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Regime Change In Ukraine – Who Bugged Nuland, An Embarrassment

by Oui Fri Feb 7th, 2014 at 04:37:39 AM EST

[Update] Title change from "Obama Style Regime Change In Ukraine - Nuland: 'Fuck the EU'" due to addition intelligence sourcing in posts below.

Her words won't be broadcast in the USA due to filter of cuss words. Other nations can hear the leaked audio tape from Russian NSA - АНБ or WikeLeaks KBG style or whatever ...

Ukraine leak designed to 'split' EU-US diplomacy

(EU Observer) Feb. 6, 2014 - The publication of what seem to be two sensitive US and EU diplomatic conversations on Ukraine is designed to spoil relations between the allies, EU diplomatic sources say.

The items were uploaded on YouTube by a user called "Re Post" on Tuesday (4 February) and already have several thousand clicks each.

In the alleged US audio clip, which appears to date to Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovych's offer of top jobs to opposition MPs on 25 January, Victoria Nuland, a senior US state department official, is speaking to Geoffrey Pyatt, the US ambassador to Ukraine.

They bat around ideas on which of the MPs should be Prime Minister in an interim government.

Nuland notes that she wants a UN diplomat to go to Kiev to seal an accord on the US-model cabinet.

"So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and have the UN help glue it and, you know, fuck the EU," she says.

"Oh exactly, and I think we've got to do something to make it stick together, because you can be sure that if it does start to gain altitude the Russians will be working behind the scenes to torpedo it," Pyatt replies.

In the alleged EU clip, a senior EU foreign service official, Helga Schmid, speaks in German to Jan Tombinski, the EU ambassador to Ukraine.

The EU clip appears to date to 31 January, when EU foreign service chief Catherine Ashton put out a statement on tortured Ukrainian activist Dmytro Bulatov. [The Independent: Dmytro Bulatov 'kidnapped, tortured and left to die']

Schmid says: "The Americans are going around telling people we're too weak while they are tougher on sanctions. I talked to Cathy [Ashton] about what we have already discussed and she is on the same page: We have to do it [impose sanctions] but we have to prepare it in a very clever manner. But what you should know is that it really bothers us that the Americans are going around naming and shaming us - this is what several journalists have told us. Maybe you can speak to the US ambassador?"

She adds: "We have just issued a very strong statement on Bulatov and we are going in that direction [sanctions]. We just don't want to advertise it too loudly because we think it's more effective this way. It annoys me when the press is reporting that the EU is not on the side of freedom."

Tombinski replies: "We are not in a race who is the toughest. We have other instruments."

Schmid notes: "I don't want that Cathy is put in a corner - this can hurt, politically. This doesn't work and Cathy will speak to [US secretary of state] Kerry about it."

The US state department declined to comment, while Ashton's spokespeople could not be reached on Thursday.

German government calls Nuland's EU slur 'absolutely unacceptable'

Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovych meets US envoy Victoria Nuland ... below the fold.

Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovych meets US envoy Victoria Nuland

(RFERL) - Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych has told a visiting U.S. envoy that he is open to talks with the opposition and is in favor of constitutional reform -- one of the key demands of the pro-EU protests. But Yanukovych reportedly told U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland that amending the constitution must follow legal steps.

The president's website said such steps would involve the Constitutional Court and further hearings in parliament. Yanukovych was quoted as saying that "It is only through dialogue and compromise that we can carry the country out of this political crisis."

The website said Yanukovych also told Nuland he backed moves to speed up the process of releasing activists detained in the civil unrest. Yanukovych has supported a law that offers amnesty for detainees only on condition that occupied public buildings are cleared of protesters.

 « click for NRC as source [h/t]
Nuland: "I have a message from president Obama, you are on the way out and Klitschko will be your replacement." [parody]

Yanukovych later left Ukraine to attend the Winter Olympic Games in Sochi, Russia. He is expected to have talks there with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Nuland earlier on February 6 met with Ukrainian opposition leaders in a bid to end the standoff between the government and antigovernment protesters. Nuland -- who is on a two-day visit to Ukraine -- held talks with Vitali Klitschko, Arseniy Yatsenyuk [rants against gay marriage!], and Oleh Tyahnybok.

