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Perils of the Enlightenment - 250 Years Later

by Oui Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 at 10:28:40 AM EST

From a brief comment by Cat on New Year's Day ...

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Reversing the Descent of Man

##Sociopaths teaching sociopaths manners

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Jan 1st, 2019 at 09:42:06 PM PDT  

As I started to read article, I realized a lot of potential on content. As I read further it became contentious and in the end I had many disagreements. Human life and social patterns are a continuous experiment, there are no laws. Every generation is confronted with the puzzle of life and how to bond with fellow human beings. Even at a "wise" age, the New Year presents many challenges. To stay young at heart, stay true to your ideals, I do. A hard core optimist. ;)

To blame the Enlightenment for the perils in today's society ... is a bit beyond my comprehension.

A wish to return to chivalry and the Holy Roman Empire? Go East young man, go East: for starters Saudi Arabia, Emirates and Iran and most nations in between.

More below the fold ...

Interesting to take a look at the author who died in 2018.

In The New East End (2006) he explored, with co-authors Kate Gavron and Michael Young (died 2002), the attitudes of the white working class to Bangladeshi immigrants in the London area of Tower Hamlets and particularly the tensions between the two over the allocation of social housing. The book was an updating of Young's East End, Family and Kinship (1957). The authors concluded that the alienation of the white community in the area was partly an unintended consequence of policies designed to help the poorest in society but which ignored the legitimate expectations of other communities such as the white working class.

[links added are my own - Oui]

Related reading ...

120 Years Later by Helen @ET on Aug. 3, 2007
We dont all wear burqa's : Rising Islamic feminism
About A Rib Taken From Adam by Oui @BT on March 16, 2013

Further reading ...



A Debate Renewed

Searching for some images through a search engine, came across several interesting diverging lines on topic ...

Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs vs. The Max Neef Model of Human Scale development

In spotlight due to spread of hate speech, undercutting democracy and elections, social uprising to partnering with leftist, anti-Christian ngo

How Technology is Hijacking Your Mind -- from a Magician and Google Design Ethicist

Whose Gender Is It Anyway?

Confused already? Chinese wise man ...

Confucianism: Views, Philosophy & Teaching

I try to discipline myself for own academic living purpuses rather than for this frivolous topic. But let me say this about that.

The Quilette article says:

As David Gilmore's cross-cultural study of men shows (1990), in the small handful of cultures without patriarchy, men live a narcissistic Peter Pan existence, putting very little into the community and leaving most of the labor to women. Such societies have not developed beyond a rudimentary level, and cannot compete with their more highly organized and structured neighbors. This is why there are so few of them.
I mentioned Marquez' novel "One Hundred Years of Solitude" here recently. It is an epic of a matriarchal family, with rather strong, bright women and quite lacking Chose Arcadios, Aurelianos. What was this family line missing for avoiding a sad fate? I would say, real men. There is not much more to ask from the women, given the Peter Pan men indeed.

If the Democratic party becomes (so to speak) matriarchal, I would feel concerned about its fortunes against the Republicans. Honestly.

The two most prominent moral philosophers of the Enlightenment were David Hume and Immanuel Kant. Hume was a great empiricist, and he followed British sentimentalists in basing morality in exhibited values, sentiments of emotional, striving living humans. Kant formulated an abstract, universal moral reality based on reason.

The modern woke progressives are clearly Kantians, with strong intellectual sentiments about justice, equality, autonomy. They have laws how humans should be, but little interest how they really are.

Imagine a dystopian world where visceral human sentiments regarding sex are quite the opposite of what  Kantian intellectuals conclude or may ever imagine. The thinking guys are fooled by smooth talk that implies that they have to follow their Kantian sentiments more earnestly, while in reality they thereby place themselves rather low for female preferences. A good deal of male boldness, domination is appreciated actually much better. Smart girls do not even know that they would not be really attracted to anyone less smart or cool than themselves. Equal or educated marriages are painfully unstable, while apparently awful patriarchal families are much smoother, have more kids. How would you want to help the progressives in this dystopian world?

It is good to remember Maslow's hierarchy of needs indeed. How should we know what self-actualization really means for humans of both genders? In the Kantian way, or in the Humean way? Hume was good with ladies in Paris salons. Kant never married.

Here is another Quilette article:

Video Games and the (Male) Meaning of Life

by das monde on Sat Jan 5th, 2019 at 09:21:37 PM EST
UK army recruitment ads target 'snowflake' millennials
The campaign, featuring posters and TV ads titled Your Army Needs You, suggests that what is seen as a weakness or a character flaw by the rest of society can be seen as a strength by the army. The campaign states that the army could use the "compassion" of "snowflakes", the "self-belief" of millennials, the "confidence" of selfie takers, and the "focus" of phone zombies.

by das monde on Sun Jan 6th, 2019 at 08:27:28 PM EST

France had its Foreign Legionnaires ...
Dutch Army and its beatniks and hippies tradition ...

