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The World According to Dutch FM Halbe Zijlstra

by Oui Mon Feb 12th, 2018 at 12:44:24 PM EST

Dutch PM Mark Rutte has been on the roll with accusations of Russian disinformation about the MH-17 crash, election meddling and fake news through RT. It took awhile to form a new cabinet after last year's general election, his party nominated its chairman for the task of Foreign Minister. Someone with no experience in diplomacy and foreign affairs. Except of course his meeting with Russia's president Putin in his dacha. Well more or less ...

Dutch Parliament to Question Zijlstra's Credibility | De Volkskrant |

Dutch parliament wants clarification of Zijlstra about Putin's invented meeting. Rutte: 'He is still credible'

Both coalition and opposition parties want clarification from Minister Halbe Zijlstra of Foreign Affairs about his fabricated contacts with Russia. D66, CDA and ChristenUnie want a letter with an explanation to the House of Representatives. Several opposition parties want to quickly debate with Zijlstra, who today in de Volkskrant confesses that since 2014 he has told a fake story about a meeting with the Russian president Vladimir Putin.

    Zijlstra lied about talking to Putin: 'I pushed it away because it got the wrong charge'

    "Was it wise to protect the source in the way that I did it? No, that was unwise. But the information is correct."

    No, he has never sat in one room with Putin, as he has always claimed, Halbe Zijlstra now acknowledges. He would have heard his words from a source he wants to protect. "And the content is just true."

More below the fold ...

Opposition: Zijlstra is not credible

The PVV wants to get the minister of foreign affairs to the test before traveling to Moscow on Tuesday evening for a meeting with his counterpart Sergei Lavrov. "Debate necessary with Foreign Affairs Minister about his lie. Debate has to take place before he meets Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs," says PVV foreign spokesperson Raymond de Roon.

PVV leader Geert Wilders blames Zijlstra for spreading fake news, while the Dutch government accuses the Russians of this: "The information comes from the Dutch VVD Minister of Foreign Affairs. The pot blames the kettle that it's black," according to Wilders on Twitter.

Thierry Baudet of Forum for Democracy wants Zijlstra to resign: 'Lying as if it were printed. Unbelievable that this kind of people control our country. Baudet tweeted. `Halbe Zijlstra as a textbook example of the pleonasm `Liegende VVD-er'. Halbe, you first go to the #nep news police @KajsaOllongren and then quickly resign."

Zijlstra's lies are taken from the West's propaganda playbook as written through Radio Free Europe Radio Liberty (RFERL) ...

Zijlstra admits faking story about Putin's 'greater Russia' ambitions | Dutch News |

Foreign affairs minister Halbe Zijlstra has admitted lying about being at a meeting where Vladimir Putin supposedly set out his plans for a `Greater Russia'.

Zijlstra claimed that he had overheard the Russian president talking about his expansionist ambitions during a gathering of businesspeople at Putin's dacha in 2006. At the time Zijlstra was working for Shell. But in an interview in the Volkskrant at the weekend he admitted that he had not been at the meeting, but `borrowed' the anecdote from someone whose identity he wanted to protect.

'I made the decision that this is an important geopolitical story with serious implications,' he said. `I put myself in the story to make sure that the revelations weren't about the person who was actually there. Because that could have had implications for him or his company.'

In his original version of the story, which Zijlstra began relating at VVD party conferences in 2014, he claimed he had been a back room in the dacha when he heard Putin define 'Greater Russia' as 'Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic states,' adding that 'Kazakhstan was nice to have'.

Doubts about the veracity of the foreign minister's claims came to light when former senior Shell executive Jeroen van der Veer told the Volkskrant that Zijlstra had not been at the meeting in 2006. Zijlstra admitted he was not present but insisted that the substance of the story was true.

Putin Pledges To Protect All Ethnic Russians Anywhere. So, Where Are They? | RFERL - April 2014 |

'New Russia' And Ukraine

The Kremlin's new position has come into sharp focus in recent weeks in the Ukrainian region of Crimea -- annexed by Russia last month -- and in the southern and eastern regions of Ukraine. Russian nationalists such as the Eurasianist ideologue Aleksandr Dugin refer to this region by the historical name "Novorossiya," or "New Russia," which also encompasses several southern regions of Russia including Rostov Oblast and Stavropol and Krasnodar krais.

The area was added to the Russian Empire over the 18th and early 19th centuries by military conquests over the Crimean Khanate and the Ottoman Empire. Beginning with Catherine the Great, the fertile region was handed out to Russian nobility who enserfed the local population. Although Catherine notably invited foreigners from Europe to settle in the region, Russification of the region was official policy.

My earlier diaries - key word "Novorossiya" ...

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The Dutch for decades have been a close political ally with the AngloSaxon nations although its economy is closely tied to Germany through the Rotterdam seaway and Rhine river into the industrial heart of the Ruhr area.

