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Trump Meets Putin [Updated]

by Oui Mon Jul 16th, 2018 at 02:41:49 PM EST

Pundits have gone into a frenzy for days, weeks ...

Democrats called for the summit to be canceled ...

Putin should first send the 12 GRU hackers to stand trial in the US based on a Grand Jury decision ...

Putin stole the election to benefit Trump ...

More to follow as press conference is about to start ...

Front paged by Frank Schnittger with minor edit


[Update-1]

Press conference just ended, my first impression:

After the great show in Russia of hosting the FIFA World Cup, Putin is on a roll … great impromptu show by Presidents Trump and Putin. A coherent news conference where the reference points of a new dialogue between the two greatest nuclear powers: 90% of the explosive force between them.

Emphasis on the security of Israel when the conflict in Syria was discussed quite extensively. A lot of agreement on how to go forward and the military are already cooperating. Not a single time Saudi Arabia, Gulf States or Qatar was mentioned!!

AP question at the end typified what has obsessed Democrats and a large part of the media since Nov. 8, 2016 ..

Alleged collusion between Trump and Putin to interfere in the election campaign and the Robert Mueller investigation will be no more than a footnote in history.

The Cold War is over, there will be full cooperation between the United States and the Russian Federation to solve major problems facing the world and its existence.

[Update-2]

US-Russia ties have ‘never been worse’ thanks to US ‘foolishness and stupidity’ – Trump | RT |
Putin: Trump emphasized Israel’s security during Helsinki summit meeting | Times of Israel |
Trump and Putin’s landmark meeting | BBC News |

[Update-3]

I’m not someone who is part of a sour Hillary Clinton and her “Resistance” movement. It was a close election and the Electoral College (EC) votes went to Donald Trump. I’m not part of the coalition to put blame for her defeat on Russia: Putin Did It!

In the last half century the results of an presidential election could have ended in turmoil. The person on the wrong side of the EC tally stayed calm in an effort not to cause further division. Richard Nixon when the Chicago mob handed Illinois to Daddy Kennedy and Jack won the presidency. In 1968 when Henry Kissinger intervened in the Paris peace talks for a delay to suit the North Vietnamese. Tricky Dick Nixon got a reprieve. In 1980 when the Republican Gard (GOP) talked to the Ayatollahs of the Islamic Revolution to keep the U.S. hostages holed up in Tehran until Reagan was inaugurated. In 2000 when the Supreme Court intervened and joined forces with Jeb Bush, governor of Florida, to hand the presidency to his older brother George.

The Democrats and many pundits are in full denial and have been led by massive misinformation from the media and so-called think-tanks to chase after the wrong fox. The rightful perpetrator(s) who swung the election into Trump’s favour have already been rewarded by a loyal president Trump.

I will leave to debate about alleged Trump collusion with Putin during the campaign to where it’s should be played out: in the U.S. Courts, special prosecutor Robert Mueller and the U.S. Senate for possible impeachment procedure against President Trump.

In real LIVE and the moment captured during the Press Conference, I will look at the realistic opportunities for two great nations to set aside past grievances and start to act as adults in a troubled world. As I followed the news conference live on CNBC, hoping the translation would be quick and accurate, I opinion that both Trump and Putin want to restart a dialogue. They came forward point by point where there is a need for cooperation. Both sides made in abundantly clear that each leader will work from self-interest and not put their nation in jeopardy.

The pundits in the U.S., members of U.S. Congress and the American media are having a field day. Their harts have stopped beating and most have forgotten to listen to the news conference and came into the session with their minds made up. Some have clearly not engaged their brains before putting forward a question. The AP reporter beats them all for a blunt, but so stupid question. A waste of time.

More on the specifics of the points where the discussion will continue, later …

[Update-4]

Putin, Trump say Israel's northern border will be secured | YnetNews Israel |

Putin said Trump had spent a lot of time talking about Israel during their talks. The conditions were in place for effective cooperation on Syria, Putin added. Washington and Moscow back different sides in the eight-year-old civil war.

Netanyahu's office issued a statement shortly after the press conference.

"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu commends the abiding commitment of the US and President Donald Trump to the security of Israel, as expressed at the meeting between President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin. The friendship between Israel and the US has never been stronger," the Prime Minister's Office said.

During the Helsinki press conference, Trump also said he and Putin wanted to help the Syrian people on a humanitarian basis.

"Our (US and Russian) militaries have gotten along better than our political leaders for a number of years. And we get along in Syria too," Trump said.

Trump also said he had stressed the importance of putting pressure on Iran, an ally of Russia, while Putin said he was aware of US opposition to the international nuclear agreement on Iran, which Russian supports.

