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December Open Thread

by Bjinse Mon Dec 3rd, 2018 at 10:43:37 PM EST

The main reason December is so jolly is because Santa knows where all the bad threads live


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by generic on Tue Dec 4th, 2018 at 07:41:13 PM EST
surely this is quite old now. Musk's claims about being able to "rescue" the kids were being debunked in real time by people who knew the cave layout pointing out exactly how detached from reality his ideas were.

This only matters cos Musk has refused to retract his childish outbursts against Unsworth and is thus being sued for what, given Musk's net worth, is really only a nominal sum (c $100k I think).

But Musk is definitely being a dick about this and I hope he loses and is given punitive costs

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 5th, 2018 at 10:18:22 PM EST
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Well, it matters to me since that was the first time I really paid attention to him. Since then he has turned into one of my favorite grifters. His cars explode, find exciting parking opportunities in fire trucks and have comparable uptime to a modern fighter plane. Saving the world, one shoddily slapped together luxury car at a time.
by generic on Fri Dec 7th, 2018 at 10:27:24 AM EST
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Bjinse, too funny.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Dec 4th, 2018 at 08:22:36 PM EST
Deer mister Bins

Santa do snot egzist he is my dad wiv a fols beerd

Hop e this hellps

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Wed Dec 5th, 2018 at 10:44:26 AM EST

by generic on Wed Dec 5th, 2018 at 01:36:24 PM EST
So true.

I finally got around to investigating this Greek "corn" malaprop in my second reading of Ste. Croix. The first time around I noted with interest but set that aside because there are so many other curious complaints about it.

I've come across a wonderfully thorough public domain historiography (published in the 1920s) debunking 15th cen. "cotton" and "tobacco" marketing by Spanish and Portuguese slavers in the NEW! World; and chuckled at diverse references to "iron" mining and "God" in epic verse of Homer, for example.

##Translations don't write themselves, yo.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Dec 5th, 2018 at 09:30:34 PM EST
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Leo Weiner, Africa and the Discovery of America, 1922

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Jan 6th, 2019 at 02:38:12 AM EST
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Pete Shelley is dead
There's a chunk of my adolescence right there

I don't mind - the Buzzcocks

Reality's a dream
A game in which I seem to never find out just what I am
I don't know if I'm an actor or ham
A shaman or sham
But if you don't mind, I don't mind

I'm lost without a clue
So how can I undo the tangle of these webs I keep weaving?
I don't know if I should be believing
Deceptive perceiving
But if you don't mind, I don't mind

I used to bet that you didn't care
But gambling never got me anywhere
Each time I used to feel so sure
Something about you made me doubt you more

How can you convince me
When everything I see just makes me feel you're putting me down
And if it's true, this pathetic clown'll keep hanging around
That's if you don't mind, I don't mind

I used to bet that you didn't care
But gambling never got me anywhere
Each time I used to be so sure
Something about you made me doubt you more

I even think you hate me when you call me on the phone
And sometimes when we go out, then I wish, I'd stayed at home
And when I'm dreaming or just lying in my bed
I think you've got it in for me, is it all in my head, is it in my head?

How can you convince me
When everything I see
Just makes me feel you're putting me down
And if it's true this pathetic clown'll keep hanging around
That's if you don't mind, I don't mind, I don't mind



It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Dec 7th, 2018 at 04:02:25 PM EST
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Dec 8th, 2018 at 07:10:43 PM EST
This American Life | Little War on the Prairie, podcast (EN)
Minnesota, site of the largest mass execution in U.S. history

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Dec 8th, 2018 at 07:47:22 PM EST
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BIEWEN: The quality of the teaching varies.

Monroe Elementary [school] is just across the river from hanging site. Patricia Hammond is prepping her third grad class for the 'pow-wow.' I asked her how she presents the War of 1862, standing with her in front of her students.

HAMMOND: We just alked about, like, a conflict is a disagreement. And we talked how the Dakota indians didn't know how to solve their conflicts, and the only way they knew how to solve their disagreements was to fight, which we know, we don't fight when we solve our conflicts. We use our words, but they, that was their only way that they knew how to solve a conflict. They fought. And so the white settlers needed to fight back to protect themselves. And then we talked, people were killed.



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Dec 8th, 2018 at 08:51:02 PM EST
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I'd love to hear her class on Auschwitz.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Mon Dec 10th, 2018 at 01:45:13 PM EST
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The scientific reason you want to squeeze cute things
"Cute aggression" is a superficial display of aggression typically uttered in response to young children and young, attractive animals. It's also an example of what would be called 'dimorphous expression,' which is a name given to what happens when someone expresses one emotion while feeling another, i.e., "cute" + "aggression." "Cute aggression" is a documented psychological phenomenon, but a recent study from UC Riverside suggests -- and this is what's new -- that there may be a neurological basis for the phenomenon as well.

[...]

