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Israel Exacerbating Settler Violence with Gag Orders

by Oui Sun Jul 6th, 2014 at 05:03:01 AM EST

Both Economy Minister Bennett and FM Liberman are inciting hatred and violence between Jews and Arabs. Last night, judeo-fascists were roaming the streets of Jerusalem chanting derogatory slogans against Arabs calling for their removal from the Jewish state. The results were beatings and more attempted kidnapping of Palestinian youth from East Jerusalem.

Former Shin Bet Chief Diskin: Delusional government brought us to this security deterioration

(Ynet News) - The escalation of violence in the territories, Jerusalem and the triangle (of Arab towns in central Israel) are the direct result of the policies of the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former Shin Bet chief Yuval Diskin wrote late Friday in a harshly critical Facebook post.

In his lengthy comment, Diskin wrote that the rapid deterioration in the security situation has shattered the Israeli leadership's "illusion that Israel's frustrated Arab citizens will not at the end of the day take to the streets over the lack of response to their problems and the containment of the Palestinians in the West Bank, and will not react despite their frustration and the worsening economic situation."

This illusion, Diskin said, "worked perfectly for as long as the defense establishment succeeded in providing impressive calm in the defense arena. The rapid deterioration in the security situation was not only down to the brutal murders of Naftali, Eyal and Gil-Ad, but first and foremost it is the result of the illusion that the government's stagnation in every area was really keeping the situation in deep freeze."

Diskin, who headed the Shin Bet for six years, went on to define the various "illusions" that he says the government is propagating.

"The illusion that 'price tag' attacks are just a few slogans on the walls and not really racism; the illusion that everything can be solved with a little more force; the illusion that the Palestinians will just accept all that we are doing in the West Bank and not respond, despite their rage, frustration and worsening economic situation; the illusion that the international community will not impose sanctions on us; that Israel's frustrated Arab citizens will not ultimately take to the streets over the lack of treatment of their problems; and the Israeli public will keep submissively accepting the government's incompetent response to the social gaps that its policies have only worsened, when corruption continues to eat away at all that is good, and so on and so on."

Diskin concluded with a grave warning that there could still be worse to come.  

h/t Elizabeth Tsurkov @Tel Aviv U.

Interview Prof. Leibowitz: "There are Judeo-Nazis."

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Interview Prof. Leibowitz: "There are Judeo-Nazis." plus Video

Local uproar over plans to name Herzliya street after Professor Leibowitz

(Ynet News) - Uproar in Herzliya municipality over intentions to name part of city's Naomi Shemer Street after renowned scientist and philosopher Yeshayahu Leibowitz. "What kind of message are we sending out to today's youth when we name a street after a man who called IDF soldiers 'Judeo Nazis'?" said City council member Yaron Olami in protest.

In contrast, the municipality sees no problem with the decision using past cases as examples: "There are streets named after Zeev Jabotinsky whose past also raised questions."

Israeli Security Services Dominated by Orthodox Jews, Settler Sympathizers  

See my two earlier diaries ;
Founding Fathers and God Given Rights of Palestinians
Barracude-like Policy of Likud On Palestinian Land - Some Blowback

Israeli police arrest suspects in murder of Palestinian teen

(Haaretz) - In a dramatic development, it was revealed Sunday that Israeli police arrested six Jewish extremists on suspicion of murdering a Palestinian teen.

Police suspect that the motive behind the murder of 16-year-old Mohammed Abu Khdeir, whose body was found in the Jerusalem Forest last Wednesday, was nationalistic.

On Saturday, Palestinian Attorney General Muhammad Abd al-Ghani Uweili was quoted as saying that that a preliminary autopsy report showed soot in the victim's lungs and respiratory tract, indicating he was alive and breathing while he was being burnt.

Major development in kidnapping-murder case of Arab teen: Arrests made

(JPost) - Arrests were made on Sunday in the murder case of teen Muhammad Abu Khdeir from Shuafat who was killed last week in Jerusalem. A gag order remained in place on the details of the investigation. Police would not confirm that arrests were made.