Israel has long made clear its position that any outcome to the civil war still raging in Syrian war would have to include the absence of Iranian forces and its terror proxies such as Hezbollah from the border, which it fears could serve as a launchpad from which to wage a military campaign.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has made repeated visits to Russia in an effort to persuade Putin use its influence in Syria to remove all Iranian forces from near the Golan Heights, the latest of which took place last week in a trip to Moscow during the World Cup.

In other matters during the post-meeting press conference, Trump did not criticize Russia on any of the issues that have brought relations between the Washington and Moscow to a post-Cold War low.

Chabad, Vekselberg, Putin and the Schneerson Library

[Update-5]

When Obama’s former CIA Intelligence Chief reacts this way, it’s a GOOD sign. I trust Trump will take it as a motivation to move forward and not get stuck in the past of failed policy and diplomacy.

Samantha Power, the Monster, and the Libyan Intervention by Frank Schnittger on Sep 8th, 2011
Brennan: A Lone Man's 'Righteous' Campaign by Oui on Mar 20th, 2018

[Update-6]

Trump will use the excuse: ”It happened on Obama’s watch.” #Crimea #NordStream2 #Syria

Posted the following just a few days ago, a stark reminder …

As soon as US president of “Hope” Barack Obama took over power in the White House, he declared all is forgiven and forgotten …

Obama Reluctant to Look Into Bush Programs | The New York Times – Jan. 11, 2009 |

President Obama, in a statement issued months after entering the White House:

    "We’ve been through a dark and painful chapter
    of our history. Nothing will be gained in spending
    our time and energy laying blame for the past."
Obama kept his promise to keep America “United”… enter Donald Trump in 2016.

[Update-7]

Pundits and media missing the essence of the Trump – Putin meeting in Helsinki … one of the agreements about ending the conflict in Syria, the renewal of the START treaty and favouritism to the State of Israel.

US Congress just put president Trump under censure by a 98-0 vote … speaking of an out of control state! The unbalance of the three powers for checks and balances how it was put into the Constitution. The Separation of Power:

    The system of checks and balances in government was developed to ensure that no one branch of government would become too powerful. The framers of the U.S. Constitution built a system that divides power between the three branches of the U.S. government—legislative, executive and judicial—and includes various limits and controls on the powers of each branch.
Like I wrote recently, a trench warfare throwing bombs at one another. Complete stalemate, no advance in solving problems, a train wreck waiting to happen. So much that needs to be done on the planet! Capitalism and greed getting the upper hand.

To the benefit of Israel, any and all legislation pertaining to the Israel-Palestine conflict is settled by U.S. Congress in such an authoritarian vote of 98-2 to favour the Jewish citizens of Israel. The bully in Jerusalem knows exactly how the handle in such a matter … Obama and Democrats sidelined, the latter happily working on their own political defeat.

The winner of the Trump-Putin summit is Israel | Ynet News – Editorial |

Op-ed: At their meeting in Helsinki this week, Trump and Putin presented a united front. Both agreed to uphold the 1974 Separation of Forces Agreement between Israel and Syria. These leaders support of Israel is so astonishing that it calls to mind President Regan's historical support of the Israeli air strike in Iraq.

There is no doubt that the performance of the presidents of the United States and Russia on the same stage in Helsinki, during which they spoke in one voice about Israel, is precedent-setting.

Yes, Israel still needs to defend itself. And the two promised to do so on Israel's northern border.

Please note: Not only did they refrain from demanding Israel to give back the Golan Heights to those who held it until 1967, but they promised to help keep the Golan in our hands against Syria, and help handle its accompanying problems.

This is a historical paradox. In 1947, in pre-state times, Jewish leaders placed their trust in the United States, but Secretary of State George Marshall and Defense Secretary James Forstel opposed the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine . [See my writing above – Oui]


On the other side, the Soviet Union, which had no sympathy for the Zionist idea, surprised the West with its UN announcement that it would support the establishment of a Jewish state. Looking back, one can even say that the Soviet Union had a fair share in the establishment of the State of Israel.

Not only that, but when the United States vetoed arms shipments to the Middle East, the Soviet aid in ammunition was greater than expected: a full military airport in Czechoslovakia was available for Israel's use.

Later on, since Israel had serious arguments with US presidents over the Dimona project, gaining American support became an uphill battle. During John F. Kennedy's tenure, the battle reached its peak when Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion's resignation was viewed as a delaying tactic against American coercion.

What to Expect From The Helsinki Summit (Op-ed) | The Moscow Times |

Moscow is not necessarily focused on tangible deliverables from the summit. Rather, it would like to create a narrative that would allow Trump to tout the meeting as a triumph for U.S. interests, a triumph that justifies his taking further steps to repair the relationship, even though the U.S. would get little in return.

