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A Swedish government appears

by fjallstrom Wed Jan 16th, 2019 at 02:24:40 PM EST

In September, Sweden went to the polls, and the results were far from clear, leading to a drawn out government formation.

To recap, the left bloc got 144 seats and declared themselves winners. But so did the right bloc with 143, on account of the left bloc losing more. And of course the far right Sweden Democrats with 62 seats also declared themselves winners.

PM Löfven was voted down by the right and far right, but the cabinet has stayed in  place as a care taker government.

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For practical purposes the parliament can be divided in far right (Sweden Democrats, 62 seats), conservative parties (The Moderates, 70 seats, and the Christian Democrats 22 seats), the liberal parties (the Liberals, 20 seats, and the Centre, 31 seats) the cabinet parties (the Greens, 16 seats, and the Social Democrats, 100 seats) and finally the left (Left party, 28 seats).

The standard cabinet formations has been either consevatives plus liberals, also known as "The Alliance" or the Social Democrats with support from Greens and Left, aka "The Red-Greens".

After several rounds of talks, in November parliament first voted down the opposition leader Kristofferson from the Moderates with far right and conservatives for and red-greens against and the liberal parties abstaining. Then it voted down Löfven again after he had failed to gain the support of the liberal parties. Red-greens for and the far right, conservatives and liberals against.

Then it came to the budget. The largest budget is passed, it does not need a majoirty of the votes. As care taker government, the cabinet motioned for a care taker budget with no major reforms and mostly indexed increases. However the conservative parties budget won with far right support (and liberal parties abstaining). Still the government could not resign, as they already were a care taker government.

The last weeks has seen an improvement in the pace of negotiations. A negotiated settlment by the liberal parties and the cabinet has passed in all four parties, were the cabinet parties continue in government and the liberal parties gives support in confidence and budget. Of course, this means policy give aways to the liberal parties, at the same time as this years budget is the conservative one.

Oh yeah, the liberal party leaders were quick to point out that they had contained the malign influence of the Left party. So the Left party threatened to vote down Löfven, only to back of today with the promise to vote him down in the future if he passes some of the reforms he has agreed to with the liberal parties. But for now, it looks like Löfven will be elected PM again on Friday.

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Long term, I think the main effect wil be the split of the Alliance. In 2022, the liberal parties and the conservatives will have traded barbs for years and will be much less keen on a right bloc as default.

This is the logical result of burying the 2014 December agreement in 2015, and the right bloc party leaders promising to vote down the Löfven government. So a number of shotstowards the feets there.

Unfortunately, this will probably lead to a weakening of the cordon sanitaire around the far right Sweden Democrats. The Sweden Democrats are currently pushing the idea of a conservative bloc (including themselves, of course) and I woulld not count on the Moderates and Christian Democrats to maintain the distance without the liberal parties there to force them.

Another winner may very well be the Left party. As the cabinet is forced to seek compromises with the liberals, the Left is free to gun away from the left and try to capture traditionally Social Democratic issues and voters.

by fjallstrom on Wed Jan 16th, 2019 at 02:42:17 PM EST
Who among voters benefits most or least from the budget? Could you sketch demography corresponding to the many political groups in the legislature?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Jan 16th, 2019 at 06:11:40 PM EST
One thing I have wondered about (since the Conservative-Liberal government in the UK a few years ago) is how to get a clear majority when you have more than two parties. As it seems to be now, you have an election, end up with several minority parties, then the party leaders are supposed to work out a coalition.

Another way to do it would be to have a ranked voting system, which would give the voters the choice of the coalition. It would also have the advantage of being "automatic" in the sense that the election results would be calculated immediately, instead of after months of negotiation between the parties.

by asdf on Thu Jan 17th, 2019 at 01:26:36 PM EST
What is the unstated assumption in the calculation of a majority number of votes for or against a legislative act?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Jan 17th, 2019 at 05:05:39 PM EST
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Not sure what you mean. The stated assumption of ranked voting systems is that "everybody will be ok" with their second or third choice, if their first choice doesn't win.
by asdf on Sat Jan 19th, 2019 at 03:17:50 AM EST
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One thing I have wondered about...is how to get a clear majority when you have more than two parties.

