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Putin Ahead of G20 Meeting In Hamburg

by Oui Fri Jul 7th, 2017 at 04:37:48 PM EST

WATCH: President Trump Meets Putin and Gets Ready for G20 Summit Meeting in Germany, Hamburg 2017


According to US broadcaster NBC, citing pool reports, Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin are still talking:

    "President Trump and President Putin are still
    talking 90 minutes into meeting, per pool.
    They had originally been scheduled for 30 minutes."

More below the fold ...

G20 underway in Hamburg amid violent protests ++ live updates ++ | DW |

The G20 summit has begun in Hamburg amid a citywide shutdown and widespread protests. Chancellor Angela Merkel urged leaders to show unity on issues of climate change, trade and migration.

Lack of consensus on climate issues

The two-day meeting between the 19 most important industrial and emerging economies in the world (plus the European Union) will begin with a discussion on the fight against global warming. US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin will not take part in that, however, and have scheduled a formal meeting with each other instead.

Trump's absence from the climate discussion shows German organizers that the United States would prefer to leave the issue out of the all-important summit declaration completely.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel suggested on Thursday evening that officials would have two long nights ahead of them as they attempt to settle on a declaration wording that all parties can agree on. "The negotiations are not easy," she said.

Currently many contradictions still exist between the participating nations, not only on climate change policy, but also on world trade and migration. Some summit diplomats have said that the US could oppose the rest of the G20 membership and abandon the goal of reaching a general consensus altogether.  

China and EU strengthen promise to Paris deal with US poised to step away | The Guardian |
EU-Japan trade deal poses risks for post-Brexit UK | FT |
City of London delegation to press Brussels for free-trade deal | FT |

Re-posted from @another thread ...

Trump's white-nationalist dog whistles in Warsaw | Jonathan Capehart | Washington Post

"We write symphonies." What on Earth does that have to do with anything? It's bad enough Trump is doing the one thing his predecessors studiously avoided: engaging in the battle-of-civilizations talk that inflames anger and tensions with Muslims, particularly in the Middle East. In that one line, taken in context with everything else Trump said, what I heard was the loudest of dog whistles. A familiar boast that swells the chests of white nationalists everywhere.

H/T by Gag Halfrunt on Fri Jul 7th, 2017 at 04:35:08 PM PDT

From my earlier diary - Steve Bannon as Representative of a US Islamophobic Network .

HRC's speech on the alt-right as Ukip's Farage campaigned with Trump in Mississippi, blaming Putin - Aug. 2016

HRC never got a grip on her campaign to either focus on the issues or go along with the craziness of the media and tweets of the day. She was jubilant when the IC establishment of Langley and Washington (neo-cons) backed her candidacy. Like a kiss of death.

Angela Merkel offered her G20 guests a classical music concert in the new concert hall of Hamburg's symphony orchestra. Merkel made sure Ludwig Van Beethoven's 9th "Ode to Joy" was played, a sort of torture moment for U.S. president Trump!

Posted earlier in my new diary @BooMan - G20: First Lady Melania Attracts a Smile from Vladimir.

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Sat Jul 8th, 2017 at 07:56:42 AM EST
Trump write symphonies... Haven't we all.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Sat Jul 8th, 2017 at 09:01:44 AM EST
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From your CNN link
The Ninth Symphony was Ludwig van Beethoven' final major work -- the composer was deaf by the time it was completed.
So much for those late string quartets. And they make fun of Trump.....
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Jul 8th, 2017 at 12:27:27 PM EST
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And the late piano sonatas.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jul 9th, 2017 at 04:56:13 AM EST
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No wonder Trump is Putin's favourite: he's making America weak again | Jonathan Freedland | The Guardian
This is where the Russia imbroglio has left Trump. If he had confronted Putin in Hamburg, even fairly neutral observers would have wondered if it was staged for effect; if he'd made a show of comity, then it would be evidence that he was Moscow's dupe. It did not, for example, escape the notice of the US press that Trump said it was an "honour" to meet Putin (while Putin merely confessed himself "delighted"). That use of "honour" implied a deference that, had Barack Obama voiced it, would not have been forgiven by Trump's loudest supporters - or indeed by Trump himself. So this is the hole the US president has dug for himself. He can move neither forward nor backward. He is paralysed - and so, therefore, is the US-Russian relationship.
by Gag Halfrunt on Sat Jul 8th, 2017 at 12:39:17 PM EST
Would that is were so. But I fear Trump has almost unlimited power to make things worse and no power to restrain himself from so doing.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jul 8th, 2017 at 07:15:52 PM EST
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The really significant outcome of the Trump presidency to date is that the USA is losing the leadership of the Western alliance, what's left of it. The EU is now his mortal foe, and the other major G20 leaders couldn't give a fig for what he thinks. And if the USA can simply tear up it's commitments to the Paris Climate Change convention, what's the point of bothering to agree to any other deals with the USA? Theresa May's pathetic and shambolic attempts to find friends always excepted...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Jul 9th, 2017 at 04:09:03 PM EST
I thought Trump's comment about trade deals with the UK was laughable, coming from a man who absolutely no idea what is involved in a trade deal between nations.

