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Ulster says NO!

by Frank Schnittger Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 10:54:04 AM EST

DUP leader Arlene Foster (left) and deputy leader Nigel Dodds. photograph: Stefan Rousseau/PA Wire

The title of this diary is deliberately provocative as "Uster Says No" has been the Paisleyite, unionist and loyalist moto since the formation of the N. Ireland sectarian statelet. In reality N. Ireland only constitutes 6 of the 9 counties of the province of Ulster, and these were chosen as part of a deliberate gerrymander to create a protestant majority. Even within this context, the DUP now only has about 1,000 members and received 24% and 22% of the vote in the 2019 local and European elections respectively.

So it is more correct to state that it is the DUP which says NO, as they have been doing to every reform initiated since the foundation of the statelet, including the Good Friday Agreement. Basically they claim that N. Ireland is as British as Finchley while at the same time claiming different treatment for Northern Ireland compared to Britain when it suits them on car number plates, bank holidays, tourism, languages, gambling, defamation, anti-discrimination laws, spirit measures, railway lines, lighthouses, waterways, the civil service, abortion and equal marriage.

So the DUP's rejection of Boris Johnson's Brexit deal is utterly in character and of no surprise whatsoever to anyone acquainted with N. Ireland politics. But the DUP is also literally incapable of saying YES to any significant change because it does not have the skills or means to persuade its voting base of the necessity for change. As Northern Ireland Unionist commentator, Newton Emerson has observed,


On the day of the 1994 IRA ceasefire, Sinn Féin organised a victory parade along the Falls Road in Belfast. There was much public cynicism about this obvious spin but republicans still knew the importance of getting their cynicism in first.


Prior to the ceasefire, Sinn Féin and IRA leaders spent months discussing the political way ahead with their base, suffering damaging defections along the way.

There were four further years of grassroots briefings ahead of the Belfast [Good Friday] Agreement, often to distinctly unimpressed audiences. To keep the show on the road, Sinn Féin is known to have given its supporters nudges and winks about the republican movement's honesty and commitment to peace.

The task the DUP faces in reconciling its supporters to a Brexit deal is of the same order, whatever responsibility it accepts for it. I make the comparison to illustrate how such efforts are very much not in the party's character.

The DUP opposed the Belfast Agreement but did not make any attempt to present its defeat as victory. It slinked into Stormont and carped from the sidelines, still pretending it did not want to be there.

Last week the DUP held talks with loyalist leaders to reassure them on its Brexit proposals. These talks were notable for being unusual - the party was firefighting media reports of loyalist revolt rather than pursuing any long-term engagement.

The DUP would deny loyalist paramilitaries are part of its base. It prefers to have an arm's-length relationship with them and its approach to the broader unionist community is little better. Most DUP representatives are diligent glad-handers and constituency workers but the party has no equivalent of Sinn Féin's constant campaigns and rounds of town hall meetings, where supporters are briefed on policy and strategy and invited to feel part of a movement.

There is a strange disconnection between the DUP and the unionist electorate that has only widened as its vote has grown. Religious, conservative and oddly classless, it is unlike huge swathes of the people it represents and seems disinterested in closing the gap. Internally, the DUP is a tiny black box of backroom operatives, as revealed by the Renewable Heat Incentive scandal. Elected representatives are kept on a tight leash and the membership, numbering about 1,000, is powerless and generally ignored.

This has created a culture where decisions are decreed from the top with no serious consultation inside the party, let alone beyond it. If a decision goes down badly, the leadership is more inclined to freeze and dig in than to explain itself and try again.

So what we are seeing here is a failure of leadership, and a failure of politics, but one which has worked for Unionism up until now because of their in-built majority in N. Ireland's sectarian headcount. Now that demographic changes are beginning to challenge that majority, N. Ireland unionism has no means of accommodating itself to that change. The cries of "No Surrender" become ever more shrill the more their majority is imperilled. "Those whom the Gods wish to destroy, they first make mad."

Although many ERG members have now promised to support Boris' deal even before they knew what it contained, it is doubtful that there will be sufficient Labour rebels to make up for the loss of DUP, some ERG and some expelled Tory MPs to provide a majority for Boris' deal at Saturday's special meeting of the House of Commons. It seems hardly likely that the EU and UK will attempt to negotiate a third deal to satisfy the DUP, so the only outcome has to be a further Brexit extension to facilitate a general election or a second referendum.