In short, the study seems to offer evidence to affirm something resembling the following: you see a cute animal. You see a cute baby. Your brain rewards you so much that you feel overwhelmed. You express the opposite of that emotion to bring yourself back into balance. This leaves you in a more effective place to take care of a small animal or child.

by das monde on Tue Dec 11th, 2018 at 08:54:57 AM EST
perhaps with an optimal set of "54 participants between 18 and 40". yanno, the ones who frequently squeeze babies.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Dec 11th, 2018 at 04:49:56 PM EST
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Robert Mueller devotional candle
What's the hottest gift this holiday season? An L.O.L. Surprise doll? A Nintendo Switch? Fortnite llama swag?

No, you fool. It's a Robert Mueller devotional candle.  

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Dec 12th, 2018 at 02:19:56 PM EST
The situation here is pretty psychotic.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Dec 12th, 2018 at 02:50:25 PM EST
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you wanna try being in the UK right now?

Mere psychotic madness would be an improvement

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 12th, 2018 at 08:01:49 PM EST
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< wipes tears >
Well, no. I'm on the family dole in Bal'more, USA, and really, really wouldn't trade the city's most interesting arrangements for deadbeats with the local BGE utility for a London BGE pay-go meter.

Are those still installed?!


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Dec 12th, 2018 at 09:38:42 PM EST
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BGE  = Baltimore Gas and Electric?

yea, the smart meter scam is all over our utilities here. Fortunately they are voluntary here and we've never entertained the idea.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Dec 13th, 2018 at 05:39:04 PM EST
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Yes!

I can't think of the brand name for British Gas and Electricity at the turn of the century when I lived in London. (BT is difficult to forget.) What I do recall, when I let our townhouse, is that the utility offered me the option of monthly billing -OR- 'top up' card payment for utilities. I wondered if 'top up' was still an billing option.

Never heard of such a thing as 'top up' card payment in the USA. I called the estate agent. I was looking for a card reader on the furnace. Scared the crap out of me, because I'd let in Swiss Cottage hoping to evade universal po' people discrimination. (I graciously accepted monthly billing by electronic debit.)

The laugh is, here I am near two decades later in Bal'more, po' people's murder capitol of Maryland, where city government brow beats utilities into accepting non-payment from customers as a fact of life. Schweet.

< wipes tears >


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Dec 16th, 2018 at 06:24:24 PM EST
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From ... and forgive them their debts, page xv.
Our epoch is strangely selective when it comes to distinguishing between what is plausibly historical and believable in the Bible, and what seems merely mythic or utopian. Fundamentalist Christians show their faith that God created the earth in six days (on Sunday, October 23, 4004 BC according to Archbishop James Ussher in 1650) by building museums with dioramas showing humans cavorting alongside dinosaurs, While deeming this literal reading of Genesis to be historical, they ignore the Biblical narratives describing the centuries-long struggle between debtors and creditors. The economic laws of Moses and the Prophets, which Jesus announced his intention to revive and fulfill, are brushed aside as anachronistic artifacts, not the moral center of the Old and New Testaments, the Jewish and Christian bibles. The Jubilee Year (Leviticus 25) is the "good news" that Jesus - in his first reported sermon (Luke 4) - announced that he had come to proclaim.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Dec 14th, 2018 at 09:13:50 AM EST
by das monde on Fri Dec 14th, 2018 at 11:02:53 AM EST
is it me or has there been an acceleration in the noise around the Trump administration?

I've must admit I've got sick of all the noise around Muller, to the point where I thought it resembled the FireDogLake mania about Fitzgerald's investigation of the Plame affair, which fizzled out into the most nothing-burger ever.

But in the last week...

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Dec 15th, 2018 at 08:40:46 PM EST
It's hard to say.  There's been speculation Mueller toned it down in the fall because of the mid-terms.  It could also be the mid-terms crowded out Mueller and they have column inches and air time to fill.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sun Dec 16th, 2018 at 04:26:03 PM EST
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A few considerations:

1)By the standards of previous episodes in the USA Mueller is proceeding quite rapidly. Such investigations start with small fry who can be flipped to testify against bigger fish. A lot there has already happened.

2)Secrecy is a major asset in such investigations. Mueller only releases information via indictments and sentencing memoranda. He is not at a point where he can clearly force Trump to testify or where he can indict Trump.

3)Mueller is being strategic. What would be the point of presenting all of his information at a time when all three branches of government are controlled by Republicans. Mueller is now poised to file against members of Trump's family.

4)The issue of the Trump Campaign conspiring with Russia to influence the outcome of the 2016 election is heavily freighted with political overtones. This issue must wait until Democrats take control of the House - now just a week away.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Dec 25th, 2018 at 11:08:40 PM EST
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The Gods That Will Fail [?]
This question is an empirical one: Does tribalism feed a deep human hunger that liberalism does not? Liberals, I think, give up too easily on this point. Defenders of the old liberal order are tired and jaded, it's true--who can observe the iniquities and false promises of modernity without a loss of faith? But the contention that Enlightenment liberalism's mojo has natural limits, and that illiberalism's mojo is inexhaustible, seems to me at best debatable [...]