Leading up to the Iraq War, PM Balkenende and FM De Hoop Scheffer bowed to the wishes of US President George Bush. The Dutch chose an awkward compromise to support the invasion “politically” but not militarily therebij joining France and Germany. A report on Dutch cooperation in Iraq was quite clear: this decision was against International Law …

Dutch Investigation: Iraq Mission Ruled Illegal

I suppose the Dutch military wanted to make amends after their role in the Serbian conflict and the massacre of Srebrenica.

The Dutch government led by PM Rutte has spoken with Washington’s voice on the Ukraine and has pushed aside the result of a people’s legitimate referendum on Ukraine. The new cabinet of Rutte will abolish the people’s referendum.

The Dutch Have Gone Mad [More Mad] – July 25, 2014
Dutch PM Rutte Abruptly Calls-off MH-17 Recovery Mission – Aug. 6, 2014

linear 7 m, then ;)

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Feb 12th, 2018 at 08:58:21 PM EST
Dutch FM admits lying about Putin describing land-grab ambitions in 2006 | RT |

Dutch Foreign Minister Halbe Zijlstra has admitted that he lied when he claimed to have heard President Vladimir Putin describing an ambition to unify Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states and Kazakhstan as a single country.

Zijlstra claimed at a party conference in 2016 that he had overheard Putin outlining the grand plan for a "Greater Russia" in 2006 during a gathering of businessmen. He was working for the oil company, Shell, at the time.

In the original retelling of the story, Zijlstra said he had been in a back room of a dacha (country house) when he heard Putin define "Great Russia" as "Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic states," adding that "Kazakhstan was nice to have."

The story was questioned by the newspaper Volkskrant, however, which discovered from Zijlstra's colleagues that he had not been at the 2006 business meeting in Russia, despite being part of the Shell delegation. When confronted about this, the minister acknowledged lying and claimed he was simply trying to protect a source.

    "I made the decision that this is an important geopolitical story with serious implications," he said. "I put myself in the story to make sure that the revelations weren't about the person who was actually there. Because that could have had implications for him or his company."

Zijlstra insisted the hearsay of which he spoke was true, but would not name the person from whom he heard it. The newspaper itself says the source was Jeroen van der Veer, who was Shell CEO at the time, citing two informed sources.

"Greater Russia" is an amorphous term usually used to describe the historic core of the Russian state, roughly corresponding to the territory of medieval Russia in the 16th century - the beginning of the reign of Ivan the Terrible, who was the first of Russia's great expansionist rulers. The word "greater" is meant as a description of spiritual significance rather than physical size. The same term was applied to the core territories of some other countries, like Greater Armenia, Greater Walachia or Greater Poland.

Shell Welcomes Putin's Sakhalin Offer| Moscow Times - June 2009 |

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Mon Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:01:15 PM EST
Like, say, British Empire?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:34:19 PM EST
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Can we place bets yet whether or not Zijlstra will step down tomorrow? It's not exactly getting any better for him: Nu ook twijfel over interpretatie Poetin-verhaal Zijlstra
by Bjinse on Mon Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:44:23 PM EST
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Saakashvili ...

Breaking News: Saakashvili arrested in Kyiv, deported to Poland

History ...

President of Georgia - Rose Revolution for "Democracy"

Poodle of John McCain and his crony Scheunemann

No, the Russians didn't start the war in Georgia in 2008 ...

Georgian Attack Killed 1,600 S Ossetians

Alliance with Israel and its mercenaries

Citizenship of Ukraine in one-day and Governor of Odessa

Fighting corruption alongside Yulia Marushevska, the Angel of the Maidan

Quits as governor - loses Ukrainian citizenship

Seeks enty to the Netherlands based on "family reunion"

Soon ....

Role of Georgian mercenaries in the Maidan sniper attack - 20th Feb. 2014

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Feb 13th, 2018 at 09:53:52 AM EST
Dutch foreign minister under pressure over Putin lie, papers say he must go | Dutch News |

Editorials The Financieele Dagblad heads its editorial 'The end of Zijlstra'. 'If Zijlstra is allowed to remain the credibility of this cabinet will be compromised. Not only would it invalidate any criticism of Russia, it would also damage the campaign against fake news. For the future of the coalition and the prestige of politics it would be better if Zijlstra left.'

The Volkskrant says Zijlstra 'twisted Putin's words, first to make himself look important, then to save his skin'. According to the paper, Zijlstra's 'fake story made him vulnerable to blackmail by the Russians who knew what really happened', the paper writes.

The Volkskrant is also critical of Zijlstra's fellow politicians. Now that he has confessed 'the coalition wagon trail has formed a circle' so as not to endanger the fledgling coalition.'