The Kremlin does not really expect sanctions relief. It knows that Trump's hands are tied by Congress. Plus, it has adjusted to the current level of sanctions. What it wants to prevent is an escalation of U.S. pressure, or a repeat of what happened in April, when U.S. Treasury sanctions started to dictate the ownership structure of major Russian companies. This undermines Putin's claim of Russia's full sovereignty. Moscow's main aim, which was derived after carefully observing Trump's summit with Kim Jong Un in Singapore, is to create momentum that would make it politically painful and personally humiliating for Trump to revert to confrontation.

Putin has maneuvered Israel's interest and US influence in Syria to the sidelines. A true feat of diplomacy combined with military prowess. The Lavrov effect.

Russian Involvement in Syria: What has Changed, and the Significance for Israel | NSS Insight No. 752, October 7, 2015|

Russia's involvement in the Syrian crisis constitutes a new strategic paradigm in the Middle East and the international arena. This will have significant implications for the balance of power and the rivalries in Syria's civil war, and for the struggle between the superpowers for global influence. Israel is also affected by these implications, given the change in the balance of power and given the risk of internal Syrian pressures spilling over into southern Syria and the Golan Heights.

Prime Minister Netanyahu's recent hurried visit to Moscow precluded the possibility of an in-depth situation assessment that examines the broad ramifications of Russian involvement in Syria. This assessment is supposed to test whether there has been a change in the rules of the game in the deep crisis that seemingly has no way out. The Prime Minister must now strive for Russian recognition of Israel's interests, among them the need to prevent the establishment of Salafi jihadi terrorist elements in the Golan Heights border region.

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STATEMENT BY SASC CHAIRMAN JOHN McCAIN ON THE NATO SUMMIT & PUTIN MEETING
Note the date

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Jul 16th, 2018 at 06:29:52 PM EST
Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran ...

McCain a poster child of the jihadist rebels inside Northern Syria just across the border with Turkey:

U.S. Intelligence: Lying Liars and Warmongers

John McCain played a major role in NATO expansion and the recent wars for regime change:  2003 the overthrow of Saddam Hussein - 2008 Orange Revolution Ukraine - Georgian War (Aug. 2008) - Libya and Syria in 2011 ... but he is against torture of prisoners! Why the hell is he still a member of the Republican Party? McCain is a shill for the military establishment peddling goods across the globe.

Israel Has A New Poster Boy: Lindsey Graham

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Mon Jul 16th, 2018 at 07:19:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
A better relationship between the US and Russia would be great. An end to "Cold War 2.0" posturing would be great.

However, if the cost of this is unilaterally surrendering a variety of previously established foreign policy positions without forethought or regard for consequence .. well ...

If Trump was somehow making a comprehensive effort to bring his own government and American allies along with a pro-Russian shift in policy, it would be one thing. But if he's just going to make policy all on his own, and not bother with prep or follow up in his own government, than it's just not going to stick. Given that he does not even seem to be making an attempt at serious negotiation over these issues intended to reach a lasting geopolitical resolution to the various outstanding issues, maybe that's for the best.

A lot of American foreign policy stances are belligerant and counter-productive ... but unilaterally abandoning them without any serious preparation may not be the best course of action.

by Zwackus on Tue Jul 17th, 2018 at 02:26:48 AM EST
There is no healthy dialogue possible inside the United States, 17 years after 9/11. A lot has changed for the worse in willingness to listen to a differing opinion: Red States  vs Blue States - partisanship in U.S. Congress - unwillingness to name an 9th judge for SCOTUS under Obama - the Iranian nuclear deal JCPOA - the Iraq War and its aftermath - the Afghan War putting the AfPak region in turmoil - the Libyan affair of regime change under Russia's president Medvedev, he was suckered by the US.

The man in the Oval Office has tremendous opposition from the generals in the Pentagon, the Intelligence community - old warriors in the State Department, the neocon hawks roaming around in White House staff and support organizations like USIP. Barack Obama clearly couldn't manage with a lot of compromised appointments starting with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. There are too many to be named but some stand out and I have criticised the policy from these policy makers: John Brennan - Amb. Robert Ford to Syria (failed and rejected by Egypt) - Vicky Nuland (leftover from Dick Cheney - oh my god) - Dennis  Ross for Middle East policy - William Burns and Nicholas Burns.

John Kerry was an excellent Secretary of State under Obama, however his hands were tied by the generals of the Pentagon, Netanyahu of Israel, Intelligence Community and a NATO Commander Breedlove. When Kerry met Lavrov in a diplomatic effort on the Ukraine or on Syria, he was contradicted and blocked by these established war hawks.

Negotiating the Whirlwind

With North Korea especially and in a better prepared meeting this time with Putin, president Trump turns the process around: he takes the initiative and tells his subordinates what needs to be done. I have listened to the press statements from Putin and Trump. There is a lot of beef presented that needs months to be implemented. A new vision for a US-Russia relationship is taking shape.