[...] "American [intellectuals] think they are atheists," this grim man said, "but they are not atheists. In Romania -- there you found men who believed in nothing."

Compared with these nihilists, American liberals look vapidly chipper. When they peer into the existential abyss, they assure themselves that it has a bottom, just out of sight, and when they toss a penny into it they think their wishes will be granted. The real nihilism is daily in evidence by the Trump administration, which will tell not only noble lies -- the alleged sin of the George W. Bush administration -- but indefensibly ignoble ones, and which swaggers past all moral lines, both in policy and in electoral politics.

by das monde on Sun Dec 16th, 2018 at 11:03:08 AM EST
I always wonder who these "liberals" are who infest the imaginations of centre right concer-trolls. As painted, they don't look like liberals to me, they look more like centre-right "thinkers" of no particular persuation who worry that their preferred prescription for life, located somewhere between the corporate left and the corporate right (ie much the same place,), seems to have been  abandoned by everybody for the desolate wasteland it is.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 16th, 2018 at 08:37:42 PM EST
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It's the old Democratic Leadership Council people wandering off into irrelevance except in the pages of magazines nobody reads.

 

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Mon Dec 17th, 2018 at 06:27:12 PM EST
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yeah, when I was slumming with the California Cohort of Petty Landlords (online), I got in the habit of classifying their rants and favored celebrities either "liberal liberal" or "conservative liberal"; free trade being the only principle of ahh representative democracy that they shared.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Jan 6th, 2019 at 05:25:12 PM EST
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although if he's worried that x-tianity seems to have gone missing in rational politics, then perhaps x-tianity should not have become so obviously and publicly corrupted by both plain old sexual depravity and partizan right wing political preference.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 16th, 2018 at 08:48:35 PM EST
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Christianity has always been a paragon of opposition to Rationality, also in its leftish varieties (along with Romanticism, Post-modernism). The Trump cult promises to win more bigly. But liberals themselves are more Romantic than Rational now, in their rejection of "deplorables", yearning for zero masculinity, expectation of Justice, belief in institutions.
by das monde on Mon Dec 17th, 2018 at 06:29:37 PM EST
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People such as myself has said as much of the schema
economics
and
"politics".
(politics get the scare quotes, because its pretty clear that in western "civilization" that the demos are resigned to the belief, "politics" is out of their hands. A vanishing number will take no responsibility for representative democracy, the system of government in which are said to participate, and the agency of its effects: It's not me. They can't win. It's the Powers That Be. The Deep State. Too Big To Fail. 'Our' elites.)

Fingers to the wind.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Dec 18th, 2018 at 01:47:19 PM EST
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The whole article is a joke, predicated on the childish notion that morality is predicated on religious belief (explicit in the Romanian anecdote : atheism = nihilism).

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Tue Dec 18th, 2018 at 08:35:56 AM EST
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The article subtitle starts with

"If voters are freighting politics with religious significance...."

and mostly analyzes Sulivan's article

America's New Religions

So author's own involvement (above Dunning-Krugers' level, apparently) is beside the main point. Your kind of dismissal only illustrates something about liberals' empirical detachment.

by das monde on Tue Dec 18th, 2018 at 09:27:47 AM EST
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Some familiarity with historical systems of human social organization is needed to assay comparative discursion on "rationality": The 'Age of Reason' ushered by western 'Enlightenment' to the forefront of moral imperatives, or mores--with imperial teleology--is a canard. Rhetorical distinctions between secular and religious customs express one canon of hierarchical domination and liberation.

To date, the elaborate sophistry of western 'Enlightenment' --a project entirely dedicated to dissembling political and religious customs-- has subjugated untold millions of people to a value system administrated by a cadre, armed by covert and overt violence.

Violence (annihilation of another) is one system of human organization, preceded in point of fact by the biological emergence, if you will, of rationality in human being.

If one can trust that symbolic language signifies 'higher-order' cognition ('reasoning') and mutually intelligible speech, it follows that this faculty indeed defines humanity, bar none. These attributes are not severable. Obversely, irrationality expresses unintelligible speech.

This is another system of human organization: The purposes of exchanging known and expressing unknown knowledge between people should be self-evident, species preservation. The density of these exchanges in any space-time can be understood as an occurence "society," regardless of the symbolic term adopted by two or more people.

We generations of modernity have been tutored to name categorically religion that which is unknown experience. Known experience, oral and written artifacts (repetition) of organized human industry, predicates 'history'. More ridiculous in this age of abstract reasoning is, western imperial violence has systematically denied philosophical status in its ranks to the customs of its subjugated peoples.

Division of labor within a society is another system of human organization. It may be mutually agreed (contingent) or habitual as with hereditary assignment to each generation in a society or violence. We generations of modernity have been tutored to name categorically economics that experience with and esoteric knowledge of a division of labor.