The Volkskrant says the cabinet and prime minister Rutte are 'oblivious of the impact of this lying and prevaricating'. Rutte himself is now vulnerable because he accused the Russians of lying several times in the MH17-file which he has repeatedly says is a priority. Loyalty to political friends is a virtue but the interests of the country come first,' the Volkskrant concludes.

An earlier incident with a Dutch member of parliament and the circumstances of the MH-17 crash of July 2014 ...

MH17 investigation 'could be hurt' by Omtzigt's fake witness

Russian fake news a threat to Netherlands: Interior Minister | NL Times - Nov. 14, 2017 |

Fake news is a deep concern for the new Netherlands cabinet, and its suppression is a priority in the Dutch cabinet, a new letter sent to parliamentarians shows. Russia deserves much of the blame for a disinformation campaign in the Netherlands, Interior Minister Kajsa Ollongrenhas clearly states in a brief to the Tweede Kamer, the lower house of Dutch parliament.

"Netherlands finds itself in the sights of Russian intelligence, among others," writes the new cabinet minister. Ollongrenhas is since a few weeks in office after serving as an alderman and interim-mayor in Amsterdam. She does not exclude other countries as being responsible for spreading fake news and propaganda. "Of this country we know it, but we don't have to think that it is only Russia".

The minister will deal with the spread of fake news directly with companies such as Facebook, Google and Twitter, she says. It is also demonstrates part of the need for the 95 million euros budgeted to bolster cybersecurity and cyberdefense in the Netherlands, including money for counter-terrorism, military intelligence, and the Ministries of Defense, Economic Affiars, Foreign Affairs, and Infrastructure, Public Works & Water Management, the cabinet says in a press release.

And I could go on and on .... also the EU contracted fake news investigators of Brussels provide ... FAKE NEWS!

EU misinformation team accuses Dutch media of fake news - Jan. 23, 2018

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:20:27 PM EST
< wipes tears >

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:31:11 PM EST
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[No English version yet on the Russian website, so part translated through Google ...]

Комментарий Департамента информации и печати МИД России в связи с рабочим визитом в Российскую Федерацию Министра иностранных дел Нидерландов Х.3ейлстры  

Russian MFA Information and Press Department Commentary Regarding the Working Visit to the Russian Federation of the Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Netherlands Halbe Zijlstra.

On February 14, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, H. Zailstra, will pay a working visit to the Russian Federation. This is his first visit to Russia since his appointment as Foreign Minister in October 2017. The Netherlands is one of the few EU countries that has pursued a policy of limiting bilateral contacts with Russia through government members, with the exception of meetings of foreign ministers.

Russian-Dutch relations are overshadowed by the unprecedented anti-Russian campaign unleashed in the Dutch media, the bias of the Netherlands-led investigation into the wreck of the Malaysian Boeing in 2014 in eastern Ukraine, the decision of the Tribunal in the case of Arctic Sunrise, the unjust verdict of the Amsterdam court on the transfer of the exhibits "Crimea - a golden island in the Black Sea" to Ukraine, and not to Crimean museums.

At the same time, the importance of preserving channels for dialogue through the heads of foreign affairs agencies is beyond doubt. During the upcoming talks between Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov and Dutch Minister of Foreign Affairs H. Zijlstra, it is planned to discuss the state of affairs in bilateral Russian-Dutch relations, which have been difficult to develop in recent years.

In 2018 the Netherlands took the place of a non-permanent member of the UN Security Council. The issues related to the agenda of this important international body are of interest to both countries for possible interaction.

Over the years, the Netherlands has been an important economic partner of Russia. Nevertheless, due to the sanctions confrontation, the volume of trade fell significantly, and the Netherlands moved from the second to the third place among the main trade and economic partners of Russia ($ 32.2 billion). In recent decades, significant direct Dutch investments in the Russian Federation (42.5 billion US dollars) have been accumulated.

Despite the official line of The Hague, Dutch business is interested in developing cooperation with our country. In 2017, the 125th anniversary of the beginning of the Russian oil and gas company Shell, which today is the largest foreign investor in our economy, is participating in the Nord Stream-2, Baltic LNG and Sakhalin-2 projects.

In 2017, the Dutch-British concern Unilever, whose products are in great demand in our country, celebrated the 25th anniversary of its work in Russia. Unilever products are produced on the territory of Russia on the basis of 4 large production clusters: food products and ice cream in the Tula region, tea, cosmetic products and household chemicals in St. Petersburg, cosmetics in Yekaterinburg and ice cream in Omsk.

Concern "Philips" is involved in the modernization of Russian enterprises for the production of medical equipment.

Cultural and humanitarian ties are developing. In January 2018, in the territory of the Herede municipalities and the Oulst Veye Kingdom of the Netherlands, a ceremony was held to present a monument to Russian soldiers who liberated Holland from Napoleonic troops in 1813.