America as the Penal Colony of the British Empire < the Year 1776

From American History I learned about the Mayflower, Pilgrim Fathers and early settlers having meals with the locals for Thanksgiving.

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Sun Jan 6th, 2019 at 09:34:48 PM EST
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A remittance man is a historic term for an emigrant, often from Britain to a colony, supported by regular payments from home, on the expectation that he stay away [...]

Historian Monica Rico describes in Nature's Noblemen: Transatlantic Masculinities and the Nineteenth-Century American West (2013) how the figure emerged in the 1880s: "Unable to succeed in Britain [...] the remittance man represented the utter failure of elite British masculinity to function in the modern world." Where he was to go was a wide-open question. The British Empire offered wide-open spaces and possibilities of redemption in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and colonial parts of Africa; some thought the American West was also an appropriate destination. Rico concludes that "the remittance man, in his weakness, symbolized his culture's fear that British masculinity was imperiled both in Britain and abroad."

[...] They were "everlasting sources of enjoyment and personal gain" for the tough ranchers and early colonists, "the natural butt of the cowboys' jokes". Remittance men were held in scorn by all, even "solid contempt", and were considered easy marks by conmen and tellers of tall tales. Some, however, won redemption by, for example, joining the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in the Yukon.

by das monde on Mon Jan 7th, 2019 at 02:52:52 PM EST
Close relationship in "morals" between orthodox Protestants and American right-wing extremists. US Democrats look in your own backyard before propagandizing homophobia in Russia for political reasons #SochiOlympics #Putin. Same as #Israel using the #GayParade for public relations. A "moral" stance to paint over the inhumane treatment of minority groups in their own nations. Take off that smirk on your faces, or is it a mask you are wearing?

Anti-LGBTQ manifesto signed by hundreds of Dutch Protestant Pastors | Dutch Review |

Important members of the Dutch Protestant church, including Dutch pastors, university lecturers and an MP of SGP (the fundamentalist Christian party) Van der Staaij, have signed a manifesto which is targeted against the LGBTQ community. Hundreds have signed and it's important to point out that these folks are part of the very orthodox part of the Protestant church in the Netherlands. Also, it's vital to declare that this a disgusting and dividing statement which we, and you as well hopefully, strongly reject.

This manifesto is a direct translation of another 2017 manifesto the `Nashville declaration' in the United States.

What does it actually say?

Here is the Dutch version of the manifesto. But for the people who can't read Dutch, here is some of the translation (RTLnieuws):

    "WE CONFIRM that God intended marriage as a lifelong covenant relationship between one man and one woman, within which sexuality has a place and from which children are brought. The purpose of marriage is to make the covenant love between Christ and His bride, the Church, visible. WE DENY that God meant marriage as a homosexual, polygamous or polyamorous relationship. We also deny that marriage is a mere human contract instead of a covenant made for God."  