The dominance of any one of these systems in the "rationalization" and organization of humans by human 'authorities' is cyclical. Neologism is rife.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Dec 18th, 2018 at 03:26:03 PM EST
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Reason is a power structure that immediately gets suspected very much in the West, Islam and other cultures. Enlightenment is just the most successful rational project yet -- indeed an imperial hurricane, but falling into energetic restrictions as well.

Religion may still have little real competition in the area of unknown experiences (where rationality quickly undercuts itself). Species preservation is exactly an area with many unknowns. Particularly, climate change is an unprecedented unknown in its scale. Most likely, our acute innovation won't go much further than re-establishment of unjust authorities and divisions of labor. Who else than progressives would be the last to see those signs?

by das monde on Tue Dec 18th, 2018 at 07:32:47 PM EST
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Sorry, have you mistaken me for a liberal?

Memo to self : try harder.

It's obvious that the writer is buying into Sullivan's (Sullivan's!) framing. And by your choice to meta-analyse Sullivan via a review of his rambling, trivial article, you are buying into it too, by considering the whole shambles to be worthy of comment. Frankly, it isn't.

To indulge you, I have read the first few paragraphs of Sullivan's drivel :

Everyone has a religion. It is, in fact, impossible not to have a religion if you are a human being.
[SNIP]

And we have the cult of social justice on the left, a religion whose followers show the same zeal as any born-again Evangelical. They are filling the void that Christianity once owned, without any of the wisdom and culture and restraint that Christianity once provided.

It doesn't seem to ever occur to anyone in this chain of commentary -- you at the top, down to Sullivan at the bottom -- that people can believe in things, and fight for them, because they are good in themselves, according to a self-defined system of values, without any need of tribal or religious validation.

That there are vast numbers of humans who have not achieved emancipation from their anthropoid need of tribal value systems, is self-evident, and the hardest political problem there is.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Dec 18th, 2018 at 06:20:16 PM EST
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Sulivan is not elaborate, but his straightforward assessment is not necessarily boring or wrong.
By religion, I mean something quite specific: a practice not a theory; a way of life that gives meaning, a meaning that cannot really be defended without recourse to some transcendent value, undying "Truth" or God (or gods).

Which is to say, even today's atheists are expressing an attenuated form of religion.

If you want to see liberal values win, tribal validation is not mandatory indeed. But if too many people are actually repulsed by how far intersectionality, queer "tolerance" and similar unbounded values are going, that is perhaps exactly why Trump gets all validation and more.
by das monde on Tue Dec 18th, 2018 at 06:58:59 PM EST
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Well, if the issue is tribalism vs rationality, Sullivan has no added value from my point of view. He seems to posit that "liberals" are a tribe, and that their tribalism is inferior to others.

Your objection to rationality (what you call liberalism) is apparently the age-old one of religious moralists : "Gay rights brought down the Roman Empire", etc...

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Wed Dec 19th, 2018 at 04:12:58 PM EST
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Liberalism and Rationality are not the same things. As I suggested above, liberals could be rather Romantics. Liberal moral purity may appear more than unattractive to most of population -- what is compassionate then?

The subject of liberal religion is taking off on the dark internet:

Postmodern Religion and the Faith of Social Justice

by das monde on Thu Dec 20th, 2018 at 10:11:08 AM EST
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OK, [pandering to your définitions for the sake of argument], so liberals are just another tribe/faith, and my first instinct was right : I am not a member, and indeed nobody here is, as far as I can see. As for the Maoists, if they are included in your definition of "liberals", then that's... interesting (from a psychiatric point of view)

The non-tribal people, those who actually buy into the idea of individual emancipation, don't seem to exist in your taxonomy (nor in that of Sullivan). That's fine with me :)

Just keep on trying to put me in a category.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Dec 20th, 2018 at 02:56:33 PM EST
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It does not matter what I categorize or not.

Faith is characterized by absence of limits. As the drive for intersectional justice shows no sensitivity outside its focus, that will provoke categorizations and comparisons with Mao, alas. That is my message.

by das monde on Thu Dec 20th, 2018 at 03:09:03 PM EST
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It does not matter what I categorize or not.

You're right about that.

There are always extremists on all sides on hot-button social issues. Your determination to categorize me with the people who are hostile to the study of "ROGD" tells us plenty about you, and nothing about me. (Oh I suppose you can guess my opinion on that subject. Will you kindly fill me in?)

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Dec 20th, 2018 at 03:43:07 PM EST
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I did not expect you to be that kind of a zealot, even if you are reluctant to bad-mouth them.
by das monde on Thu Dec 20th, 2018 at 03:53:38 PM EST
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But surely I must follow the laws of my tribe? I'm confused. Please explain.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Dec 20th, 2018 at 04:23:38 PM EST
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We are not patronizing each other
by das monde on Thu Dec 20th, 2018 at 05:45:18 PM EST
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I deliberately choice the word 'society', because 'tribe' is an artifact --a pejorative one at that--of western European ethnographic 'disciplines' dedicated to study of so-called primitive people and their customs viz. hagiography of colonial rule in perpetual progress toward perfection of itself.