He evidently thinks it's something he can negotiate face to face with Theresa May in a couple of hours.

But, in some ways worse was the way that the news was greeted by the right here as some sort of proof that they were right all along. All they have to do is grit their teeth and hold a steady course and America will ride to the rescue, just like always. Truly these people are revealed as morons beyond our previous capacity to imagine.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 9th, 2017 at 08:14:48 PM EST
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keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 9th, 2017 at 08:07:08 PM EST
It seems that Chris Uhlmann blames the "intellectual virus" of "neo-Marxist" Frankfurt School critical theory for bringing America to its knees. This suggests that he is not opposed to Trump's values but, rather, angry that he is failing to advance those values.
by Gag Halfrunt on Mon Jul 10th, 2017 at 12:04:56 AM EST
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Ugh ... the Frankfurt School couldn't even conquer the theory classes in my grad program at the University of Michigan, let alone the US. The article sounded so absured that I wanted to read it, but was deflected by the paywall.

I am willing to bet that the author is just angry that the Trump presidency has given Adorno and Horkheimer a new relevance. Maybe mass culture DOES inevitably lead to fascism.

by Zwackus on Mon Jul 10th, 2017 at 01:08:33 AM EST
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You beat me to it.  Alleging that the Frankfurt School has meaningful influence in the US shows that Uhlmann is a right wing tool thrashing about desperately for something to blame the world's problems on other than the twin monsters of neoliberalism and neoconservatism, and even HE thinks Der Drumpfenfuehrer is a putz.
by rifek on Wed Jul 12th, 2017 at 01:39:28 AM EST
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There was a time when journalists backed free speech

Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left.

Repressive Tolerance (1965) -- Herbert Marcuse

It was a liberating experience. In a morning moment of madness I had decided to tweet into the maelstrom of media rage created by former prime minister Tony Abbott's decision to fly to the US to address the Alliance Defending Freedom.

It had been prompted by an interview where an American tolerance commissar opined it was appalling, in a democracy, that people opposed to abortion and gay marriage were allowed to air their toxic views.

As social projects go, this wasteland was a tough sell, but neo-Marxists are nothing if not dogged. They built critical theory as a vehicle for change and began the deconstruction of the West.

Frankfurt School academics fleeing Adolf Hitler's Germany transmitted the intellectual virus to the US and set about systematically destroying the culture of the society that gave them sanctuary.

America's freedom of speech was its achilles heel. Critical theorists were given university pulpits and a constitutionally ordained right to preach, grinding its foundation stones to dust. Since 1933 they have been hellbent on destroying the village to save it.

Tony Abbott's sister Christine Forster rebukes him over same-sex marriage speech | The Guardian - Jan. 29, 2016 |

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Mon Jul 10th, 2017 at 04:43:38 AM EST
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But the problem with "free speech" as defined by the American press is that it's "any old bullshit that sells".

When the Fairness doctrine was abolished and Fox began to appear, the press sat back and decided that it was not their job to check the veracity of any claim by a politician. this unleashed Gingrich and his campaign of torrent of lies, innuendo and half truth against clinton. This was followed online by Drudge and ABC News "The Note" which were conduits for the GOP dirty tricks bullshit brigade.

It wouldn't have been so bad if real journalists had decided to find out if any of these lies had any foundation, but they felt that their job was to boost the signal and then let the Dems deny it. Great for ratings but terrible for the public sense of truth.

It has become so bad that a man can blatantly lie his way into the white House and respected newspapers will put his daily accusations on the front page as if they had any merit whatsoever. The news media lost all credibility and now wonders how it happened.

Try fact-checking guys

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 10th, 2017 at 03:29:40 PM EST
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