The talks came as some 2,000 thousand protesters marched to the parliament to demand that legislators amend the constitution. Marchers were carrying a banner reading, "We are tired of waiting."

Germany Grooming Klitschko to Lead Ukraine and role Konrad Adenauer Foundation

U.S. State Department Jen Psaki Spokesperson in Daily Press Briefing

MS. PSAKI: Mm-hmm.

QUESTION: -- let's go to the real fire, or what seems to be the real fire at the moment, and which is Ukraine.
MS. PSAKI: Mm-hmm.

QUESTION: And so before we get into the actual substance of this conversation, this call that was recorded and released, can you say whether you - if this call is an authentic recording of an authentic conversation between Assistant Secretary Nuland and Ambassador Pyatt?
MS. PSAKI: Well, I'm not going to confirm or outline details. I understand there are a lot of reports out there and there's a recording out there, but I'm not going to confirm private diplomatic conversations.

QUESTION: So you are not saying that you believe this is a - you think this is not authentic? You think this is a --
MS. PSAKI: That's not an accusation I'm making. I'm just not going to confirm the specifics of it.

QUESTION: Well, you can't even say whether there was this call - that you believe that this call - you believe that this recording is a recording of a real telephone call?
MS. PSAKI: I didn't say it was inauthentic. I think we can leave it at that.

QUESTION:Okay. So you're allowing for the - you're allowing the fact that it is authentic.
MS. PSAKI: Yes. Do you have a question about it?

QUESTION: Yes, okay. Yes, I do --
MS. PSAKI: Okay.

QUESTION: -- now, once we get into it. Quite apart from the colorful language that is used in reference to the European Union, the conversation appears to - well, doesn't appear to suggest, it does - the conversation shows that the United States certainly has - or at least officials within the U.S. Government have certain opinions about certain Ukrainian opposition leaders and others. And I'm wondering how that squares with your repeated insistence that every - all of this is up to the Ukrainians to decide themselves.
MS. PSAKI: It's not inconsistent in the least bit. It is no secret that Ambassador Pyatt and Assistant Secretary Nuland have been working with the Government of Ukraine, with the opposition, with business and civil society leaders to support their efforts, and it shouldn't be a surprise that at any point, there have been discussions about recent events and offers and what is happening on the ground. And as you know, Assistant Secretary Nuland is on the ground right now continuing our efforts in that regard.

It remains the case that it is up to the Ukrainian people themselves to decide their future. It is up to them to determine their path forward, and that's a consistent message that we're conveying publicly and privately.

Euro 2012 Soccer Championship Stirs Up the Ghost of Anti-Semitism

(Geocurrents) June 19, 2012 - Like the upcoming London Olympics this year and the planned Sochi Olympics in 2014, the Euro 2012 has attracted worldwide attention to a political topic seemingly unrelated to soccer: anti-Semitism and the Holocaust.

But for some Jews living in Euro2012 host cities, especially in Ukraine, anti-Semitism is alive and kicking. As pointed out by Efraim Zuroff of The Times of Israel, Lviv is the capital of Ukrainian ultranationalism, historically linked with anti-Semitism. The names of Bohdan Khmelnytsky and Stepan Bandera are associated not only with Ukrainian nationalist movement but also with mass killings of Jews. Khmelnytsky was the nationalist leader of the Cossack uprising against Polish rule in Ukraine in 1648. Though his primary aim was to establish an autonomous Ukraine, he also aimed at eradicating Jews from the country.

Svoboda (“Freedom”) party, originally known as the Social-National Party, which is rooted in Nazi collaboration. Svoboda is now the largest party on Lviv city council and in the regional council. It has taken power in other major urban centers of western Ukraine, including Ternopil and Ivano-Frankivsk. In October 2012.

See my earlier diary - Failure Looms As McCain Visits Kiev This Weekend  Dec. 15, 2014.

Patriots of Ukraine

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Flag with first party logo (1991-2003), with the letters I and N standing for "Idea of the Nation" resembling Nazi swastika - Source: Wikipedia - Svoboda Party Ukraine

So, how's it gone for the USA in Ukraine? Predictably, they've messed it right up. US Ambassador to Ukraine is Geoffrey Pyatt, and the kindest thing you could say about Geoff, who began his diplomatic career in Honduras [1990-1992], would be that he's third rate. Geoff took the US party line early on - back the opposition no matter what. And he's stuck to that fervently - scanning through his screeds of tweets shows only one mention of Molotov cocktails.