What has the media been twitting about and writing their articles? About the frustrations of the press and the readers, their coverage is about the Q&A section afterwards. Pitiful really. It was a setting I would not have been surprised if a shoe was thrown! There was no courage except for Sam Husseini with a small sign.

The Russian Reset That Never Was

I have written about the division in America and Western Europe after 9/11 many times. It truly has been a culture shock and there is no quick recovery possible. The division runs deep into society, with friends and the family on views about the influx of foreigners and immigration. Politics based on FEAR! Racism raises its ugly head.

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Tue Jul 17th, 2018 at 06:19:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Thx Frank - much appreciated!

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Tue Jul 17th, 2018 at 06:21:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The "Recommendations" process seems to have stopped working so I think a promotion to FP is warranted.

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jul 17th, 2018 at 08:42:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It is both reasonable and possible to accept that the USA and UK have both been aggressive towards Russia since 1990. The epitome of this aggressiveness may well be the so called "Orange Revolution" in Ukraine. Given the historic relationship between Russia and Ukraine dating back to the 17th Century and the fact that the best invasion routes into Russia are via Ukraine, one can see some reason for Russia to reject the "Orange Revolution" as a fait acomplis. That rejection took the form of Russia annexing Crimea and supporting Russian partisans in the Donbas.

But this does not mean Russia is our friend or that Trump's behavior towards Putin is appropriate. Both the actions of Russia and Trump should be guided by the maxim that each nation has its own enduring interests. Trump's behavior largely stems from his own psychological weaknesses - to wit, a roaring case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder combined with an ongoing, degenerative neurological condition. Resetting relations between Russia and the USA has to be done without seeming to have our President mentally captured by Putin.  

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 17th, 2018 at 06:23:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No.

Two heads of state meeting in private and conducting a joint press conference to publicize the agenda of their meeting is not inappropriate, whether the states are at war or at peace. Why?

A permanent condition of conflict between rational people is not a socially acceptable objective of any government that purports to concern itself with the welfare of its constituents.

Think about that the next time anyone criticize the "performance" --this is the term propagated by the homicidal maniacs who infest the US government-- of elected representatives whose task it is to assure peaceful co-existence on this dying planet.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Jul 17th, 2018 at 08:25:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Concern for the 2014 coup in Ukraine is a weak ruse. These are the headlines this week.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Jul 17th, 2018 at 08:45:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Forget Lessons of Iraq - Man Ejected from Helsinki Presser

The writer, Sam Husseini, who is also the communications director of the Institute for Public Accuracy, a Washington, DC-based non-profit organization that urges mainstream media outlets to interview progressive scholars and policy analysts, was dragged from the briefing just minutes before the two leaders were to take questions from the press.

Sputnik spoke to Husseini before he was ejected. The writer was in Helsinki covering Trump and Putin protests and talking to various peace activists.

    "I was at the protest called 'Helsinki Calling' yesterday, and it was what you might generously call, a big tent, lots of contradictory messages. Some some seemed authentically pro-peace of some variety."



Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Tue Jul 17th, 2018 at 05:13:38 AM EST
Yep ... just as when the Iraq War wasn't a smooth ride as the Pentagon (Rumsfeld) predicted, the old guard of generals and former CIA heads come to the rescue for a narrative the "deep state" wants throw out via the media. Above I covered John Brennan, I'm sure we'll hear from James Clapper and of course the hard-nosed generals will explain what's really needed to put Russia and Putin to rest. Trump will be described in all terms of being unfit for office to being an outright traitor to his country. Never mind his campaign promise: America First!

Funny: the retired US general is now living in Frankfurt, Germany ...

U.S.General Ben Hodges: Trump's actions towards Putin inexplicable | DW |

After military experience in Korea, Iraq, and Afghanistan, Lieutenant General Frederick "Ben" Hodges served his last military assignment as commander of the United States Army in Europe, before his retirement in December 2017. Now living in Frankfurt, Germany, he is Pershing Chair of Strategic Studies at the Washington-based Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA).

DW:  What did you make of President Vladimir Putin's meeting with his US counterpart Donald Trump in Helsinki? Do you share what seems to be the common view: that it was a diplomatic disaster that undermines multilateral alliances like NATO?

Hodges:  I'm reluctant to say anything is a disaster so immediately after it happened. It's just going to take a little bit of time for things to filter out. Certainly all the reports I've seen would indicate that nobody was happy with it except the Russians. I think, on the plus side, at least there have been no announcements of something like: you can do what you want with Ukraine or Georgia. There's no indication that this was like in the 18th century, when great powers traded away space to each other. I think there's a little bit of a sigh of relief that way.

I think it's going to be a huge problem for Trump in the US, because so many Republicans have also come out with very strong criticism, that he didn't put a stake in the heart of this whole business about Russian meddling in the US election. He wouldn't condemn it, he didn't hold Putin accountable, I mean, it's inexplicable.  

