, the boy's Ice Age contemporaries could monitor their hunting grounds for mammoth and bison.

Now a team of scientists led by the Danish geneticist Eske Willerslev has analyzed the boy's origins and discovered that he descends from a Siberian tribe with roots tracing back to Europe. Some of the boy's ancestors are likely even to have lived in present-day Germany.

Their findings go even further: More than 80 percent of all native peoples in the Americas -- from the Alaska's Aleuts to the Maya of Yucatan to the Aymaras along the Andes -- are descended from Montana boy's lineage.

The language is misleading and thus leaves out what should be the most important part of the findings. Some of his roots trace back to Europe, and the boy's lineage is a part of the genetic heritage of 80% of modern native peoples of the Americas. What this and a Siberian finding also mentioned in the article indicate is that the spread of humans was more complex than the branching of a tree: with significant mixing, even between distant populations, in prehistoric times already. (Similarly, in the tracer of the spread of humanity in the cultural sphere, linguistics, it would also be advisable to move away from thinking in trees.)

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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:13:43 PM EST
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Richard Branson insists he will be aboard first Virgin Galactic space flight | Science | The Guardian

Almost 700 people, including Tom Hanks and Angelina Jolie, have paid between £125,000 and £155,000 to book a two-hour journey on Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo, which would include a planned five minutes of weightlessness.

However, despite Branson's regular insistence that the first six-passenger flight is imminent - he has confidently announced it for more or less every year from 2007 - the service has completed only three test flights with a peak altitude of little more than 13 miles. To achieve the necessary US Federal Aviation Administration licence, the craft will need several tests at its full speed and 62-mile height.

The journalist and author Tom Bower, who has just published a biography of Branson, says he believes SpaceShipTwo's engine will need to be redesigned before it can achieve Branson's stated aims, making a full-blown space flight by autumn extremely unlikely.

"The rocket still hasn't flown at the required speed and to the required height," Bower said. "The point about his rocket is it's very primitive. He's burning rubber with nitrous oxide, and it's never been done before for that size of rocket.

"For the last 10 years he'd been trying to make it work for the extended rocket and it just isn't working. Where's the evidence he can make it work in the next six months?"

This is near the end of the article. Earlier, Branson is quoted with a boasting excuse for the delays, implying that it's because a private carrier has to be much safer than the government (that is, NASA with its 3% death rate). If that's not spurious enough, his boast is based on the shuttlecock re-entry aerodynamics of his spaceship. However, while the shuttlecock is safer in not requiring active steering, past deadly accidents upon re-entry weren't due to pilot error, but due to damage to the exterior – and SpaceShipTwo would stop being a shuttlecock and disintegrate if something would break, too.

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by DoDo on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 06:43:02 AM EST
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ON THIS DATE


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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:13:57 PM EST
22 February 1744 – in the Battle of Toulon, an outnumbered Spanish fleet and its French reinforcements defeat a British fleet, breaking British control of the Mediterranean and thereby prolonging the War of the Austrian Succession


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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:14:06 PM EST
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23 February 1944 – the Soviet Union launches Operation Lentil, the internal deportation of the entire Chechen and Ingush population from their homes in the Caucasus to Central Asia


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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:14:26 PM EST
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 PEOPLE AND KLATSCH 


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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:15:06 PM EST
Yuna Kim fans demand inquiry into 'corrupt' Sochi figure skating scores | Sport | theguardian.com

At the end of a flawless performance, it seemed that nothing could come between Yuna Kim and her bid to become only the third woman to win back-to-back Olympic gold medals in figure skating.

But Kim, the undisputed darling of South Korean sport, and the millions of her compatriots who had stayed up into to the early hours to watch her decisive long programme at the Sochi Olympics on Thursday, had not reckoned with the sport's opaque, and controversial, scoring system.

...South Korean skating fans immediately cried foul play. "Queen Yuna," they said, had been denied the gold that was rightfully hers by questionable judging and the looming presence of the Russian leader, Vladimir Putin.

As of Friday, more than 1.5 million of them had signed an online petition demanding an inquiry into Kim's shock defeat. The petition could end up breaking change.org records - previous most-signed campaigns have included Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin's successful attempt bring the man who shot their son, Trayvon Martin, to court (2.3m signatures) and a protest against YouTube and Google (4.3m).

I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of the second Skategate the sport will finally be expunged from the Olympics...

