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Stop Blaming Outside Forces For Our Ills

by Oui Fri Dec 13th, 2019 at 12:46:12 PM EST

Perhaps I'm just from an older generation who experienced the Cold War rhetoric and propaganda and misinformation of all sides. The fall of the Iron Wall (ehh .. Curtain 😉) separating East and West gave many hope. The turn of events spurned by 9/11 brought war across the globe and a new role for NATO. That wasn't change for good. An expansive NATO brought US a New Cold War with the Russian Federal Republic.

The advances in Internet technology and the role of social media brings intrusion into our private lives, manipulation and political propaganda. The principles of Democracy and the U.S. Constitution have been undermined. The role of the United Nations to bring peace has been minimized.

To read this article in the Washington Monthly I fail to grasp its meaning. Has Russia become a preoccupation in policy of the Democratic Party ever since Election 2016? Have the pundits not moved on with their lives?

During the Cold War era, the CIA overrated the might of the Soviet Union in terms of its economy and military power. This was not unintentional as U.S. Congress kept funds growing for the Intelligence community and the military leadership in the Pentagon.

Recent reports released after FOIA requests makes clear nothing has changed in the American 21st Century.

Afghanistan Papers reveal US public were misled about unwinnable war

What's Behind the GOPs Misinformation Machine?

Believe me, it's an Inside Job of the Right-wing machine funded by the very rich Americans, a policy rooted in the days of Richard Nixon and Barry Goldwater. Don't put blame on Russia, Ukraine or Vladimir Putin.

The Brexit vote in June 2016 was a predictor for the Trump November surprise ... matters have gone from very bad to catastrophic in a mere three years.

A lot of soul searching ahead and may swing the Democratic primaries pendulum to the right .... question is how far?

by Oui on Fri Dec 13th, 2019 at 05:00:08 PM EST
by Oui on Fri Dec 13th, 2019 at 05:09:00 PM EST
I always found Jonathan Chait pretty toxic.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 at 07:23:35 AM EST
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One if many with a "grudge" on his shoulder for many years, getting "even" today. See analysis in The Guardian about the neglect of the North by London politics for many years. Workington seen as Youngstown in USA.

This Labour meltdown has been building for decades

Listening to voters from the North today, I wonder how much the impact of tabloids influenced the people as the talking points of right-wing media is repeated. Similar to Talk Radio and support for Trump and surge to the right in matter if a few years.

by Oui on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 at 09:29:52 AM EST
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Chakrabortty's piece is good, especially on this point:

In the 2017 election I wrote that a party that grew out of social institutions needed to turn itself into a social institution in precisely those areas it historically took for granted. That remains the key task: providing advice to those whose benefits are being slashed, legal support to tenants under the cosh from their landlords, haggling with the utilities to provide cheaper and better deals. Add to that: teaching political and economic literacy to voters, not just activists, and consulting constituents on what issues Labour should be battling on.

Quite right. A left-wing political party cannot just be a political party, as top-down as possible in fine Westminster tradition. Labour is and has been the latter.

Where I'm not so sure is his assumption that there is a "base":

[Labour] needs to renew its contract with its base

Since Thatcher, it's been four decades now (a whole "working" lifetime, a whole career!), during which regressive politics and the massive switch of economic activity to Asia have destroyed the old industrial working class. When there are no jobs, there are no unions, nothing to structure political awareness and belonging but tabloids and social network bullshit. Where exactly is the "base"? Atomised. Too much harm has been done. It may be too late to try to find out.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 at 10:41:25 AM EST
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Yes that is good. And it's being discussed.

The problem is the lack of quality people - both in the sense of being willing to volunteer in the first place, and in the sense of being able to do the job.

I know one of the Lab candidates (in a Tory area) and she says it's nearly impossible to get people to put a poster, never mind do more. I suspect that's not entirely typical, but in working class areas the only people who can afford to volunteer are likely to be either unemployed themselves, or already comfortably off.

If the party starts paying people to do these jobs, as a kind of substitute welfare state outpost, that might complicate the usual charitable status.

The underlying problem is that many people have no personal connection to politics and no sense that it affects their personal outcomes - except in the very crude sense that it may have something to do with how much tax they pay. Otherwise, they think it's something that happens on TV like a seasonal reality show. They don't understand the link between their personal circumstances, the point scoring in Parliament, and the talking heads on the news.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 at 03:02:05 PM EST
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Maybe. And maybe, like here in the USA, the "Left" is sensed by the working class to be preoccupied with helping big business and the poor, continually slashing working class benefits and blaming white working Americans for all of society's ills, yet expecting them to pull the (D) handle like robots.