The unstated assumption is, all members of one political group vote identically in opposition to identical votes by every member of another party.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Jan 19th, 2019 at 05:01:31 AM EST
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Great news for islamists!
The greens have consistently supported islamists, and the social democrats have delayed legislation so that Sweden is far behind the rest of Europe in dealing with terrorism. Both are blind to Middle Eastern style antisemitism.

BTW, there is no "right" or "extreme right" in Swedish politics. The large conservative party is explicitly in favour of taxes over 50%!

As far as the cordon sanitaire goes, in the south of Sweden it's already gone on the local and regional levels - 25% vote SD here. They are the new or next social democrats, which makes sense as their policies are pretty much a carbon copy of that party in 1965.


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by Number 6 on Sun Jan 27th, 2019 at 01:51:05 PM EST
Sweden: The greens have consistently supported islamists, and the social democrats have delayed legislation so that Sweden is far behind the rest of Europe in dealing with terrorism. Both are blind to Middle Eastern style antisemitism.

I don't follow the political parties in Sweden that closely, find above statement painting a broad view. Is the Green Party inclusive to the Muslim community in Sweden? In addition I find Sweden has made a turn to the right in foreign policy. Blind to Middle Eastern style antisemitism is an odd statement to make.

Israel has a policy to broaden the definition of anti-semitism to include Zionism and criticism of Israel and its treatment of Palestinians in occupied territory. I wonder what you mean by this remark.

Sweden's Green Party grapples with claims it's been infiltrated by Islamists | Times of Israel |
Anti-Semitism Is Not the Issue; Palestine Is
Seattle Jewish Leader Turns Israel and Fear of Anti-Semitism into New Jewish Religion | Tikun Olam |
Terror threat Amsterdam: Mosques will get same police protection as synagogues | Het Parool |

Key words | Israel | Islamophobia | Populism | Geert Wilders | Right-wing | Poland | Hungary | BDS |

    Other funding

    The NRC says Wilders does not appear to have any other foreign funding. Daniel Pipes, director of the neo-conservative think tank Middle East Forum has donated to Wilders in the past but told the NRC last year he was withdrawing his backing following Wilders' `fewer Moroccans' chant and court case.



Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Sun Jan 27th, 2019 at 03:24:10 PM EST
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Thank you. My answer will be a lot more scatter shot and less thoughtful than yours. Think of it as impressionism, especially the references.

In the words of Gad Saad: "in the Middle East, hatred of Jews is built in on the cellular level." (Saad is a Lebanese Sephardi Jew whose family left for Canada in 1975.)

If the "criticism" of Israel is that the country shouldn't exist, then yes, I consider that to be about "Jews", not politics. Antisemitism predates Israel by thousands of years.  In the middle east holocaust denial is the default position in many school textbooks. Middle eastern media has a level of casual antisemitism (not just anti-zionism or whatever) that Europe hasn't seen since the days of ... well, Shakespeare.

Social democratic parties in the UK and Sweden, probably Belgium (possibly elsewhere) have made it their goal that immigrants from the Middle East - the future core voters as the parties have given up on the indigenous middle class - should choose their party by default. (If you don't, Islamist parties will get those votes, as they have already begun to do in Belgium.) This involved playing to these groups by ignoring what would be considered antisemitism if it came from white people on the right.  Can you sing the "Khaybar" song and just be talking about Israel and the 1967 borders? Apparently.

The religious branch of the social democratic party (Socialdemokrater för Tro och Solidaritet) have a long history of shilling for groups connected with the Muslim Brotherhood.

The tax payers money passed through the foreign office (Utrikesdepartementet) to supports a one-state solution: Palestine without Israel.
Other countries have stopped supporting the Palistinean Authority when it gets too vocal it its support for terrorists whose main goal is killing jews. Sweden (The Social Democrats) does not.

Verbal and financial support to various organisations and people: Ship to Gaza (supported by Turkeys APK),  Milli Görus, Turkish Grey Wolves, Hamas, Hezbollah, Swedish Muslims for Peace and Justice, Mahmoud Abbas.

The EU considers Hamas to be a terrorist organisation. The Swedish Social Democrats are not too worried.

At the current rate, Sweden will be the new Lebanon in a generation so the point will be moot.

Right, I'll go back to my own bubble for a few years again, and you can keep yours. Deal? :)

Regarding the supposed turn to the right, one of the main points in the recent agreement is more generous rules for bringing in relatives (or "relatives").