Labour has signalled a preference for a general election, a development that would signal the end for many independent and ChangeUK MPs, and perhaps for Lib Dem leader, Jo Swinson, in her Scottish constituency as well. Their only option to avoid this fate - and deny Johnson a majority - would be to elected Corbyn as interim PM of a caretaker government to organise a second referendum. But could they overcome their childish vendettas against him?

With the Leave vote likely to be divided between those supporting Johnson's deal and Faragiste no dealers, there is every prospect that Remain would win the referendum, and Corbyn any subsequent general election. But there is a political process of consulting with the people that has to be gone through first. Something the DUP will have to learn to do in due course as well.

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by Oui on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 11:11:41 AM EST
Brilliant. They are willing to sit again in Stormont, in order to say NO! some more, in the only forum which is structurally obliged to listen to them.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Oct 18th, 2019 at 10:17:06 AM EST
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The last hurdle introduced by fool's PM Theresa May - election 2016 and caecum DUP - has frustrated any possible Brexit with a deal. So Britain has found out this morning ... DUP who considers the GFA a work in progress. It's long overdue to enter the 21st century and abort the DUP from Britain's future. Boris Johnson cannot deliver on his promise to leave the EU by 10-31 "Do or Die". Ergggg

Victims and 'victimhood' in Northern Ireland

See also today's post - DUP and Body Language

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by Oui on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 11:18:11 AM EST
Reaction from Ireland on Boris Johnson's deal | BBC News |

The (Irish deputy PM) Simon Coveney said the deal was worth supporting because it "protects core Irish interests".

Speaking in the Dáil (Irish parliament), he added: "It is a deal that will protect people on this island, it will protect peace on this island, it will protect grade on this island it will ensure there will be no checks."

Ulster Bank's chief economist Richard Ramsey said the deal was "significantly worse" than the one Theresa May struck with the EU last year - it was subsequently rejected by MPs.

Sinn Féin president Mary Lou McDonald said she welcomed the announcement of a new deal.

    "Any deal can only mitigate the worst effects of Brexit; a least worst option. The deal agreed today is complex and wide-ranging and all aspects need to be considered in their entirety. We will be meeting with the Tánaiste in the coming hours in this regard."

Ulster Unionist MLA Steve Aiken said Mr Johnson's Brexit deal keeps Northern Ireland in the EU "to all intents and purposes".



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by Oui on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 01:33:39 PM EST
The revised Ireland/Northern Ireland Protocol to the Withdrawal Agreement is available here.

It is a pretty comprehensive document and consists of a cover page, a two page prologue, and 18 articles covering 12 pages followed by 7 annexes covering 48 Pages of legal references.

All the core Irish, EU and UK "red lines" appear to have been respected with the exception of the DUP objection to a border down the Irish sea and the maintenance of a unionist veto on EU customs arrangements applying to N. Ireland.

It is, from an Irish perspective, a major triumph for European diplomacy but there will be a great reluctance to trumpet its achievements lest that inflame the Parliamentary situation in the UK further.

The House of Commons would appear to have two options: One, it can approve this deal and Brexit could happen on 31st. October, or it can vote down this deal and seek an A.50 extension. The European Council will only grant such a extension to facilitate a "democratic event", so then it is a question of which does the House of Commons want - a second referendum, or a general election? Given that turkeys do not generally vote for Christmas, it looks like a second referendum is now the most likely outcome. But will Johnson agree to organise it, or must we wait for PM Corbyn?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 01:41:49 PM EST
Seems like if this were passed and enacted, it would likely keep the legal industry going for years with a multitude of interpretations and decisions and appeals.
by asdf on Fri Oct 18th, 2019 at 01:45:44 AM EST
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The 17 Oct document dump is bigger than that.

Negotiating documents on Article 50 negotiations with the United Kingdom

  • European Commission Recommendation
  • Letter from President Jean-Claude Juncker to President Donald Tusk
  • Revised Political Declaration
  • Working document - Consolidated version of the Withdrawal Agreement following revision of the Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland and technical adaptations to Articles 184 and 185, as agreed at negotiators' level and endorsed by the European Council


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by Cat on Fri Oct 18th, 2019 at 02:15:55 AM EST
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Art. 126, Art. 127 are not modified.
There shall be a transition or implementation period, which shall start on the date of entry into force of this Agreement and end on 31 December 2020.

