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by afew Sat Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:49:01 AM EST

Stormy weather


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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:54:26 AM EST
What's wrong with the weather? Here is Trento today (late morning):

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:11:38 AM EST
And once again, Bremen was ringed by thunderstorms, but over us a clear blue sky, swimming weather (yes it felt great), and much of the day being amazed.

i guess we earned it or something. Likely because i made more guacamole. There will be bier in the evening i suppose, and lots of light summer dresses blowing in the beloved wind. Tough life.

And there's even Giants' baseball at the civilized hour of 22:05 1st pitch, unlike the often start at 4AM. Of course, there's an honor match in the WC, which might capture some attention.

Then tomorrow all hell breaks lose, even in the weather, as the thunderstorms finally hit us. 'Schland vs. The Gauchos, wheeee!

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sat Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:32:33 AM EST
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A choice between drowning in the North Sea or drowning in guacamole.

Life can be so hard.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2014 at 02:31:11 PM EST
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Twenty or so friends and neighbors coming for "American" food tomorrow, which will include guacamole, dammit, cuz Mexico is America. We'll probably have to do it inside, despite having wonderful terraces and patio tables outside, because the weather that's encircling you is part of what we're experiencing. What the hell, we'll crowd inside and drink and eat and then everyone will go home to watch the game and I'll go to bed and miss it cuz our tv capabilities currently suck.

But who can complain, really, about an afternoon of partying? Especially when the host makes his own hamburger buns?

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher

by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2014 at 04:43:55 PM EST
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She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sat Jul 12th, 2014 at 02:01:52 PM EST
 Brazil or Netherlands?

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sat Jul 12th, 2014 at 02:07:10 PM EST
And note my global sophistication of calling "soccer" "football."

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sat Jul 12th, 2014 at 02:08:58 PM EST
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Everyone's going to say Netherlands anyway. No doubt right, because Brazil just isn't capable of doing what Costa Rica and Argentina did. Even if they think of trying.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2014 at 02:29:26 PM EST
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On the other hand, Brazil has something to fight for without compromise.

That can turn a football match... especially if your opponent is full of both talent and ego, and thinks playing for 3rd place is bullshit with a trainer who has no clue.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sat Jul 12th, 2014 at 03:02:11 PM EST
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Looks like there are already 2 goals in favour of my reading of the game.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2014 at 04:19:20 PM EST
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Though the brasilianos played the first half much better than against Germany.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2014 at 04:51:39 PM EST
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I am afraid the Dutch will be nice to Brazil. It would be time for them to grow over their historical issues, the "all or nothing" mentality. Rather than "knowing it in advance", a positive curiosity mindset would be healthier. Since those 70s, we have the third Germany-Argentina final already.
by das monde on Sat Jul 12th, 2014 at 03:03:23 PM EST
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FIFA is predicting 3.2 billion people will watch Germany defeat Argentina the match.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sun Jul 13th, 2014 at 10:51:38 AM EST
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If Germany wins, that would be the first World Cup for the whole country ;-) And the first for Europe in the Americas.

Argentina's defense should not be discounted. The are keeping dry goal for over 6 hours of play. Spain won all elimination games with 1:0 last time. Argentina "improved" that with the semis so far.

by das monde on Sun Jul 13th, 2014 at 11:32:28 AM EST
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There will be an intense battle for the midfield, and Argentina is not without capabilities. And more determination than France, who only lost 1-0 to Germany.

Could go to the penalty shoot-out.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jul 13th, 2014 at 12:01:47 PM EST
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One key factor will be who scores first, if any. If 'Schland scores first, it could be 3-1, or 4-1. If 'Tina scores first, it could get bloody as Die Mannschaft pulls out all stops, and the Gauchos might even score on a counter.

Or someone shines a green laser into Neuer's eyes.

I'm thinking Arg's shutouts came against far lesser teams. I expect 'Schland to surprise with the strength of its offense. And triumph.

But there's always lady luck, like a strange header, so...

let's get the party started!

