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Bernie Bernedict Arnold booed by his own supporters at the DNC who he betrayed

by Democrats Ramshield Tue Jul 26th, 2016 at 01:16:02 AM EST

(Written by an American expat living in Germany)

So yes millions of Bernie supporters out there today given your endorsement of Hillary Clinton feel betrayed by you. They feel you burned them and yes, it gives new meaning to the old phrase 'Feel the Bern'.

Bernie 'Bernedict Arnold' was richly booed for approximately 5 minutes earlier at the DNC today for his betrayal in the matter of his endorsement of Hillary Clinton and I predict it will happen again. As such this is an open letter to Bernie.

An Open Letter to Bernie Sanders. Dear Bernie, Many people who have loved and supported you, many people who believed in you, now feel betrayed by you. You energized a lot of young people, drowning in student loan debt, without health insurance, priced out of the housing market, who are living in underwater mortgaged houses which belong to their parents whose basement they're living in while being drowned in student loan debt. They today, many of them feel betrayed by you. There are many people on fixed incomes, pensioners and low waged workers who in the average 27 dollar contributions they provided you with dipped into their grocery money. Some of these people are children; some of them are even homeless people; waitresses who dipped into their tip money for YOU!  People who visited pawn shops and parted with their precious things to support YOU! People worked their hearts out for no pay to support YOU!

(Is there any chance any of these people can expect a refund from you or will you just keep their money so as to empower you to spend millions of their money, to keep re-electing you to the Senate forever?)

When push came to shove and you were faced with a choice of fighting for them and standing with them, you quit!? The effect of you quitting left them in a deep hole. Some of these people will never believe another politician in their lifetimes again because they feel betrayed by you, up close and personal. Even if you couldn't get the nomination, you didn't have to endorse Hillary Clinton! When you call on people to vote for her, you took the love that they feel for you and turned it to disgust and betrayal and they booed you. They will boo you again and again because those people who booed you will never trust you again. They will never believe in you again. Personally, Bernie I will always love you man, but I will never support you again.  It's just too painful. We understand it would have had political consequences for you in the Senate if you did not endorse Hillary Clinton.


We know that you would have had problems caucusing with the Democrats but Bernie you knew that as well. If you weren't prepared for those consequences, then you sir never should have ran for the highest office in the land. People will say the election was stolen from you but who the election was really stolen from was us as your supporters.  It was our votes that were stolen. It was our democracy that was stolen from us in America. There have been lawsuits filed that allege election fraud because people believed in you, people believed in America and our democracy. You rewarded them by quitting but even worse you endorsed crooked Hillary and you asked us to vote for her. How can we do that Bernie after you exposed her, but more to the point sir, how can you do it? With the justification that we should be afraid of Trump? When in fact it was you Bernie that taught us to vote for our hopes, and not our fears. You inspired us to believe and now you're doing the exact opposite  of what you made us believe in.

Here is what I'm going to do. I am going to leave the Democratic Party.

Quote from US Uncut interview of Jill Stein:"You want to affirm a corrupt party that just dragged you across the coals is there no respect here for his campaign and for himself? Are they just going to pretend it didn't happen?" "I think it would be very hard for a self-respecting Sanders supporter, in light of these revelations, to take the beating and humiliate themselves and disrespect themselves to go into the campaign and support the predator who destroyed them." (End of quote) http://usuncut.com/politics/jill-stein-blasts-dnc-email-leak/

(I note that Dr. Cornell West has endorsed Jill Stein for President of the United States)

CNN quote: Activist and professor Cornel West endorsed Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein on Thursday, calling her the "only progressive woman in the race" in a jab at Hillary Clinton.) http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/15/politics/jill-stein-green-party-cornel-west-endorsement/

Quote from Dr Cornel West: “This November, we need change........That’s why I am supporting Jill Stein. I am with her the only progressive woman in the race – because we’ve got to get beyond this lock-jaw situation. I have a deep love for my brother Bernie Sanders, but I disagree with him on Hillary Clinton. I don’t think she would be an “outstanding president”. Her militarism makes the world a less safe place.”