When multi-millionaire candidates say that old age pensions must be cut or deferred, that minimum wage increases are bad for business ...

by StillInTheWilderness on Tue Dec 17th, 2019 at 05:42:04 PM EST
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The last years in UK Labour has been open warfare between the neoliberal wing of Labour and the left wing, with the left holding the upper hand thanks to Corbyn being party leader. Imagine if Sanders wins the primary and how establishment Democrats would act.

So there was finally a left program with real material benefits for the working class to choose, and yet the Tories won. Of course the Tories had the media and the money.

Sure, it's possible that the wolfs had been dressed as sheeps so long that when an actual sheep came along it wasn't recognised. And it's probably part of it - and a part a Sanders campaign would have to deal with - but one would think the civil war in Labour would give a clue.

by fjallstrom on Tue Dec 17th, 2019 at 08:24:41 PM EST
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Israel was founded on principles of Socialism ... building a new natron, on agriculture and the kibbutzim community. Many students and young people from a aross the Western world traveled to Israel in a show of solidarity.

Those times have long gone ... the immigration from former Soviet sattelite states changing the nation of Israel for the worse. The Yom Kippur war of June 1967 and the occupation of Palestinian territory  changed the face of Israel as a state and reflected on its citizens. Palestinian acts of terror and reprisals continued for decades until the present day.

US Neocon policy and military interventions over the same period transformed the Middle-East into an area of scorched Earth with over a million deaths.

Today's Ynet News article not found in a headline ...

Livni's final act of decency

    After 20 years, the former justice and foreign minister who came within reach of the Prime Minister's Office said goodbye to politics; and her tears were not only for herself, but for the Israeli condition.

    She was the last woman standing ...

    You do not have to be a left-winger to respect what Levni did. And if Israeli politics had not become so mired in the dirt (in which calling someone a leftist is the worst of all insults) it is possible that the right would also have good things to say about this direct, faithful politician who has walked about them for twenty years.


    Expressions such as the "peace process", "two states for two peoples", "political negotiations" and "a Jewish and democratic state" have all disappeared from Israel's national lexicon, and hearts have hardened against those who still believe there is a path to peace, or even a partner.

Related reading ...

From the Quiet Mutiny

Israel 1948 -- A Dispatch By RFK

Netanyahu Confirms Holocaust As Political Tool of Zionism

by Oui on Fri Dec 13th, 2019 at 07:27:04 PM EST
Retweet from a historical contact of mine where I studied for the priesthood when I was 13 yrs old, the age of my grandson today. Archdiocese of St. Louis ... remember the Rev Raymond Leo Burke, Episcopus Horribilis 😡

More on Judicial Watch ...

Larry Klayman, a conservative lawyer and head of Judicial Watch
List of Ten Most Corrupt Politicians | Judicial Watch - 2007 |

by Oui on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 at 09:49:55 PM EST
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Being filled with deep seated self-destructive impulses as I am, I remain a regular reader of Daily Kos. I have to agree, the obsession with Russia is bizarre. Were they involved in some shady stuff? Yes, surely. Were they propping up Trump's early campaign? Yes, surely. Do they have a bunch of annoying trolls hell-bent on destroying any chance of rational online discourse? Yes, but they're one of many.

All that stuff is bad ... but it didn't win the election for Trump. I've yet to see strong evidence to the effect that the various illegal ads actually pushed the needle anywhere -- just because people saw a thing online doesn't mean much, or I'd have a closetful of clothes appropriate for a young Asian woman. Online advertisers remain fundamentally confused about my demographic identity.

Trump rode white racist resentment to victory, and he's stoked the flames of white nationalism ever since. It's convenient to blame it on Russia, but Russia is a third-order factor at best. The real problem is that an electoral majority of America is spiteful and insane. THe real problem is that an electoral majority of America thinks a fascist dictatoryship would be great, and will volunteer for death squads in a heartbeat.

by Zwackus on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 at 12:37:23 AM EST
Historically, DKos has had a collection of "old Russia hands" who mercilessly harass anyone who crosses them.  That could be part of it.  And they went full Hilbot in 2016 and need an excuse.
by rifek on Tue Dec 17th, 2019 at 10:26:47 PM EST
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Unfortunely, craziness about Trump and the "Russians" went viral across all "progressive" "ponds" on the Internet fed by British military grade "misinformation". The old-guard at the CIA - Cold War warriors - were tied to the election theme of defeat: "It can't be stupidity of Clinton and the DNC ... let's feed the "Russians Did It" conspiracy ... the second coming of McCarthyism ... new generation of folks, should work out just fine.

It takes just an handful of agitators to turn hundreds of readers to belief that alt-right is not within us, it comes from damn commies.