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Jul 13th, 2014 at 12:28:46 PM EST
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The grill is ready, the home in the refrigerator, now we're just waiting for WoB to show-up with the guacamole and hamburgers.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sun Jul 13th, 2014 at 01:03:08 PM EST
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"home" = "home brew"

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sun Jul 13th, 2014 at 01:03:23 PM EST
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Oops, sorry 'bout that. But it was good over here! Then everyone went home to watch Deutschland do its thing in overtime.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Mon Jul 14th, 2014 at 02:08:30 PM EST
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So far, it's looking like what I expected. We'll see if Germany can up their game in the second half without just upping the crunches.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jul 13th, 2014 at 03:56:13 PM EST
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By some measure, they did.

even in the rain, it's pretty crazy here.

Yes.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Jul 13th, 2014 at 06:43:05 PM EST
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The Germans were definitely nervous in the regular time, making mistakes in defense, awful passes. Even the keeper was edgy. But the extra time was different.

The Neuer-Higuain collision reminds Schumacher on Battiston in 1982. But the Kramer head injury was no less nasty. FIFA has no guidelines how to treat dangerous "successful" plays to the ball.

by das monde on Mon Jul 14th, 2014 at 02:34:27 AM EST
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Instantly it reminded me of the ugly foul of Toni Schumacher in 1982, the referee was Charles Corver from The Netherlands. Battiston was severely injured and didn't play for months, Schumacher never send an apology. He became Germany's hero in the penalty shootout - more info here.

How the referee called a foul on Higuain will forever be a mystery, my strong impression was that Neuer handled the ball outside the penalty box. Neuer should have been yellow carded and a free kick awarded to Argentina.

Argentina forward Gonzalo Higuain Injury - Watch
Germany's Manuel Neuer Foul Argentina Forward (Video+Photos)

In the Brazil v Netherlands match, the referee also made poor calls. The early foul on Arjen Robben was outside the box and the defender should have been red-carded. The second Dutch goal, the right winger was off-side before he crossed the ball into the goal area. The foul by Dutch defender Blind should have been a penalty, the same with the foul on Robben later in the game. The Brazilians should have been eliminated by Columbia, it was an awful weak side. Best defense of this World Cup was the Argentinian side, the Dutch reached their max of their ability (FIFA ranking nr. 15).

by Oui on Mon Jul 14th, 2014 at 04:05:24 AM EST
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If I might dissent here, I thought it was a perfectly good challenge.

Neuer played the ball and then collided with Higuain afterwards. There was no blind leap, he was intent on the ball at all times. This is perfectly legitimate. The entire basis of a lot of outfield tackles is that, once you have played the ball, any consequence of momentum from getting the ball is out of your control.

Schumacher made no such effort. He leapt at Batiston rather than made any attempt to play the ball, such was his intent that, when he jumped, he turned in mid-air to ensure injury was the only possible intent and result.

It's all the difference in the world.

As for the Kramer injury, I'm pretty sure that the Argentinian meant to hit the player with his shoulder, you could see him drop it prior to contact. But I doubt he intended or wanted such an injury. You just want to fire a warning shot just to intimidate, not brain the opponent and take them out. Which takes us back to Schumacher.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:35:30 PM EST
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So if you reached the ball first, you would be excused for a murder? Even if your knee is needlessly high, and the opponent would not reasonably expect you anywhere there? I would say that FIFA could acknowledge existence of legitimate but overly dangerous ball plays - resulting in a card but not a free kick or penalty. Card risk should be a more acceptable part of the game than injury risk.

I guess that the momentary ref logic in the Battiston case was that the ball was already shot towards the goal, and Schumacher's action did not influence the shot. Or Schumacher "only" intended to intimidate Battiston, and did not control his momentum afterwards. Daffy distinctions in modern eyes, but apparently not so in the 80s.

Kramer's injury was convenient to Argentina, as he was already a replacement for Khedira. It is yet another example of FIFA rules ignoring side effects of (more or less) legitimate plays.

by das monde on Mon Jul 14th, 2014 at 01:26:50 PM EST
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No, because there is a provision for dangerous play, ie reckless endangerment, ie high kicking, tackling with studs raised, feet off the floor.