Suspicion was mounting that the kidnapping and murder was carried out for nationalistic reasons, according to Israeli media reports.

Ynet News - Suspects arrested in murder of Palestinian teen

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Jul 6th, 2014 at 07:08:06 AM EST
One of six Jewish nationalists arrested confesses to revenge killing of Arab teen

(JPost) - One of the six unidentified Jewish extremists arrested early Sunday morning in the brutal murder confessed to the crime. According to Channel 2, one of the suspects was cooperating with police and has incriminated his accomplices.

According to numerous sources, the unidentified suspects made the confession during questioning by Shin Bet security agents. While details of the arrests and investigation remain largely unknown due to a court-sanctioned gag order, hours after their arrests a Petah Tikva court ruled that five of the suspects be held for an additional eight days and the sixth for an additional five days. All the defendants are being barred from legal representation.

Following the arrests, Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch condemned the suspects.

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Jul 6th, 2014 at 04:21:06 PM EST
Israelis are extremists, Palestinians are terrorists.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jul 6th, 2014 at 04:22:23 PM EST
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We Westerners don't appreciate Israel as the only ME democracy, with our moral values and is Europe's buffer to the savage Arabs. The Israel justice system operates like a Swiss clock. These Jewish Israelis are interrogated by Shin Bet, held for a number of days under gag order, prosecutors waving papers of a Terror Act and they won't get legal representation.

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Jul 6th, 2014 at 04:35:15 PM EST
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Breaking News: Leader of Terror-Murder Cell Follower of Shas and Beitar Jerusalem

(Tikun Olam) - Israel's Shabak announced today it had arrested six Israeli Jews wanted in the immolation murder of Palestinian youth, Mohamed Abu Khdeir. The leader of the terror cell is Yizhar Bazri, the grandson of a well-known Jerusalem rabbi and a member of the Jerusalem Beitar racist fan club, La Familia.  [La Familia is proud of its Jewish identity. The group is notorious for chants that insult Arab and black players, and for displaying the flag of the banned Kach party. Cheers with lines such as "death to the Arabs" and "Muhammad is a homosexual" are common] Bazri is from the Jerusalem Har Nof neighborhood, another suspect is from Beit Shemesh and another from the West Bank settlement, Adam.  They are being defended by the settler terror legal defense group, Honenu, which also defended Yigal Amir and other settler terrorists.

Unlike what I posted earlier, the conspiracy doesn't seem particularly rooted in the West Bank (though one suspect lives there).  Rather, the suspects are all ardent followers of the Shas party, the home of Mizrahi Orthodox nationalists.  Until recently, the racist Rabbi Ovadia Yosef was the party's spiritual leader.  Another criticial affiliation the suspects had was to the Likud-affiliated Beitar Jerusalem soccer club.  Beitar has an ardently racist fan club called, ironically enough, La Familia (the reference to the mafia is probably deliberate).

Bazri's grandfather is the head of the Jerusalem rabbinical court, a distinguished religious position.  Another relative is a noted Shas-affiliated Kabbalist-wonder rabbi, Rabbi David Bazri, who was convicted of hate speech (Hebrew) in 2008.  Their offence involved incitement against Arabs which occurred at a protest against the founding of a bi-cultural Jewish-Arab school in a Jerusalem neighborhood.

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Jul 6th, 2014 at 10:06:21 PM EST
You should really check your sources carefully before posting stuff like this (and so should Silverstein). The only source that mentions this suspect by name also lists Menachem Mendel Beilis as a second suspect, which should tell you that this is someone's idea of a sick joke. The addresses of the suspects seem to be genuine.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 07:21:07 AM EST
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Names are under gag order and cannot be published in Israel. RS can be trusted.