Same fool's media snake oil to defeat Corbyn and all social progressives working for multilateralism and peace in the world, starting at home with more equality in society and healtcare for all.

Foreign policy formed under the Obama administration was a continuation of policy set by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Madeleine Albright. With two war hawks like Biden and Clinton, it led to an explosion of terror across Africa, from Libya,  Tunesia, Somalia and the Levant a across the Arab peninsula to Yemen. Set in motion a string of falling dominos that reached Europe by means of refugees, migration anguish, xenophobia, populism, right-wing strength, etc., etc.

Anna Chapman the spy would worked at Barclays

Remember her? She logged in @BooMan and I uncovered her false pretention within a matter of hours. 😄

Anna, Russian Spy Denied Entry by Booman

by Oui on Wed Dec 18th, 2019 at 01:19:46 PM EST
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Nord Stream 2 is 'hybrid weapon' aimed at EU, NATO: Polish PM Mateusz Morawiecky

Speaking at a meeting of NATO lawmakers in Warsaw, he said the controversial pipeline project, which is opposed by Poland and 'other countries', may "have far-reaching geopolitical consequences."

[Source: Poland Radio]

U.S. Senators voted 86-8 (!) on Tuesday to pass the $738 billion defence policy bill, sending it to President Trump's desk for his signature.

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by Oui on Wed Dec 18th, 2019 at 03:12:59 PM EST
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I think Europe is foolish to let Russia have a stranglehood over their energy.
I also think they would be foolish to let the USA or KSA (is there a difference?) have a stranglehold.

Europe needs to be energy independent to be politically independent. Germany seemed well on the way, then abandoned solar. Too expensive? Is freedom too expensive?

by StillInTheWilderness on Wed Dec 18th, 2019 at 05:59:43 PM EST
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by Oui on Fri Dec 20th, 2019 at 02:35:19 AM EST
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Paygo Pelosi has been saying that for years.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 at 01:28:00 AM EST

I foresee a long, long withdrawal period.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 at 02:33:06 AM EST
BBC confronts criticism of campaign bias by using the best right-wing defense tool: it's a conspiracy! How very fitting, isn't it? 🙃

BBC staff express fear of public distrust after election coverage | BBC News |

The BBC's director-general has expressed his exasperation with "conspiracy-theories" about ...

Tony Hall emailed staff of Friday to thank them for their work ...


intense online scrutiny followed criticism of editing out laughter aimed at Boris Johnson in a news bulletin, reporters uncritically repeating Conservative sources, such as when a Labour activist was erroneously accused of punching a Tory aide, and the Prime Minister escaping  scrutiny after dodging a one-on-one interview with Andrew Neil.

Previous coverage of using the "conspiracy" argument to obfuscate the topic ...

Samantha Powers' man Cass Sunstein, employed by the Obama administration:

Cass Sunstein, Adrian Vermeule, Obama, and Conspiracy Theories by Lisa Pease, blogger @BooMan

Related reading ...

Trust In Government Big Loser By Misinformation

by Oui on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 at 12:11:22 PM EST
intersectional integration success story

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 at 08:03:48 PM EST
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Maybe the current political situation is the result of a traditional pendulum swing between one view and another, eventually leading to war. Which would be bad.

However, it is a race now between us killing ourselves with guns and bombs and us killing ourselves with climate change. One possibility is that we will have a nice WW3 before the worse effects of climate change hit. Or, perhaps we will manage to defer war for a couple of more decades and then have a new excuse for not getting along. Something like mass starvation due to crop failure, or global epidemics due to mosquito habitat migration.

Interesting times.

by asdf on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 at 05:13:35 PM EST
One way or other, ecological balance will be restored.

Western colonialism was terrible. Stalin and Mao more blatantly so. A survival scramble would not look prettier, will out? On the other hand, reduced habitat capacity is what many other species going through now -- and not for the first time.

by das monde on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 at 07:57:59 PM EST
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Habitat of The Pendulum

Hark! MotherJones, founded to organized Labor against Capital, decries deforestation and vanishing bio-diversity of a free press without once mentioning the stewardship of Richard FLORIDA.
Bloomberg Just Bought CityLab--and Put Half Its Reporters Out of a Job

The staffers were informed that they each would have to interview with Bloomberg Media management this week to keep their jobs.
All very "AMZN of publishing", but what price will Richard FLORIDA pay for his neglect?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Dec 15th, 2019 at 01:39:36 AM EST
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by Oui on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 at 08:44:03 PM EST
.. the argument! 😏

by Oui on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 at 11:12:28 PM EST
< wipes tearss >
by Cat on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 at 11:42:54 PM EST
by Oui on Sat Dec 14th, 2019 at 11:58:06 PM EST
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5 Nov on the down low

6 Nov UPDATE Testa takes Senate seat, carries GOP running mates to Assembly wins in 1st District
The Republican Party appears to have swept up the New Jersey Senate and General Assembly seats in the 1st Legislative District, rejecting Democratic incumbents handpicked by Democratic U.S. Rep. Jeff Van Drew to continue his legacy.
14 Dec INNOVATION Facing Angry Local Dems, Anti-Impeachment Rep. May Switch To GOP
There's this thing about liars ...