(Update 10 August 2016)
Quote from People Magazine:
"Bernie Sanders Buys His Third Home – A $600K Summer Retreat in Vermont

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has a new home away from home. The former White House contender is now the proud owner of a nearly $600,000 summer retreat on Vermont's Champlain Islands, the Vermont newspaper Seven Days reported Monday.

Sanders' new home, located on a waterfront camp in the small town of North Hero, has four bedrooms and 500 feet of beachfront on Lake Champlain. " http://www.people.com/article/bernie-sanders-600k-summer-home-vermont

Bernie, I am never going to listen to another word you sir say. I can't. You broke my heart, man and it's just too painful for me to hear you say to vote for Hillary Clinton even one more time. So any time you say anything I am going to turn away from you because it's just too painful man not to. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me for that but man, that's the way it's got to be in this pushed to the wall game of survival, but man oh man, that's the way it's got to be. I had expected that even if you lost the nomination that we would part as friends but now I have to recognize you were never my friend. Even Ralph Nader said you must have known in the circumstances that if you ran as a Democrat, instead of a third party candidate who would endorse the Democratic nominee, basically it looked to him like you were out there finding future voters for Hillary all along and Chris Hedges basically said the same thing about you but I never believed it Bernie. I thought, no way that is not Bernie Sanders and honestly I still don't want to believe it but now I'm confused and I honestly don't know what to believe about you anymore sir.

You sir could have honorably simply ended your campaign and no one ever would have thought any less of you Bernie but when you endorsed crooked Hillary and told us to vote for her, it was clear you loved your political career more than you loved us, and more than you loved the movement to build a new America. It was clear that if you truly believed that Donald Trump was such an awful candidate you had to work to make sure he couldn't be elected, that you would have ran as an independent in the first place, as about 75% of your supporters and donors wanted you but you were never open to listening to them, that much is clear enough.

It was clear then as it is now that your political career in the U.S. Senate is more important to you than we are. As that now has become plain for anyone even a small child to see. We're just going to have to live with that because there is nothing else we can do, man. I can't say I will never forget you, I will say I honestly wish I could because it would hurt a lot less. If only I had never heard the name Bernie Sanders.

The pain that I am in today wouldn't exist, but neither would this new movement and at least that is something we can all be grateful for because the movement is bigger than you are Bernie. It's bigger than any of us. In fact it's as big as America from sea to shining sea. It's that thing we call the America dream that just won't die because what we have is it and each other and that's all we have to hold onto. It is who we are because we are the real America.

It's Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream'. It's hope. It's love. It's Mom and apple pie and baseball on a hot summer's day. It's the national anthem. It's unity. It's Bruce Springsteen's 'Born in the USA'. It's the boy and girl next door. It's beautiful weddings. It's Saturday morning cartoons. It's smiling with a tear in your eye because no matter what, it's this place called America and the fact that we belong to it. It belongs to us.

For me Bernie Sanders as a great American belonged in that litany of true Americana. I always said from the first day I heard him, Bernie we love you man and we'll never forget you but today I wish we could. Only because it would hurt a whole lot less.

(Interview with Chris Hedges, 12th November 2015) Quote from Chris Hedges: (In referring to Bernie, he states he is)"...part of the Democratic Party and he sits in the caucus and he has seniority. The Democrats in a quid pro quo do not mount serious candidates against him in Vermont and in return, he does not support third party candidates.

Quote from Ralph Nader: (During the same program) "The Democratic establishment and co-operatives are amused by Bernie Sanders today, they're not fearful of him. They're amused, why are they amused? He's given up his bargaining power and he's says he is going to support the Democratic nominee and he's not going to go independent and he's not going to support a third party. So they're amused he's going to get more votes out for Hillary Clinton....


Chris Hedges: So let's say a scenario that you suggest plays out, which I expect it will, and it's one of the reasons I feel very critical of Bernie Sanders. So it does play out. What does that mean for us? This kind of amoral and physical collapse with Bernie Sanders selling out to the Clintons and the Democratic establishment. What are the consequences of that?

Nader: The consequences are he doesn't mean what he says, and therefore he'll come across as a betrayer of millions of people who went to his rallies and are telling pollsters he's our choice because he has entered into the two party prison and basically says I'll drop all of my principles because I think the Republicans are worse than the Democrats.