Art. 185, Entry into force, is not modified except for reference to Ireland/Northern Ireland Protocol provisions in force on approval of WA or at end of the WA "transition period".

I can see no indication in the documents either limiting or renewing current A.50(3) period.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Oct 18th, 2019 at 03:03:52 AM EST
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Ronan McGreevy has an interesting analysis of the numbers game in Westminster. Basically, without the DUP's support, Boris will have to get all the ERG members, expelled Conservative MPs - many of whom are Remainers and sworn Boris enemies - and hard core Labour leavers to vote for his deal.

Only the fear of a no-deal Brexit was persuade some to do so, but the Benn Act appears to take that off the table. So if the Deal is defeated, only the general election and second referendum options remain...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 02:25:41 PM EST
Conditions set by EU-27 and an extension request: only in case of an election and perhaps a people's referendum. The EU wants to get the affair over with.  

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by Oui on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 02:40:30 PM EST
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Not so fast. wkiwtf sez, there are six (6) types of elections in the UK. Today, human bean counters are betting on odds of approval of "the deal" by HoC, an act of [the Crown in] parliament. Whether or not "the deal" is approved, EUWa-2-2019 requires HRM BoJo to deliver on or before 19 Oct SCHEDULE FORM LETTER requesting extension period 1 Nov - 31 Jan (91 days) to the EU Council.

(3)If neither of the conditions in subsection (1) or subsection (2) is satisfied, subsection (4) must be complied with no later than 19 October 2019.
Then human bean counters set betting on odds of HoC approval of the extension period returned by EU Council, whether or not identical to SCHEDULE FORM LETTER request.

Then human bean counters set betting on odds of HoC approval of either snap election --OR-- referendum. wikiwtf summarizes provisions for snap election:

the Monarch (on the recommendation of the prime minister) appoints the date of the new election by proclamation. Parliament is then dissolved 25 working days before that date.

Bit of a squeeze that to accommodate customary, carefree holidays. An even more alarming restriction on [Crown in the] parliament period to move, "debate," and agree (1) content and (2) legal instrumentality of Q put to referendum--Who to blame? for example.

In either case the "independent" Electoral Commission administers the plebiscite as directed by the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 ahhhh and The Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 (Northern Ireland Political Parties) Order 2008. The Sir-John-Major period permitted by royal prerogative for the Commission to guarantee these arrangements is beyond the scope of this comment.

So. I idly wonder, What duration of A.50(3) extension period will the EU Council return to the UK parliament?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 05:29:13 PM EST
UK, EU reach tentative Brexit deal; still needs ["]ratification["]
Juncker and Johnson then stood together at a joint news conference in Brussels to proclaim a deal, tempered by Juncker's sadness at Britain's departure. They said there was no need for Britain to request yet another extension to its Oct. 31 departure from the European Union.

Juncker ruled out any new delay, leaving British lawmakers with a simple choice: Deal or no deal.

oops. It appears that odds of a successful a Hail, Mary pass through High Court litigation of 31 Jan 2020 exit date to ECJ -> 0.

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by Cat on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 05:42:15 PM EST
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So much for "no-deal" blocking acts by parliament, "in accordance with its own constitutional requirements".

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 05:45:13 PM EST
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in A few first principles, Documentary evidence, GRANTED "as long as necessary and, in any event, no longer than 31 October 2019"

EUROPEAN COUNCIL DECISION taken in agreement with the United Kingdom extending the period under Article 50(3)TEU, 11 Apr



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by Cat on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 05:58:20 PM EST
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EU leaves door open to Brexit extension, in blow to Boris Johnson , not really
A summit communique issued after two hours of discussion tasked the commission and European parliament with taking "the necessary steps to ensure that the agreement can enter into force on November 1".

But a senior EU official said that the leaders would follow events on Saturday, and reflect on the next steps if they were in a "different situation".

Alexa, wut does that mean?
[Juncker] told reporters he was "ruling out" a prolongation, chile, but the issue is solely the ["]remit["] of the EU heads of state ["]and government["]. "If we have a deal, we have a deal and there is no need for prolongation," he added

No other EU leader expressed the same view. One senior EU official told the Guardian of Juncker's ["]intervention["]: "It is fake news."