Despite the many thousands thrown at Ukrainian police, the one time Geoff has chosen to retweet is a picture of Ukrainian police holding them, with a caption that they were now using them, but with no evidence that was ever the case. More, it's a retweet of opposition activist Maxim Eristavi, with whom Geoff has been enjoying a rather nauseating bromance, including giving Eristavi his own, stomach-churning, Marilyn Monroe, Mr Ambassador moment.

[Source: Blogger Brit In Ukraine]

'Sapere aude'
by Oui (Oui) on Fri Feb 7th, 2014 at 05:50:34 AM EST
Such charming folks here.

"Pravy Sektor has proved its loyalty to the ideals of freedom," Yarosh says. "Now we needed to present this movement as a source of leadership." In any kind of fair election, that would be nearly impossible. Pravy Sektor's ideology borders on fascism, and it enjoys support only from Ukraine's most hard-line nationalists, a group too small to secure them a place in parliament. But taking part in the democratic process is not part of Yarosh's strategy. "We are not politicians," he says in his office, a pack of Lucky Strikes and a walkie-talkie on the table in front of him, while a sentry in a black ski mask and bulletproof vest stands by the door. "We are soldiers of the national revolution." His entire adult life has been spent waiting for such a revolution to "steer the country in a new direction, one that would make it truly strong, not dependent on either the West or the East.....In his interview with TIME, Yarosh, whose militant brand of nationalism rejects all foreign influence over Ukrainian affairs, revealed for the first time that Pravy Sektor has amassed a lethal arsenal of weapons. He declined to say exactly how many guns they have. "It is enough," he says, "to defend all of Ukraine from the internal occupiers" -- by which he means the ruling government -- and to carry on the revolution if negotiations with that government break down.

Can we please recognize that non-violent revolution often ends up being anything but, and give up the penchant for regime change?

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Fri Feb 7th, 2014 at 07:32:59 AM EST
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As soon as the Sochi Olympics are over and Putin's hands are free ...

In Kyiv, Nuland discusses leaked phone call, dismisses Russian accusations as 'complete fantasy'

(KiyvPost) - Nuland said she also attempted to help "bring to a moderate center" the opposition and the government, and said the U.S. is promoting the idea of a "national technical government that many in Ukraine have called for."

"We believe that it's still possible, we believe it's urgently necessary," she said. She reiterated that U.S. government was prepared to support such a government, including financially, provided it showed commitment to economic reform and was prepared to cooperate with the International Monetary Fund and improve Ukraine's track record on human rights.

She said the U.S. government also continues "frank and comradely conversations with Russia" about Ukraine, whose prosperity, she said, was in both nations' common interests.

But Sergei Glazyev, Russian President Vladimir Putin's adviser, said in an interview with Kommersant newspaper on Feb. 6 that federalization of Ukraine was in Russia's interests. Some in Ukraine believe that it's a code word for the breakup of the country.

Glazyev also said Ukraine's government should use force to disperse protesters on EuroMaidan, because they are attempting a coup, and accused the U.S. government of interfering in Ukraine's affairs by arming demonstrators and funding them to the tune of $20 million a week.

He said that Yanukovych and Ukrainian oligarchs are not taking strong action because they are cowed by Western threats "to add them into the blacklist with the seizure of all assets, accounts and confiscation of property."

Kremlin aide accuses the United States of arming Ukrainian "rebels" in a planned coup.

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Feb 7th, 2014 at 09:58:57 AM EST
US makes light of 'curse words' on EU

A state department spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, on Thursday (6 February) indirectly confirmed the authenticity of the audio clip, posted on YouTube, in which its top official on Europe, Victoria Nuland, says "fuck the EU." [Ms. Nuland was hired by Secretary Clinton and is former spokeswoman for VP Cheney]

Psaki told press Nuland "has been in contact with her EU counterparts, and of course, has apologised."