(Here's another story that deserves your attention. http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-delegates-walkout-dnc/)

PS: Your supporters and donors Bernie call on you to repudiate and rescind on your endorsement of Hillary Clinton. Though we accept you're unlikely to do that because you don't listen to us and you don't consult even though we've given you our money, our labor and our love.

In response to some emails I received after writing this article, I make the following update. For whatever it's worth before endorsing crooked Hillary, shouldn't Bernie have at least communicated with us as his supporters? Don't get me wrong. He is a grown up and he doesn't need our permission but he did say the movement wasn't about him but about us. So why didn't he ever communicate with us before endorsing her? Is that why he genuinely looked shocked when his supporters on stage booed him for five minutes non-stop? Him on that stage that day will be the memory that we all keep... Goodbye Bernie Sanders! ©

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Fine. Vote for Jill Stein. After all, you're in Geermany, so President Trump won't bother you at all.

Although if Trump signs off on Putin annexing the Baltic states, don't be surprised if everybody in Europe freaks out.

But...looking for that one special candidate that matches you perfectly in every way isn't politics. It's dating. So, Bernie wasn't your perfect darling and he went and cheated on you. Yea, bummer. Come and have a hug, better luck next time.

The process of politics is about coalition building. That's the whole point of it; to put together a group of people who agree on MOST things to advance a common agenda, and to give and take on the margins where everyone doesn't agree so that everyone gets most of what they want.

That's what Bernie has done, he endorsed Hillary so that he gets some of his agenda instead of none of it. That's grown-up politics. Anything else is high school

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 27th, 2016 at 03:19:33 PM EST
It's dating.

And unlikely to work too well there either.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 27th, 2016 at 03:55:57 PM EST
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Hi Helen. Hmmmm. Let me understand with your reference to 'dating'(wink), are you asking me if I'm available? I mean, it would be a distance relationship after all, with the Atlantic between us. Then again, it sounds like you're already in a committed relationship with Hillary. This may pray tell do tell, turn into a complex triangle therefore, are you ready for that. The bottom line is this, if you trust somebody and you feel they have betrayed you, you may be vulnerable, when your cheating partner tries to lure you back. But perhaps someone else will catch you on the rebound. You never know. What we do know is this and this we know well. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

 

sig...You just ran into a hardcore progressive who's just another working stiff with an MBA degree & therefore a vociferous labor union supporter [smile]

by Democrats Ramshield on Wed Jul 27th, 2016 at 06:20:40 PM EST
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Actually, I get the feeling out here that people are more afraid of Clinton stumbling into a war with Russia than of anything that Trump might do (though I suspect they make the mistake of assuming that even he has any idea what that might be). I've no idea how representative this is, but I know someone who has been to Poland and even they are afraid of Clinton starting a war with Russia (with Poland on the front line, of course).

I don't know anybody who freaked out over the Crimea or the Donbass, for that matter.

So getting a group of people who agree on MOST things, say Russia, trade deals and so on - this is starting to sound a lot like Trump, assuming you believe anything he says.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Jul 27th, 2016 at 06:42:44 PM EST
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where's here?

All I read from the US is about USSC picks.

I doubt clinton is getting into a war with the russians unless Putin annexes the Baltic states. Who will only do so if Trump is Prez (but if Trump becomes prez, putin would do it on Feb 1st). Frankly, neither country needs a shooting war they stand a chance of either losing (Russia) or taking heavy causlties again (US). Tho' they might huff and puff occasionally.

Fact is, they more or less share an agenda across most of the ME, even if it differs in the details. So they've got a lot to gain if they co-operate and much to lose if they don't. They don't have to like each other to work together.

Hopefully, the DoD is finally losing the Bush era generation and they're being replaced by pragmatists. Clinton may be a hawk, but she's not a fool. She has a lot to achieve domestically and foreign adventures would only be a distraction.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 27th, 2016 at 07:18:41 PM EST
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"Here" is Italy.

Clinton and her surrogates have been very aggressive at testing the Russian responses, and a miscalculation could lead to a shooting war, where it's not clear who will win (apparently war games tend to show the Russians winning).