NEW! flow chart. Places everyone!

< wipes tears >

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by Cat on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 06:42:57 PM EST
Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 04:41:55 AM EST



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 08:07:38 PM EST
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Macron against Brexit extension as Merkel keeps option open, 18 Oct

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Oct 20th, 2019 at 04:59:50 AM EST
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Sun Jan 27th, 2019 at 08:08:31 PM EST

Mon Nov 5th, 2018 at 09:53:51 PM EST


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by Cat on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 08:39:26 PM EST
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European Parliament President David Sassoli's speech to the European Council , 17 Oct
The full text is available here.
[...]
Brexit
"We welcome the agreement reached with the government of the United Kingdom. The European Parliament will examine closely the terms and substance of the agreement to verify that it is consistent with the interests of the European Union and its citizens. Parliament will continue to act with the sense of responsibility that we have shown to date."

BLOOMBERG | EU Shuts Down Talk of Fallback If Deal Defeated: Brexit Update, 17 Oct
[7:04 PM] A few countries wanted to talk about how EU leaders would respond if the U.K. Parliament rejects the deal in the vote expected on Saturday, according to one EU official. That discussion, however, was quickly shut down by others around the table, the official said. Most EU leaders are keen to avoid interfering with Johnson's domestic battles -- either by increasing pressure on undecided lawmakers, or by offering them a way out via an extension.
[...]
[8:55 PM] It's unlikely the bloc's leaders would refuse a request for an extension if the U.K. seeks it, according to an EU official. There would need to be a reason such as an election or referendum, said the official, who added that they expect Johnson would campaign for the deal he's negotiated rather than a no-deal exit. An extension would require another summit, the official said.
ahhh, Guardian "source" identified.

archived
[President] David Sassoli unveiled the Brexit resolution, 16 Sep
"'The resolution says that if there is a no-deal departure, then that is entirely the responsibility of the United Kingdom,' he said."

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 10:03:29 PM EST
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ERG representatives will vote for the Johnson deal coming Saturday, separating themselves from the DUP position.

Rival unionists accuse DUP of catastrophic Brexit miscalculation

Robin Swann, leader of the Ulster Unionist party (UUP), said DUP blunders had paved the way to Northern Ireland being left on the "window ledge" of the union.

"It's an absolute disgrace ... this deal is worse than the one Theresa May brought forward at Chequers. It's awful. It would put a customs and regulatory border down the Irish Sea and annexes Northern Ireland from the rest of the United Kingdom."

Jim Allister, leader of the Traditional Unionist Voice party, called the deal - welcomed by the Irish government and Sinn Féin - a disaster that would put Northern Ireland in the Republic of Ireland's economic orbit, ensuring the union "slowly bleeds to death".

"The inescapable reality is that a permanent regulatory and customs border cutting us off from GB puts us in a waiting room for Irish unity with the door locked from the outside."

Many farmers and business owners, in contrast, welcomed a deal that would keep trade flowing and avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland. "What is good is that a deal is struck, we can move on to the more positive conversation about the future relationship and, regardless, Northern Ireland can continue to have tariff-free, quota-free access to both the UK and the EU's single market," said the Manufacturing Northern Ireland chief executive, Stephen Kelly.

Boris Johnson wanted Brexit deal 'at any cost' to avoid extension, says DUP | Belfast Telegraph |

The DUP has accused Prime Minister Boris Johnson of agreeing to the EU's demands on a Brexit deal to avoid having to ask for an extension.

Deputy leader Nigel Dodds accused Mr Johnson of losing his nerve, saying that the PM could have got a better deal in Brussels given more time.

He said Mr Johnson had been "too eager by far" to come to an accommodation "at any cost" with the EU.

His comments came as DUP leader Arlene Foster accused London, Brussels and Dublin of turning their back on the power sharing arrangements that form the cornerstone of the Good Friday/Belfast peace agreement.

The DUP leader said allowing Stormont to vote on retaining the arrangements on the basis of a simple majority vote, rather than using the mechanism that requires a majority of unionists and nationalists, undermined the principle of power sharing.

    "For the first time in 21 years we are moving away from power sharing, we are moving away from the majority of unionism and the majority of nationalists, we are moving to single majority vote."

Ms Foster said it would represent a fundamental change to the 1998 Northern Ireland Act that enshrined the peace treaty.