With Nuland taking aim at EU ineffectiveness on Ukraine, Psaki noted: "In every diplomatic relationship where you have small frustrations, where you agree, you disagree, you work through the issues, you talk about what the best step to take is."

She added, in a joke, the expletive reflects Nuland's personality rather than a "pervasive [US] viewpoint."

"You all know Toria pretty well. You may know the story of how she lived on a Russian boat for about eight months when she was 23, and she learned how to perfect perhaps certain words ... Russian curse words and curse words on the fishing boat," Psaki said.

US media also had fun.

    "Is it going to be the new rallying cry of the [European] bureau or of the state department itself? ... Are you going to get t-shirts made with this phrase on it?" one reporter asked the US spokeswoman.

Psaki and her White House counterpart, Jim Carney, said they have no evidence of who bugged Nuland, but blamed Russia anyway.

    [Bloomberg] - While saying the U.S. doesn't know who recorded the call or posted it, Psaki said an aide to Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin was the first to draw attention to it in a posting on Twitter. The aide, Dmitry Loskutov, tweeted in English: "Sort of controversial judgment from Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland speaking about the EU."
Carney noted: "I would say that since the video was first noted and tweeted out by the Russian government, I think it says something about Russia's role."

Originally posted on twitter by Spartak Sergiewich on Feb. 4th with title: Puppets Maidan [Source: Ukrainian State mouthpiece masked by Anonymous! @dissident-ua(dot)org]

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Feb 7th, 2014 at 12:19:47 PM EST
Following dns/whois and tracer route of dissident-ua.org, webhosting seems located in New York.

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Feb 7th, 2014 at 12:45:01 PM EST
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There's so much monitoring of communications going on, that of course it can backfire, and Internet is the ideal echo chamber (the chutzpah of claiming "private" status for the Nuland conversation is astonishing).

So, oops, we see the reality of the State Department's posture towards Europe: EU leaders are expected to be vassals, but when they're not diligent enough, fuck them. And then follow protests from, among others, the German government.

Meanwhile, the real work goes on unimpeded by this kabuki.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Feb 8th, 2014 at 04:02:10 AM EST
NSA Maintains Secret "Five Eyes" Satellite Facility in Israel

Excellent article and I understood the installation was on the Golan Heights. The press talks about the "Five Eyes" but in recent revelations it's clear there are "Nine Eyes" around the world and part of Echelon. The Dutch satellite discs are located in the rural area of Burum, intelligence agency is called National Sigint Organisation (NSO). Amsterdam and The Netherlands play a major role not only in Echelon, but also in NSA snooping of Internet [major hub] and telecom. The Dutch have Israel's Verint as official corporation to register "official" telephone taps. I have written about its illegality before.

In a recent Al Jazeera documentary about the failed Mossad assassination on Khaled Meshaal in Jordan, it was revealed a major Mossad intelligence hub was located in Amsterdam. The Israeli Mossad has a Free Zone in El Al hangars at Schiphol airport, see the crash of Boeing 747 freightliner El Al flight LY1862 with sarin gas precursors in 1992.

From the Snowden papers, NSA "feeds" raw data to Israëli intelligence. Would that be Unit 8200 in conjunction with another spy agency? The NSA feeding raw data to Unit 8200, may have fed the mobile phone bug in the Ukraine. Israel was keen on releasing the data because of EU and US support for fascists and neo-nazi parties in opposition. The press release of Nuland's bug in the social media was through an organizition using the Anonymous logo with their website hosting located in New York FWIW.

My earlier report about Dutch phone taps - Dutch with 42k Internet/Phone Taps per Year by Verint.

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Feb 9th, 2014 at 01:46:32 PM EST
Corr. not Mt. Hermon (Golan Heights), but indeed the Negev desert ...

Israel's most important SIGINT station at Urim base   by New Zealand's Nicky Hager

Israel's Urim base in the Negev desert is among the most important and powerful intelligence gathering sites in the world. Yet, until now, its eavesdropping has gone entirely unmentioned.