When Clinton replaces Nuland and Kagan I'll buy your claim that they are being replaced by pragmatists.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Jul 27th, 2016 at 07:23:03 PM EST
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well, let's be honest. The wikileaks thing is a not very subtle provocation from Putin, he's gotta expect some pushback. His best bet would be to chuckle and say "well you can't blame me for trying" and walk away

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 27th, 2016 at 07:30:47 PM EST
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Bleh, the Russians might or might not have been behind the leak but realistically such things are hard to prove. Not that the people pushing the claim care one way or the other as long as it distracts from the contents.
by generic on Wed Jul 27th, 2016 at 07:52:50 PM EST
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the contents don't add up to a hill of beans from what I've heard. Not that it would stop the republicans whose ability to cry wolf again and again surely would try the patience of a saint

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 27th, 2016 at 08:04:27 PM EST
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Which really just tells us that we have different filter bubbles. It tells us that the DNC was an arm of the Clinton campaign. Which was obvious of course but still highly denied.
by generic on Thu Jul 28th, 2016 at 07:33:55 AM EST
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which to me is still a whole lot of nothing.

And even if it was, what's it got to do with anybody outside the democratic party?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 28th, 2016 at 02:19:17 PM EST
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Because you are a lot more sanguine about a Clinton presidency than me.
After all no one really gets worked up about process unless he or she dislikes the outcome.
by generic on Thu Jul 28th, 2016 at 03:27:55 PM EST
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This is true, being British, the choice of Bernie or Hillary is neither here nor there. There are flesh eating parasites that would be a better President than Trump, so Hillary is fine.

I've duscussed this before, but a quick repeat. Much tho I always preferred Bernie's policies, it was quite obvious that he only entered the contest to keep Hillary honest rather then her have a procession. To win the Presidential primary you have to get down and dirty with the rubber chicken circuit almost from the summer after the previous inaugural. It also helps if you have the baking of other senior figures within the party. It helps if you have the goodwill of power brokers within the party.

Hillary had all of these. Heck she's been eating rubber chicken all over the country since before 1990. She is a considerable figure within Democratic circles, most State organisations are beholden to her in some way. The national organisation is beholden to her in many ways. Heck, you think the rules were tipped in her favour, she helped write the damn things, you betcha they were tipped in her favour. And she could do that because she has been doing this since 1990.

Thems the rules. If Bernie wanted bettr rules he could have been a democrat for longer than a year. He could have built the alliances, but he didn't. He wanted his own path. that's fine and good, everybody respects him for his stance. But he doesn't get to change his mind at the last minute and then expect the same preferential treatment Hillary got. You don't get that for asking, you have to earn it, day after day, month after month, year after year.

So, it has been obvious from early March that Bernie wasn't winning enough to overcome the Super Delegate deficit. That was sad, but it was democracy. there are rules in most democratic elections that tend to favour one side or another, no system is perfect. You can look at the systems within the Democratic party and question them, many have and you got to hope they'll be fixed. But they were within the rules and the rules were set long before Bernie became a member. But those were his choices, since 1980.  If he wanted different ruls, then he could have joined the party 35 years ago.

Beyond that, I refer you to my original answer to Democratic Ramshield. This ain't dating, it's politics.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 28th, 2016 at 05:23:02 PM EST
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I suspect Sanders entered for several purposes. He wanted to see how well he could do, he wanted to win, he hoped other left candidates might join, he wanted to push the discussion to the left, he wanted to build an organization that would be a political force on the left long after the election, and he was laying the groundwork for a stronger campaign by a left candidate in 2020 and/or 2024. No other truly left candidates really emerged and he didn't win the primary, but he accomplished most of the rest in an outstanding manner.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Jul 28th, 2016 at 07:36:03 PM EST
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Eh, the point of the DNC leak is that even the rules she and Bill wrote were broken.
As you yourself state the primary came pre rigged. And as I argued here previously the lack of a less offensive high profile alternative to HRC was probably what opened the door for a real left-wing challenge.
And again as you say she mostly had this sewn up in March. Partly because the DNC kept visibility low. But even afterwards they kept up the hippy punching to the point where it damages the election prospects. Like the violence by delegates story they pushed for example.