Vinay Lal, among many other critics of western European historicism beside Foucault, has commented on such language, invented to displace humanity and 'civilization' and political sophistication of any sort in 'the other'.

One humorous, memorable quote in his survey of British India encapsulates the problem for anyone struggling to discard the yoke of the, one, 'progressive' value system:

What's the difference between anthropology and sociology? Sociology is when you study your own people.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Dec 18th, 2018 at 07:44:39 PM EST
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This course is good to follow:

by das monde on Thu Dec 20th, 2018 at 03:27:39 PM EST
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entertaining 100-level to "chaos and complexity", rung several of my favorite pivots here on Anglo-merican psychopathy --the search for mitigating circumstances in capital punishment, for instance, the dread B.F. Skinner, western mind-body dichotomies, stereotype ("category thinking'), Nash equilibrium, human "speciation," etc. and, most surprising, reference to labial-velar consonant "evolution", e.g. b<->p.

That I learned about by reading Bernal, vol. II-III, lengthy application of historical linguistics to documentary artifacts of afro-asiatic languages. d<->t is common; a<->o vowels, too, (I forget the terminology  off-hand) introduced a few dramatic lexical errors and transliterations in cognates, e.g. psyche.

< sigh >

return of "interdisciplinary study" in the '80s, "unlearning" a crazy-ass canon of besserwissen: "animals behave to maximize the number of gene copies for the future generation" is not "group selection."

Like I said, neologism is rife.
 

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Dec 21st, 2018 at 01:00:45 AM EST
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To ve fair, the Brits can do a good riot when the mood strikes them.

by generic on Mon Dec 17th, 2018 at 01:40:59 AM EST
The mood would be right now with the other outcome of the referendum, no?
by das monde on Mon Dec 17th, 2018 at 06:31:14 PM EST
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The Independent
A man has been sentenced to monthly viewings of Disney's Bambi due to his involvement in a large-scale deer poaching case.

David Berry Jr, of Brookline, Missouri, was ordered to watch the 1942 animated classic on or before 23 December, 2018, then once a month during his year-long incarceration, the Springfield News-Leader reported.

When Donald Trump finally goes to jail, will they order him to watch Pinocchio once a month?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Dec 18th, 2018 at 10:13:27 AM EST
I see a joke, perhaps not the one intended. It's funny to me, because (1) Trump is never going to jail; he may well be bankrupted again; (2) application of the Pinocchio moral may well vindicate Trump.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Dec 18th, 2018 at 03:32:43 PM EST
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You think he'll turn into a human being in the end?

That's a long shot. I'll give you odds.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Dec 18th, 2018 at 06:22:13 PM EST
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Humanity is the reward for honesty in this picaresque tale, and one's desire to become human its prerequisite.

What I'm saying is, if punishment and redemption were actually fit to the 'boy' protagonist, Trump would renounce his lying ways, becoming human.

Understably, one may not expect redemption. The world has just, in the space of one year, witness lengthy, maudlin eulogies for two notorious lying liars of the 'free' world.

So let's tack. I nominate, ALEX in A Clockwork Orange for the more appropriate, if unsatisfying allegory of 'redemptive justice' for Trump's retirement.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Dec 18th, 2018 at 06:50:03 PM EST
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Hah !!! that would be good

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 18th, 2018 at 07:43:18 PM EST
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The problem with these proposals is that they assume that the Bambi punishment will have the desired effect. It's just as possible that the poacher, seeing Bambi's mother being killed, will think "good shot". I'll let you draw your own conclusions about Trump and the rape scene. Trump would probably love seeing Pinocchio killing the cricket with his hammer - except that Disney cut that episode from the movie.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Dec 19th, 2018 at 02:46:16 PM EST
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How Britain stole $45 trillion from India
Here's how it worked. The East India Company began collecting taxes in India, and then cleverly used a portion of those revenues (about a third) to fund the purchase of Indian goods for British use. In other words, instead of paying for Indian goods out of their own pocket, British traders acquired them for free, "buying" from peasants and weavers using money that had just been taken from them.

[...] The re-export system allowed Britain to finance a flow of imports from Europe, including strategic materials like iron, tar and timber, which were essential to Britain's industrialisation. Indeed, the Industrial Revolution depended in large part on this systematic theft from India.

On top of this, the British were able to sell the stolen goods to other countries for much more than they "bought" them for in the first place, pocketing not only 100 percent of the original value of the goods but also the markup.

After the British Raj took over in 1858, colonisers added a special new twist to the tax-and-buy system. As the East India Company's monopoly broke down, Indian producers were allowed to export their goods directly to other countries. But Britain made sure that the payments for those goods nonetheless ended up in London.