Six Israelis Arrested For Murder Of Palestinian Teen Had Criminal Records And "Nationalistic" Motive

The six suspects were Jewish Israelis who came from Jerusalem, Beit Shemesh, and the settlement of Adam. They were united, said police, through their mutual following of the Beitar Jerusalem soccer group. "They were, most of them, known to police. They have been engaged in acts of disturbances before." He said that the group had been tied to an attempt the day before to kidnap 9-year-old Musa Zalloum from the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Shuafat.

La Familia organized a protest in which they unfurled a giant yellow banner in Jerusalem's Teddy Stadium that read "Beitar Will be Pure Forever" -- a surreal echo of the Nazi slogans used against the Jews.

How Soccer Explains Israel - March 2013

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 11:02:09 AM EST
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I have found no evidence online that the person with this name even exists (Google finds no mention of him older than 2 days), let alone was arrested. The Samaria council (or whatever it's called) took down their tweet after a very short time (because it was wrong?). The only other source, that I cited, which is probably the original, is obviously a lie. Even Silverstein can make a mistake from time to time.

Note that previous leaks (such as the fact that the Israelis were dead) were by Facebook posts by Israeli journalists using their own names, knowing that the Israeli government would be unlikely to risk the bad press of going after them in a case that really doesn't involve national security. This is not the case here.

Incidentally, I have seen hints elsewhere that the Beitar connection is true, but I can't make up my mind if it's just an inference from this tweet or has more behind it (I suspect the latter).

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 11:25:48 AM EST
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You too haven't read my post.  How can you declare anything relevant to it spurious without doing so?  At any rate, Rabbi Ezra Batzri is the Av Beyt Din in Jerusalem.  Ezra Batzri is his grandson.  Why do you believe if you can't find a reference in GOogle to someone it means they don't exist?

As for removing the FB posting (NOT a tweet), it violated the gag order.  I'd expect the police to have demanded it be removed.  Again, removal often indicates censorship, not that it was wrong.  The Baylis posting was from a different FB account & NOT the original. It's obviously a stupid joke meant to distract attention from Batzri and his terror cell.

by richards1052 on Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 07:51:26 PM EST
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Lack of a reference to someone on Google is not proof that someone does not exist, but one would expect someone spreading rumours to have a bit more to go on. And why did you change the name from Yitchak to Ezra?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Jul 8th, 2014 at 12:06:55 AM EST
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Thank you! Much appreciated.

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by Oui (Oui) on Tue Jul 8th, 2014 at 02:00:00 AM EST
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And since you're here, how about explaining where the idea he was the leader came from? It's not in the post you quoted.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Jul 8th, 2014 at 03:11:40 AM EST
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Pretty nasty attitude from someone who has been misled by a hoax message. I suggest you post the question at Richard Silverstein's blog Tikun Olam - Leader of Terror-Murder Cell Follower of Shas and Beitar Jerusalem.  Forced by internal political division, PM Netanyahu expanded the collective punishment for the Palestinian people.

Operation Solid Rock, Gaza Invasion, Begins

This is the second day of Operation Protective Edge ("Solid Rock"). So far, 27 Palestinians have been killed, eight of them children, by massive Israeli air strikes. Two Israelis have been injured lightly. This is the first stage of what will eventually move to a ground invasion. That's why 40,000 Israeli reservists have been called up.  Don't believe media reports in which Netanyahu and Yaalon say Israel "may be forced" to invade. They are going to invade according to my Israeli source.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Jul 9th, 2014 at 04:31:28 AM EST
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Interesting how pointing out a hoax message becomes falling for it.

As for responding over there, he posted here so should stay around to answer for himself. All he (assuming it was really him posting here) did was claim that I hadn't read his post carefully, while not bothering to point out what I had missed - I have better things to do than waste time arguing with people with this type of meaningless debating style.

