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by ARGeezer Fri Apr 18th, 2014 at 10:39:38 AM EST

Ukraine: Is Obama Channeling Cheney?  Yves Smith

In this Real News Network report, Michael Hudson discusses the news blackout in the US as far as critical developments in the Ukraine are concerned, and how the distortions and gaps in reporting exceed those in the runup to the Iraq War. From the top of the interview:

   Late last week, the German television program ARD Monitor, which is sort of their version of 60 Minutes here, had an investigative report of the shootings in Maidan, and what they found out is that contrary to what President Obama is saying, contrary to what the U.S. authorities are saying, that the shooting was done by the U.S.-backed Svoboda Party and the protesters themselves, the snipers and the bullets all came from the Hotel Ukrayina, which was the center of where the protests were going, and the snipers on the hotel were shooting not only at the demonstrators, but also were shooting at their own-at the police and the demonstrators to try to create chaos. They've spoken to the doctors, who said that all of the bullets and all of the wounded people came from the same set of guns. They've talked to reporters who were embedded with the demonstrators, the anti-Russian forces, and they all say yes. All the witnesses are in agreement: the shots came from the Hotel Ukrayina. The hotel was completely under the control of the protesters, and it was the government that did it.

    So what happened was that after the coup d'état, what they call the new provisional government put a member of the Svoboda Party, the right-wing terrorist party, in charge of the investigation. And the relatives of the victims who were shot are saying that the government is refusing to show them the autopsies, they're refusing to share the information with their doctors, they're cold-shouldering them, and that what is happening is a coverup. It's very much like the film Z about the Greek colonels trying to blame the murder of the leader on the protesters, rather than on themselves.

    Now, the real question that the German data has is: why, if all of this is front-page news in Germany, front-page news in Russia-the Russian TV have been showing their footage, showing the sniping-why would President Obama directly lie to the American people? This is the equivalent of Bush's weapons of mass destruction. Why would Obama say the Russians are doing the shooting in the Ukraine that's justified all of this anti-Russian furor? And why wouldn't he say the people that we have been backing with $5 billion for the last five or ten years, our own people, are doing the shooting, we are telling them to doing the shooting, we are behind them, and we're the ones who are the separatists?

I strongly suggest you watch the interview in full, or read the transcript here.

I looks like Obama has settled for the Great US Reality Creation Machine only working for the USA. From the transcript link:

So what foreign leaders are saying: look what American's doing. This is what it did in the Hungarian Revolution in 1956, and again with the Czechs in 1968. It encourages foreign groups to fight against the Russians, promises support, and then it just leaves them hanging.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Apr 18th, 2014 at 10:46:26 AM EST
Since we're quoting Naked Capitalism, here is commenter BigRed:

Ukraine: Is Obama Channeling Cheney? | naked capitalism

To add some nuance, because Mr. Hudson unfortunately messed up:

1) Monitor doesn't claim that shots were only from the hotel but that there also shots fired from the hotel, additionally to government buildings.
2)The doctor they talk to, who they claim was treating victims from both sides, says that the victims had been hit by the same type of bullets, which Monitor uses to argue that those shots were probably not fired by police since they wouldn't have shot their own guys. Since he's not the only one who treated demonstrators, this doesn't allow to draw further conclusions.

There's obvious need to counteract the pro-EU/NATO propaganda. But by overstating claims, TRNN leaves itself open to justified attacks that undermine the larger issue.