These do not apply to Neuer. He is allowed to go for a ball, just the same as Higuain. Indeed, the fact that he got there first means he was more entitled than Higuain.

It was a legitimate challenge within the spirit of the game, both legally and morally. Schumacher's may have been legal by the laws of the time (which were altered as a result), but it was morally unacceptable.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 14th, 2014 at 02:39:56 PM EST
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Thus generally, does getting there first excuse from the dangerous play provision, making it not apply?
by das monde on Mon Jul 14th, 2014 at 02:50:26 PM EST
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No, I thought I'd explained that dangerous play wasn't excepted.

But that this didn't apply in Neuer's case cos it wasn't dangerous

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 14th, 2014 at 03:55:53 PM EST
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Wikipedia has opened a paragraph, citation needed. Anyone?
by Oui on Mon Jul 14th, 2014 at 04:21:15 PM EST
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The goalkeeper is exactly like any other player on the field. Some people believe that the 'keeper can get away with more brutality or that a foul against a 'keeper is more likely to get called or get a more severe punishment" ...

    The goalkeeper gets protection only when he is inside his "goal box." A goal area is defined at each end of the field as follows: Two lines are drawn at right angles to the goal line, 5.5 m (6 yds) from the inside of each goalpost. These lines extend into the field of play for a distance of 5.5 m (6 yds) and are joined by a line drawn parallel with the goal line. The area bounded by these lines and the goal line is the goal area. [Source: FIFA Laws of the Game]

Therefore, the knee high clash of the goalkeeper was an ugly foul. Going up for a high ball, a player has to go up vertically, not in a brute fashion into the opponent. Similar to the knee into Neymar's back, risk of an injury. That's not the intention of the game. If the ball has moved outside the penalty box and the keeper takes revenge on an opponent with an elbow, the foul will be punished by a penalty and red card.

by Oui on Mon Jul 14th, 2014 at 03:41:39 PM EST
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Manuel Neuer vs. Gonzalo Higuain slow motion WM Final 2014

Keeper Neuer makes contact with Higuain before he hits the ball. Foul for dangerous play, Neuer risked a red card and a penalty because Higuain was just inside the penalty box. I'll admit there are no referees courageous enough to make the call. Neuer stretched out beyond Higuain, was it still inside the box when he handled the ball?

by Oui on Mon Jul 14th, 2014 at 04:53:30 PM EST
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What Robben could not do against Argentina, Götze did superbly.

Congratulations, Germany!

by das monde on Sun Jul 13th, 2014 at 06:44:42 PM EST
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yup

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Jul 13th, 2014 at 08:28:00 PM EST
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A winning team always needs a Götze. The type of player who keeps his cool and scores from inside the box. His style and ability reminds me of Das Bomber Gerd Müller and Dutch forward "Goud Haantje" Johnny Rep. All of these style players need an excelling team to create the opportunity. Their strikes are proficient and deadly.

Total Football, Oranje and Ajax's exhilarating game
Holland vs Argentina World Cup 1974

by Oui on Mon Jul 14th, 2014 at 04:47:52 AM EST
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Against Merit | Gabriel Zaid | The Baffler

In Catholic countries, which favor holidays over the work ethic, there's a joke: "How can work be good when it's God's punishment on us?" From the Fall into work comes the modern opposition between productivity and play. The ideal, of course, is to transcend the opposition: to be happily productive. Or, as in the lottery, to reap without working, to regain the freedom of the gatherer's paradise.

The benefits of work can also be attained through play: creation, communion, freedom. Play is a simulation of need (goals, resources, rules, ambition, traps, success, or failure), happily divorced from need. It's like the exercise of animals who attack each other but not in earnest, or who trap something they don't need.

When we're lucky enough to be happily productive, to have transformed need into freedom, play is an unwanted distraction. In paradise, there is no yearning for paradise.



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