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by DoDo on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 02:15:25 PM EST
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Any activity which requires marks for artistic interpretation isn't a sport

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 03:50:44 AM EST
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Alternatively, anything you could do while chewing gum isn't a sport, which will disqualify baseball, softball, and cricket.
by Sargon on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 04:11:32 AM EST
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I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of the second Skategate the sport will finally be expunged from the Olympics

And ski jumping and half pipe and aerials and Nordic combined, I guess...
by Sargon on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 04:08:58 AM EST
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Yep, why not ? It's all overloaded bunk. Highest, fastest, strongest, furthest

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 06:07:27 AM EST
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Here are two judges congratulating Sotnikova after her performance. That is a little too overt...


by das monde on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 04:03:53 PM EST
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The same corruption-prone judging mechanics (and the same recurring scandals) is found in figure skating, gymnastics, diving, and synchronized swimming.

Fencing is infamous for the rigging of competitions, and other combat sports such as boxing, wrestling, judo and taekwondo (and karate, but that's not olympic) where you can win on points, are also prone to corrupt judging.

And the structures of the sports federations are intensely political and corruption-prone. Football and Chess have also been famously corrupt on that side.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 05:10:10 AM EST
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Anything upon which wagers can be placed should be presumed to be corruptible, and thus deserving special attention. Horse racing leaps to mind.

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by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:07:31 AM EST
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The IOC is not in the business of expunging showhorses. They will keep going as long as it attracts viewers. They tried to get rid of the deadhorse wrestling but thanks to Putin one of the originals has been retained. Now, skating itself will maybe have a problem in between olympics but that's a given. Ratings are going down, the sport is dying with the point inflation and the quantum physics of rating.

There is another thing. The IOC and its happy world festival is dying a slow death too. The olympic ideal has been dead for a long time. What has been surviving is the olympic ideology, which if you look at it closely is more like scientology with a higher pulse rate. This ideology of a better world and world peace through sports is held up to legitimize one of the bigger entertainment products and its outrageous subsidies drawn from taxpayers. The ideology allows all participants to misunderstand the nature of the event and their roles in it.

Primarily the olympics are a scam and they have been able to go on for so long only because of their purported ideals which in turn draw in the viewers which in turn draw in the sponsors. Fair competition? We know they're all doped. Unpolitical? Only as long it is about 'world peace' bullshit and happy faces. The Ukranians (or Norwegians) are not allowed to wear black ribbons but as soon as they win it's all about the redeeming power of sports.

The founding reason, taking a break from war, was political and still almost everything about the olympics is political. It's about national prestige and in this particular example a spearhead for Putin's strategy of national champions, be they oil and gas conglomerates or sporting figures. If those ugly realities (especially the perverse circumstances of this particular event) intrude upon the IOC and its new president, the very idea that the olympics are political are strenuously rejected, the political power of the olympics are underplayed ('We can't do more than the politicians.') and also overvalued ('It's only because of us that all the focus is on Russia and its problems, blablabla...').

IOC President Bach's huffing and puffing about politicians sending messages on the backs of politicians is especially funny. Aren't politicians supposed to finance the whole scam out of state coffers for the good of the world? Arent't they supposed to attend, applaud and lend legitimacy and glamour to the whole thing? He is either hypocritical, psychotic, or, most likely, has succumbed to the olympic ideology, i.e. he believes in his own propaganda - as IOC members are wont to do.

Now one of the premier outlets of the attention economy, the olympics serve as a traveling debutante ball of international politics. Host states can, after outbidding the competition at an auction, show to the world that they are politically, technically, and economically able to execute a very expensive event. Thereby they can show that they have arrived in the First [or Second] World ('Please respect us. Please respect us...').

The modern olympic idea died at the same hands that killed it in antiquity. After the death of the olympic utopia, the IOC and its events can go on for decades until everyone has had a taste of it (not unlike a traveling prostitute). What I hope for is that it will never take place on Western soil again, at least not under these conditions.

Schengen is toast!

by epochepoque on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:28:25 PM EST
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great rant...

epochepoque:

Primarily the olympics are a scam and they have been able to go on for so long only because of their purported ideals which in turn draw in the viewers which in turn draw in the sponsors. Fair competition? We know they're all doped.

we are fascinated as humans by the sight of others of our same species throwing everything they have into excelling in a moment of glory, even if it kills the athlete, slowly or swiftly. a blood-spectator sport, more refined than the Colosseum version, but not that different. we all know we have to risk sometimes on life's great trapeze and we know we need all the energy we can muster to make it. seeing athletes stretching their efforts to breaking point embodies the physicality of aspiration, method actors really into their roles.

then there's the social aspect where the guy from some backwoods village in kenya is fleet enough to become famous, we love the rags to riches thing instinctively, rooting for guts and drive in underdogs.

the political aspect is totally off-putting and the nationalistic showboating pointless and depressing.

massive waste of energy, especially as these giant stadia become white elephants after the events. i remember seeing on tv how it cost the greek gvt 42m E a year to keep up the buildings but they could not attract feature big enough to fill them, unable to find any other useful purpose for these behemoths.

that's a lot of kebab! all that effort could have been much better used.

big fat contracts going to the 'right' people, lots of corruption, a mischief-magnet.

your comment was right on so many points, the whole olympic scam should be scrapped asap, yet another case of giantism gone horribly wrong...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 01:58:50 PM EST
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The Olympics organization is still the standard of perfection for this planet. Persistent glitches, judging incidents, corporatization and signs of corruption may symbolize well the limits of what this wave of civilization is achieving. It is the kind of wave top described here:

And that, I think, was the handle -- that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting -- on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave.