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by Oui on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 08:16:47 PM EST
from 31 Oct, as hunger intensifies in NI, the chieftains will be sharpening knives and quibbling over who will take the hind and who will take the ribs.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 08:43:19 PM EST
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by Oui on Thu Oct 17th, 2019 at 11:06:39 PM EST
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This is what happens when you let the DUPes into the sandbox: They treat it as a cat would.
by rifek on Fri Oct 18th, 2019 at 06:35:07 PM EST
More like what's left on the carpet after inviting Boris into your living room. 😝

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by Oui on Fri Oct 18th, 2019 at 07:43:34 PM EST
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Perhaps you are thinking of Mike Pence?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Oct 18th, 2019 at 07:50:10 PM EST
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Close friendship ... similar habits ... same moral values ... crappy capitalists! 🥺

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by Oui on Fri Oct 18th, 2019 at 08:00:29 PM EST
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Perhaps you are thinking of Mike Pence?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Oct 18th, 2019 at 07:50:19 PM EST
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by generic on Fri Oct 18th, 2019 at 09:45:31 PM EST
DUP voted for Letwin amendment - result 322-306 ... thus it will be a SUPER TUESDAY!!

BORIS WILL NOT SEND LETTER TO REQUEST EXTENSION TO BRUSSELS

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by Oui on Sat Oct 19th, 2019 at 02:10:23 PM EST


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by Oui on Sat Oct 19th, 2019 at 02:27:47 PM EST
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BREAKING: Letter will be sent! 😎

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by Oui on Sat Oct 19th, 2019 at 07:28:26 PM EST
The prime minister will send a letter requesting an extension today, as required by the Benn Act, according to an EU official.

"Tusk will on that basis start consulting EU leaders on how to react. This may take a few days," the official added.

Indeprndent - Zamira Rahim  19 October 2019 20:22

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Oct 19th, 2019 at 07:43:49 PM EST
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In breach of Scottish Court of Sessions, the Benn act stipulates a letter for extension AND the intent to request such!  PM Johnson has defied the law and can be taken to court.

UK sends letters to EU for, and against, Brexit extension

The letter is a photocopy of a draft set out in UK law, Boris refused to sign the letter.

It may all be academic if the Brexiteers do succeed by Oct. 31st.

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by Oui on Sat Oct 19th, 2019 at 10:55:40 PM EST


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by Oui on Sat Oct 19th, 2019 at 11:04:56 PM EST
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(1) DALE VINCEOBE; (2)JOLYON MAUGHAM QC; and (3)JOANNA CHERRYQC MP v HRM BOJO, 7 Oct

JOLYON MAUGHAM (APPELLANT) for SUSPENSION AND INTERDICT, 18 Oct

[2] The interim orders sought by the petitioner were in the following terms: "(i)to suspend ad interim the purported agreement which is said by the United Kingdom government to have been concluded between it and the European Union and the United Kingdom government, on the basis that this agreement provides for Northern Ireland to form part of a separate customs territory to Great Britain; and

(ii)for interdict ad interim against Ministers of the Crown in right of the United Kingdom including the Prime Minster (and anybody acting on their behalf or at their request) from entering into arrangements under which Northern Ireland is to form part of a separate customs territory to Great Britain".
[...]
[26] For all these reasons, I conclude that the petitioner's applications for interim orders are misconceived and unjustified.  They have no or at best a weak prima facie case. The balance of convenience comes down firmly on the side of refusing to make the orders. I shall accordingly refuse the petitioner's motion insofar as it seeks interim orders.

[27] I shall order intimation and service of the petition and appoint answers to be lodged within 7 days.

Do y'all understand what's happening here? Maugham, Cherry et al. seek to enjoin entirely HoC approval of the Withdrawal Agreement as if the WA itself were illegal. O'Neil representing DUP; Moynihan QC representing IE;

Court is not poised to grant interdict, recognizing

The agreement would have been declared void and there would be nothing that could lawfully be laid before Parliament. The remedies soughtwould amount to a manifest interference with the proper processes and procedures of Parliament and would prevent legitimate debate in Parliament about the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement.
Besides MPs throwing "all Ireland" under the bus, because they cannot be shifted to depose HRM BoJo unless EU grants another extension (ending when hell freezes)

(1) Cherry (counsel) returns Mon, 21 Oct to amend pleading, answer Ct questions; and
(2) Cherry move in HoC for Bercow signature on the SCHEDULE FORM LETTER grasps at at a straw.