Reasonable accounting?
by das monde on Thu Dec 20th, 2018 at 10:31:50 AM EST
probably, iirc colonialism was never conceived as an altruistic project

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Dec 21st, 2018 at 09:20:32 PM EST
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Often justified as one though.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun Dec 23rd, 2018 at 02:08:52 PM EST
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In the sense that the people often justified it on altruistic grounds.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun Dec 23rd, 2018 at 02:54:25 PM EST
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yes, we built India's railways, doncha know.

It might have worked even 60 years ago, but I doubt even most Tories believe that (Boris and Jacob obviously excepted)

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Dec 24th, 2018 at 08:53:35 PM EST
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I have really bad news for you.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Dec 26th, 2018 at 01:53:41 AM EST
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by generic on Fri Dec 21st, 2018 at 11:41:09 AM EST

by generic on Fri Dec 21st, 2018 at 05:37:09 PM EST
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by generic on Sat Dec 22nd, 2018 at 02:09:36 PM EST
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great shot. However, I believe that during the 30s there was a strong belief in dropping nets on bombers which proved less practical than they imagined.

In discussions with an engineer friend of mine I suggested doppler location and she liked the idea, she's the kind of person who will run with that and produce an actual working prototype over xmas.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Dec 24th, 2018 at 08:49:14 PM EST
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Gatwick drones pair 'no longer suspects' - BBC News
And he said there was "always a possibility" the reported sightings of drones were mistaken.
by generic on Tue Dec 25th, 2018 at 07:34:55 PM EST
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by generic on Sat Dec 29th, 2018 at 01:05:59 PM EST
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From Current Affairs
Fortune: Higher Rents Correlate To Higher Homeless Rates, New Research Shows

CNBC: Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: Is curing patients a sustainable business model?

Bloomberg: Americans Are Dying Younger, Saving Corporations Billions: Life expectancy gains have stalled. The grim silver lining? Lower pension costs.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Dec 25th, 2018 at 12:07:01 PM EST
There was a storylin from Judge Dredd comic where Judge Death would kill all living things on the principle that only living beings commit crime.

I think we are at the point where capitalism will declare all unproductive human units surplus to requirements and withdraw food and water entitlements

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 26th, 2018 at 08:23:49 PM EST
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From the IBM Songbook
I. B. M., Happy men, smiling all the way.
Oh what fun it is to sell our products night and day.
I. B. M., Watson men, partners of T. J.
In his service to mankind-that's why we are so gay.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Dec 25th, 2018 at 12:09:08 PM EST
I have somewhat been following the fall-out of the Integrity Initiative documents.

The short version is that somebody put up their documents - hacked or leaked - and the picture have emerged of a US/UK/NATO funded organisation with ties to intelligence services that under the cloak of a charity has been "countering Russian propaganda" by propaganda of their own.

So far their accomplishments appear to be getting a volunteer into the Sanders campaign, stopping an appointment in Spain, writing all kinds of "Russians are coming" articles and dissing Corbyn on Twitter.

The most comprehensive write-up I have found is this: http://syriapropagandamedia.org/working-papers/briefing-note-on-the-integrity-initiative

Anyone noticed any traditional media coverage of it yet?

by fjallstrom on Tue Dec 25th, 2018 at 05:10:57 PM EST
New to me, I'll look into it ...

From a website of Anon CyberGuerrilla the name Maria de Goeij popped up:

Maria de Goeij  - LinkedIn
The Institute for Statecraft, London - fellows

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Tue Dec 25th, 2018 at 06:01:21 PM EST
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Your link is already pretty comprehensive, what is your question or goal? Link also refers to Tim Hayward's blog which supports the investigation into "Statecraft".

I see that the Henry Jackson Society is also linked as a partner. That's not new to me. See my earlier reporting in November on the USA Intelligence Initiative to smear Russians and legitimate bloggers in the states.

Khodorkovsky - The Interpreter - Henry Jackson Society (UK)
Unpacking PropOrNot Misinformation Site (2017)
PropOrNot: Identifying & Combatting Russian Online Propaganda | OUR ALLIES |

I've been pretty much blacklisted since then @BooMan.

You should also reread diary here @EuroTrib in 2008 by  djhabakkuk ...

'Flex players', and the 'forward strategy' ...

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Tue Dec 25th, 2018 at 06:33:28 PM EST
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I was mostly wondering if it was getting traction in the MSM, because they have the position to demand official answers. So thanks for the links, and in particular the one to Guardian, which also links to the Twitter flow of a Labour MP who with official questions getting the government on record with their official lies.
by fjallstrom on Tue Dec 25th, 2018 at 09:08:11 PM EST
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Further coverage:

Foreign Office denies state funds went to Twitter account criticising Labour | The Guardian - Dec 13, 2018 |
Newly Released 'Integrity Initiative' Papers Include Proposal For Large Disinformation Campaigns | MoA |

The offer claims that the company can launch hundreds of "news" pieces per day on as many websites. It notably also offers to "edit" Wikipedia articles.