The museum "Hermitage Amsterdam", which is a branch of the State Hermitage Museum, continues its work. Currently, there is an exhibition "Dutch masters. Treasures of the Kings "(63 works from Russia).

Dutch concern Gasunie in close joint venture with Gazprom division for North Sea gas fields development and transport ...

Close Trading Ties Between Russia and Netherlands

Russian export to The Netherlands is due to gas transport from the east and re-distributed. The Dutch had one of the largest gas fields of Slochteren and has the pipeline infrastructure in place for Europe.

Gazprom and Gasunie ink MOU - 2006

April 2014 - Amsterdam hosted the annual meetings of the Coordinating Committee for Strategic Cooperation and the Coordination Committee for Sci-Tech Collaboration between Gazprom and Gasunie, chaired by Dmitry Lyugai, Member of the Management Committee, Head of the Prospective Development Department of Gazprom and Hans Coenen, Vice President for Corporate Strategy & Portfolio Management, Managing Director of Gasunie Deutschland. [Source: Gazprom]

'Sapere aude'
by Oui (Oui) on Tue Feb 13th, 2018 at 01:28:35 PM EST
Zijlstra resigned, the visit to Moscow for a meeting with FM Sergei Lavrov has been cancelled.  

< no tears >

Dutch foreign minister resigns after lying about Putin meeting | DW |

The announcement came before he was due to be grilled in parliament.

Foreign Affairs Minister Halbe Zijlstra announced his resignation Tuesday, saying the hit to his credibility made staying in the role untenable.

"I see no other option today than to hand in my resignation to his majesty the King," a tearful Zijkstra told MPs in parliament. "The Netherlands deserves a minister who is above any doubt."

"This is by far the biggest mistake I have made in my career."

The foreign minister had faced growing calls from the opposition to step down after conceding Monday that he fibbed about being a guest at a gathering hosted by Russian President Vladimir Putin over a decade ago.

'Sapere aude'
by Oui (Oui) on Tue Feb 13th, 2018 at 05:20:32 PM EST
When the news came that he had misinterpreted and sexed up the account of what he had heard what was said, Zijlsta was done for. Simply untenable, and simply inconceivable this man was offered the position in the first place. But well. This is the VVD-party.
by Bjinse on Tue Feb 13th, 2018 at 09:46:28 PM EST
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Trump tells more lies every day before Breakfast and Zijlsta has to go after one teeny porky???? Who do these Dutch think they are?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Feb 14th, 2018 at 05:16:19 PM EST
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No poliiical party structures to force resignations in the US, only impeachment, and since Trump's party controls both houses of Congress, ain't gonna happen.
by rifek on Fri Feb 16th, 2018 at 07:53:00 PM EST
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Can't have lied. There are photos:
by generic on Tue Feb 13th, 2018 at 05:32:57 PM EST
The Netherlands is spreading anti-Russian sentiment, The Hague embassy says

The Russian embassy in The Hague has condemned the way perceptions of Russia are being twisted in Dutch public opinion, in its first comment on foreign minister Halbe Zijlstra's admission that he lied about a meeting with president Vladimir Putin. Zijlstra has been under fire since admitting on Monday that he lied about overhearing Putin define 'Greater Russia' as 'Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic states,' then adding that 'Kazakhstan was nice to have'.

In a two page English statement, the embassy says it considers Zijlstra's comments as a domestic matter. It then goes on to say 'we cannot ignore how perceptions of Russia's aggressive intentions are being persistently propagated in Dutch public opinion.' `The attempts to attribute to Russia "great-power ambitions" and the desire to recreate "the Soviet Empire" do not hold up against any criticism,' the statement said.

'Sapere aude'
by Oui (Oui) on Tue Feb 13th, 2018 at 05:40:00 PM EST
I encountered one mention of the plane crash @ de last weekend and a few stories, of course, @ TASS. I note with great interest, foreign states volunteering expertise in investigation of the wreckage as well as ongoing commercial "ties" to hydropetro marketing and air&space R&D.

This is a press organization I had not before patronized. I found it when searching for Saaka' fiasco deportation stories the other night.

I lingered a while out of curiosity ... very "LOW ENERGY", low tech reportage compared to typical, English-language organs of official news.

Q4 inflation rate was surprising, at par with EU.

a propos tech PENETRATION: There is a story purporting consumer innerboob adoption and uses, too, "freedom" if you will although the report infers nothing of the sort from survey results.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Feb 13th, 2018 at 11:45:29 PM EST
Prime minister survives no confidence vote, says lie is not a deadly sin
"Rutte survived the no-confidence vote by 43 votes to 101. The Socialists, PVV, Denk, pro-animal PvdD, Fvd and 50Plus all backed the motion."

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Feb 15th, 2018 at 01:41:21 AM EST

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