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Labour's North South Dilemma Unsolved

by Oui Thu Dec 19th, 2019 at 03:19:07 PM EST

Most Labour MPs broadly in the news after the Big Defeat don't realize they are part of the problem, not the solution to rebuild party unity.

One MP in particular who caught my attention was Mrs Emily Thornberry of a Remain constituency in London. She too was one of many Labour MPs who had warned of the coming election disaster. I begin to understand the mission impossible of Labour and its leader Corbyn to attain an election surprise against all odds.

A much better story I read about Labour's North and their anguish over decades. They put all hope in leaving the European Union hoping the attention in London would finally turn to the mining and manufacturing communities that had been Labour's power base.

More below the fold ...


Labour's Jon Trickett 'warned party of risk in ignoring northern vote'

Trickett and his shadow colleague Ian Lavery collaborated on a 36-page study called Northern Discomfort ...

[Driving a stake through Corbyn's heart none other than "you can buy me" Tony Blair ...]

    "This is not about Jeremy Corbyn as a person, I have no doubt he is someone of deeply held and sincere beliefs, who stayed true to them under harsh attack.

    But politically, people saw him as fundametally opposing what Britain and Western societies stand for. He personified an idea, a brand of quasi revolutionary socialism, mixing far left economic policy with deep hostility to Western foreign policy which never has appealed to traditional Labour voters, never will appeal and represented for them a combination of misguided ideology and terminal ineptitude that they found insulting."

    [Source: Tony Blair Institute for Global Change - Access Denied]

MP Thornberry: Labour senior advisers should pay price for defeat

Leadership candidate days it is ísad' that junior staff are facing lay-offs while top team stays on.

The shadow foreign secretary called for a different approach amid anger among Labour employees that two senior figures, Seumas Milne and Karie Murphy, are still on their posts.

On ITV's Peston programme Thornberry said: "It does seem to me that if decisions have been made, wrongly, it should be those people who pay the price and not those that are working night and day in junior positions."

Milne is Jeremy Corbyn's director of communications and strategy, and Murphy was Corbyn's chief of staff before she moved to Labour HQ to run  the election campaign.

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All the attention ... yet British politics still broken!



Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Thu Dec 19th, 2019 at 10:13:36 PM EST


Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Thu Dec 19th, 2019 at 11:21:22 PM EST


Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Thu Dec 19th, 2019 at 11:28:03 PM EST


Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Fri Dec 20th, 2019 at 12:11:18 AM EST
Democratic debate to proceed after labor agreement reached, 17 Dec
The Democrats' next primary debate will proceed as scheduled this week, the Democratic National Committee announced Tuesday, after the party stepped in to help arrange a settlement to a labor dispute that had threatened the forum.

DNC Chairman Tom Perez said in a statement that he helped "bring all stakeholders to the table ... to reach a deal that meets their needs and supports workers."

What are their needs?
It had been in negotiations with Sodexo since March for a collective bargaining agreement without reaching a resolution, and workers began picketing in November over the issue.

Perez, a former labor secretary under President Barack Obama, had expressed support for the candidates' decisions not to cross the picket line and personally stepped in to help broker an agreement and avoid canceling the debate.

by Cat on Fri Dec 20th, 2019 at 12:46:17 AM EST
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Labour was in serious trouble when they lost Scotland to the SNP.

Then it turned out the UK electorate wanted Brexit more than they wanted a functioning economy and health care.

Lessons to be Learned:  