Transcript of the Monitor report in German is here: http://www.wdr.de/tv/monitor/sendungen/2014/0410/maidan.php5

Having read the linked report this is entirely correct.

by generic on Fri Apr 18th, 2014 at 10:59:27 AM EST
There remains controversy over who and how many fired shots at the Maidan and Hudson does gloss over that subject. To this 'American' that is hardly a fatal flaw in his presentation, which really is about how the whole story has been presented by US media to the US audience. My lack of German prevented me from watching the Monitor program. My own surmise, that it is quite believable that the US would support people who would shoot their own just to create the needed chaos, probably was a factor in my not recalling similar, earlier discussions of that issue at ET. And, yes, I do want to see the US fail if it is attempting to implement Brzezinski's agenda, as I believe it is, just as I want to see the 'American Empire' taken down, whether by the USA or despite the USA. The whole process is inimical to the continued existence of constitutional government in the USA and the interests of all but a tiny elite.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Apr 18th, 2014 at 11:31:00 AM EST
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Info was outed in leaked phone call between Lady Ashton and Estonia's minister Paet:
    "There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new coalition," Urmas Paet said during the conversation.

    "And second, what was quite disturbing, this same Olga [Bogomolets] told as well that all the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among policemen and then people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides."

Indeed, a false flag operation as I wrote earlier!
Who Were Snipers In Kiev Massacre - A CIA-Svoboda False Flag Op?

I must agree with generic, there were multiple sniper incidents at varied locations. The Maidan mob possessed arms and rifles and on video were seen shooting at police and security forces. A BBC reporter witnessed a shooter from the Ukraine Hotel. There were several lethal, professional snipers active. Only an independent investigation (ICC in The Hague) could shed light on the events.

 Ukraine Ambassador in The Hague files report at ICC

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Fri Apr 18th, 2014 at 02:30:21 PM EST
Deception and a provocation ... analysis in a diary @BooMan:
Kerry in Geneva Uses Anti-Semitic Leaflet in Provocation

U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Confirms Anti-Semitic Pamphlets Are 'Real Deal'

Speaking with CNN host Jake Tapper, Amb. Geoffrey Pyatt said that the "chilling" leaflets which force Jews to register their property and religion with the government or face consequences have been released by that city's pro-Russian insurgent authority.

"Everything that we're hearing suggests that this is the real deal, and that it is coming from somebody on the ground there among these radical groups," Pyatt said, "either to stir fear or to create provocation justifying further violence."

Jews cast doubt on origin of anti-Semitic flyers in Donetsk

(Jerusalem Post) - Leaflets calling on Jews in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk to register themselves with pro-Russian separatists may not be the work of the so-called Donetsk People's Republic, Jewish groups have said.

Jewish Donetsk website is suggesting it's fake

Leaflets were signed "people's governor" Donetsk's Republic Denis Pushilin. However, it soon appeared that Denis Pushilin categorically rejects any involvement. Moreover, he assured the members of the Jewish community of Donetsk, he was not involved in the provocation.  The same thing he said on the air and the SEC "Donbass", noting that he never called himself a people's governor that the seal is clearly a fake.

'Sapere aude'
by Oui (Oui) on Fri Apr 18th, 2014 at 04:21:42 PM EST
I recently had occasion to check what's actually written in the association agreement. I see why Russia wasn't thrilled.
GEN - 3_ua_title_ii_pol_dialogue_reform_pol_assoc_coop_convergence_in_fsp_en.pdf
Foreign and security policy
1.The Parties shall intensify their dialogue and cooperation and promote gradual convergence in the area of foreign and security policy, including the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP), and shall address in particular issues of conflict prevention and crisis management, regional stability, disarmament, non-proliferation, arms control and arms export control as well as enhanced mutually-beneficial dialogue in the field of space. Cooperation will be based on common values and mutual interests, and shall aim at increasing policy convergence and effectiveness, and promoting joint policy planning. To this end, the Parties shall make use of bilateral, international and regional fora.
by generic on Sat Apr 19th, 2014 at 10:45:22 AM EST
Security and defence policy high on the agenda at the European Council Meeting on 19/20 December

CSDP Misions of the EU
European Union has become increasingly active abroad under the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP)

Why Kosovo?

'Sapere aude'
by Oui (Oui) on Sat Apr 19th, 2014 at 01:49:32 PM EST
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