Lieutenant General (R) Ben Hodges on U.S. Troops in Europe, German Defense, and NATO's Role in the Black Sea [Audio]

CNAS Jim Townsend in interview with Ben Hodges.

NATO can and must do a lot more to deter Russia without dividing allies | Politico Opinion - Ben Hodges |

My earlier diary about CNAS and its policy ...

War On The Rocks - McCain Surrogate/ PNAC/AIPAC
US Policy of Military 'Re-alignment' and Obama's Military Think-tank
Empire Wash-out: Iraq War a Catastrophe in the Making

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Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Tue Jul 17th, 2018 at 06:47:09 PM EST
I can understand why the general has "retired" ...

Visited with our Syria Security Force?? Wrong theatre of war ... yeah, all the US and allied NATO missions are getting pretty tiresome ...  endless war!

The 101st Airborne Division is back in Afghanistan | Military Times |

The 101st Airborne Division unfurled its colors at Bagram Airfield marking the start of the unit's fourth Afghanistan deployment in the last decade.

During past deployments to the country, the 101st was focused on the eastern provinces. Now, though, the division will oversee NATO's Resolute Support mission to train, advise and assist Afghan government operations across the nation, according to an Army press release.

The division's commander, Maj. Gen. Andrew Poppas, and senior enlisted leader, Command Sgt. Maj. Todd Sims, spoke at the ceremony, as they took the reins from their counterparts in the 3rd Infantry Division.

Facebook Gen. John Nicholson:

... our Kabul Security Force to include our new team from the Welsh Guards.

Related to the AfPak region after 17 years fighting "terror"...

Pakistan: 128 perish as savage attack on Mastung election rally stuns nation | Dawn - July 14, 2018 |

    Around 132 people were killed and 180 injured in two separate terrorist attacks during election-related activities in Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa on Friday. Nawabzada Siraj Raisani, Balochistan Awami Party (BAP) candidate for a Provincial Assembly seat, was among 128 people killed in a shocking suicide attack on an election gathering in the Mastung area, some 60km south-west of Quetta. As many as 150 people were injured in the tragic incident.

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Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Tue Jul 17th, 2018 at 06:49:08 PM EST

Caught Lying: James Clapper's testimony one year later | PoliticoFact - March 2014 |
U.S. Intelligence: Lying Liars and Warmongers

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Tue Jul 17th, 2018 at 06:55:09 PM EST
PM Mark Rutte appointed Halbe Zijlstra as Foreign Minister of misinformation? A VVD party favorite!

The World According to Dutch FM Halbe Zijlstra

Dutch PM Mark Rutte has been on the roll with accusations of Russian disinformation about the MH-17 crash, election meddling and fake news through RT. It took awhile to form a new cabinet after last year's general election, his party nominated its chairman for the task of Foreign Minister. Someone with no experience in diplomacy and foreign affairs. Except of course his meeting with Russia's president Putin in his dacha. Well more or less ...  

Dutch Foreign Minister Quits After Lying About Putin Meeting

Although Rutte's best VVD party friend, Halbe Zijlstra faced the exit. No problem though, there is a worthy job waiting at the World Bank I Washington DC ...

`Halbe Zijlstra tipped by Rutte as next Dutch World Bank representative'

PM Mark Rutte getting in a rut for his proposal during the formation of a new cabinet coalition, to favour the large internationals (Shell, Unilever, ING Group, DSM Chemie) by abolishing dividend tax for stock holders.

Abolishing dividend tax: nice for Shell, unnecessary for the Netherlands - cost €1.4bn a year
Officials express doubts on dividend tax abolition in secret memos | NL Times - April 25, 2018 |

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Tue Jul 17th, 2018 at 07:27:27 PM EST
News conference following talks between the presidents of Russia and the United States

President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Mr President, ladies and gentlemen,

The talks with President of the United States Donald Trump were held in a candid and business-like atmosphere. I think they were quite successful and beneficial.

We reviewed the current state and prospects of Russia-US relations and key international issues. It is obvious to everyone that our bilateral relations are undergoing a complicated period but there is no objective reason for these difficulties and the current tense atmosphere.

The Cold War ended long ago, the era of acute ideological confrontation belongs to the distant past, and the situation in the world has fundamentally changed.

Today both Russia and the United States are facing completely different challenges - the mechanisms of international security and stability are dangerously out of balance, there are regional crises, the spread of the threat of terrorism and cross border crime, crime in general, growing world economic problems, environmental and other risks. It is possible to cope with all this only by working together. I hope we will come to this same understanding with our American partners.

Today's talks reflected the shared desire of President Trump and myself to correct the negative situation in bilateral relations and map out initial steps to improve them, restore an acceptable level of trust and return to the former level of cooperation on all issues of mutual interest.

As a major nuclear power, we have special responsibility when it comes to international security. I consider it important, as we discussed, to get the dialogue on strategic stability and the non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction on track. We made a note with a number of concrete proposals on this matter available to our American colleagues.