In short: This proposal describes large disinformation operations under the disguise of fighting alleged Russian disinformation. It is at the core what the Integrity Initiative, which obviously requested the proposal, is about.

But as we saw in the information revealed yesterday there is more to it. The Initiative, which has lots of 'former' military and intelligence people among its staff, is targeting the political left in Britain as well as in other countries. It is there where it becomes a danger to the democratic societies of Europe.

British Security Service Infiltration, the Integrity Initiative and the Institute for Statecraft | Craig Murray |

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Tue Dec 25th, 2018 at 06:52:14 PM EST
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UK Gov: Just a Scottish Charity

Foreign and Commonwealth Office: Integrity Initiative: Written question - 196177

Q  Asked by Chris Williamson (Derby North) [N]             Asked on: 27 November 2018
Foreign and Commonwealth Office: Integrity Initiative         196177

To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, whether his Department has (a) funded, (b) provided contracts to and (c) procured the services of the Integrity Initiative in each financial year since 2015/16.

A  Answered by: Sir Alan Duncan                      Answered on: 03 December 2018

The Institute for Statecraft is an independent, Scottish, charitable body whose work seeks to improve governance and enhance national security. They launched the Integrity Initiative in 2015 to defend democracy against disinformation.

In financial year 2017/18, the FCO funded the Institute for Statecraft's Integrity Initiative £296,500. This financial year, the FCO is funding a further £1,961,000. Both have been funded through grant agreements.

At the Eastern Partnership Summit in November 2017, the Prime Minister announced that the UK Government has committed £100m over five years to tackling this threat internationally.

Such funding furthers our commitment to producing important work to counter disinformation and other malign influence.

ii Integrity Initiative - Defending Democracy Against Misinformation [pdf]

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Tue Dec 25th, 2018 at 07:14:46 PM EST
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Added new comments in a diary ...

Hybrid Warfare: UK Statecraft Integrity Initiative

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Wed Dec 26th, 2018 at 10:05:46 AM EST
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I imagine that, when it all omes out, it will turn out to be some kid in his pyjamas who managed to fool some agent into forking over a load of dosh for a deniable interference programme.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 26th, 2018 at 08:29:09 PM EST
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by generic on Wed Dec 26th, 2018 at 07:01:04 PM EST
Two Differences Between a Clinton Administration and a Trump Administration...
The Trump administration sold its 2017 tax-cut reconciliation bill as a plan to boost American growth and American incomes by reducing, corporate taxes, transferring $2 trillion--equivalent to 10%-points of a year's GDP--of wealth to the upper class, thus increase incentives to save, and boost the flow of funds into private investment in one year. In the year after the tax cut was passed the program was projected to boost investment relative to baseline by 4%-points of national product and so boost the rate of potential output growth and thus of American incomes relative to baseline by 0.4%-points per year not by demand-side stimulus boosting spending and reducing unemployment but by supply-side stimulus boosting investment in America and America's capital stock. The program was supposed to make the U.S. 1% richer after 5 years; 3% richer after 10 years; 5% richer after 15 years, and so on.


by generic on Wed Dec 26th, 2018 at 07:58:17 PM EST
Posted the wrong part, sorry:

Two Differences Between a Clinton Administration and a Trump Administration...

By raising taxes and by cutting government spending relative to the then-projected baseline--half of the cuts coming from the military, half of the cuts coming from the social insurance programs--Clinton sought to redirect 1%-point of GDP's worth of funds each year for five consecutive years from funding the government debt to funding productive private investment.

Over the five years as the program was being phased in, this boost in investment was projected by the administration--i.e., by me and others--to be a supply-side economic stimulus raising the rate of growth of potential output and boosting the rate of economic growth and thus of American incomes by 0.2%-points per year. Thereafter, once it was fully phased in, the program was projected by the administration--i.e., by me and others--to boost investment relative to the baseline by 4%-points of national product and so boost the rate of potential output growth and thus of American incomes relative to bas3eline by 0.4%-points per year. The program was supposed to make the U.S. 1% richer after 5 years; 3% richer after 10 years; 5% richer after 15 years, and so on.

It worked. Investment grew. Growth accelerated. Income rose relative to the baseline.

by generic on Wed Dec 26th, 2018 at 08:34:10 PM EST
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Dictionary of the Scots language
GOOGLE, v. To deceive (Slg. 1916 T.S.D.C. II.), to hoodwink.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Dec 27th, 2018 at 06:43:39 AM EST
Real economists at Naked Capitalism
Waldfogel followed up with another paper in 2002, showing on the basis of a survey of both holiday gifts and items consumers purchase for themselves that consumers' own purchases generate between 10 and 18% more value, per dollar spent, than items received as gifts. These estimates, Waldfold argues, support economists' faith in consumer sovereignty, place some limit on the reach of the behaviouralist critique of economics, and, in addition, confirm the substantial deadweight loss of Christmas. A 2006 paper by Lerouge and Warlop compounds the argument by stating that many buying decisions require predictions of another person's product attitude but consumers are often inaccurate predictors, even for familiar others. They provide evidence that target familiarity can even hurt accuracy in the presence of attitude feedback.