Part A: screwing the people that kept you in power is really dumb

Part II: a well crafted propaganda campaign beats reasoned argument every time

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri Dec 20th, 2019 at 05:37:45 PM EST
Lippmann, Public Opinion, "IV. Time and Attention" (19210
2. Great men, even during their lifetime, are usually known to the public only through a fictitious personality. Hence the modicum of truth in the old saying that no man is a hero to his valet. There is only a modicum of truth, for the valet, and the private secretary, are often immersed in the fiction themselves. Royal personages are, of course, constructed personalities. Whether they themselves believe in their public character, or whether they merely permit the chamberlain to stage-manage it, there are at least two distinct selves, the public and regal self, the private and human. The biographies of great people fall more or less readily into the histories of these two selves. The official biographer reproduces the public life, the revealing memoir the other. The Charnwood Lincoln, for example, is a noble portrait, not of an actual human being, but of an epic figure, replete with significance, who moves on much the same level of reality as Aeneas or St. George. Oliver's Hamilton is a majestic abstraction, the sculpture of an idea, "an essay" as Mr. Oliver himself calls it, "on American union." It is a formal monument to the state-craft of federalism, hardly the biography of a person. Sometimes people create their own facade when they think they are revealing the interior scene. The Repington diaries and Margot Asquith's are a species of self-portraiture in which the intimate detail is most revealing as an index of how the authors like to think about themselves.
3. [...]In all these instances we must note particularly one common factor. It is the insertion between man and his environment of a pseudo-environment. To that pseudo-environment his behavior is a response. But because it is behavior, the consequences, if they are acts, operate not in the pseudo-environment where the behavior is stimulated, but in the real environment where action eventuates. If the behavior is not a practical act, but what we call roughly thought and emotion, it may be a long time before there is any noticeable break in the texture of the fictitious world. But when the stimulus of the pseudo-fact results in action on things or other people, contradiction soon develops. Then comes the sensation of butting one's head against a stone wall, of learning by experience, and witnessing Herbert Spencer's tragedy of the murder of a Beautiful Theory by a Gang of Brutal Facts, the discomfort in short of a maladjustment. For certainly, at the level of social life, what is called the adjustment of man to his environment takes place through the medium of fictions.

By fictions I do not mean lies. I mean a representation of the environment which is in lesser or greater degree made by man himself. The range of fiction extends all the way from complete hallucination to the scientists' perfectly self-conscious use of a schematic model, or his decision that for his particular problem accuracy beyond a certain number of decimal places is not important. A work of fiction may have almost any degree of fidelity, and so long as the degree of fidelity can be taken into account, fiction is not misleading. In fact, human culture is very largely the selection, the rearrangement, the tracing of patterns upon, and the stylizing of, what William James called "the random irradiations and resettlements of our ideas." [Footnote: James, Principles of Psychology, Vol. II, p. 638] The alternative to the use of fictions is direct exposure to the ebb and flow of sensation. That is not a real alternative, for however refreshing it is to see at times with a perfectly innocent eye, innocence itself is not wisdom, though a source and corrective of wisdom. For the real environment is altogether too big, too complex, and too fleeting for direct acquaintance. We are not equipped to deal with so much subtlety, so much variety, so many permutations and combinations. And although we have to act in that environment, we have to reconstruct it on a simpler model before we can manage with it. To traverse the world men must have maps of the world. Their persistent difficulty is to secure maps on which their own need, or someone else's need, has not sketched in the coast of Bohemia.

bounded rationality
6. [...] Try to explain social life as the pursuit of pleasure and the avoidance of pain. You will soon be saying that the hedonist begs the question, for even supposing that man does pursue these ends, the crucial problem of why he thinks one course rather than another likely to produce pleasure, is untouched. Does the guidance of man's conscience explain? How then does he happen to have the particular conscience which he has? The theory of economic self-interest? But how do men come to conceive their interest in one way rather than another? The desire for security, or prestige, or domination, or what is vaguely called self-realization? How do men conceive their security, what do they consider prestige, how do they figure out the means of domination, or what is the notion of self which they wish to realize? Pleasure, pain, conscience, acquisition, protection, enhancement, mastery, are undoubtedly names for some of the ways people act. There may be instinctive dispositions which work toward such ends. But no statement of the end, or any description of the tendencies to seek it, can explain the behavior which results. The very fact that men theorize at all is proof that their pseudo-environments, their interior representations of the world, are a determining element in thought, feeling, and action. For if the connection between reality and human response were direct and immediate, rather than indirect and inferred, indecision and failure would be unknown, and (if each of us fitted as snugly into the world as the child in the womb), Mr. Bernard Shaw would not have been able to say that except for the first nine months of its existence no human being manages its affairs as well as a plant.
a famous boundary
9. [...] A questionnaire was sent by Hotchkiss and Franken to 1761 men and women college students in New York City, and answers came from all but a few. Scott used a questionnaire on four thousand prominent business and professional men in Chicago and received replies from twenty-three hundred. Between seventy and seventy-five percent of all those who replied to either inquiry thought they spent a quarter of an hour a day reading newspapers. Only four percent of the Chicago group guessed at less than this and twenty-five percent guessed at more. Among the New Yorkers a little over eight percent figured their newspaper reading at less than fifteen minutes, and seventeen and a half at more.
of fame
by Cat on Sat Dec 21st, 2019 at 03:34:41 AM EST
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NB: popcorn ["I see corn everywhere"] political education. Strange? No. The episodic narrative of death is ... foregone conclusion, - 15 min.
by Cat on Sat Dec 21st, 2019 at 03:52:10 AM EST
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by Cat on Sat Dec 21st, 2019 at 04:07:56 AM EST
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