We believe that continued joint efforts to fully work through the military-political and disarmament dossier is necessary. That includes the renewal of the Strategic Offensive Reductions Treaty, the dangerous situation surrounding the development of elements of the US global missile defence system, the implementation of the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles, and the topic of deploying weapons in space.

We are in favour of continued cooperation in the sphere of combating terrorism and ensuring cybersecurity. Notably, our special services are working together quite successfully. The most recent example of that is the close operational interaction with a group of US security experts as part of the World Cup in Russia that ended yesterday. Contacts between the special services should be made systematic. I reminded the President of the United States about the proposal to reconstitute the anti-terror working group.

We covered regional crises extensively. Our positions do not coincide on all matters, but nonetheless there are many overlapping interests. We should be looking for common ground and working more closely, including at international forums.

Of course, we talked about regional crises, including Syria. With regard to Syria, restoring peace and harmony in that country could serve as an example of successful joint work.

Of course, Russia and the United States can take the lead in this matter and organise cooperation to overcome the humanitarian crisis and help refugees return to their hearths.

We have all the requisite elements for effective cooperation on Syria. Notably, Russian and American military have gained useful experience of interaction and coordination in the air and on land.

[Read on ...]



Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Tue Jul 17th, 2018 at 09:08:29 PM EST
I did take notes, quite extensively, and there were some very interesting points made in this session ... some highlights.

News conference: Q&A Session with the presidents of Russia and the United States

Question: I have a question for the President of the United States.

During your recent European tour, you said that the Nord Stream 2 pipeline project and other projects make Europe hostage to Russia. You suggested saving Europe from this dependence by supplying US liquefied gas.

This past cold winter proved the viability of the current energy supply system in Europe, at a time where the United States was forced to buy additional liquefied gas, including from Russia, to cover the heating needs of Boston.

So, my question: is your idea more of a political nature? Might it lead to a situation where a gap could develop in Europe's energy supply system which would impact primarily the consumer countries?

Donald Trump: No, actually, I called him a competitor, and a good competitor he is. And I think the word `competitor' is a compliment. I think that we will be competing when you talk about the pipeline. I am not sure necessarily that it's in the best interests of Germany or not, but that was a decision that they made. We will be competing. As you know, the United States is now - or soon will be, but I think it tactually is right now - the largest in the oil and gas world, so we are going to be selling LNG and will have to be competing with the pipeline. And I think we will compete successfully ...

VladimirPutin: I would like to add a couple of words to that.

I spoke with the President, including on this topic. We are aware of the President's position. But I believe that we, as a major oil and gas country - and the United States is also such a country - could work constructively to regulate international markets, because we are not interested in a sharp drop in prices below the lower limit. Our producers, including the United States with its shale oil and gas, will be affected by this.

The profit margin of production comes to naught below certain levels. We are not interested in excessively high prices either, because they can kill refining, engineering and other branches of the economy. We have things to discuss and there is room for cooperation. This is my first point.

Second, with regard to Nord Stream 2, the President expressed concerns about the possible end of transit across Ukraine. I assured him that Russia is willing to keep this transit in place. Moreover, we are willing to renew the transit contract, which expires next year, if the dispute between economic agents is settled in the Stockholm Arbitration Court.

Shut Down Nord Stream, Buy US Shale Gas

US President Trump opens NATO Summit breakfast with a frontal attack on Angela Merkel and German economic ties to Russia. US foreign policy is all about self-interest and fossil fuel: Middle East allies Israel and GCC states, Iraq War, Libya oil contracts and Syrian corridor for Qatar gas. Ukraine in 2014 ... undercutting Russia supplying gas to Europe, offering shale gas contracts. A long term "vision", worth going to war for? At least NATO gets emboldened with an aggressive stance from New Europe towards old Cold War foe, the Russian Federation. Just keep voicing fake news and misinformation ... the Americans living the new virtual reality of the digital age.

Donald Trump says Germany 'captive' of Russia | DW |

All smiles in 2011 - important year with Russian president Medvedev joined by Dutch PM Mark Rutte. Gazprom had taken a stake in Dutch giant Gasunie.

Report: Russian "Black Money" in the EU

The Expert Group on Fighting Transborder Corruption of the EU-Russia Civil Society Forum, in which NHC Associate Policy Director Harry Hummel takes part, issued a new report with two new case studies on investments of Russian companies in the European Union: the Nord Stream project and the Transmashholding company. The case studies document a range of questionable practices of these companies and raise questions about the role of business and individual counterparts in the European Union.