Israel's powerful position in the Middle East is often associated with its armed forces, nuclear weapons arsenal or covert (Mossad) operatives. But just as important is its intelligence gathering - monitoring governments, international organisations, foreign companies, political organisations and individuals. Most of this happens at the installation in the Negev a couple of kilometres to the north of the kibbutz of Urim. Our sources, close to Israeli intelligence, know the base first-hand. They describe lines of satellite dishes of different sizes, and barracks and operations buildings on both sides of the road (the 2333) that leads to the base. High security gates, fences and dogs protect the facility. As you can see on the internet, the satellite images of the base are quite clear. A practised eye easily discerns the signs of an electronic surveillance base. A large circle in the farmland shows the site of a direction-finding antenna (HF/DF) for monitoring shipping.

The Urim base was established decades ago to monitor Intelsat satellites that relay phone calls between countries. It expanded to cover maritime communications (Inmarsat), then rapidly targeted ever more numerous regional satellites. As such, says intelligence specialist Duncan Campbell, it is "akin to the UK-USA pact's Echelon satellite interception ground stations". The Echelon System is a network of interception stations around the world, set up in 1996 by the US, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Satellite phones used by the Gaza-bound aid ships were easy targets for this hi-tech equipment.

Our Israeli sources described how the computers are "programmed to detect words and phone numbers of interest" from intercepted phone calls, emails etc, then transferred to Unit 8200 - the headquarters of Israeli signals intelligence - in the city of Herzliya, north of Tel Aviv. There they are translated and passed on to other agencies, including the army and Mossad.

[See also website of Nicky Hager]

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Feb 9th, 2014 at 01:48:54 PM EST
Interesting to watch, I hope it is available outside The Netherlands ...

Dutch interview Ronen Bergman and Danny Yatom [8:22 min]

The two Israeli corporations are Verint (since 2013 Comverse) and Narus (since 2010 a Boeing subsidiary) have a joint cooperation with NSA to intercept telephone and other communication channels, and as supplier of hardware and software. Both Verint and Narus possess in-house technology developed by the Israeli Army (IDF). Verint was founded by former intelligence officers and have direct ties with the government. [Both companies have R&D with NSA and are closely involved with building and operations of the new data center for the NSA in the shadow of Utah's Wasatch Range]

Close ties

The intelligence network has close ties especially between Israel and the US. Most likely Mossad exchanges intelligence with NSA on a global scale. The Israeli intelligence has a 'backdoor' to NSA material: raw espionage data that includes intelligence on US citizens exploited by the ISNU, Israel's Sigint National Unit.

Shady Companies With Ties to Israel Wiretap the U.S. for the NSA

Posted earlier @Tikun Olam - NSA Maintains Secret "Five Eyes" Satellite Facility in Israel.

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Feb 9th, 2014 at 01:51:23 PM EST
I had missed this event completely ...

Greece scandal: phone-tapping Olympics via US Embassy - 2006

John Brady Kiesling is a former American diplomat who distinguished himself by becoming one of the very few US diplomats of notable rank, who resigned ahead of the US invasion of Iraq.

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Feb 9th, 2014 at 01:52:22 PM EST
My comment to BooMan's fp story - A Confusing Episode in Ukraine.

I just listened to a live broadcast of the speeches before a large crowd at Independence Square in Kiev. I just made a diary entry here @BooMan - Ukraine: Extremists Reject EU Deal, Demand Violent Overthrow.

A subdued crowd listened to opposition leader and Western favorite son Klitschko who got a luke warm response. The right-wing extremist leader took the stage and in fascist style brought the crowd to an uproar. He set a deadline for president Yanukovich resignation by 10am tomorrow morning or he will move a armed mob to the presidential palace and force his dismissal. Many months ago, the protests turned violent and has all the properties of a revolution: agitators in the crowd and propaganda war with support of Western media. Ukraine's Russian speaking eastern part will be loyal to Russia and listen to Putin's propaganda.

See my earlier diary -  Regime Change In Ukraine - Who Bugged Nuland, An Embarrassment plus a desription of some right-wing fascists leaders who entertained John McCain during his visist to Kiev. Just checking whether US Congress' money from the NGO NED and USAID's $1 billion were well spend.

From the photo-op with McCain in Kiev, I now recognise the fascist leader who rejected the EU deal and threatened to march on the presidential palace tomorrow morning: Andriy Tyagnybok from Svoboda party.

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Feb 21st, 2014 at 03:26:46 PM EST

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