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Dec 15th, 2019 at 01:01:21 AM EST
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The sixty Labour constituencies lost, voted Leave in the EU Referendum in 2016.

The 60 seats Labour lost in GE2019

Labour: The Internal Debate

by Oui on Sun Dec 15th, 2019 at 09:36:41 AM EST
It was all about Brexit. To no one's surprise.
by Bernard on Sun Dec 15th, 2019 at 05:08:06 PM EST
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How to blame Corbyn for a split Labour party ever since Tony Blair left ... or did he? Who was the big waffle (on payrol of George Soros to argue Remain?) ...

After years of division with Blairites, an expulsion game was in play with increased influence of Unions, new members and Momentum ...

A key reason for the scale of this defeat was the internal factional warfare prioritised by Momentum. For them, factional advantage was more important than getting into government and compromising with reality.

Responsibility for Labour's epic failure tests with those at the top

... the NEC decided to put sitting Labour MPs through a trigger proces ....

Created a lot of animosity during the summer as a general election loomed from the moment BoJo succeede May as Tory leader.

The whole Labour party was blinded by potential succes, failed to unite division and played a poor end game vs the Brexiteers in the House of Commons.

As far as Labour's "Red Wall", this was already crumbling during the Brexit campaign and EU referendum in 2016. In hindsight, the Labour gains of GE2017 were quite amazing. The Labour constituencies in the North had voted in high numbers for UKIP before ... selfishness, Nationalism, xenophobia were the elements that played a role. These issues didn't go away and it was easy for BoJo to claim "Get Brexit Done" to link the democratic proces of the referendum that the voice of the people need to be heard in London.

A tough line to sell .... Labour and Corbyn are the "establishment" that don't listen to  common folks. Indeed, the very basics of Trump's election campaign and victory in 2016.

by Oui on Mon Dec 16th, 2019 at 10:37:58 AM EST
by Oui on Mon Dec 16th, 2019 at 11:17:01 PM EST
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by Oui on Mon Dec 16th, 2019 at 02:09:19 PM EST

In the footsteps of his master Donald Trump representing the Red States of America ... progressives and liberals are considered Communists, Socialists and Leftists are traitors and "should be dealt with". De win for the Tories and BoJo is just a beginning ... Labour get your act together, there is no time for more infighting..

by Oui on Mon Dec 16th, 2019 at 02:17:12 PM EST

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by Oui on Mon Dec 16th, 2019 at 05:03:17 PM EST
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by Oui on Mon Dec 16th, 2019 at 09:08:59 PM EST
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"I'm high on the Israel Lobby's Enemy List. Israelis and pro-Israel Jews have employed almost every trick in the book to take us down: lawsuits, threats of lawsuits, cyber-hacking, censorship, so Irak media swarm reporting. The year 2019 was no exception."


by Oui on Tue Dec 17th, 2019 at 11:19:47 AM EST
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by Oui on Mon Dec 16th, 2019 at 05:06:01 PM EST
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by Oui on Mon Dec 16th, 2019 at 09:01:11 PM EST
Ridouan Taghi

Dubai Police arrests Ridouan Taghi, leader of Angels of Death gang in Holland

"He is wanted for crimes like murder and drug trafficking and was the leader of an organization called 'Angels of Death', which is one of the most serious criminal organizations in The Netherlands.

Dutch police commissioner Eric Akerboom thanked the UAE and Dubai Police for their help in tracing and apprehending Taghi

Dutch gangland figure arrested in Dubai for murders | The National - UAE |

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by Oui on Mon Dec 16th, 2019 at 10:48:03 PM EST

Bad publicity Dubai can do without when all focus is on World Event Expo 2020 ...

Dutch police were called to come and get top criminal Taghi without delay:

Suspected Dutch crime lord Ridouan Taghi arrives in the Netherlands after Dubai arrest | The National - UAE |

One of Europe's most wanted criminals arrived home in Holland on Thursday after being swiftly deported from Dubai.

Amid intense security, Dutch police flew the suspect on a chartered aircraft. He was transferred to the country's top security prison in Vught, one of the largest that deals with terrorists and murderers on life terms.