The North Stream project is a gas pipeline in the Baltic Sea implemented by a Russian-German-Dutch business consortium, with a majority share of Gazprom. The case study relates how high-level politicians in Russia and Sweden were involved in the project both while serving in official positions and after that. Questions are also raised over financial support given by the company to Swedish groups originally opposing the project, and on the extremely high costs of the Russian part of the pipeline. This case study was written by Grigory Pasko of the Foundation 19/29, a Russian investigative journalism group.

Merkel, Medvedev Launch Nord Stream Pipeline Beneath Baltic Sea | RFERL - Nov. 8, 2011 |

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by Oui on Tue Jul 17th, 2018 at 09:49:40 PM EST
I did take notes, quite extensively, and there were some very interesting points made in this session ... some highlights.

News conference: Q&A Session with the presidents of Russia and the United States

Question: For President Putin, if I could follow up as well... Why should Americans and why should President Trump believe your statement that Russia did not intervene in the 2016 election given the evidence that US intelligence agencies have provided? And will you consider extraditing the 12 Russian officials that were indicted last week by a US grand jury?

Donald Trump: We, I'm going to let the President answer the second part of this question, but, as you know, the whole concept of that came up perhaps a little bit before, but it came out as a reason why the Democrats lost an election, which, frankly, they should have been able to win, because the Electoral College is much more advantageous for Democrats, as you know, than it is for Republicans. We won the Electoral College by a lot - 306 to 223, I believe - and that was a well-fought battle. We did a great job, and, frankly, I am going to let the President speak to the second part of your question, but just to say it one time again, and I say it all the time: there was no collusion; I didn't know the President; there was nobody to collude with; there was no collusion with the campaign.

...

VladimirPutin: Regarding whom you can believe and whom you can't, you shouldn't believe anyone. What makes you think President Trump trusts me and that I fully trust him? He defends the interests of the United States of America. I defend the interests of the Russian Federation. We do have converging interests, and we are seeking common ground. We have issues that we disagree on so far. We are seeking options to settle these differences and make our work more constructive.

...
Second, as for the 12 alleged Russian intelligence officers, I don't know about this yet. I have to find out what it is you're talking about. The President also asked me this question.

What can I say? Generally, we talked about this, but now it occurs to me what I can suggest. There is the Treaty between the United States and the Russian Federation on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters of 1999. By the way, this has proven effective. We initiate up to 150 legal proceedings in Russia at the request of other countries. Several years ago, our former nuclear industry minister was extradited by the United States to Russia and received a sentence in court here. It is an effective treaty. The treaty provides concrete procedures for cooperation.

We can suggest that your relevant commission led by US Special Counsel - what is his name, Mr Mueller or Meller? - should send us, in compliance with this treaty, an official request for interrogating the people that he believes to be guilty of committing a crime. Our Prosecutor-General's Office and investigative agencies can interrogate these people and forward the relevant materials to the United States.

Moreover, we can take another step to meet you halfway. We can allow US official representatives, including those from the Mueller-led commission, to be present at the interrogation. Certainly, in this case, we will be seeking reciprocal steps from the United States. We'll expect the American party to interrogate the officials, including the US intelligence officers, who are suspected of committing illegal acts in Russia, in the presence of our investigation officers.

I mean the high-profile case, involving [Bill] Browder's Hermitage Capital company. According to our investigative officers, a group of people - Mr Browder's business partners - who illegally made over $1.5 billion in Russia did not pay taxes either in Russia or the United States but transferred this money to the United States. They contributed $400 million to Ms Clinton's election campaign. This is official information included in their reports - $400 million. Well, it was up to them, they might have done this legally, but the gains were ill-gotten.

We have grounds to suspect that US intelligence officers supported these illegal transactions. This is only one step forward. We can talk about expanding our cooperation. You're welcome, there might be options that are provided for in the appropriate intergovernmental treaty.

US/UK Point Man in Anti-Russia Campaign Speaks Up
Fusion GPS Transcript of Testimony Released

    Quite interesting, Glenn Simpson worked for a Russian oligarch to defeat the Magnitsky Act. In his testimony Simpson literally destroys Bill Browder!!! See also my earlier diaries ....

The Story Behind Chris Steele - Ukraine and Nuland
Khodorkovsky, Browder and the Magnitsky Act

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by Oui on Tue Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:06:39 PM EST
EU 'positive' on Russia-Ukraine gas talks | DW - July 17, 2018 |

The EU sounded an optimistic note on Tuesday following talks in Berlin with envoys from Moscow and Kiev over a dispute regarding future Russian gas shipments through Ukraine.

According to European Commission Vice-President Maros Sefcovic, the three-way talks were "future-oriented" and "positive" although the Russian representative, the country's Energy Minister Alexander Novak said "the issues at stake are very complicated and need serious discussions to move forward."

Large amounts of Russian gas are currently pumped to Europe via Ukraine, resulting in lucrative and critically important transit fees for the country. However, Ukraine holds deep concerns over the proposed Nord Stream 2 project, which will see a Baltic Sea pipeline opened from Russia to Germany, potentially ending the need for the transportation of gas through Ukraine.