But that is really a minor point in the grand scheme of things. The next part is where I really can't follow you: You call Hillary a hawk which is a rather bloodless word for someone who supported, as far as I remember, every military action by the US. And not only in rethoric. Calling her a reflexive warmonger is no exaggeration. And competent? Her excuse for voting for Iraq after supporting the invasion became untenable was that W suckerd her. Sure she has the perfect CV but her actual judgment? Isn't she still calling for a no-fly zone in Syria? The planes in question being Russian? And the forces on the ground being mostly not-AlQaida? That is the non crazy position?
And for someone running for the presidency for nearly a decade she was really careless with optics. Aren't you supposed to cash out on the lecture circuit after your political career?
Similar with the private mail server. Sure it is convenient to have control over what is accessible via FOIA. But opening oneself up to FBI investigation instead?

by generic on Fri Jul 29th, 2016 at 08:19:14 AM EST
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Hillary Clinton will reset Syria policy against 'murderous' Assad regime

 Hillary Clinton will order a "full review" of the United States' strategy on Syria as a "first key task" of her presidency, resetting the policy to emphasise the "murderous" nature of the Assad regime, foreign policy adviser with her campaign has said. 

"A Clinton administration will not shrink from making clear to the world exactly what the Assad regime is," he said in an exclusive interview with The Telegraph. "It is a murderous regime that violates human rights; that has violated international law; used chemical weapons against his own people; has killed hundreds of thousands of people, including tens of thousands of children."

They are even using the same words as for Iraq.

by generic on Sat Jul 30th, 2016 at 10:29:30 PM EST
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Except that Saddam was not protected by Russia. Going to war with Syria today means going to war with Russia, so we're back to proxy wars, just like the old days of the cold war.
by Bernard (bernard) on Sun Jul 31st, 2016 at 11:18:52 AM EST
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OK, I never said you had to like her, you don't have to approve of everything she stands for or approve every decision she makes. But you have the choice of her or Trump.

Her. Or. Trump.

You don't get to coose neither, cos that's a vote for Trump.

No ifs. No buts. Her. Or. Trump.

Take your time, you've got till November. But you have to choose.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 1st, 2016 at 12:44:29 PM EST
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But you said she's competent which I dispute, at least in the category I care most about: Whether or not to rain death and destruction on people and countries. That has little to do with me liking her or not. Though I freely admit that I have no warm feelings for unreconstructed warcriminals.
De-escalating the conflict with Russia is one of the few reasonable policies Trump is pushing. And the Clinton campaign counters with full blown Russophobic conspiracy theories.
Not that I buy his non intervention shtick, no manchild could stand to not use his toys, but neither can I say with any kind of confidence that his presidency would kill more people than hers.
So no I can't say if I would pull the lever for Clinton. Though obviously I would not vote for the other guy.
by generic on Mon Aug 1st, 2016 at 05:00:50 PM EST
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ok, do what you want. It's quite evident that you aren't going to vote for her, so yea ok. I'm sure the satisfaction of supporting Trump, even if by abstention, will gladden your heart and fill you with the resolve of not having compromised. Seems to me like you're comfortable enough not to have to care.

You'll have stuck it to The Man. Good for you. Enjoy. You're lucky. A lot of people won't be sleeping quite so soundly.


keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 1st, 2016 at 06:41:36 PM EST
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Not being American it is quite obvious that I won't vote for her. Feel free to blame me for the outcome if it makes you feel better though.
And again with the "comfortable enough" canard.
by generic on Mon Aug 1st, 2016 at 08:26:21 PM EST
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Generic, if you get a chance please let me invite you to watch this video. Judging from your comments you may find it interesting as well as a good use of time. Here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X59WzzGr7IQ

sig...You just ran into a hardcore progressive who's just another working stiff with an MBA degree & therefore a vociferous labor union supporter [smile]
by Democrats Ramshield on Mon Aug 1st, 2016 at 11:05:10 PM EST
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Except that it didn't tell us that.  In fact, as I recall, it provided us a few examples of the powerful donors yelling at DNC staff for not hammering Bernie and explicitly taking Clinton's side.

What exactly is in the emails that's so awful and so thoroughly proves the election was rigged -- that the CFO wanted Bernie asked about his atheism in Kentucky and nobody ever did so?

"Oh LAWD, Ms Scarlett!"