I'll just put one link in English here and put the rest, mostly in Swedish but with my subjective summary, separately.
https:/ledarsidorna.se/2017/09/minority-report-the-unholy-axis-and-swedens-support


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by Number 6 on Mon Jan 28th, 2019 at 11:45:44 AM EST
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https:/www.sydsvenskan.se/2012-04-27/reepalus-sprak-ar-antisemitiskt
(Obama envoy on antisemitism meets with leading social democrat in Malmö, finds his statements antisemitic. Among other things Ilmar Reepalu says he's under attack by "israeli lobby", i.e. "jews run the media".)

http://www.dagen.se/nyheter/fi-politiker-ville-tomma-israel-pa-judar-1.1176061
(Feminist Initiative candidate would like to move all jews out of Israel.)

https:www.expressen.se/debatt/judehatet-i-sverige-har-ursaktats-av-ledande-politiker
(Left wing parliamentarians attend meetings)
https:/www.dagen.se/s-ledamot-poserar-med-karta-dar-israel-inte-existerar-1.303243?paywall=true
(Proud social democratic MP poses with map where Israel has been removed.)

http://fnordspotting.blogspot.com/2014/10/socialdemokrater-for-tro-och.html
(Social democrat in charge of work against antisemitism states Breivik was close to zionists and IS was trained by Mossad.)
http://skma.se/blogg/2015/03/nej-peter-weiderud-socialdemokrater-for-tro-och-solidaritet-tar-inte-al ls-avstand-fran-all-antisemitism

(Swedish islamic group receiving state funding repeatedly invites antisemitic speakers.)
https:/www.ssu.se/ssuaren-jonas-bergstrom-med-pa-ship-to-gaza
(Social democratic youth organisation )
https:/www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/kaplan-umgas-med-erdo-ans-man-i-sverige
(Green party member reports directly to Turkey)
https:
ledarsidorna.se/2018/08/bade-socialdemokraterna-och-miljopartiet-har-uttalad-antisemitism-bl and-fortroendevalda
(Green party has ties to APK, IHH and Hamas)
https:/www.expressen.se/ledare/hur-botas-antisemitism-av-annu-ett-museum
(A third of swedish jews considering leaving the country)
https:/www.expressen.se/ledare/naomi-abramowicz/tala-klarsprak-om-antisemitismen-lofven-
(Greatest threat to jews in sweden is islamists, not nazis)
https:/www.aftonbladet.se/debatt/a/0EREjJ
(Children and teens from the middle east arriving in Sweden have never heard of the Holocaust and consider jews to be evil.)
https:
www.expressen.se/ledare/patrik-kronqvist/miljopartiet-tar-ju-inte-sitt-islamistproblem-pa-al lvar
https:/ledarsidorna.se/2018/10/socialdemokraterna-en-saker-politisk-hamn-for-hamas
(Leading social democrats apologists for Hamas)
https:/ledarsidorna.se/2018/08/socialdemokraterna-har-samma-problem-som-labour-med-antisemiter
(Social democratic parliamentary candidate openly supports Hamas.)
https:/www.varldenidag.se/israelkommentar/wallstrom-forstar-verkligen-inte/reprbo!Brq0tcavZHTXwXW0O UYvqg
(Swedish foreign minister doesn't understand ... a lot of things. Amongst them: she states money paid to Palestinian terrorists goes via the EU and with the approval of Israel. Unesco passes resolution to use only arabic name Temple Mount has no ties to judaism, only western country to vote for this is Sweden.)
https:/uvell.se/2017/12/11/svenska-vansterns-flathet-mot-hatet
(Many of middle eastern origin agree with antisemitic statements.)
https:/www.nytimes.com/2014/09/24/world/europe/europes-anti-semitism-comes-out-of-shadows.html
(Left becoming dependent on the middle eastern vote. Jews leaving France. )
https:
ledarsidorna.se/2017/02/statsministern-och-det-muslimska-brodraskapet
(Religious branch increaces influence within social democratic party and has long ties to - ultimately - the Moslem Brotherhood.)
https:/ledarsidorna.se/2018/05/trots-president-abbas-antisemitiska-uttalanden-garanterar-ud-sverige s-lojalitet
(Abbas states jews are responsible for antisemitism, Swedish authorities pledges continued support.)
http://wafa.ps/ar_page.aspx?id=C5SdEza819332749851aC5SdEz
(Sweden will do what it can to prevent EU countries from moving their embassy to Jerusalem.)