The process to return him to the Netherlands was expected to take months due to Holland not having an extradiction treaty with the UAE, but officials instead deported him to enable Dutch prosecutors to prepare him for one of the country's largest multiple murder cases which is due to commence in February.

It comes as Morocco also submitted an extradiction request for him - he is wanted there on suspicion of murdering a judge's son.

He wil now face the trial in the Netherlands in the Marengo murder case.

Related reading ...

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by Oui on Thu Dec 19th, 2019 at 10:47:06 AM EST
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Ridouan Taghi deported to the Netherlands | NL Times |

Top criminal Taghi made use of motercycle gang Caloh Wagoh ...

Murders committed by Caloh Wagoh were ordered by Ridouan Taghi: Prosecutor

The Public Prosecution Service in the Netherlands was also building a case connecting Taghi to motorcycle gang Caloh Wagoh, which may have committed assassinations at Taghi's behest.

by Oui on Thu Dec 19th, 2019 at 11:53:46 AM EST
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EBI in the southern city of Vught (province N-B)

by Oui on Thu Dec 19th, 2019 at 05:33:40 PM EST
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Astonishing ... or not really. The 1% is found out ... the secrecy within US Government, Intelligence and Pentagon is compared to the Universe ... without bounds.

About ...

An Ukrainian woman named "Anna" says Joseph Mifsud asked her to marry him in a restaurant overlooking the Kremlin ...

Carter Page @EuroTrib

On the Carter Page FISA applications  by Martin Longman at Progress Pond on July 22, 2018

"The FBI did not mislead the court about the dossier and they corrected a mistake in judgment they made to the court at their first opportunity."

First posted to a comment by Cat ...

FISA Court Judge Rosemary Collyer - Order Dec. 17, 2019

by Oui on Wed Dec 18th, 2019 at 04:43:42 PM EST
Rabbi Abraham Cooper is NOT Wiesenthal!!

Wiesenthal rejects effort to remove German UN envoy from anti-semitic list | JPost |

The listing of Heusgen "missed the mark and targets an honourable friend of Israel," Andreas Michaelis wrote.

Heusgen and his boss, foreign minister Heiko Maas, havenen under fire for nearly two years for voting against Israel at the UN. In March Heusgen compared the US and EU-designated terrorist organization Hamas with Israel.

The "Simon Wiesenthal Center" published its full list on Wednesday.

"Corbyn, violent anti-semitism in the US, Germany, Italy and France led the list."

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NYT & Patrick Lang Beating the War Drums ¶ Exacerbates Fear of Iran  by Oui @Booman on Jan. 14, 2006

Includes part: Turkey and EU reach out to Syria

by Oui on Wed Dec 18th, 2019 at 10:00:36 PM EST
by Oui on Wed Dec 18th, 2019 at 10:26:00 PM EST
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by Oui on Thu Dec 19th, 2019 at 08:16:31 AM EST
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by Oui on Thu Dec 19th, 2019 at 08:18:48 AM EST
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Hezbollah-backed professor to form new Lebanese government | Ynet News |

    Lebanese president Michel Aoun asked a university professor and former education minister supported by the Hezbollah group to form a new government, breaking a weeks-long impasse amid nationswide mass protests against the country's political elite.


    In his first public address, Diab said he would work quickly to form a government that represents a wide array of people following consultations with political parties as well as representatives of the protest movement. He said he is committed to a reform plan and described the current situation as "critical and sensitive" and requiring exceptional efforts and collaboration.

    Support from the Iran-backed group guarantees a thorny path for any candidate, potentially inviting push-back from Western and Gulf nations that had supported the outgoing Saad Hariri, a Sunni leader.

Lebanese president asks Hassan Diab to form government

Lebanon's Saad Hariri says he does not want to be next PM | Al Jazeera - Nov. 20, 2019

by Oui on Thu Dec 19th, 2019 at 10:06:34 PM EST
News media:

The Boeing Starliner launched succesfully on its Atlas rocket from Florida ...

OK 👍
Next time using an ESA or Soyuz capsule and launch from Baikonur  Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan?

by Oui on Fri Dec 20th, 2019 at 07:32:03 PM EST

Boeing Starliner fails on test flight, astronaut capsule will return to Earth

by Oui on Fri Dec 20th, 2019 at 09:46:19 PM EST
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I have some more to write about prosperity theology, "religion" and politics soon ... "mindfulness" a Buddhist meditation gone awry to exploit stressed out employees by runaway Tech Capitalism.

by Oui on Tue Dec 24th, 2019 at 02:01:52 PM EST

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