Again in 1993, John L. Solow wrote an opposite take titled "Is it Really the Thought that Counts?: Toward a Rational Theory of Christmas". While acknowledging that as a social institution, the exchange of goods as gifts is difficult to reconcile with the theory of rational choice, Solow argued that when individuals' utilities depend on others' consumption of particular goods, gifts of goods can be preferable to gifts of money. Solow's is therefore an externality-based argument, according to which gift-giving can indeed be a Pareto-superior equilibrium of non-cooperative individual behaviour. Altruism - defined in economic sense in the work by Beker (1981) - does not suffice to explain Christmas gift-giving, because it implies that cash is still optimal. The explanation, Solow argues, is to be found in the concept of paternalism (or "paternalistic preferences", as in Pollak [1988]), i.e. the notion that the utility of one individual can depend on the quantities of goods consumed by other individuals.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Dec 27th, 2018 at 06:24:10 PM EST
From Michael Hudson's new book, p.49
Each region set its interest rate for ease of calculation in the local system of fractions - Mesopotamia's sexagesimal (60-based) system, the Greek decimal system or the Roman duodecimal (12-based) system. To Heichelheim this seeming decline in the official Bronze Age rate from the 20 percent (1/60th per month) in the 3rd and 2nd millennia to 10 percent on Egypt and classical Greece, to 1/12th in Rome reflected the rising security of credit [...]
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Dec 27th, 2018 at 06:29:40 PM EST
p.159-160
Babylonia's mīšarum acts have suffered from much the same belittling as those of Urukagina levied by Samuel Kramer and, in a similar vein, Stephen Lieberman complains: "The need to repeat the enactment of identical provisions shows that the mīšarum provided relief, but did not eliminate the difficulties which made it necessary." True enough, but he follows up by leaping to the value judgment that "What seems to have been needed was reform which would have eliminated all need for such adjustments, but the economic and political situation may not have allowed any such overall solution.

No economy in history has found such a solution.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Dec 27th, 2018 at 06:37:22 PM EST
Renminbi: A Century of Change

Happy Black History D362 Y3

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Dec 28th, 2018 at 02:46:10 PM EST
Current Affairs
DEAR LOBSTERS: THERE IS A BETTER WAY

On Reddit, you can find a forum for "ex-lobsters," former fans of Canadian psychology professor Jordan Peterson who have become disillusioned by him. Many of them still admire Peterson in certain ways, but have realized that he is not quite what they thought he was. The discussions are worth browsing, because they show how people can become entranced by the peddlers of bad ideas, and how they can change their minds and develop more sensible and healthy worldviews. I find them encouraging, because their testimonials reaffirm my conviction that if leftists can articulate a clear and compelling vision, one that gives people fulfillment and hope, we can create a more humane world.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Dec 30th, 2018 at 12:26:20 PM EST
So the leftists would just want these men to embrace a comfortable vision? Or would want something more from them?
by das monde on Sun Jan 6th, 2019 at 08:47:07 PM EST
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I see nothing but empathy and compassion in the article, and a desire to offer the victims ways out of their dead-end worldview.

Petersen appears to be afflicted with narcissistic perversion, preying on the weak and vulnerable.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 10:54:40 AM EST
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What if nothing but empathy and compassion is not exactly what is welcome for the guys? Life itself is rather toxic, even to vegetables.
by das monde on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 12:17:41 PM EST
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Yeah I guess empathy and compassion are not manly virtues.

They are, of course, free to choose bad advice (Petersen's) over good.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 03:56:34 PM EST
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This line of argument is a dead end. The proposition that males are incapable of expressing agape => compassion => empathy and acts of mercy => charity is patently implausible.

"Empathy" is a contemporary euphemism for the preceding emotive states. At one point documents on the internet attributed its invention to some obscure but prolific Anglo-american christian theologian (like Niebhur-Obama) whose actual name now escapes me. The damage to ideation of rationality and individuation (not CA "self-actualization") is done. Many Anglo-americans appear incapable of differentiatuing heteronomy and autonomy.

Were the proposition true, not only would (some) "women" not have obtained "equal rights" granted by the misyogynist state ("patriarchy"), human life on earth would not exist. There would be no fMRI illustrated behaviorial economic research results to peruse.

Let's move along.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 05:24:43 PM EST
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by das monde on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 06:50:13 PM EST
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That does it. I want your playlist. My daughter only sends me useless stuff, screaming gangsta rap and 12-minute Bollywood standards.

Little known fact of elder abuse.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 07:24:22 PM EST
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