. . .

So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark -- that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.

― Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas: A Savage Journey to the Heart of the American Dream

by das monde on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 03:47:52 PM EST
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Speedskating at Sochi: it's all about the Dutch

"I really didn't think we could be this good," said Sven Kramer, who won two golds and a silver. "It surprises me, too."

Clearly, everyone else has a lot of work to do between now and 2018 just to catch up, particularly former powerhouses such as the United States, Germany and Norway.

The results were so lopsided that International Skating Union President Ottavio Cinquanta told The Associated Press that he will push for a special investigation into why the other teams weren't competitive: "Somebody is sleeping, is not working enough."



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 12:12:12 PM EST
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For the Dutch, the Orange brigade had its most successful result ever, a 5th place with 8 Gold - 7 Silver - 8 Bronze. Russia finished on top and USA took 4th by count of Gold medals. Russia kept its promise keeping the Olympic Village secure from terror attack coming from within [Caucasus] or from foreign sources [Al Qaeda].

Enjoy the Q&A interview on CNBC with one of the Dutch success coaches ...



Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 02:17:30 PM EST
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I haven't seen any mention of doping in these Olympics. Perhaps it's finally gone away?

Oh and did anyone else catch the cross-country long-distance race on Sunday morning, where Russians claimed gold, silver and bronze?

(No connection between the above two paragraphs is implied)

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by eurogreen on Mon Feb 24th, 2014 at 08:23:50 AM EST
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Nicklas Bäckström failed a doping test | OS 2014 | Senaste nytt | Expressen - Allt om OS i Sotji 2014

Nicklas Bäckström missed out on the Olympics gold medal game against Canada.

Sweden's national Olympic committee confirms that the center forward star has tested positive for a banned substance.

- We know it's because of an allergy medicine he has been using for seven years, press officer Björn Folin tells SportExpressen.se.

Though the NHL is fighting back on that one. It appears to not be a clear cut case, as the medicine is allowed, and he is allergic and has it prescribed, but has tested to high. (Though my sources can be way biased on this, hockey is running damage reduction PR a lot and I am not really that interested.)

From outside Sweden there is this:

Sochi Olympics: Johannes Duerr becomes fifth athlete to fail doping test - latimes.com

SOCHI, Russia -- Austrian cross-country skier Johannes Duerr was kicked out of the Sochi Olympics on Sunday after testing positive for EPO. It is the fifth doping case -- and most serious so far -- at the Winter Games.

"It is a black day for us," Austrian Olympic Committee President Karl Stoss said at a news conference on the final day of the games.

Sochi Olympics: Johannes Duerr becomes fifth athlete to fail doping test - latimes.com

None of the five athletes won medals in Sochi. The other four were: Latvian hockey player Vitalijs Pavlovs, Ukrainian cross-country skier Marina Lisogor, German biathlete Evi Sachenbacher-Stehle and Italian bobsledder William Frullani.

And that last part is why I think there has been little media about it. No medals withdrawn and such.

Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se

by A swedish kind of death on Mon Feb 24th, 2014 at 09:14:06 AM EST
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Those who get caught are the stupid ones or cannot afford professional help.

Schengen is toast!
by epochepoque on Mon Feb 24th, 2014 at 01:48:51 PM EST
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A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 22nd, 2014 at 07:03:03 PM EST
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He studied for years to enable him to bring such insight to his writing.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 04:18:17 AM EST
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Bayer Pharmaceutical CEO: Cancer drug only `for western patients who can afford it' | The Raw Story

In an interview with Bloomberg Businessweek, Bayer CEO Marijn Dekkers said that his company's new cancer drug, Nexavar, isn't "for Indians," but "for western patients who can afford it."

The drug, which is particularly effective on late-stage kidney and liver cancer, costs approximately $69,000 per year in India, so in March 2012 an Indian court granted a license to an Indian company to produce to the drug at a 97 percent discount.

Bayer sued Natco Pharma Ltd., but in March of last year, the High Court in Mumbai denied its appeal. Bayer CEO called the compulsory license issued by the Indian court "essentially theft," then said "[w]e did not develop this medicine for Indians...[w]e developed it for western patients who can afford it."



'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Feb 23rd, 2014 at 08:27:20 AM EST
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