What's more, again, it strikes me that Bernie's more hardcore supporters are constantly harping about how "undemocratic" the whole thing is, yet the candidate who benefited from the most undemocratic parts of the process -- caucuses -- was Bernie.

He didn't lose because of "rigging".  He trailed in the polls the entire time.  He needed to make inroads with black and Latino folks, constituencies (particularly the former) who are extremely loyal to the Democratic Party and the establishment.  He couldn't do it.

DWS is, of course, an awful person, and Obama should've had her kicked out long ago, even if he didn't want the headache.  But she didn't cost Bernie the race.

Bernie lost because more Democratic primary voters wanted Hillary.  The end.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Aug 2nd, 2016 at 06:41:19 PM EST
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Proving Russia's guilt would be hard. And considering previous hacks were foreign state actors have been blamed - Sony springs to mind (blamed on North Korea, looked more like inside leak) - I think without proof, the blaming mainly says something about the blamer.

In this case, that the Democrat establishment/Clinton campaign answers domestic troubles by blaming Russia. And that is bad, considering the stakes if Clinton keeps that up after the election when her domestic agenda runs into trouble.

by fjallstrom on Fri Jul 29th, 2016 at 02:36:46 PM EST
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She might do something about Nuland, but I doubt it, and Kagan is a professor at Yale, though she might appoint him to her NSC, I hope not. Her tendencies ARE interventionist. I can only hope she controls them in the interest of accomplishing something at home. That she won't is probably the biggest single downside risk to her being POTUS.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Jul 28th, 2016 at 01:07:45 AM EST
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The hero worship around Sanders was always silly. It really wasn't his charisma that got a leftist insurgency close to taking over the party. I also see no reason to call his actions a betrayal. What made him trustworthy was his long and reasonable consistent record. And what was it exactly that he did the last few decades? Collaborating with some of the most loathsome people you can find in the Americas to get his amendments passed. So no, I'm neither surprised nor disappointed that he would cut a deal in the end.
I disagree that it was the only "adult" thing to do. This endorsement will hurt the American left's mobilisation and will certainly serve to delegitimise any successor organizations spinning off his campaign. The policy concessions he got were comparably minor. Clinton basically got the 2016 nomination for her 2008 endorsement.
However given the mileage right wing Dems have gotten out of their Nader Dolchstosslegende pulling a Cruze would have been vastly worse.
We're still having arguments about the stance of the Communists in Weimar after all.

Another thing: While it probably doesn't apply in the specific case of Germany I'd argue that the US are a nearly unique case in that foreigners have more to fear from their government than their citizens. We all will have to suffer under Clinton or Trump.

by generic on Wed Jul 27th, 2016 at 07:14:46 PM EST
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What happens to the left after tomorrow depends on whether the left want something to happen.

They can run off to join Jill Stein's greens and hibernate for 4 years beofre having another stab at a presidential, or they can go into neighbourhoods and work the hard yards getting people elected.

cos that's what Bernie did. He was a civil rights activist before he became a local mayor at the 3rd attempt. Then a congressman and finally Senator. He has been an elected representative for 35 years in one capacity or another.

If the left want something to happen, they can build it themselves or sit around waiting for somebody else to build it for them and then moan when they don't like the colour

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 27th, 2016 at 07:28:10 PM EST
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... hopefully. Disappointed narcissists can of course find refuge with St. Jill. But time and energy would be better spent working on downticket candidates. Congress and the Senate are the real battlefields.

Because in the end, the Ramshield will get his wish. It's very likely that Clinton will remain a one-term president. There's is just not a lot anyone can do to change that. So if Congress and the presidency fall to the tea people in 2020 then it's pretty much game over. Feel the Bern will just be a nostalgic memory then.

BTW curious how the Trumpian "crooked Hillary" rhetoric was swallowed wholesale. But at least the Ram is not a sellout, right?