But I did read his post carefully, as a result. It's worse than I realised:

  • The reference to him being the leader is provided with no hint of where he comes from

  • The discussion of his grandfather's politics obviously suggests that this led directly to what the grandson did. This may be the case. But it also may not. There is no mention of the fact that the accused (if he really exists) would be the son of his father's first marriage, who subsequently married a second woman in a bigamous marriage (with his grandfather's approval...). It could just as well be this family history that led him to becoming a shababnik and hence to the murder.

Furthermore, no other site has taken up this story, even Failed Messiah who generally loves any story of Haredim behaving badly. It looks like it doesn't pass the smell test for anybody. This doesn't mean it's wrong, just that there is no evidence for it.

Actually, there's one exception. I found a reference to it on a site by one Allain Jules, who seems to be linked to Dieudonné . You might want to check this out, and, if I'm right, rethink the company you're unintentionally keeping.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Jul 9th, 2014 at 04:53:30 AM EST
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[ET Moderation Technology™]


(assuming it was really him posting here)

Just to clear that up, richards1052 is verifiably Richard Silverstein of Tikun Olam.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2014 at 05:17:56 AM EST
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Thanks. His showing up to post twice and never responding made me a little bit suspicious....
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Jul 9th, 2014 at 05:21:07 AM EST
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Religious racism

Rabbi David Batzri and his son Yitzhak were investigated by police after they made racist remarks against Arabs and protested against a mixed Arab-Jewish school in Jerusalem. [66][67] As part of a 2008 plea bargain, Yitzhak was sentenced to community service, and David issued a declaration saying he was opposed to any racist incitement and said that he calls for love, brotherhood and friendship. [68]

Dov Lior, Chief Rabbi of Hebron and Kiryat Arba in the southern West Bank and head of the "Council of Rabbis of Judea and Samaria" issued a religious edict saying "a thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew's fingernail" [69][70][71] and stated that captured Arab terrorists could be used to conduct medical experiments, [72] and also ruled that Jewish Law forbids employing Arabs or renting homes to them. [73][74] Lior denied holding racist views. [75] In June 2011 the Rabbi was arrested by Israeli police and questioned on suspicion of inciting violence. [76][77] Both opposition leader Tzipi Livni and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called for a full judicial investigation of Lior's remarks and said that rabbis were not above the law. [78] In October 2010, Ovadia Yosef, a former Sephardi chief rabbi, stated that the sole purpose of non-Jews "is to serve Jews".[79]

[Source: Wikipedia]

Soccer fan attack on Palestinians sparks Israeli debate - March 2012

An initially under-reported attack by militant supporters of controversial Beitar Jerusalem Football Club known for their anti-Palestinian, anti-Ashkenazi Jewish attitudes on Palestinian shoppers and workers in a Jerusalem shopping mall and the Israeli police's failure to intervene and arrest any the attackers has outraged many Israelis and is raising questions about the moral fiber of a society that tolerates such incidents as well as a soccer club that is unashamedly racist.

Police launched an investigation into the incident that was caught on security camera video only after the liberal Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported the assault and asked how Israel would have reacted if France had responded similarly to last week's attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse in which four people, including three children, were killed. The alleged killer died in a shootout with police after an intense manhunt and a more than 30-hour siege.

"Those who fail to raise their voice now over Malha will get Toulouse in Jerusalem. Sticks today, guns tomorrow," warned Haaretz commentator Gideon Levy.

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 01:53:43 PM EST
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The Silverstein page you linked to calls him Ezra, not Yitchak (I can't see how you could have got it wrong; maybe Silverstein changed the page, but why?).  The two Hebrew tweets (the one that is clearly a sick joke, and the one that might depend on the other) both call him Ezra - and it's the latter for whom I've no evidence that he even exists.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 02:52:18 PM EST
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RS does update his article with minor edits. From Hebrew translation there are some spelling corrections e.g. Bazri was changed to Batzri. RS has his own reliable sources inside Israel, though on occasion he too is taken for a ride by someone with a double agenda. His coverage of late has been excellent.