The new pipeline, which Germany insists is purely a "commercial" project, is set to open in late 2019, but under pressure from allies, Chancellor Angela Merkel said earlier this year that Ukraine must not be isolated and must continue to play an important role in the transit of gas to Europe.

Shut Down Nord Stream, Buy US Shale Gas

An oldie ...

From the Archives ...

Assesing Russia's helmsman/despot legacy by FarEasterner on Jun 16th, 2010
Things to know and understand about Russia. Now. by US expat Ukraine on Aug 13th, 2008
The Coronation of Mystery Man Vladimir Putin - 2000 by Oui @BooMan on May 5th, 2018

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by Oui on Wed Jul 18th, 2018 at 07:18:10 PM EST
My best friend [Jewish roots] send me this link to a "world class" analysis of the true spirit heading into the treasonous Trump-Putin Summit in Helsinki.

In five shocking days the world order falls apart | NRC Rotterdam - Dutch |

In five days the American president Trump has put five post-war teachings into the old dirt, concludes Hubert Smeets.

Perhaps due to old age, but this is the second time he shoved a piece of trash written by Hubert Smeets through an e-mail under my doorstep. This was the previous occasion ... I send him the link @EuroTrib to refresh his memory.

Re: Dutch Fake News, Warmongering, Anti-Russia Pro  (none / 0)

Hilarious ... after reading an article in NRC written by Hubert Smeets, I needed to find out what was behind his "Knowledge center and Window on Russia." I'm baffled of course. Wasn't that a rock 'n roll dance: twisting and turning.  ;-)

Reading through some links the coordination becomes obvious ...  

Hubert Smeets publishes at Window to Russia:

Mission statement Window to Russia [RaamopRusland]

Little is left of the hope for harmonious cooperation between Russia and the West. Euphoria about the end of the Cold War, a quarter of a century ago, has been replaced by disappointment and lack of interest.

We have taken our eye off Russia. This explains why the European Union was caught completely off guard when Russian president Vladimir Putin deemed the Association Agreement with Ukraine unacceptable. Pro-European protests in Kiev led to president Yanukovych fleeing the country. Russia responded by annexing Crimea and supporting a war in the Donbass region.

Europe and Russia have diametrically opposite views about cause and effect of the conflict over Ukraine. These competing interpretations lead to confusion and growing mistrust, not only in light of the conflict on Ukraine, but also of Russia's unexpected involvement in the war in Syria and other international affairs.

All the more reason to ramp up the thought, analysis and debate about East-West relations.

'Window to Russia' collects all relevant information needed to understand the current situation. Our aim is to reinvigorate the debate and provide a forum for analyses and expertise. Apart from Dutch and European viewpoints, this platform will give ample room to Russian and Ukrainian voices. Our platform also bundles the expertise available at Dutch universities and institutions, to give policy makers, politicians, journalists, entrepreneurs and the public easy access to essential information about Russia and relations between East and West in Europe.

'Window to Russia' aims to separate fact from fiction and encourage dialogue.

Sounds too good to be true ... believe me, IT IS! SMEETS and ANTI-RUSSIA PROPAGANDA.

More from the Dutch Government recently ... is PM Mark Rutte (VVD) an US/UK agent?  ;)

Dutch Colonial Heritage Reaches Xenophobic Zenith
Dutch Flavor: Mixing Facts with Fantasy
Dutch FM Blok Does A Trumpian Back Flip
The World According to Dutch FM Halbe Zijlstra

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by Oui on Sat Jul 21st, 2018 at 08:52:16 PM EST
Anti-Russian propaganda appearing in Dutch school textbooks | Sott | and | RT |  

A Dutch parent posted two images from his daughter's school workbook on his facebook page. The schoolbook is "Themes in Social Studies 1 for VMBO-KGT", VMBO standing for "preparatory middle-level vocational education", and is a school track in the Netherlands, which is similar to high school. The schoolbook is provided to VMBO students (aging approx. 15-16 y/o) during the last two years of this school track.

Part of the description of the workbook reads, "The workbook is updated on an annual basis and contains many current and diverse sources with assignments." The workbook has certainly been updated, as Russia has been painted as quite an unfriendly country, clearly in line with the ongoing Western anti-Russia propaganda.

The following two images were found on page 67 of the workbook, Chapter 7: countries without democracy. The first image shows Russia as the 'evil' country trying to take Ukraine, while Europe is pictured lending a 'helping' hand. One of the questions students are asked, is: "What is Russia doing, and what is Europe doing in this picture?" Well, that isn't difficult to answer: Evil-looking Russia is obviously trying to devour poor Ukraine, while friendly Europe is looking on concerned!



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by Oui on Sat Jul 21st, 2018 at 08:57:29 PM EST


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