Schengen is toast!

by epochepoque on Wed Jul 27th, 2016 at 08:53:17 PM EST
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I have said for months that it would be presumptous for me or other supporters of Sanders to attempt to dictate what he should or must do. That is infantile. Merge with the object of your affection, rage when it doesn't do what you want. Sanders has always said that his campaign was not about him and was intended to build a movement. He wants the movement to go on into the future. For that to happen, given his role and station in life, it must be done by others. He has shown the way and shown what can be accomplished. It is up to the mature amongst his supporters to take it upon themselves to carry the fight forward. The infantile will have their tantrums. Enjoy, Ram.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Jul 28th, 2016 at 01:56:39 AM EST
What always amazes me about many Americans discussing politics is the way they have of turning everything into a discussion of "Character" where the object of their devotion/hatred is either all evil or all good.  Thus Hillary is demonised and Sanders is deified or vice versa. Trump is idolized or hated. Any change of tactic by an admired leader is a personal betrayal.

You simply don't get this to the same degree in Europe, except perhaps among the very young or the very uninvolved. In Europe most political discussion is far more about policy, processes, negotiation, demographics, economic interests, shifts in the balance of power.  It may be about who is gaining or losing power or who got the better deal out of a negotiation, but the leaders associated with various policy positions are often almost incidental.

The Brexit debate was perhaps a slight departure from this norm, with the characters of Farage, Boris, Gove etc. becoming a larger part of the discussion.  But few people believe that politics is a morality play, with some leaders much more moral than others.  It is generally assumed that politicians are almost all more or less equally venal, and that those who aren't are probably very naive, impractical and unrealistic in what they think they can achieve.  You look at the interests and parties a politician serves and take it for granted that they will act in such a way as to promote those interests - unless they are totally incompetent, that is.

Now I know it's hard to discuss Trumpian politics without discussion the character of the man, if only because his policy positions seem to change from day to day and it his his character traits which seem more consistent.  Take for interest his love affair with Putin and penchant for all things authoritarian.

However would Trump even be a player in US politics if a lot of people hadn't embraced him with an almost messianic fervour and identified with him viscerally and emotionally?  You expect that with some socially inadequate or intellectually diminished personalities, but with intelligent, educated, or otherwise sane people?  The sort of racists who need others to hate on and blame for all their own troubles?

What is disappointing is to see this mirrored on the left and by people who are otherwise very capable.  Feeling the Bern was never much more than a politically adolescent crush.  At least Bernie doesn't have the narcissistic and messianic character traits of a Trump and realized it wasn't about him but about policy and influence and power within the next administration. Some of his "followers", not so much.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jul 28th, 2016 at 11:35:16 AM EST
All of us are more susceptible to propaganda than we would like to suppose. This also applies, especially, to elites. I hold to blame not so much the suffering people, in the US, the UK or Europe as I do the elites and their publicity organs, which masquerade as 'The Press' and who so routinely abuse with self serving acts the lofty purpose with which their own propaganda endows them. We all want to feel good about ourselves, billionaires can do so more effectively than can the bottom three quarters of the population. Reporters and presenters who can see the problems of the rest of the society are caught in a bind between the views of their superiors and the needs of the people. Too often they succumb to blaming the victim. It is hard for a man to understand something when his income depends on him not understanding.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Jul 28th, 2016 at 01:41:03 PM EST
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What's the betrayal? Not running as a write-in candidate in the general election?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 5th, 2016 at 08:22:44 AM EST
How does a write-in candidate for President work anyway? Aren't you voting for electors?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Aug 6th, 2016 at 04:12:00 PM EST
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LA Times: Bernie Sanders: I support Hillary Clinton. So should everyone who voted for me (August 5, 2016)
The conventions are over and the general election has officially begun. In the primaries, I received 1,846 pledged delegates, 46% of the total. Hillary Clinton received 2,205 pledged delegates, 54%. She received 602 superdelegates. I received 48 superdelegates. Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee and I will vigorously support her.

Donald Trump would be a disaster and an embarrassment for our country if he were elected president. His campaign is not based on anything of substance -- improving the economy, our education system, healthcare or the environment. It is based on bigotry. He is attempting to win this election by fomenting hatred against Mexicans and Muslims. He has crudely insulted women. And as a leader of the "birther movement," he tried to undermine the legitimacy of our first African American president. That is not just my point of view. That's the perspective of a number of conservative Republicans.

...

On virtually every major issue facing this country and the needs of working families, Clinton's positions are far superior to Trump's. Our campaigns worked together to produce the most progressive platform in the history of American politics. Trump's campaign wrote one of the most reactionary documents.



A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Aug 6th, 2016 at 05:42:53 PM EST


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