I'm sure your linked source played the sick joke.

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 03:45:25 PM EST
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Name of main suspect in Abu Khdeir's murder released

The main suspect in the murder of 16-year-old Mohammed Abu Khdeir has been identified on Sunday as Yosef Haim Ben-David, 29, from the Geva Binyamin settlement (also known as Adam). Ben-David had initially appealed the decision to release his name, but Supreme Court Judge Elyakim Rubinstein rejected the appeal. Ben-David is accused of playing a central role in the murder, and setting Abu Khdeir on fire when he was unconcious.

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Jul 20th, 2014 at 11:00:50 PM EST
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A completely false claim.  Read the blog post.  You'll see that the FB account from which the ORIGINAL reference to Batzri came was NOT the FB account which mentioned Mendel Baylis.  The Israeli far-right's ox has been gored.  They naturally would like to deflect blame from themselves.  Only they can't in this case.
by richards1052 on Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 07:47:19 PM EST
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Ynet News: There cannot be one law for Israeli terrorists and another for Arab

Sadly, there is a history of Jews killing Arabs in retribution. Murderers like those of the extreme right Jewish Underground quickly received pardons, and some never even saw the inside of a jail cell.

The Israeli religious-Zionist public in all its diversity, the dear public, for the most part Zionist and filled with conscience, has to do some soul-searching. If it had done more to vomit out the extremist nationalists, we might not have been plunged to this moral nadir.

The public, which is mostly religious, should remember the story of the men of Shechem, who murdered and raped Dinah, the sister of Simeon and Levi. They should remember what Jacob said to his sons Simeon and Levi, who carried out murderous reprisals against men of Shechem. He cut them off from inheritance, and handed down upon them the most terrible sentence father could deliver to his sons:

Simeon and Levi are brothers-- their swords are weapons of violence. Let me not enter their council, let me not join their assembly, for they have killed men in their anger and hamstrung oxen as they pleased. Cursed be their anger, so fierce, and their fury, so cruel! I will scatter them in Jacob and disperse them in Israel. (Genesis 49:5)

One of six Jewish nationalists arrested confesses to revenge killing of Arab teen
Jerusalem Post: Nightmare scenario
We are all to blame for Palestinian teen's murder by 'Jewish extremists'

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Jul 6th, 2014 at 10:09:53 PM EST
Insight: Hamas in Crisis - Isolation and Internal Strife

(The Washington Institute) July 30, 2013 - The serial loss of allies and aid has produced a severe split within the Hamas leadership. Khaled Mashal, who was chosen to continue as head of the Executive Committee (formerly the Political Bureau) in April, insists that Hamas had to adjust itself to the policies of the Brotherhood's "International Organization," the movement's worldwide top body. Yet other leaders disagree, causing Mashal to lose most of his authority.

For example, in contrast to Mashal's Egypt focus, Gaza prime minister Ismail Haniyeh has emphasized the need to defend Hamas control over the strip. Although he accepted the position of deputy Executive Committee chief after failing to win the top Hamas post in April, he no longer heeds orders from Mashal.

Other leaders have urged speedy reconciliation with Iran, emphasizing that Hamas cannot afford to divorce itself from the "resistance axis." The most adamant proponent of this view is Imad al-Alami, the group's former permanent envoy in Tehran and head of the "Intifada Committee," now returned from Damascus to Gaza. He is supported by military figures such as Muhammad Deif and Marwan Issa, and by politicians such as Mahmoud al-Zahar.

In contrast, Mashal received heavy criticism for attending a much-publicized May sermon in Qatar in which Qaradawi railed against Iran and its partners. His response was that he did not have prior knowledge of what Qaradawi would say.

Qatar Fail in Arab Spring and Loss to Saudi Diplomacy

Cross-posted from my new diary @BooMan - Losing the PR Edge in Israel, Time for another Gaza War.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Jul 9th, 2014 at 05:27:50 AM EST

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