Holland Heritage: Hoekstra - DeVos - Erik Prince

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Tue Jan 8th, 2019 at 08:08:14 AM EST
Apparently the Dutch, when they were scooping up all the undesirable Calvinist crapsacks and freighting them to South Africa and Michigan, missed a few.  Van der Staaij also signed the original Nashville Statement, along with most of our native fascist religitards, at a conference held with undoubtedly unintended irony at the Gaylord Center.
by rifek on Sat Jan 26th, 2019 at 04:44:12 PM EST
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'The Water Cure' Imagines What The World Would Be Like If Toxic Masculinity Were An Actual Toxin
On a remote island off the coast of an unspecified continent, three sisters -- Grace, Lia, and Sky -- are hidden away from the world. It's a world where the water is poisoned, the air is polluted, and men are literally toxic. Their home, a large, crumbling mansion that once served as a rehabilitation center for abused women, is surrounded by shark-infested waters on one side and barbed wire on the other. Their father, called King, is the only man the sisters have ever seen; their mother administers unconventional therapies and performs cult-like rituals designed to strengthen the girls against the poisoned planet. Then, King disappears. This is where author Sophie Mackintosh's debut novel, The Water Cure -- longlisted for the 2018 Man Booker Prize -- begins.
by das monde on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 12:54:09 PM EST
  1. The only purpose I have ever discerned for sociology as a field of study is to absorb people who lack the wit and will to learn enough medical jargon to bollocks their way through psychology.  People like Geoff Dench.
  2. This article is absolute rubbish.  It is the reverse side of Riane Eisler's "The Chalice and the Blade" rubbish, torturing history and archeology for a political end.  Men have historically had a minimal and marginal social role?  Well maybe in the case of Dench and his ilk; I mean who would want them around (A pity his family couldn't have made him a remittance man, but the Sun had already set on the Empire.)?  But historically that's demonstrably exactly wrong.  But then Dench gets even wronger by blaming all current male ills (I'm surprised there isn't a reference to ED medication somewhere in his article.) on women wanting a better seat at the table.  Apparently the Industrial Revolution (shifting men from the land to the factory, thus severing them from production of household goods and daily household activities, and shifting families from extended to nuclear, thus decreasing the role of the older generation but especially older men) had nothing to do with it, and neither has the De-Industrial Revolution (destroying the living wage, blue collar jobs the majority of men have occupied until recently and essentially reducing them to economic and so social redundancy).  Nope, blame it all on them wimmins.  It's no wonder Dench converted to Anglo-Catholicism, the last refuge of those who believe Arthurian legends are a true representation of the Middle Ages and long to drag the world back there but don't want to be obligated to accept some hard-nosed Jesuit telling them how full of dreck they are.
by rifek on Sat Jan 26th, 2019 at 06:40:49 PM EST
I'm no student of Sociology as I am a β-man, the sciences and math.

However, from my experience in life over many generations and evaluating where we are as a society, I would search here for an explanation:

<< Capitalism, Rise of Inequality, Class, Pressure on Social Order M/F, Ownership, Slump In Masculinity >>

Social order in (primitive tribes) Amazon Indians - Africa Turkana - Arabian peninsula - Central Asia - Polynesia

The Many Ways Society Makes a Man

Decolonizing Middle East Men and Masculinities Scholarship: An Axiomatic Approach

    ... critical approaches to masculinity can easily become incorporated into liberal, colonial, or disciplinary state projects. I would add that the dominant theories in contemporary masculinity studies were produced largely by white male scholars in the United States and Australia whose assumptions in relation to Western societies have been globalized as theory writ large relatively unselfconsciously.

    The three axiomatic assumptions around which this review essay is structured (1) recognize masculine difference, plurality, and self-making; (2)  understand masculinities as shaped by capitalism, colonialism, and imperialism, but also "local" systems and ideas; and (3) pay close attention to masculine embodiments and emotions and not only the abstract workings of ideology, law, institutions, and systems.

Bride Kidnapping and Women's Civic Participation in the Kyrgyz Republic

Market Economy and Changing Sex-Roles on a Polynesian Atoll

I was searching for:

Capitalism and Democracy by Gabriel A. Almond

Came across Almond here and here >>

Better late than never, 60-year-old thesis on New York society published

A class of professional politicians arose to run New York, he found. Through contributions, the wealthy ensured government did not harm their businesses, but took no interest in broader issues except temporarily in times of crisis, such as an embarrassing government corruption scandal, war or the threat of social unrest. Without their involvement most of the time, Almond wrote, the professional politicians were limited in what they could undertake.

The Cold War, Almond says now, altered these dynamics. "The level of threat and tension surrounding the Cold War made people willing to sacrifice, pay taxes and accord a lot of authority to the president and the executive," if not directly to local government. Now that the threat is gone, government is in disrepute and there is virtually no effort to deal with the social problems of American cities.

The politicians of New York and other cities brag about their falling crime rates, he said, "but that is largely attributable to demographics. There just aren't as many boys and young men right now, and you still have an overpopulation in the prison system and an enormous investment of resources in them."

The "tragic irony" of disinterest in local politics by "respectable society," he writes in his preface, is that "it condemns us to cope with the consequences of inner city breakdown rather than with its causes. The inner city holds the public safety and order of American society in hostage, and government can only respond by putting more policemen on the streets and building more prisons."

Interesting stuff ... now will a master in Sociology explain the white class, identity, oppression of women, development of human kind over the last seven decades since World War II. The role of women during the war replacing men in the factories ... the start of a revolution that led to emancipation and urge for equal rights. Process is not completed as of today ... wasn't the first wave of women's rights taking place during the First World War and the voting rights or Suffrage movement. Nice! Education serves a purpose after all.

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Sat Jan 26th, 2019 at 09:52:46 PM EST
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Now that the threat is gone,

What happened to Islam?

The politicians of New York and other cities brag about their falling crime rates, he said, "but that is largely attributable to demographics.

Ignoring all the evidence that it's mainly attributable to elimination of leaded gasoline.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:54:59 AM EST
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