PS. Is firebombing a synagogue a reason to deport someone? In Sweden it's a reason not to.
https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Gothenburg_Synagogue_attack
https:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/15/sweden-refuses-deport-palestinian-firebombed-synagogue-f ear


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by Number 6 on Mon Jan 28th, 2019 at 11:46:15 AM EST
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"Aiiieeeee the darkies are coming for our women"

Fuck off.

Oh, and the mainstreaming of anti-muslim rhetoric and the conflation of criticism of Israel with anti-semitism  is directly (and predictably) responsible for the increase in mainstream anti-semitism so well fucking done.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jan 28th, 2019 at 11:53:42 AM EST
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Well said :)

Thank goodness right-wing politics in Israel have lost all faith in the Jewish diaspora in America. So Netanyahu needs to kiss ass of the Evangelicals in the States which empower the Republican candidates. Across the African continent the authoritarian regimes and in "New" Europe, the Likud cozies up to the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland. In the Ukraine the political power of the oligarchs are evenly divided in pro-West and pro-Russian. Therefore Netanyahu is sitting on the fence and won't criticize Putin for the annexation of Crimea (after a people's `vote' of course). Trump's Jews a Shanda.

I don't know what playbook Number 6 is reading from, but his statement couldn't be left unanswered.

Convivencia - diversity of thought and level of enriched learning
The so-called Abrahamic Religions (Judaism, Christianity, & Islam) lived peacefully together for many centuries in Mesopotamia

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by Oui on Mon Jan 28th, 2019 at 01:30:48 PM EST
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I don't have a "playbook" and you don't need to assume my gender.


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by Number 6 on Mon Jan 28th, 2019 at 02:17:05 PM EST
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Fi-politiker ville tömma Israel på judar

Feministiskt initiativs riksdagskandidat ville tömma Israel på judar och låta palestinierna "få leva i fred och åter bygga upp det land som en gång var deras".

Source: Dagen.se [pay wall]

About: Dagen  (http://www.dagen.se) - was   founded   by   the   leader   of   the Pentecostal movement in Sweden in 1945 and published daily. It claims to be a Christian voice in the media noise. Its circulation is 18.400 (year 2006).

The Dutch too have a scourge of fundamental churches going by the description of "christian" and following scriptures or the bible. Recently posted about the statement on gay people and earlier about the Dutch Reformed - part of Trump's inner circle.

FI - like I suspected a splinter group not representative of the general population of Swedes

    Support for Feminist Initiative dwindled, however, and the party only managed to obtain 0.4% of the vote in the 2018 general election. The party lost seven seats in the municipal elections and did not gain any county council seats. In October 2018, Gudrun Schyman announced that she would be stepping down as leader of the party at the next party congress.

    [...]

    In July 2018, Feminist Initiative member Oldoz Javidi was strongly criticized in Swedish media for anti-semitic remarks made during a Ship to Gaza voyage. Javidi stated in an interview that the Jews living in Israel should be moved to the USA, a remark that made journalists draw comparisons to deportations during WWII. Javidi left the party following the criticism.

More ...

Knowledge and empathy [understanding - not emotion] is a medicine to heal prejudiced opinion.

PS I will take a closer look @gender-neutrality in writing.

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Mon Jan 28th, 2019 at 03:31:54 PM EST
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You could get a job in Swedish Public Service, except for the swearing!
But seriously, increasing number of people are worried about this. Is "you're a racist" and mockery the only things you have to offer?

I'd offer a humorous quote from Holly, but I doubt you'd accept it in the spirit it's meant.

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by Number 6 on Mon Jan 28th, 2019 at 02:08:51 PM EST
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People who voluntarily conflate "muslims" and "islamists" know exactly what they are doing. They are the enemy of all decent people.

And not worth the effort of engaging with. They need to work it out on their own, and come back changed.


It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Jan 31st, 2019 at 08:20:22 AM EST
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You must realize how difficult it is to de-program a radical.  ;)

De-radicalization versus Deprogramming: Similarities and Differences in Programs to Encourage Desistance

Related reading from an hotspot ...

The Doha Declaration: Promoting a Culture of Lawfulness

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Thu Jan 31st, 2019 at 11:30:32 AM EST
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