Despicable.

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by Cat on Sun Oct 20th, 2019 at 05:40:20 AM EST
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SCHEDULE FORM LETTER

You know, I have routinely posted a link to the legislation AND judgments which are silent on the issue of SCHEDULE FORM LETTER. They were all about prorogation, were they not? Yes.

< wipes tears >

I predicted he would send it (obey the law). What I could not predict was the stupidity of MPs, who had used the insane tabloids to forbid HRM BoJo a mysterious "second letter", sudden demand for a "second letter" --not stipulated in the "Benn act", upposedly arguing for an extension.

There is a possibility that the EU could grant a month-long "technical extension" until the end of November [!] in order to maintain pressure on the UK to rubber-stamp the deal.

Now they've got THREE < wipes tears > attesting to HoC's deliberate intransigence and intention to circumvent the one purpose of A.50(3) period. That is approve the WITHDRAWAL agreement(s) between PM(s) and EU Council.

When MPs get to UK courts are they going to argue that HRM BoJo has a duty to lie for the HoC?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Oct 20th, 2019 at 12:02:24 AM EST
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Tabloid explanation for Teh Letwin Amendment has let out the otherwise inexplicable need for HoC pass legislation conforming with the Withdrawal Act before ratification of the Withdrawal Agreement.

On what planet does any legislature do that, enact a treaty before ratifying it? Certainly not the U.S.A. ever. Maybe ...SUDAN?

Wellllllllll, it appears in the pleadings for interdiction in the Scottish Court of Sessions that a Mr. O'Neil claims just that among other things. HoC must first repeal or amend Section 55 of Taxation (Cross-Border Trade) Act 2018 to permit "duty free" NI.

Is this guy a plant by DUP?

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by Cat on Sun Oct 20th, 2019 at 01:03:50 AM EST
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Scottish court delays decision on extension lettet - power of "nobile officium"

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by Oui on Sun Oct 20th, 2019 at 01:15:21 AM EST
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< wipes tears >

1 signed Cover letter from Sir Tim Barrow (UK Permanent Representative to the EU*). 1p
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1 unsigned SCHEDULE FORM LETTER (Letter from the UK to the EU Council). 1p
+
1 signed Prime Minister's letter to President Donald Tusk: 19 October 2019. 2pp
=
THREE LETTERS
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designate of Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs D. Raab, portfolio Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) or Secretary. Really looking forward to an act of parliament designating "alternative arrangements" for the HoC secretary of state for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs before exercising that ol' FIXED-TERM PARLIAMENTS vote!


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by Cat on Sun Oct 20th, 2019 at 03:23:21 AM EST
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by Bernard on Sun Oct 20th, 2019 at 08:13:46 PM EST
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Little known fact: I was acquainted with an artist in NYC in the '90s who made some money and celebrity in this genre of "art production." Iké Udé, casual vanguard division of "world citizen" causes before that or wikiwtf pages were "a thing".

Eccentric in the flesh to say the least.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Oct 20th, 2019 at 08:52:15 PM EST
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at that time was the name of a thrilling night club.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Oct 20th, 2019 at 09:03:19 PM EST
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I have indicated this several times in the gentlest terms. EU cause of action to terminate consideration of A.50(3) has appeared every time HoC rejected the WA and A.50 revoke acts over the prior 7 months. UK "bad faith" and incompetence in execution of its duties to TEU is ... complete.

So.

If EU wants to carry that water in perpetuity, so be it.

archived rules? what rules?
A few first principles


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by Cat on Sun Oct 20th, 2019 at 08:39:23 PM EST
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Scottish judges delay ruling in Boris Johnson contempt of court case
Scottish judges have delayed a final ruling on whether Boris Johnson is in contempt of court to ensure he agrees to an extension to Brexit.

Lord Carloway, the country's most senior judge, said they needed to be sure the prime minister did not try to block or sabotage the application he was forced to make on Saturday night for an extension to Brexit until 31 January.

The court's decision, issued after a short hearing at the court of session in Edinburgh, means Johnson faces being held in contempt if judges rule he has failed to honour pledges made to court not to frustrate the extension process.



"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Oct 21st, 2019 at 03:38:23 PM EST


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